U.S. bugged EU offices.

Calling for blood is barbaric. We will see the repercussions soon enough.BranKetra

Snowden has stated that he has documents (possibly on one of the laptops he's supposed to have with him) with the names of intelligence assets in hostile nations. Revealing those names will get them (and potentially their families) killed. If killing Snowden saves those people from dying, the PR damage control will be a bargain.

I'm kind of hoping they catch Snowden. Yes, the NSA did all kinds of bad sh*t but they also did a lot of necessary counter-intelligence on China. Now that Snowden has leaked that information, the US is in a sincerely compromised position.

JustBeYourself

Please:roll: The US is far more corrupt than china has ever been and this man has simply shown the world the tip of the iceberg on how corrupt they are.

The country is only compromised by the fact they've been found out doin the bad things they shouldn't be.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] Calling for blood is barbaric. We will see the repercussions soon enough.OrkHammer007

Snowden has stated that he has documents (possibly on one of the laptops he's supposed to have with him) with the names of intelligence assets in hostile nations. Revealing those names will get them (and potentially their families) killed. If killing Snowden saves those people from dying, the PR damage control will be a bargain.

Please:roll: The US is far more corrupt than china has ever been and this man has simply shown the world the tip of the iceberg on how corrupt they are.

The country is only compromised by the fact they've been found out doin the bad things they shouldn't be.

l34052

Here are some names for you sir

Huang Qi

Gao Zhisheng

Chen Pokong

Tan Zuoren

Read on them, and if you still believe China isn't more corrupt than the US.....Than man up and shut up.

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] Calling for blood is barbaric. We will see the repercussions soon enough.Ace6301

Snowden has stated that he has documents (possibly on one of the laptops he's supposed to have with him) with the names of intelligence assets in hostile nations. Revealing those names will get them (and potentially their families) killed. If killing Snowden saves those people from dying, the PR damage control will be a bargain.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]I'm calling for the assassination of one person so the blood of many people and their families isn't spilled. Barbaric? Probably. Practical? Hell yes.

Snowden has stated that he has documents (possibly on one of the laptops he's supposed to have with him) with the names of intelligence assets in hostile nations. Revealing those names will get them (and potentially their families) killed. If killing Snowden saves those people from dying, the PR damage control will be a bargain.

OrkHammer007

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] I wonder how you'd treat him if he was from Iran or North Korea and was doing similar things?Ace6301

If Snowden was from Canada, would you still be cheering him on? I doubt it.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]If I was from NK or Iran, and he was ratting out my countrymen, I'd be saying the same thing.

OrkHammer007

If Snowden was from Canada, would you still be cheering him on? I doubt it.

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] If you were still yourself and Snowden was instead ratting out NK, Iran or China how would you feel?Ace6301

If Snowden was from Canada, would you still be cheering him on? I doubt it.

Snowden has gone from whistleblower to traitor territory.BMD004

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]If someone were to defect to the US with sensitive info, I'd absolutely welcome them with open arms because they aren't my traitor, they're someone else's. I'd also fully expect their parnet nation to try to capture or kill them (much like the KGB did to Trotsky or Litvinenko), and be angry when they did. I see no problem with that.

If Snowden was from Canada, would you still be cheering him on? I doubt it.

TheWalkingGhost

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] If you were still yourself and Snowden was instead ratting out NK, Iran or China how would you feel?Ace6301

If Snowden was from Canada, would you still be cheering him on? I doubt it.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]If someone were to defect to the US with sensitive info, I'd absolutely welcome them with open arms because they aren't my traitor, they're someone else's. I'd also fully expect their parnet nation to try to capture or kill them (much like the KGB did to Trotsky or Litvinenko), and be angry when they did. I see no problem with that.

If Snowden was from Canada, would you still be cheering him on? I doubt it.

LJS9502_basic

If you got caught cheating on your partner because a trusted friend informed him/her that you were going behind their back do you blame the friend or yourself?Ace6301

He outed that the US was going behind the backs of everyone, including its own countrymen. If my country was spying on me I'd very much like it to be outed for it.Ace6301

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] If you got caught cheating on your partner because a trusted friend informed him/her that you were going behind their back do you blame the friend or yourself?TheWalkingGhost

He outed that the US was going behind the backs of everyone, including its own countrymen. If my country was spying on me I'd very much like it to be outed for it.Ace6301

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Dude.....you lost it.:(LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] If you got caught cheating on your partner because a trusted friend informed him/her that you were going behind their back do you blame the friend or yourself?Ace6301

He outed that the US was going behind the backs of everyone, including its own countrymen. If my country was spying on me I'd very much like it to be outed for it.Ace6301

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]He didn't out anybody, most of US already knew the government was spying on us. What he did damaged relations with other nations, leaked information terrorists can use to get around US methods and he has information on covert ops that could put peoples lives at risk. Not seeing the good.TheWalkingGhost

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]He outed that the US was going behind the backs of everyone, including its own countrymen. If my country was spying on me I'd very much like it to be outed for it.TheWalkingGhost

Sure I knew. But I am sure am glad I have confirmation.

