What do you guys think about Islam in France?

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]I'm rather alarmed at the growth of Islam throughout the world, not just America. When Muslims are in the vast majority, I'm fairly certain that freedom of religion goes out the door. Pixel-Pirate

The same can be said of any one religion being the vast majority of the world.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]I'm rather alarmed at the growth of Islam throughout the world, not just America. When Muslims are in the vast majority, I'm fairly certain that freedom of religion goes out the door. Head_of_games

The same can be said of any one religion being the vast majority of the world.

Quite a few main stream religions garuntee eternal suffering for non-believers.

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

The same can be said of any one religion being the vast majority of the world.

Quite a few main stream religions garuntee eternal suffering for non-believers.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"] I'm pretty sure that most Religion's holy-books are much kinder on non-believers than the Koran is. But, to quote Jaydoughs sig, "I could be wrong though."Head_of_games

Quite a few main stream religions garuntee eternal suffering for non-believers.

If I believe 100% in an afterlife, I'd take a threat on my immortal soul and my conciousness for eternity to be far far more serious than my living mortal body.

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Quite a few main stream religions garuntee eternal suffering for non-believers.

Pixel-Pirate

If I believe 100% in an afterlife, I'd take a threat on my immortal soul and my conciousness for eternity to be far far more serious than my living mortal body.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"] I'm pretty sure that most Religion's holy-books are much kinder on non-believers than the Koran is. But, to quote Jaydoughs sig, "I could be wrong though."Head_of_games

Quite a few main stream religions garuntee eternal suffering for non-believers.

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Quite a few main stream religions garuntee eternal suffering for non-believers.

If I believe 100% in an afterlife, I'd take a threat on my immortal soul and my conciousness for eternity to be far far more serious than my living mortal body.

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Quite a few main stream religions garuntee eternal suffering for non-believers.

SaudiFury

If Muslims want to practice their faith there, I say let them. Makes no difference to me.

ObeseBanana

but Muslims keep immigrating into America, and Canada as well. and they're building more mosques as well.

in fact the first Muslim college opened up (as far as i know) for the West called Zaytuna College in California.

I can't tell if it's Europe's inability to emulate America's style of cultural integration, or if it's classical xenophobia playing a role here. and last time i checked France has been wanting to be a (i forget the word...) essentially a purely secular state. and even then...

when they banned the niqab the number of Muslim women who wore it is incredibly small in relation to the Muslim community at large. not to mention that the final number of how many people are Muslims is also disputed. I mean in America i hear the number is between 4 million or 8 million, depending on who'se sources you go by. even then.. considering for France i've read the number of Muslims in France ranges between 4% to 10% of the population.

Rather then fretting over the religion by banning what Muslims think is religious garb (speaking specifically of the niqab not the hijab), I would argue France and Europe to find a way to better integrate Muslims into European culture. find Imam's that promote liberal values in the religion and elevate them as role models.

If Europe wants to call itself free states that is also open to immigration, but is also worried about losing it's identity i'd suggest two answers.

1. Find a way to integrate Muslims into the community, not by segregating them or verbally/poltiically marginalizing them. Give them a stake and a reason to give a damn about their new homelands. promote the virtues of classical liberalism and the reason why it makes countries like France better. While resisting Shariah law in all it's forms.

or

2. Close your borders and have more native French babies..

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I know Europe has more roots and longer (and bloodier) history with Christianity then America does. and that America - from the it's very inception - is a land of immigrants, where people may call it a Christian nation but in fact is a nation for all people not for any one specific faith.

As long as Muslims don't bring along the...unsavory aspects of their culture, I have no problem at all with them coming to the West.

As long as Muslims don't bring along the...unsavory aspects of their culture, I have no problem at all with them coming to the West.

SgtKevali

OT seems to be more intolerate day by day. Where are all these irrational fears coming from? Why is there such a fear of that which is not like you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJmZAqCxjI0&feature=related

They block roads to pray. Illegaly.

i hate islam its a cult,i know since i used to be a muslim

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

As long as Muslims don't bring along the...unsavory aspects of their culture, I have no problem at all with them coming to the West.

sonicare

i think we can all agree on that

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="fooZar777"]

It's very concerning. In our country there's fairly many Muslim immigrants, but they integrate into the society very easy and don't practice islam, or drop it altogether.

LJS9502_basic

Why should they drop their religion? :|

i hate islam its a cult,i know since i used to be a muslim

Vader993

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

As long as Muslims don't bring along the...unsavory aspects of their culture, I have no problem at all with them coming to the West.

sonicare

... I could care lesssSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

As long as Muslims don't bring along the...unsavory aspects of their culture, I have no problem at all with them coming to the West.

