Who else thinks that rap should not be considered music?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]What, that pathetic little melody in the background?Vyse_The_Daring

So it's gone from no melody, to hardly any melody, to a pathetic melody?

Considering Soulja Boy is the worst rapper ever, and you still can't argue his songs aren't music, the thread is over.

I can and will. It's not music. By your logic, a movie is music. But it's not because it has music, but it's not central to it, so a movie is not a piece of music. With rap, there is a melody but it's not central to it, so it's not music.

That comparison is so asinine I can't even begin to sink to a level where I might be able to argue your point.

Yeah, it made me lol pretty hard.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="tsb247"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would not call rap music, and I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a poetic art form, but I'll go ahead and agree with that part. I suppose it depends on a lot of things... I don't listen to rap at all, and I'm usually annoyed by it. However, if there is a decent message conveyed well, then I suppose you can call it a poetic art form.tsb247

If you don't listen to it, how can you possibly assert that it's not music?

Just because I don't listen to it doesn't mean I've never been exposed to it. I hear it all the time. Whether it's from TV, the radio, or other people that happen to have a boom box, I have heard enough to for my opinion here. Most of it is just crap anywhay, but that's mostly due to the subject matter chosen nowadays. I've broken rap into two categories thusfar:

1. Complaining - The rapper is complaining about their life, misfortune, being mistreated by someone, or anything for that matter.

2. Boasting - The rapper is bragging about their supopsed riches, fame, and so on.

Like I said... Not my kind of music, but I certainly have heard worse.

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would also contest the idea that rap has melody. While I'm sure there are some that do, I have also heard my fair share of simple beat-box style rap (which I hate). It's just the same beat over and over and over with no real deviation. Yeah... Not music. Music should have rhythm, melody, and harmony. A lot of the time, those are lacking.Funky_Llama

Yeah. When they do have melody, it's only on the periphery; it's not central to the music, so it's not music.

how is it not central to the music?

Of course it's not central to the music! Rap isn't fundamentally based on melody! Now I'm going to go play TF2.

Rap has always been a form of music. FACT

Anti-Venom

Thank you for your valuable contribution. :roll:

It was infinitely more valuable than any contribution from any rap hater in this thread.

All these anti-rap guys are presenting the most stupid arguments ever.. it's almost not even funny anymore.The_Mac_Daddy

Are you kidding? Did you see his movie/rap comparison? You can't tell me that's not the funniest thing you've ever read.

If you ain't like it then don't listen to it.

It is music.

Funky Llama, you points about melody make no sense. During a drum solo, the focus is not melody, does that mean every song with a drum solo is no longer considered music?

[QUOTE="tsb247"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would not call rap music, and I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a poetic art form, but I'll go ahead and agree with that part. I suppose it depends on a lot of things... I don't listen to rap at all, and I'm usually annoyed by it. However, if there is a decent message conveyed well, then I suppose you can call it a poetic art form.Orlando_Magic

If you don't listen to it, how can you possibly assert that it's not music?

Just because I don't listen to it doesn't mean I've never been exposed to it. I hear it all the time. Whether it's from TV, the radio, or other people that happen to have a boom box, I have heard enough to for my opinion here. Most of it is just crap anywhay, but that's mostly due to the subject matter chosen nowadays. I've broken rap into two categories thusfar:

1. Complaining - The rapper is complaining about their life, misfortune, being mistreated by someone, or anything for that matter.

2. Boasting - The rapper is bragging about their supopsed riches, fame, and so on.

Read my previous post, and you will see the reasons why I would not call it music. The post that you quoted above was just to further project an opinion I stated before. I was merely stating that it all seems the same to me. Maybe I should have been more clear.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.airg6

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

:lol: Dude, thats sig worthy. Explain to me how Satriani is a better painter than Da Vinci.

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would also contest the idea that rap has melody. While I'm sure there are some that do, I have also heard my fair share of simple beat-box style rap (which I hate). It's just the same beat over and over and over with no real deviation. Yeah... Not music. Music should have rhythm, melody, and harmony. A lot of the time, those are lacking.Funky_Llama

Yeah. When they do have melody, it's only on the periphery; it's not central to the music, so it's not music.

how is it not central to the music?

Of course it's not central to the music! Rap isn't fundamentally based on melody!