Can't see the bad in it frankly.

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]He outed that the US was going behind the backs of everyone, including its own countrymen. If my country was spying on me I'd very much like it to be outed for it.m0zart

Sure I knew. But I am sure am glad I have confirmation.

Can't see the bad in it frankly.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Oh for f*cks sake. If anyone is stupid enough not to know what is disseminated publicly can be seen...they are a fool. As for phone conversations.....they still need a judge to sign off to listen. This hysteria is ridiculous.LJS9502_basic

You can't see the bad in putting lives at risk.:|LJS9502_basic

Nope... not really, and certainly not in comparison with the good that is done by allowing us to know, point blank and without debate, that we are in fact being spied on and that it is being done without the involvement of a single Court.

HEis not a good troll. It surprised me how people fall for that routine.LJS9502_basic

and won't respond to you any further in any thread TheWalkingGhost

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You can't see the bad in putting lives at risk.:|m0zart

Nope... not really, and certainly not in comparison with the good that is done by allowing us to know, point blank and without debate, that we are in fact being spied on and that it is being done without the involvement of a single Court.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You can't see the bad in putting lives at risk.:|m0zart

Nope... not really, and certainly not in comparison with the good that is done by allowing us to know, point blank and without debate, that we are in fact being spied on and that it is being done without the involvement of a single Court.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]If someone were to defect to the US with sensitive info, I'd absolutely welcome them with open arms because they aren't my traitor, they're someone else's. I'd also fully expect their parnet nation to try to capture or kill them (much like the KGB did to Trotsky or Litvinenko), and be angry when they did. I see no problem with that.

If Snowden was from Canada, would you still be cheering him on? I doubt it.

TheWalkingGhost

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]He outed that the US was going behind the backs of everyone, including its own countrymen. If my country was spying on me I'd very much like it to be outed for it.m0zart

Sure I knew. But I am sure am glad I have confirmation.

Can't see the bad in it frankly.

Looks like the European spies in the US haven't been discovered yet.

Good....
Good.

Would be cool to see an all out war between the EU and USA. No nukes allowed, just ground assaults and dogfights

Would be cool to see an all out war between the EU and USA. No nukes allowed, just ground assaults and dogfights

HyperWarlock

[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

Would be cool to see an all out war between the EU and USA. No nukes allowed, just ground assaults and dogfights

EmpCom

I said it would be cool to see, I didn't say the outcome/implications would be cool.

[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

Would be cool to see an all out war between the EU and USA. No nukes allowed, just ground assaults and dogfights

HyperWarlock

I said it would be cool to see, I didn't say the outcome/implications would be cool.

How does Snowden have so much information on him?

Would be cool to see an all out war between the EU and USA. No nukes allowed, just ground assaults and dogfights

HyperWarlock

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

We've effectively spit in our allies faces. It can only go down hill from here.

Hexagon_777

Only Canada, Australia, Britain and New Zealand were explicitly exempted from spy attacks.Reuters

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] If you were still yourself and Snowden was instead ratting out NK, Iran or China how would you feel?Ace6301

If Snowden was from Canada, would you still be cheering him on? I doubt it.

However, he took it one step further and a.) Told the foreign press about the program, and b.) showed Germany documents showing that we were spying on everyone (something you are not supposed to know about, even if you "know" about it). This has seriously damaged foreign diplomatic relations, and will likely cause the US to change agents, communication protocols, etc. That's not my idea of "doing us a favor."

If Snowden had proved that Canada was spying on EU offices, would you so casually remark that he did Canada a favor? I'm sure the US wouldn't think so.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]All countries "spy" if you want to use that word...well those with the capability. Like those in the EU.m0zart

It's a big enough deal that we jail and sometimes execute folks for doing it. Hell, we're trying to get Snowden right now for doing "what everybody does". It's weird to me how some are arguing that the US isn't so bad for spying while they're trying to crucify someone for... spying.