Good-Apollo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]... I could care lessWHATWHATISIT

Why does it matter? As long as a secular society is upheld, and the laws stay the same.. It seems to me the people to be angry at are the law enforcement and political people who are not willing to uphold the law..

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]... I could care lesssSubZerOo

Why does it matter? As long as a secular society is upheld, and the laws stay the same.. It seems to me the people to be angry at are the law enforcement and political people who are not willing to uphold the law..

[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]"Other examples of discrimination against Muslims include the desecration of 148 French Muslim graves near Arras. A pig's head was hung from a headstone and profanities insulting Islam and Muslims were daubed on some graves. Destruction and vandalism of Muslim graves in France were seen as Islamophobic by a report of the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia. A number of mosques have also been vandalized in France." According to the Wikipedia article...Wow..WHATWHATISIT

[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]"Other examples of discrimination against Muslims include the desecration of 148 French Muslim graves near Arras. A pig's head was hung from a headstone and profanities insulting Islam and Muslims were daubed on some graves. Destruction and vandalism of Muslim graves in France were seen as Islamophobic by a report of the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia. A number of mosques have also been vandalized in France." According to the Wikipedia article...Wow..WHATWHATISIT

Ah the whole "they have done worse so it justifies my actions" route.

Does it matter? This is like asking how I feel about Christian people who live in Beverly Hills.flash_drive

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"][QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]"Other examples of discrimination against Muslims include the desecration of 148 French Muslim graves near Arras. A pig's head was hung from a headstone and profanities insulting Islam and Muslims were daubed on some graves. Destruction and vandalism of Muslim graves in France were seen as Islamophobic by a report of the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia. A number of mosques have also been vandalized in France." According to the Wikipedia article...Wow..Espada12

Ah the whole "they have done worse so it justifies my actions" route.

Where did I state or imply that the vandalism of Muslim property is justified?WHATWHATISIT

Why bring up what other Muslims have done then? If not attempting to justify or downplaying the actions of those who committed the vandalism?

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"]

Where did I state or imply that the vandalism of Muslim property is justified?Espada12

Why bring up what other Muslims have done then? If not attempting to justify or downplaying the actions of those who committed the vandalism?

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"]

Where did I state or imply that the vandalism of Muslim property is justified?WHATWHATISIT

Why bring up what other Muslims have done then? If not attempting to justify or downplaying the actions of those who committed the vandalism?

I don't see how they are trying to act like victims from that article. People are merely giving facts.

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Why bring up what other Muslims have done then? If not attempting to justify or downplaying the actions of those who committed the vandalism?

Espada12

I don't see how they are trying to act like victims from that article. People are merely giving facts.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"]

Where did I state or imply that the vandalism of Muslim property is justified?WHATWHATISIT

Why bring up what other Muslims have done then? If not attempting to justify or downplaying the actions of those who committed the vandalism?

In that case they are victims.

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Why bring up what other Muslims have done then? If not attempting to justify or downplaying the actions of those who committed the vandalism?

Pixel-Pirate

In that case they are victims.

I heard it's getting pretty bad over there. Towns that have gone fully Islam, etc. Glad I live in the states :P.

I heard it's getting pretty bad over there. Towns that have gone fully Islam, etc. Glad I live in the states :P.

nooblet69

You can find similar situations in the states.

I heard it's getting pretty bad over there. Towns that have gone fully Islam, etc. Glad I live in the states :P.

nooblet69

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"]I brought it up because it irks me when adherents of the world's most repressive, theocratic religion try to act like they're the victims.WHATWHATISIT

In that case they are victims.

Because there are people having their grave sites defaced and their places of worship vandalized yet they haven't done anything.

Thats kind of the definition of victim.

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

In that case they are victims.

Pixel-Pirate

Because there are people having their grave sites defaced and their places of worship vandalized yet they haven't done anything.

Thats kind of the definition of victim.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"]How so?WHATWHATISIT

Because there are people having their grave sites defaced and their places of worship vandalized yet they haven't done anything.

Thats kind of the definition of victim.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"]How so?WHATWHATISIT

Because there are people having their grave sites defaced and their places of worship vandalized yet they haven't done anything.

Thats kind of the definition of victim.

Yeah good job pretending to know what Islam is really about.krazy-blazer

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] I could understand Muslim culture being replaced. I mean, many Muslims want out of their own countries, though it confuses me when they want to bring their culture with them.SolidSnake35

I don't know of many Turkish people moving here. If Turkey is a leading example of Muslim culture, though, perhaps the Muslims coming to Britain should go there instead.

very overlooked quote, I'd say!