Rap has always been a form of music. FACT

Anti-Venom

Thank you for your valuable contribution. :roll:

how is rap not based on melody? what the hell is it based on?

[QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Joe satriani is more talented than any rapper to walk the face of this god given earth. Im sure most of you dont know who he is. I bet you're going to look him up on youtube right now and act like you know who he is.swizz-the-gamer

So you've changed from "rap isn't music" to "rappers aren't as talented as Joe Satriani." Excellent backtrack, this thread is is basically over now. Rap = music.

:lol: Dude, thats sig worthy. Explain to me how Satriani is a better painter than Da Vinci.

He got used to it, since that happens to him in every thread about rap music.

[QUOTE="tsb247"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="tsb247"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would not call rap music, and I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a poetic art form, but I'll go ahead and agree with that part. I suppose it depends on a lot of things... I don't listen to rap at all, and I'm usually annoyed by it. However, if there is a decent message conveyed well, then I suppose you can call it a poetic art form.swizz-the-gamer

If you don't listen to it, how can you possibly assert that it's not music?

Just because I don't listen to it doesn't mean I've never been exposed to it. I hear it all the time. Whether it's from TV, the radio, or other people that happen to have a boom box, I have heard enough to for my opinion here. Most of it is just crap anywhay, but that's mostly due to the subject matter chosen nowadays. I've broken rap into two categories thusfar:

1. Complaining - The rapper is complaining about their life, misfortune, being mistreated by someone, or anything for that matter.

2. Boasting - The rapper is bragging about their supopsed riches, fame, and so on.

Like I said... Not my kind of music, but I certainly have heard worse.

True. I never said I was the king of absolutes.

Try listening to this.

Mercenary - Lost Reality (you can find the whole thing on their myspace page)

MY favorite song as of this moment.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="tsb247"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="tsb247"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would not call rap music, and I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a poetic art form, but I'll go ahead and agree with that part. I suppose it depends on a lot of things... I don't listen to rap at all, and I'm usually annoyed by it. However, if there is a decent message conveyed well, then I suppose you can call it a poetic art form.tsb247

If you don't listen to it, how can you possibly assert that it's not music?

Just because I don't listen to it doesn't mean I've never been exposed to it. I hear it all the time. Whether it's from TV, the radio, or other people that happen to have a boom box, I have heard enough to for my opinion here. Most of it is just crap anywhay, but that's mostly due to the subject matter chosen nowadays. I've broken rap into two categories thusfar:

1. Complaining - The rapper is complaining about their life, misfortune, being mistreated by someone, or anything for that matter.

2. Boasting - The rapper is bragging about their supopsed riches, fame, and so on.

Like I said... Not my kind of music, but I certainly have heard worse.

True. I never said I was the king of absolutes.

Try listening to this.

Mercenary - Lost Reality

MY favorite song as of this moment.

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]What, that pathetic little melody in the background?Funky_Llama

So it's gone from no melody, to hardly any melody, to a pathetic melody?

Considering Soulja Boy is the worst rapper ever, and you still can't argue his songs aren't music, the thread is over.

I can and will. It's not music. By your logic, a movie is music. But it's not because it has music, but it's not central to it, so a movie is not a piece of music. With rap, there is a melody but it's not central to it, so it's not music.

I have never ever seen rap haters made to look this stupid.swizz-the-gamer

Try a Slipknot show for more lawlz.

[QUOTE="tsb247"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="tsb247"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="tsb247"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would not call rap music, and I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a poetic art form, but I'll go ahead and agree with that part. I suppose it depends on a lot of things... I don't listen to rap at all, and I'm usually annoyed by it. However, if there is a decent message conveyed well, then I suppose you can call it a poetic art form.swizz-the-gamer

If you don't listen to it, how can you possibly assert that it's not music?

Just because I don't listen to it doesn't mean I've never been exposed to it. I hear it all the time. Whether it's from TV, the radio, or other people that happen to have a boom box, I have heard enough to for my opinion here. Most of it is just crap anywhay, but that's mostly due to the subject matter chosen nowadays. I've broken rap into two categories thusfar:

1. Complaining - The rapper is complaining about their life, misfortune, being mistreated by someone, or anything for that matter.

2. Boasting - The rapper is bragging about their supopsed riches, fame, and so on.

Like I said... Not my kind of music, but I certainly have heard worse.

