Why I am against abortion

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#1 McJugga
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I am against abortion because of this:

That is a 6-day old baby.

Who will turn into a four month old baby:

Who will turn into:

Who will grow up to be a bride:

I don't believe that anyone has the right to take away the life of this human being who will grow up to have friends, be happy, feel pain, feel love, and to live life.

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#3 Conjuration
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What if that 6 day old baby was a product of a 13 year old girl getting raped by her grandfather?
I'm not joking, there is a place for abortion in society.
It's not always so cut and dry.

One more thing: The people going for abortions have their reasons. If they were forced to raise a child against their will, you can change that picture of a happy bride to a crackhead in a jail uniform.

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#4 Dark_Knight6
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Same here. I don't like the idea of killing for convenience.

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#5 qwertyoip
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[QUOTE="McJugga"]

I am against abortion because of this:

That is a 6-day old baby.

Who will turn into a four month old baby:

Who will turn into:

Who will grow up to be a bride:

I don't believe that anyone has the right to take away the life of this human being who will grow up to have friends, be happy, feel pain, feel love, and to live life.

or maybe a husband
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#6 RaistlinMajere8
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first off what do you define as "life" cause some would consider a cell to not be "alive" in the sense of humans being alive.

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#7 sAndroid17
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get out the baby B gone or Fetus Flusher, thats what i always say;)

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#8 lobodob
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I don't believe that anyone has the right to take away the life of this human being who will grow up to have friends, be happy, feel pain, feel love, and to live life.

RaistlinMajere8

I do :D

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#9 zakkro
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It may grow up to be a bum, though... maybe something worse. >.>
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#10 carrot-cake
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What if that 6 day old baby was a product of a 13 year old girl getting raped by her grandfather?
I'm not joking, there is a place for abortion in society.
It's not always so cut and dry.

Conjuration


Exactly.
Also, what if the person was raped? Must they suffer a child because someone sexually assaulted them?
What guarantees that the person will grow up to be like that? There is none. Not everyone will have a good life and be happy.

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#11 swiftkillz0
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none of my concern
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#12 sAndroid17
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[QUOTE="lobodob"]

[QUOTE="RaistlinMajere8"]I don't believe that anyone has the right to take away the life of this human being who will grow up to have friends, be happy, feel pain, feel love, and to live life.

I do :D

me too:D
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#13 tzar3
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Yeah and? Why should I care for what an infant grows up to be? If a woman wants to destroy the innocent life within then fine, not my business.

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#14 sAndroid17
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Yeah and? Why should I care for what an infant grows up to be? If a woman wants to destroy the innocent life within then fine, not my business.

tzar3

or a few cells:P

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#15 Darth-Caedus
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I don't consider a clump of cells a life, regardless of what it COULD become, its not, so I really couldn't care less...
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#16 sAndroid17
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I don't consider a clump of cells a life, regardless of what it COULD become, its not, so I really couldn't care less...Darth-Caedus
i mean come on! a tumor has more cells :P

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#17 ferrari2001
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I agree, some people don't however, but I pose a question to them. At what point does the child become viable? Cause I don't see how anyone could kill a child after they are viable.
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#18 gobo212
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I see no real argument here, just an appeal to emotion.
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#19 tzar3
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[QUOTE="tzar3"]

Yeah and? Why should I care for what an infant grows up to be? If a woman wants to destroy the innocent life within then fine, not my business.

sAndroid17

or a few cells:P

Yeah I guess... OH WELL! LIFE GOES ON!

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#20 uncreativebutt
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plus murder is supposed to be illegal. seriously.
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#21 mattykovax
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Nice job with the scare thread.Thats as good as the evangilism threads. I am Pro-Abortion and proud of it. For every bride like you posted,there is an unaborted fetus that grows up to be jeffery damher.
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#22 RaistlinMajere8
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cells are not life. they help make life. thats it.

