Who else thinks that rap should not be considered music?

I would not call rap music, and I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a poetic art form, but I'll go ahead and agree with that part. I suppose it depends on a lot of things... I don't listen to rap at all, and I'm usually annoyed by it. However, if there is a decent message conveyed well, then I suppose you can call it a poetic art form.tsb247

If you don't listen to it, how can you possibly assert that it's not music?

[QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]I no what youre trying to get me to understand. You think im generalizing the whole genre of rap because of the mainstream rap like lil wayne. I just dont think that their is much rap that is good. You can name all the people you want. Ive heard most of the people youve named in the topic I made about a week ago. I just cant enjoy most of it.
Funky_Llama

Does it? You ignored melody and harmony.

Meh. It certainly disregards it to the extent that they're pretty much irrelevant.

It's all in perspective. I think alot screamo music disregards those things but I don't make threads preaching how it is not music.

I would not call rap music, and I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a poetic art form, but I'll go ahead and agree with that part. I suppose it depends on a lot of things... I don't listen to rap at all, and I'm usually annoyed by it. However, if there is a decent message conveyed well, then I suppose you can call it a poetic art form.tsb247

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.Vyse_The_Daring

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]I no what youre trying to get me to understand. You think im generalizing the whole genre of rap because of the mainstream rap like lil wayne. I just dont think that their is much rap that is good. You can name all the people you want. Ive heard most of the people youve named in the topic I made about a week ago. I just cant enjoy most of it.
Orlando_Magic

Does it? You ignored melody and harmony.

Meh. It certainly disregards it to the extent that they're pretty much irrelevant.

They're simple, but they're still central to the music. And when melody isn't central to the music, it ceases to be music as far as I'm concerned.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]I no what youre trying to get me to understand. You think im generalizing the whole genre of rap because of the mainstream rap like lil wayne. I just dont think that their is much rap that is good. You can name all the people you want. Ive heard most of the people youve named in the topic I made about a week ago. I just cant enjoy most of it.
The_Mac_Daddy

Does it? You ignored melody and harmony.

Meh. It certainly disregards it to the extent that they're pretty much irrelevant.

Do you even know what melody and harmony is?

I wouldn't be much of a pianist if I didn't.

What, that pathetic little melody in the background?Funky_Llama

So it's gone from no melody, to hardly any melody, to a pathetic melody?

Considering Soulja Boy is the worst rapper ever, and you still can't argue his songs aren't music, the thread is over.

I would not call rap music, and I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a poetic art form, but I'll go ahead and agree with that part. I suppose it depends on a lot of things... I don't listen to rap at all, and I'm usually annoyed by it. However, if there is a decent message conveyed well, then I suppose you can call it a poetic art form.tsb247

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.airg6

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

You don't understand the concept of talent. Anybody can lock themselves in their bedroom and practice 8 hours a day and play alot of notes really fast. That's not talent.

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.airg6

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

How am I twisting what you said? This thread is about whether rap is music or not. I don't care if in your opinion Joe Satriani is more talented than any rapper (although you don't even listen to rap, uninformed opinions FTL), because that is completely and utterly irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Rap = music, have a nice day.

I would not call rap music, and I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a poetic art form, but I'll go ahead and agree with that part. I suppose it depends on a lot of things... I don't listen to rap at all, and I'm usually annoyed by it. However, if there is a decent message conveyed well, then I suppose you can call it a poetic art form.tsb247

I'd say the mainstreem rap music today is more music than it is a poetic art form...

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.airg6

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

[QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.-Austin-

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

You don't understand the concept of talent. Anybody can lock themselves in their bedroom and practice 8 hours a day and play alot of notes really fast. That's not talent.

But Joe Satriani is a virtuoso guitarist...

[QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.-Austin-

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

You don't understand the concept of talent. Anybody can lock themselves in their bedroom and practice 8 hours a day and play alot of notes really fast. That's not talent.

[QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.swizz-the-gamer

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

I would also contest the idea that rap has melody. While I'm sure there are some that do, I have also heard my fair share of simple beat-box style rap (which I hate). It's just the same beat over and over and over with no real deviation. Yeah... Not music. Music should have rhythm, melody, and harmony. A lot of the time, those are lacking.tsb247

Yeah. When they do have melody, it's only on the periphery; it's not central to the music, so it's not music.