True. I never said I was the king of absolutes.

Try listening to this.

Mercenary - Lost Reality

MY favorite song as of this moment.

I don't mean to attack rap... I'm just not a fan, and I can be quite opinionated sometimes. It's cool. I know you aren't.

Funky Llama, you points about melody make no sense. During a drum solo, the focus is not melody, does that mean every song with a drum solo is no longer considered music?

-Austin-

Are we talking entire songs composes merely of drum solos?

Kirk hamett has more talent than any rapperairg6

Proof?

Look.Rap is garbage. I dont care what I said anymore. Rap sucks. Listen to you're crappy untalented music. You guys will never understand talent. You guys just try to keep on defending you're music because you know its garbage. You can compare rappers abilities and a musician like kirk hamett's. Kirk hamett has more talent than any rapper. Thats all I have to say. Im done and dont plan to listen to rap anymore because of you ignorant fools. I already know what youre gonna say so just save it.airg6

Look.Rap is garbage. I dont care what I said anymore. Rap sucks. Listen to you're crappy untalented music. You guys will never understand talent. You guys just try to keep on defending you're music because you know its garbage. You can compare rappers abilities and a musician like kirk hamett's. Kirk hamett has more talent than any rapper. Thats all I have to say. Im done and dont plan to listen to rap anymore because of you ignorant fools. I already know what youre gonna say so just save it.airg6

Posting like this isn't the best way to get your point across though...

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would also contest the idea that rap has melody. While I'm sure there are some that do, I have also heard my fair share of simple beat-box style rap (which I hate). It's just the same beat over and over and over with no real deviation. Yeah... Not music. Music should have rhythm, melody, and harmony. A lot of the time, those are lacking.The_Mac_Daddy

Yeah. When they do have melody, it's only on the periphery; it's not central to the music, so it's not music.

how is it not central to the music?

Of course it's not central to the music! Rap isn't fundamentally based on melody!

Rap has always been a form of music. FACT

Anti-Venom

Thank you for your valuable contribution. :roll:

how is rap not based on melody? what the hell is it based on?

Rhythm?

[QUOTE="-Austin-"]

Funky Llama, you points about melody make no sense. During a drum solo, the focus is not melody, does that mean every song with a drum solo is no longer considered music?

Funky_Llama

Are we talking entire songs composes merely of drum solos?

Sure, whatever. It doesn't change the fact that a melody can't be the "focus" of a song. Give me an example of a melody being the focus of a song.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="tsb247"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="tsb247"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="tsb247"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would not call rap music, and I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a poetic art form, but I'll go ahead and agree with that part. I suppose it depends on a lot of things... I don't listen to rap at all, and I'm usually annoyed by it. However, if there is a decent message conveyed well, then I suppose you can call it a poetic art form.tsb247

If you don't listen to it, how can you possibly assert that it's not music?

Just because I don't listen to it doesn't mean I've never been exposed to it. I hear it all the time. Whether it's from TV, the radio, or other people that happen to have a boom box, I have heard enough to for my opinion here. Most of it is just crap anywhay, but that's mostly due to the subject matter chosen nowadays. I've broken rap into two categories thusfar:

1. Complaining - The rapper is complaining about their life, misfortune, being mistreated by someone, or anything for that matter.

2. Boasting - The rapper is bragging about their supopsed riches, fame, and so on.

Like I said... Not my kind of music, but I certainly have heard worse.

True. I never said I was the king of absolutes.

Try listening to this.

Mercenary - Lost Reality

MY favorite song as of this moment.

I don't mean to attack rap... I'm just not a fan, and I can be quite opinionated sometimes. It's cool. I know you aren't.

[QUOTE="airg6"]Kirk hamett has more talent than any rapper-Austin-

Proof?

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would also contest the idea that rap has melody. While I'm sure there are some that do, I have also heard my fair share of simple beat-box style rap (which I hate). It's just the same beat over and over and over with no real deviation. Yeah... Not music. Music should have rhythm, melody, and harmony. A lot of the time, those are lacking.Funky_Llama

Yeah. When they do have melody, it's only on the periphery; it's not central to the music, so it's not music.

how is it not central to the music?

Of course it's not central to the music! Rap isn't fundamentally based on melody!