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#23 Vandalvideo
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Oooh, this is a good opportunity to exercise the ethics I've been studying recently. You can argue against abortion even assuming that a fetus is a person. There are some cases in which, even assuming personhood, the right to life doesn't necessarily override the to bodily autonomy. There is a philosopher making the rounds in the philosophy community right now who has been making this argument through analogy. Her name? Thomson. To steal her examples of; the violinist, the burglar, the innocent bunglar, and the people seeds; The Case of the Violinist: This is one of the first analogies that she developed in saying that life doesn't always supersceede autonomy. Lets say that a group of people love this musician. This musician is dieing unless he gets someone to prolong his health through kidney ventriqulation. In your sleep these peopel come into your house, kidnap you, and hook you up to the musician. When you wake up you find cords going into his body from yours. If you remove those cords, he dies. Rational people feel compelled to say that you have a right to remove those cords, even if it costs the life of the violinist. The case of the burglar: Many opponents of this argument have pointed out disanalogies. In order to answer this, Thomson made this new analogy. Lets say that in the middle of the night you're really hot. In order to relieve yourself you open the window with screens on it. A burglar breaks in through the screens. Your overt actions allowed the burglar to get inside. A rational person should be compelled to say, using right to life, that thou shalt not kill this burglar. The Case of the Innocent Bunglar: The burglar case was full of hostility though, and one might argue that the baby is innocent in comparison. So Thomson made this argument. Let us assume you leave the window open, again, to allow for cold air to get in. A man stumbling down the side walk trips over a crack, falls on your trampoline, and flies through the window. Do you have a right to remove him from the premises at all costs? The case of people seeds: One might argue that the above case doesn't include death. In response to this, Thomson made the following case: Imagine a society full of people plants. These people plants reproduce by spores floating around in the air. These spores like to land in carpets and forms new people plants. In order to prevent spores from coming in, you can either abstain all together from opening the window (abstinence), take the carpeting out (visectomy), put a screen in (which could break), or just allow spores to freely float in. Let us assume that a people plant decides that they need the window open because they think keeping it closed to completely implausible. They install hightech screens to keep out the people spores (condom). Their overt actions are attempting to keep the spores out. Not what happens if this screen breaks and a spore floats in and lands in the carpet. Can you have the spore removed from the carpet? So even assuming that a fetus is a person, the question of right to life over autonomy isn't guaranteed.
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#24 sAndroid17
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I agree, some people don't however, but I pose a question to them. At what point does the child become viable? Cause I don't see how anyone could kill a child after they are viable. ferrari2001
when they are about this big. http://ecostreet.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/baby-gown.jpg
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#25 FirstDiscovery
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[QUOTE="Conjuration"]

What if that 6 day old baby was a product of a 13 year old girl getting raped by her grandfather?
I'm not joking, there is a place for abortion in society.
It's not always so cut and dry.

carrot-cake


Exactly.
Also, what if the person was raped? Must they suffer a child because someone sexually assaulted them?
What guarantees that the person will grow up to be like that? There is none. Not everyone will have a good life and be happy.

Many people who staunchly stand against abortion believe in it in such cases

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#26 ferrari2001
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cells are not life. they help make life. thats it.

RaistlinMajere8
actually scientifically speaking, cells are life. They grow, reproduce, use energy. They are life. Maybe just not sentient. But they are life.
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#27 entropyecho
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I see no real argument here, just an appeal to emotion.gobo212

:lol: at posting in this thread with your avatar

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#28 blackacidevil96
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well in the words of maddox.

i am against abortion, but for killing babies. that way everyone loses and i win.

but really. as far as im concerened. if there is no brain activity. there is no human.

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#29 thepwninator
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It may grow up to be a bum, though... maybe something worse. >.>zakkro
Something far, far worse...like me!

Psychopathy is never a desired trait (though, thankfully, I haven't had any episodes in almost a month now! w00t!).

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#30 k16campbell
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Same here. Its a terrible thing. you should never have to choose to take a life.

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#31 carrot-cake
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[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]

[QUOTE="Conjuration"]

What if that 6 day old baby was a product of a 13 year old girl getting raped by her grandfather?
I'm not joking, there is a place for abortion in society.
It's not always so cut and dry.

FirstDiscovery


Exactly.
Also, what if the person was raped? Must they suffer a child because someone sexually assaulted them?
What guarantees that the person will grow up to be like that? There is none. Not everyone will have a good life and be happy.

Many people who staunchly stand against abortion believe in it in such cases


Exactly! Either you are against it or you arent. No middle ground regarding this topic.

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#32 InterpolWilco
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Abortion is kind of a tough issue for me. I'm very on the fence about it. Its one of those arguments I can't get heated about because I'm not sure what side I'm even 100% on. I've actually written and rewritten this post, and its just something I'm so conflicted about.
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#33 RaistlinMajere8
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[QUOTE="RaistlinMajere8"]

cells are not life. they help make life. thats it.

ferrari2001
actually scientifically speaking, cells are life. They grow, reproduce, use energy. They are life. Maybe just not sentient. But they are life.

my bad i was refering to sentient life. yes. cells help make sentient life
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#34 FUBAR24
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ok so lets say your a girl. you get raped? you would keep your rapists baby. i mean how do you explain that to a child about why it doesnt know its dad.

What if that 6 day old baby was a product of a 13 year old girl getting raped by her grandfather?
I'm not joking, there is a place for abortion in society.
It's not always so cut and dry.

One more thing: The people going for abortions have their reasons. If they were forced to raise a child against their will, you can change that picture of a happy bride to a crackhead in a jail uniform.

Conjuration

i whole-heartedly agree

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#35 efrucht
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tsk tsk! and back in the real world.....

You see, it isn't always so clean-cut. Not every fetus becomes a beautiful child. Some are raised and starved by parents that can't afford them. Some are products of rape, others are born with diseases that make their lives nothing more than a hotbed of pain and suffering. You have to allow for these things and know that although abortion is morally suspect, human beings all deserve the right to be happy.

A son will pull the plug on his dying father, to spare him the agony. I dont see why abortion is any different when used to prevent uneeded suffering.

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#36 FUBAR24
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has anyone else noticed that the OP hasnt returned for a rebuttal?
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#37 hip-hop-cola2
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I can see both sides of the argument (im pro-abortion), and accept them.

I just don't believe in giving "Life" so much value. You can't miss life if it never happend.

If your going to give life SO much value, then why not spawn as many children as possible, infact, get of gamespot, right now, sell you pc, sell your house. Work your entire life and give as much as possible to life saving charitys because there is far worse happening to "life" which is on this earth right now.

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#38 Redgarl
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Another blind fool only taking a look a the first side of the medal...

In my family, one of my aunt... is crazy...

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#39 hip-hop-cola2
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tsk tsk! and back in the real world.....

You see, it isn't always so clean-cut. Not every fetus becomes a beautiful child. Some are raised and starved by parents that can't afford them. Some are products of rape, others are born with diseases that make their lives nothing more than a hotbed of pain and suffering. You have to allow for these things and know that although abortion is morally suspect, human beings all deserve the right to be happy.

A son will pull the plug on his dying father, to spare him the agony. I dont see why abortion is any different when used to prevent uneeded suffering.

efrucht

Even if the parents abuse the child, even if it ends up homeless, maybe it will still live a life worth living. I bet if you asked some of the homeless, or abuse victims, if they would rather not exsist, they would say no.

(Just playingDevil's advocate)

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Unconvincing appeals to emotion are unconvincing...
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#41 mattykovax
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has anyone else noticed that the OP hasnt returned for a rebuttal?FUBAR24
Are you suprised? considering there was no real argument or debatable points,just pretty picture scare tactics.
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[QUOTE="efrucht"]

tsk tsk! and back in the real world.....

You see, it isn't always so clean-cut. Not every fetus becomes a beautiful child. Some are raised and starved by parents that can't afford them. Some are products of rape, others are born with diseases that make their lives nothing more than a hotbed of pain and suffering. You have to allow for these things and know that although abortion is morally suspect, human beings all deserve the right to be happy.

A son will pull the plug on his dying father, to spare him the agony. I dont see why abortion is any different when used to prevent uneeded suffering.

hip-hop-cola2

Even if the parents abuse the child, even if it ends up homeless, maybe it will still live a life worth living. I bet if you asked some of the homeless, or abuse victims, if they would rather not exsist, they would say no.

(Just playingDevil's advocate)

Sure. I still would have been nice of they had been spared that pain. True, sll life is precious, and you are 100% correct in what you just said. So I retract what I said about the starving children. The rest still stands.
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#43 MrGeezer
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I am against abortion because of this:

That is a 6-day old baby.

Who will turn into a four month old baby:

Who will turn into:

Who will grow up to be a bride:

I don't believe that anyone has the right to take away the life of this human being who will grow up to have friends, be happy, feel pain, feel love, and to live life.

McJugga

Okaaay. And your point is...?

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#44 Faber_Fighter
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That bride right there also has the same chance to turn out to be someone like this



Sorry but I reckon your reason against abortion is flawed. I know that there may be some legit reasons to be against abortion, and personally i'm for abortion. But your reason makes no sense. Yes you might be taking away a person's life which could have turned out to be great, but you might also have saved someone who will have a sick and depressed life. I'm not saying you should have an abortion purely because you think your child will have a better life in the "afterlife?" but i just don't see any reason why you would be against abortion for purely your reason.

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#45 elektrixxx
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Yeah, and if you were a woman who got raped and pregnant, then what would you do? I don't think you've thought this through.
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#46 allie2590
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Abortions are none of your business unless you yourself are in that situation. If you don't believe in abortions, then you don't have to have anything to do with them. I suggest you get off your high horse and let other people live their lives.

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#47 Jacobistheman
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That bride right there also has the same chance to turn out to be someone like this



Sorry but I reckon your reason against abortion is flawed. I know that there may be some legit reasons to be against abortion, and personally i'm for abortion. But your reason makes no sense. Yes you might be taking away a person's life which could have turned out to be great, but you might also have saved someone who will have a sick and depressed life. I'm not saying you should have an abortion purely because you think your child will have a better life in the "afterlife?" but i just don't see any reason why you would be against abortion for purely your reason.

Faber_Fighter

So are you saying we should just kill eveyone becuase their life could turn out bad. This is dumb. Also there is always a chance for sick and depressed people to change and they are sick and depressed by their own will, if you kill someone there is no chance to change that and they don't make that choice.

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#48 Jacobistheman
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Abortions are none of your business unless you yourself are in that situation. If you don't believe in abortions, then you don't have to have anything to do with them. I suggest you get off your high horse and let other people live their lives.

allie2590
So with that same logic, If I had a 3 month year old son, I could kill him right? If you say no I suggest you get off your high horse and let other people die becuase it is convent for the parents.
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I agree. However, I am only against abortions used as retro-active birth control. For the more serious issues like mother-health, baby quality of life (genetic disorders or diseases, not living conditions), child rape victims, etc. is more of a grey issue than as black and white as the birth control one.

If you don't want to risk getting pregnant. Keep your legs closed and pants on. If you choose to have sex despite the risks and end up getting pregnant, the child should not have to suffer because you were irresponsible. Step up, take what life has thrown you and make it work (or give it up for adoption so someone who is incapable of having children biologically can be given a chance). No one should be so easily able to get out of a "mistake" like that. It doesn't help that birth control methods aren't freely discussed about and taught in schools.

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#50 Jacobistheman
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[QUOTE="hip-hop-cola2"]

[QUOTE="efrucht"]

tsk tsk! and back in the real world.....

You see, it isn't always so clean-cut. Not every fetus becomes a beautiful child. Some are raised and starved by parents that can't afford them. Some are products of rape, others are born with diseases that make their lives nothing more than a hotbed of pain and suffering. You have to allow for these things and know that although abortion is morally suspect, human beings all deserve the right to be happy.

A son will pull the plug on his dying father, to spare him the agony. I dont see why abortion is any different when used to prevent uneeded suffering.

efrucht

Even if the parents abuse the child, even if it ends up homeless, maybe it will still live a life worth living. I bet if you asked some of the homeless, or abuse victims, if they would rather not exsist, they would say no.

(Just playingDevil's advocate)

Sure. I still would have been nice of they had been spared that pain. True, sll life is precious, and you are 100% correct in what you just said. So I retract what I said about the starving children. The rest still stands.

Well first of all, there are a lot of people who adopt babies who can take care of them. If you can't someone else will. Even if their childhood is hard, you shouldn't kill them becuase of that fact. LIke I said earlier, there is always a chance that a life will get better, and that is the choice of the person living the life. When someone is aborted, they don't have a say, and are gone forever.