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.airg6

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

That is COMPLETELY irelevent to ANYTHING this thread is about. First off, talent means little to nothing. What do I mean by that? It has absoluetly nothing to do with identifying what is music and what is not. Comparing talent is like comparing apples to oranges also.. unless they are both doing the exact same things.

You are rediculous.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.airg6

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

You don't understand the concept of talent. Anybody can lock themselves in their bedroom and practice 8 hours a day and play alot of notes really fast. That's not talent.

That's kind of the concept of Shred music. I have honestly never met an intelligent person who thought Satriani wrote good music.

[QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.Vyse_The_Daring

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

How am I twisting what you said? This thread is about whether rap is music or not. I don't care if in your opinion Joe Satriani is more talented than any rapper (although you don't even listen to rap, uninformed opinions FTL), because that is completely and utterly irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Rap = music, have a nice day.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.airg6

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

:lol: Dude, thats sig worthy. Explain to me how Satriani is a better painter than Da Vinci.

[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would not call rap music, and I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a poetic art form, but I'll go ahead and agree with that part. I suppose it depends on a lot of things... I don't listen to rap at all, and I'm usually annoyed by it. However, if there is a decent message conveyed well, then I suppose you can call it a poetic art form.Vyse_The_Daring

If you don't listen to it, how can you possibly assert that it's not music?

Just because I don't listen to it doesn't mean I've never been exposed to it. I hear it all the time. Whether it's from TV, the radio, or other people that happen to have a boom box, I have heard enough to for my opinion here. Most of it is just crap anywhay, but that's mostly due to the subject matter chosen nowadays. I've broken rap into two categories thusfar:

1. Complaining - The rapper is complaining about their life, misfortune, being mistreated by someone, or anything for that matter.

2. Boasting - The rapper is bragging about their supopsed riches, fame, and so on.

[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would also contest the idea that rap has melody. While I'm sure there are some that do, I have also heard my fair share of simple beat-box style rap (which I hate). It's just the same beat over and over and over with no real deviation. Yeah... Not music. Music should have rhythm, melody, and harmony. A lot of the time, those are lacking.Funky_Llama

Yeah. When they do have melody, it's only on the periphery; it's not central to the music, so it's not music.

You just called it music. :roll:

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.airg6

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]What, that pathetic little melody in the background?Vyse_The_Daring

So it's gone from no melody, to hardly any melody, to a pathetic melody?

Considering Soulja Boy is the worst rapper ever, and you still can't argue his songs aren't music, the thread is over.

I can and will. It's not music. By your logic, a movie is music. But it's not because it has music, but it's not central to it, so a movie is not a piece of music. With rap, there is a melody but it's not central to it, so it's not music.

[QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.-Austin-

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

You don't understand the concept of talent. Anybody can lock themselves in their bedroom and practice 8 hours a day and play alot of notes really fast. That's not talent.

That's kind of the concept of Shred music. I have honestly never met an intelligent person who thought Satriani wrote good music.

[QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.-Austin-

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

:lol: Dude, thats sig worthy. Explain to me how Satriani is a better painter than Da Vinci.

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.airg6

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

How am I twisting what you said? This thread is about whether rap is music or not. I don't care if in your opinion Joe Satriani is more talented than any rapper (although you don't even listen to rap, uninformed opinions FTL), because that is completely and utterly irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Rap = music, have a nice day.

What makes Mos Def garbage and Public Enemy good?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would also contest the idea that rap has melody. While I'm sure there are some that do, I have also heard my fair share of simple beat-box style rap (which I hate). It's just the same beat over and over and over with no real deviation. Yeah... Not music. Music should have rhythm, melody, and harmony. A lot of the time, those are lacking.Vyse_The_Daring

Yeah. When they do have melody, it's only on the periphery; it's not central to the music, so it's not music.

You just called it music. :roll:

I was speaking hypothetically.

God I hate these threads.

Why can't we respect what other people listen too. Rap fans don't go around preaching that rock music is stupid. We all have different perspectives and taste. Going around saying that what you love and listen to is not music is very insulting. Hell, most of the people who diss rap only touch the surface of it. Taking what see on MTV and hear on the radio.