Rap has always been a form of music. FACT

Anti-Venom

Thank you for your valuable contribution. :roll:

how is rap not based on melody? what the hell is it based on?

Rhythm?

And being based around rhythm makes its not music?

Look.Rap is garbage. I dont care what I said anymore. Rap sucks. Listen to you're crappy untalented music. You guys will never understand talent. You guys just try to keep on defending you're music because you know its garbage. You can compare rappers abilities and a musician like kirk hamett's. Kirk hamett has more talent than any rapper. Thats all I have to say. Im done and dont plan to listen to rap anymore because of you ignorant fools. I already know what youre gonna say so just save it.airg6

Judging from your views on an entire genre of music, the range of music I listen to is probably 2-3 times larger than yours. :roll: Rap isn't even my favourite genre, not by a long shot.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Kirk hamett has more talent than any rapperairg6

Proof?

Look.Rap is garbage. I dont care what I said anymore. Rap sucks. Listen to you're crappy untalented music. You guys will never understand talent. You guys just try to keep on defending you're music because you know its garbage. You can compare rappers abilities and a musician like kirk hamett's. Kirk hamett has more talent than any rapper. Thats all I have to say. Im done and dont plan to listen to rap anymore because of you ignorant fools. I already know what youre gonna say so just save it.airg6

you're obviously the one who is ignorant and closed-minded. You can't even compare someone like kirk hamett to a rapper. They are not doing the same things. Can kirk hamett rap like 2pac, biggie, nas or jay z? No. Can a rapper do whatever it is that kirk hamett does? Also a no.

Just because you think rap is garbage and it sucks, doesn't mean it's not music. It is and there is nothing you can say or do to change it.

Look.Rap is garbage. I dont care what I said anymore. Rap sucks. Listen to you're crappy untalented music. You guys will never understand talent. You guys just try to keep on defending you're music because you know its garbage. You can compare rappers abilities and a musician like kirk hamett's. Kirk hamett has more talent than any rapper. Thats all I have to say. Im done and dont plan to listen to rap anymore because of you ignorant fools. I already know what youre gonna say so just save it.airg6

I fail to see why everyone's getting so annoyed. I would like to clarify that though I do not consider rap to be music, I'm not saying that it is inferior to music; I think rap can be an art form, and it can be as 'good' as music.

And yeah, that movie/music comparison was really stupid. I don't know what I was thinking.:?

[QUOTE="-Austin-"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Kirk hamett has more talent than any rapperairg6

Proof?

Just look at how good Busta Rhymes delivery is and how original his lyrics are.

Also, Hammett can't write music.....at all....look how bad Metallica got after Cliff died.

Look.Rap is garbage. I dont care what I said anymore. Rap sucks. Listen to you're crappy untalented music. You guys will never understand talent. You guys just try to keep on defending you're music because you know its garbage. You can compare rappers abilities and a musician like kirk hamett's. Kirk hamett has more talent than any rapper. Thats all I have to say. Im done and dont plan to listen to rap anymore because of you ignorant fools. I already know what youre gonna say so just save it.airg6

So what your saying is...

"MY VIEWS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT! MY VIEWS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT! WHO EVERY TRIES TO PROVE ME WRONG IS IGNORANT!"

I am now enlightened and will never listen to rap again.

Fine. Cliff burton is more talented than any rapper.airg6

Notice how you keep making that statement and you've had to change the name several times? Give it up.

Fine. Cliff burton is more talented than any rapper.airg6

[QUOTE="tsb247"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="tsb247"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="tsb247"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="tsb247"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would not call rap music, and I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a poetic art form, but I'll go ahead and agree with that part. I suppose it depends on a lot of things... I don't listen to rap at all, and I'm usually annoyed by it. However, if there is a decent message conveyed well, then I suppose you can call it a poetic art form.swizz-the-gamer

If you don't listen to it, how can you possibly assert that it's not music?

Just because I don't listen to it doesn't mean I've never been exposed to it. I hear it all the time. Whether it's from TV, the radio, or other people that happen to have a boom box, I have heard enough to for my opinion here. Most of it is just crap anywhay, but that's mostly due to the subject matter chosen nowadays. I've broken rap into two categories thusfar:

1. Complaining - The rapper is complaining about their life, misfortune, being mistreated by someone, or anything for that matter.

2. Boasting - The rapper is bragging about their supopsed riches, fame, and so on.

Like I said... Not my kind of music, but I certainly have heard worse.

True. I never said I was the king of absolutes.

Try listening to this.

Mercenary - Lost Reality

MY favorite song as of this moment.

I don't mean to attack rap... I'm just not a fan, and I can be quite opinionated sometimes. It's cool. I know you aren't.

Yes, I did. However, I never said it was all garbage like the TC. However, I have yet to hear any that I truly enjoy, and I do have my opinions... I know... I don't make much sense... I'm exhausted.

I fail to see why everyone's getting so annoyed. I would like to clarify that though I do not consider rap to be music, I'm not saying that it is inferior to music; I think rap can be an art form, and it can be as 'good' as music.

And yeah, that movie/music comparison was really stupid. I don't know what I was thinking.:?

Funky_Llama

I don't see how any musically educated person can even begin to consider rap not being music. If you are a pianist, I don't see how you can really fail to classify rap as music.

[QUOTE="airg6"]Fine. Cliff burton is more talented than any rapper.Vyse_The_Daring

Notice how you keep making that statement and you've had to change the name several times? Give it up.

Fine. Cliff burton is more talented than any rapper.airg6

How? He is a great metal musician. Jay-Z is a great rapper. You can't say Jay-Z sucks because he can't play bass and you can't say Cliff sucks because he can't rap. It's two completly different styles of music. If Cliff is more talented than any rapper, how come Cliff can't rap?

I don't think MAINSTREAM rap should be considered music because most of that is amelodic and just a synthesized drum beat so they can pump out a fast album. There is plenty of underground rap though that is more creative and uses some melody/musical talent because those independant ones take time to mess around a little.

Note: I don't even like the underground rap.

I bet y'all didn't even know.... rap is actually a break off of rock and roll. I took a "history of rock and roll" class at Sam Houston State University.... and guess what? We studied some rap music of the 80's. Yes, rap MUSIC.

If I had my textbook still I would **** all over you anti rap guys.

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]Fine. Cliff burton is more talented than any rapper.airg6

Notice how you keep making that statement and you've had to change the name several times? Give it up.

How so? Are they better lyricists?

I don't think MAINSTREAM rap should be considered music because most of that is amelodic and just a synthesized drum beat so they can pump out a fast album. There is plenty of underground rap though that is more creative and uses some melody/musical talent because those independant ones take time to mess around a little.

Note: I don't even like the underground rap.

Thyeora

There's plenty of crappy mainstream rap and rock. I don't even drive anymore without my ipod, radio is awful.

[QUOTE="airg6"]Fine. Cliff burton is more talented than any rapper.-Austin-

How? He is a great metal musician. Jay-Z is a great rapper. You can't say Jay-Z sucks because he can't play bass and you can't say Cliff sucks because he can't rap. It's two completly different styles of music. If Cliff is more talented than any rapper, how come Cliff can't rap?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

I fail to see why everyone's getting so annoyed. I would like to clarify that though I do not consider rap to be music, I'm not saying that it is inferior to music; I think rap can be an art form, and it can be as 'good' as music.

And yeah, that movie/music comparison was really stupid. I don't know what I was thinking.:?

The_Mac_Daddy

I don't see how any musically educated person can even begin to consider rap not being music. If you are a pianist, I don't see how you can really fail to classify rap as music.

Meh. I consider rap to be more of... I don't know if there's a word for it. But if there is a word for a kind of spoken word/poetic art form, it's that.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="tsb247"]I would also contest the idea that rap has melody. While I'm sure there are some that do, I have also heard my fair share of simple beat-box style rap (which I hate). It's just the same beat over and over and over with no real deviation. Yeah... Not music. Music should have rhythm, melody, and harmony. A lot of the time, those are lacking.-Austin-

Yeah. When they do have melody, it's only on the periphery; it's not central to the music, so it's not music.

how is it not central to the music?

Of course it's not central to the music! Rap isn't fundamentally based on melody!

Rap has always been a form of music. FACT

Anti-Venom

Thank you for your valuable contribution. :roll:

how is rap not based on melody? what the hell is it based on?

Rhythm?

And being based around rhythm makes its not music?

Melody is not a central element of free jazz at all, for example. Is free jazz not music? Where is the central melody in the song I just posted?