What do you guys think about Islam in France?

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"]How so?WHATWHATISIT

Because there are people having their grave sites defaced and their places of worship vandalized yet they haven't done anything.

Thats kind of the definition of victim.

I assume you hate every religion. As most of them do that and have irrational and repressive beliefs.

You also assume all Muslims 100% follow everything in the quran.

[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]Yeah good job pretending to know what Islam is really about.WHATWHATISIT

I don't usually do this but I honest to God laughed out loud. No joke.

What do you propose we do? Ban the religion of a billion people? Start a holy war against islam? What is your plan?

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Because there are people having their grave sites defaced and their places of worship vandalized yet they haven't done anything.

Thats kind of the definition of victim.

Pixel-Pirate

I assume you hate every religion. As most of them do that and have irrational and repressive beliefs.

You also assume all Muslims 100% follow everything in the quran.

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"][QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]Yeah good job pretending to know what Islam is really about.Pixel-Pirate

I don't usually do this but I honest to God laughed out loud. No joke.

What do you propose we do? Ban the religion of a billion people? Start a holy war against islam? What is your plan?

[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]Yeah good job pretending to know what Islam is really about.WHATWHATISIT

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"]Anyone who follows a creed whereby they want their irrational, repressive, dangerous beliefs forced upon every man, woman and child in the entire world nullifies their right to play the victim, as far as I'm concerned.WHATWHATISIT

I assume you hate every religion. As most of them do that and have irrational and repressive beliefs.

You also assume all Muslims 100% follow everything in the quran.

Christians do it all the time.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"]I know very well what Islam is really about. One doesn't have to read much of the Quran to feel the misogyny and the homophobia and the Jihadism and the repressive totalitarianism running through it. Islam is more than just a religion - it is a radical imperalist ideology whose final objective is the total subjugation of all of humanity under a brutal Muslim theocracy spanning the globe, it is the greatest threat to the civilised world today, and it must be stopped at all costs.WHATWHATISIT

I don't usually do this but I honest to God laughed out loud. No joke.

What do you propose we do? Ban the religion of a billion people? Start a holy war against islam? What is your plan?

That doesn't stop the "brutal repressive totalitarianistic religion" from harming people. It just stops them from getting into Europe.

Do we really think Islam is evil or do we just not want them in the country?

...whose final objective is the total subjugation of all of humanity under a brutal Muslim theocracy spanning the globe...WHATWHATISIT

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I assume you hate every religion. As most of them do that and have irrational and repressive beliefs.

You also assume all Muslims 100% follow everything in the quran.

Pixel-Pirate

Christians do it all the time.

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I don't usually do this but I honest to God laughed out loud. No joke.

What do you propose we do? Ban the religion of a billion people? Start a holy war against islam? What is your plan?

Pixel-Pirate

That doesn't stop the "brutal repressive totalitarianistic religion" from harming people. It just stops them from getting into Europe.

Do we really think Islam is evil or do we just not want them in the country?

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"]They believe the Quran is the word of God - are you suggesting that they ignore parts of what they believe is the word of God?WHATWHATISIT

Christians do it all the time.

Erm....Sorta, yeah...

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"]For a start, tighter immigration restrictions could slow down or reverse the increasing Islamisation of Europe.WHATWHATISIT

That doesn't stop the "brutal repressive totalitarianistic religion" from harming people. It just stops them from getting into Europe.

Do we really think Islam is evil or do we just not want them in the country?

No more than any other religion.

Religion is not evil. It's the people who pervert it to extremes.

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"]...whose final objective is the total subjugation of all of humanity under a brutal Muslim theocracy spanning the globe...ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

That doesn't stop the "brutal repressive totalitarianistic religion" from harming people. It just stops them from getting into Europe.

Do we really think Islam is evil or do we just not want them in the country?

Pixel-Pirate

No more than any other religion.

Religion is not evil. It's the people who pervert it to extremes.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"]...whose final objective is the total subjugation of all of humanity under a brutal Muslim theocracy spanning the globe...WHATWHATISIT

Notice how that verse mentions "enemies", and not innocent non-Muslims. No contradiction whatsoever.

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] "He who is conscious of God will enter Islam, and he who rejects is foolish" 87:9-10 Maybe it isn't apparent in the translation here, but these verses emphasizes on the fact that Muhammad was sent as a Prophet not to convert people to Islam, but rather to warn them. These verses mean that some people will enter Islam and some won't; there's nothing here that implies all of them must convert. "If God had willed, he would have made everyone Muslims" (forgot the surah and verse) But of course, that isn't the case. So that also proves my point.ghoklebutter

Noticw how that verse mentions "enemies", and not innocent non-Muslims.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"]I certainly think Islam is evil. Dunno about you.WHATWHATISIT

No more than any other religion.

Religion is not evil. It's the people who pervert it to extremes.

Though that quote is supposed to be humorous, it is essentially true.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"]How so? All it could mean is that God wants to give people some measure of free will about their religion. A peaceful interpretation of that verse is clearly incompatible with stuff like 8:60 'Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.'WHATWHATISIT

Noticw how that verse mentions "enemies", and not innocent non-Muslims.

You seem to be hearing what you want to hear.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"]How so? All it could mean is that God wants to give people some measure of free will about their religion. A peaceful interpretation of that verse is clearly incompatible with stuff like 8:60 'Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.'WHATWHATISIT

Noticw how that verse mentions "enemies", and not innocent non-Muslims.

nothing is wrong with any amount of Islam in any "western" country.

the only thing wrong is the mutual misunderstanding the two cultures have for eachother, and the resistance to meeting halfway.

I expected this thread to last a few hours. Its longevity is truly amusing.

Uh, it's not reasonable to assume from one usage that that usage applies to all other instances of a term.WHATWHATISIT

[QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"]Uh, it's not reasonable to assume from one usage that that usage applies to all other instances of a term.ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="WHATWHATISIT"]Uh, it's not reasonable to assume from one usage that that usage applies to all other instances of a term.WHATWHATISIT