[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would also contest the idea that rap has melody. While I'm sure there are some that do, I have also heard my fair share of simple beat-box style rap (which I hate). It's just the same beat over and over and over with no real deviation. Yeah... Not music. Music should have rhythm, melody, and harmony. A lot of the time, those are lacking.Funky_Llama

Yeah. When they do have melody, it's only on the periphery; it's not central to the music, so it's not music.

how is it not central to the music?

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would not call rap music, and I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a poetic art form, but I'll go ahead and agree with that part. I suppose it depends on a lot of things... I don't listen to rap at all, and I'm usually annoyed by it. However, if there is a decent message conveyed well, then I suppose you can call it a poetic art form.tsb247

If you don't listen to it, how can you possibly assert that it's not music?

Just because I don't listen to it doesn't mean I've never been exposed to it. I hear it all the time. Whether it's from TV, the radio, or other people that happen to have a boom box, I have heard enough to for my opinion here. Most of it is just crap anywhay, but that's mostly due to the subject matter chosen nowadays. I've broken rap into two categories thusfar:

1. Complaining - The rapper is complaining about their life, misfortune, being mistreated by someone, or anything for that matter.

2. Boasting - The rapper is bragging about their supopsed riches, fame, and so on.

Rap has always been a form of music. FACT

[QUOTE="tsb247"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would not call rap music, and I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a poetic art form, but I'll go ahead and agree with that part. I suppose it depends on a lot of things... I don't listen to rap at all, and I'm usually annoyed by it. However, if there is a decent message conveyed well, then I suppose you can call it a poetic art form.swizz-the-gamer

If you don't listen to it, how can you possibly assert that it's not music?

Just because I don't listen to it doesn't mean I've never been exposed to it. I hear it all the time. Whether it's from TV, the radio, or other people that happen to have a boom box, I have heard enough to for my opinion here. Most of it is just crap anywhay, but that's mostly due to the subject matter chosen nowadays. I've broken rap into two categories thusfar:

1. Complaining - The rapper is complaining about their life, misfortune, being mistreated by someone, or anything for that matter.

2. Boasting - The rapper is bragging about their supopsed riches, fame, and so on.

Ok... I will look that up.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.swizz-the-gamer

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

:lol: Dude, thats sig worthy. Explain to me how Satriani is a better painter than Da Vinci.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.swizz-the-gamer

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

:lol: Dude, thats sig worthy. Explain to me how Satriani is a better painter than Da Vinci.

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would not call rap music, and I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a poetic art form, but I'll go ahead and agree with that part. I suppose it depends on a lot of things... I don't listen to rap at all, and I'm usually annoyed by it. However, if there is a decent message conveyed well, then I suppose you can call it a poetic art form.tsb247

If you don't listen to it, how can you possibly assert that it's not music?

Just because I don't listen to it doesn't mean I've never been exposed to it. I hear it all the time. Whether it's from TV, the radio, or other people that happen to have a boom box, I have heard enough to for my opinion here. Most of it is just crap anywhay, but that's mostly due to the subject matter chosen nowadays. I've broken rap into two categories thusfar:

1. Complaining - The rapper is complaining about their life, misfortune, being mistreated by someone, or anything for that matter.

2. Boasting - The rapper is bragging about their supopsed riches, fame, and so on.

Great, I haven't listened to as many metal bands as the average fan of the genre, but I think that my limited exposure to it has given me enough insight that I can classify an entire genre into two categories:

1. Incoherent screaming (over arpeggios): the singer is screaming into the abyss, but I don't know what about because I can't understand them.

2. Praising Satan: this is the same as incoherent screaming, only it sounds even worse so I can only imagine they're praising the dark lord.

Gee, living in blissful ignorance is much more enjoyable than giving new things a chance.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.airg6

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

You don't understand the concept of talent. Anybody can lock themselves in their bedroom and practice 8 hours a day and play alot of notes really fast. That's not talent.

That's kind of the concept of Shred music. I have honestly never met an intelligent person who thought Satriani wrote good music.

Thats a very stupid thing to say. You don't seem to understand what a genre is. You can't say oh...this genre requires more skill than this one.

Satriani is more talented than Soulja Boy

Mos Def is more talented than Mick Thompson

Basically every genre has very talented musicians and ones that aren't. Oh and blast beats are so much better than anything in hip hop today.....:roll:

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.airg6

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

:lol: Dude, thats sig worthy. Explain to me how Satriani is a better painter than Da Vinci.

*facepalm*

yes just don't listen to it if you don't like it.

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]What, that pathetic little melody in the background?Funky_Llama

So it's gone from no melody, to hardly any melody, to a pathetic melody?

Considering Soulja Boy is the worst rapper ever, and you still can't argue his songs aren't music, the thread is over.

I can and will. It's not music. By your logic, a movie is music. But it's not because it has music, but it's not central to it, so a movie is not a piece of music. With rap, there is a melody but it's not central to it, so it's not music.

The movie example is not even a halfway decent analogy. The movie is not a song. A rap song is a rap song. First of all, what does a melody being central have to do with identifying what is music and what isn't? And how does rap music not have a central melody?

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would not call rap music, and I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a poetic art form, but I'll go ahead and agree with that part. I suppose it depends on a lot of things... I don't listen to rap at all, and I'm usually annoyed by it. However, if there is a decent message conveyed well, then I suppose you can call it a poetic art form.tsb247

If you don't listen to it, how can you possibly assert that it's not music?

Just because I don't listen to it doesn't mean I've never been exposed to it. I hear it all the time. Whether it's from TV, the radio, or other people that happen to have a boom box, I have heard enough to for my opinion here. Most of it is just crap anywhay, but that's mostly due to the subject matter chosen nowadays. I've broken rap into two categories thusfar:

1. Complaining - The rapper is complaining about their life, misfortune, being mistreated by someone, or anything for that matter.

2. Boasting - The rapper is bragging about their supopsed riches, fame, and so on.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.airg6

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

:lol: Dude, thats sig worthy. Explain to me how Satriani is a better painter than Da Vinci.

Yeah....The Last Supper and The Mona Lisa both suck :roll:

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]What, that pathetic little melody in the background?Funky_Llama

So it's gone from no melody, to hardly any melody, to a pathetic melody?

Considering Soulja Boy is the worst rapper ever, and you still can't argue his songs aren't music, the thread is over.

I can and will. It's not music. By your logic, a movie is music. But it's not because it has music, but it's not central to it, so a movie is not a piece of music. With rap, there is a melody but it's not central to it, so it's not music.

That comparison is so asinine I can't even begin to sink to a level where I might be able to argue your point. I'm just going to completely forget that you ever brought up movies.

Beats and melodies are central to the music, despite what you think. Kanye West started his whole career by writing/producing them for great rappers like Jay-Z.

[QUOTE="tsb247"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would not call rap music, and I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a poetic art form, but I'll go ahead and agree with that part. I suppose it depends on a lot of things... I don't listen to rap at all, and I'm usually annoyed by it. However, if there is a decent message conveyed well, then I suppose you can call it a poetic art form.swizz-the-gamer

If you don't listen to it, how can you possibly assert that it's not music?

Just because I don't listen to it doesn't mean I've never been exposed to it. I hear it all the time. Whether it's from TV, the radio, or other people that happen to have a boom box, I have heard enough to for my opinion here. Most of it is just crap anywhay, but that's mostly due to the subject matter chosen nowadays. I've broken rap into two categories thusfar:

1. Complaining - The rapper is complaining about their life, misfortune, being mistreated by someone, or anything for that matter.

2. Boasting - The rapper is bragging about their supopsed riches, fame, and so on.

Like I said... Not my kind of music, but I certainly have heard worse.

[QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.swizz-the-gamer

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

:lol: Dude, thats sig worthy. Explain to me how Satriani is a better painter than Da Vinci.

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[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would also contest the idea that rap has melody. While I'm sure there are some that do, I have also heard my fair share of simple beat-box style rap (which I hate). It's just the same beat over and over and over with no real deviation. Yeah... Not music. Music should have rhythm, melody, and harmony. A lot of the time, those are lacking.The_Mac_Daddy

Yeah. When they do have melody, it's only on the periphery; it's not central to the music, so it's not music.

how is it not central to the music?

Of course it's not central to the music! Rap isn't fundamentally based on melody!

Rap has always been a form of music. FACT

Anti-Venom

Thank you for your valuable contribution. :roll: