They haven't released buddy keys yet.kinda interested in trying this does anyone have a spare buddy key ? :)
dmcguk
FINALLY a Breath of Fresh Air in an MMO...
This topic is locked from further discussion.
Really offtopic here. You pay for a persistent world. You pay to maintain servers, and GMs, and customer service. You pay for patches and bug fixes. You are more than welcome to dismiss my claims and say "You can get all those in F2P stuff!" and I am well aware of it. When I play a MMO and pay monthly I usually dont play other games. I would usually be so bored I'd be buying other games. So in essence by me paying $15 monthly I am saving where as I would be spending $20+ on a new game every month or 2.
In the end its your choice to not pay, Its mine to continue playing. One persons views on the internet is not going to influence me. Agree to disagree.
Back on topic: I liek secret worldz
IxX3xil3d0n3XxI
We pay for servers and GM's and customer service and bug fixes etc, but does that sound enjoyable? I mean, none of that sounds like it's worth my money at all. I would happily pay the box price of an MMO and have the option to subscribe for extra features, but to make it a requirement to be paying nearly £10 a month to play a game I spent £40 on is beyond me.
Also, they can just shut down the servers or close the game down at their lesuire. You don't even own the game you buy (Yes I know you could say that for all games now but at least you can play most of them offline regardless of how the publishers financial situation is)
Long story short, Paying £108 to play a game for a year that you already spent £40 on is just silly.
[QUOTE="IxX3xil3d0n3XxI"]that doesn't solve the problems that 1- combat still looks dull and boring and 2- no game in the world will ever be worth the price of a monthly fee.[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]
Sick of subscription MMO's now. They provide no value for money and anyoen who subscibres obviously dosen't value money.
BrunoBRS
The game atmosphere/setting is far from dull, unless you don't like modern dark settings. Some levels are very well designed and have the whole Alan Wake feel to it.
I can understand people saying the combat is dull, but combat also isn't the primary focus of this MMO.
As for monthly fee, would u pay if Guild Wars 2 had a monthly fee?
you guys should get off Felipeinside's back. i haven't seen him hype or even post about TSW until this thread.lawlessx
Thanks for that lawlessx but just ignore them, they like to make things up for
A) bring their post count up
B) make THEIR posts look better
[QUOTE="IxX3xil3d0n3XxI"]
Really offtopic here. You pay for a persistent world. You pay to maintain servers, and GMs, and customer service. You pay for patches and bug fixes. You are more than welcome to dismiss my claims and say "You can get all those in F2P stuff!" and I am well aware of it. When I play a MMO and pay monthly I usually dont play other games. I would usually be so bored I'd be buying other games. So in essence by me paying $15 monthly I am saving where as I would be spending $20+ on a new game every month or 2.
In the end its your choice to not pay, Its mine to continue playing. One persons views on the internet is not going to influence me. Agree to disagree.
Back on topic: I liek secret worldz
HyperWarlock
We pay for servers and GM's and customer service and bug fixes etc, but does that sound enjoyable? I mean, none of that sounds like it's worth my money at all. I would happily pay the box price of an MMO and have the option to subscribe for extra features, but to make it a requirement to be paying nearly £10 a month to play a game I spent £40 on is beyond me.
Also, they can just shut down the servers or close the game down at their lesuire. You don't even own the game you buy (Yes I know you could say that for all games now but at least you can play most of them offline regardless of how the publishers financial situation is)
Long story short, Paying £108 to play a game for a year that you already spent £40 on is just silly.
Paying $90 for a 6 hour game is worth it then? Look, consider it like a gym membership..... but instead of exercise you get entertainment. Saying that, I personally believe the subscription model is slowly dying. More and more MMOs can't sustain it. In a few years every MMO will be either F2P, or have a much lower monthly sub.
that doesn't solve the problems that 1- combat still looks dull and boring and 2- no game in the world will ever be worth the price of a monthly fee.[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="IxX3xil3d0n3XxI"]
FelipeInside
The game atmosphere/setting is far from dull, unless you don't like modern dark settings. Some levels are very well designed and have the whole Alan Wake feel to it.
I can understand people saying the combat is dull, but combat also isn't the primary focus of this MMO.
As for monthly fee, would u pay if Guild Wars 2 had a monthly fee?
i was commenting on the combat, not the atmosphere. kinda hard to judge atmosphere without actually playing it. but the environments looked pretty meh. might've been the area kevin was on when i watched (some forest on fire thing, everything was very brown and washed out). combat is one of the key interactions with the game. even if the quest requires no bullets, you'll still shoot enemies on your way around. and i answered the GW2 question on another post. no, i would not play guild wars 2 if they charged me 15 dollars a month to play.[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"][QUOTE="IxX3xil3d0n3XxI"]
Really offtopic here. You pay for a persistent world. You pay to maintain servers, and GMs, and customer service. You pay for patches and bug fixes. You are more than welcome to dismiss my claims and say "You can get all those in F2P stuff!" and I am well aware of it. When I play a MMO and pay monthly I usually dont play other games. I would usually be so bored I'd be buying other games. So in essence by me paying $15 monthly I am saving where as I would be spending $20+ on a new game every month or 2.
In the end its your choice to not pay, Its mine to continue playing. One persons views on the internet is not going to influence me. Agree to disagree.
Back on topic: I liek secret worldz
FelipeInside
We pay for servers and GM's and customer service and bug fixes etc, but does that sound enjoyable? I mean, none of that sounds like it's worth my money at all. I would happily pay the box price of an MMO and have the option to subscribe for extra features, but to make it a requirement to be paying nearly £10 a month to play a game I spent £40 on is beyond me.
Also, they can just shut down the servers or close the game down at their lesuire. You don't even own the game you buy (Yes I know you could say that for all games now but at least you can play most of them offline regardless of how the publishers financial situation is)
Long story short, Paying £108 to play a game for a year that you already spent £40 on is just silly.
Paying $90 for a 6 hour game is worth it then? Look, consider it like a gym membership..... but instead of exercise you get entertainment. Saying that, I personally believe the subscription model is slowly dying. More and more MMOs can't sustain it. In a few years every MMO will be either F2P, or have a much lower monthly sub. the problem with the membership comparison is that it doesn't work in this case. 99% of the videogame industry either charges once for the service, or doesn't charge at all. that's much like movies, books, and music. you wouldn't pay an author monthly until he releases his next book, or a director until he releases the sequel to his movie, all while you can re-read/rewatch the book/movie. why? because it's stupid. if you were paying monthly to access a bunch of games, but no. you're paying monthly for the right to keep playing that which you already bought. do the math. every 4 months of subscription, you have money to buy a whole new AAA quality game at launch, or an indie game per month. by the end of a year playing a sub MMO, you've spent enough money to buy a freaking console. and all that money is being paid for what? don't say it's for the bug fixes, you have those in every game out there. don't say it's for the servers, every other game has free online. don't say it's for the new content, because you pay separate for that. don't say the quality, because that is something tied to how the game was made BEFORE you paid for it, and no amount of money thrown at it will make it better. so what are you paying for?[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"][QUOTE="IxX3xil3d0n3XxI"]
Really offtopic here. You pay for a persistent world. You pay to maintain servers, and GMs, and customer service. You pay for patches and bug fixes. You are more than welcome to dismiss my claims and say "You can get all those in F2P stuff!" and I am well aware of it. When I play a MMO and pay monthly I usually dont play other games. I would usually be so bored I'd be buying other games. So in essence by me paying $15 monthly I am saving where as I would be spending $20+ on a new game every month or 2.
In the end its your choice to not pay, Its mine to continue playing. One persons views on the internet is not going to influence me. Agree to disagree.
Back on topic: I liek secret worldz
FelipeInside
We pay for servers and GM's and customer service and bug fixes etc, but does that sound enjoyable? I mean, none of that sounds like it's worth my money at all. I would happily pay the box price of an MMO and have the option to subscribe for extra features, but to make it a requirement to be paying nearly £10 a month to play a game I spent £40 on is beyond me.
Also, they can just shut down the servers or close the game down at their lesuire. You don't even own the game you buy (Yes I know you could say that for all games now but at least you can play most of them offline regardless of how the publishers financial situation is)
Long story short, Paying £108 to play a game for a year that you already spent £40 on is just silly.
Paying $90 for a 6 hour game is worth it then? Look, consider it like a gym membership..... but instead of exercise you get entertainment. Saying that, I personally believe the subscription model is slowly dying. More and more MMOs can't sustain it. In a few years every MMO will be either F2P, or have a much lower monthly sub.1. If I buy a 6 hour game I would normally play the multiplayer for hundreds of hours
2. 90 Dollars adds up to about £60...What PC game costs that much at release?
3. You can always buy you're own gym membership, you can't buy you're own MMO. (Unless you are really well off)
[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]Paying $90 for a 6 hour game is worth it then? Look, consider it like a gym membership..... but instead of exercise you get entertainment. Saying that, I personally believe the subscription model is slowly dying. More and more MMOs can't sustain it. In a few years every MMO will be either F2P, or have a much lower monthly sub. the problem with the membership comparison is that it doesn't work in this case. 99% of the videogame industry either charges once for the service, or doesn't charge at all. that's much like movies, books, and music. you wouldn't pay an author monthly until he releases his next book, or a director until he releases the sequel to his movie, all while you can re-read/rewatch the book/movie. why? because it's stupid. if you were paying monthly to access a bunch of games, but no. you're paying monthly for the right to keep playing that which you already bought. do the math. every 4 months of subscription, you have money to buy a whole new AAA quality game at launch, or an indie game per month. by the end of a year playing a sub MMO, you've spent enough money to buy a freaking console. and all that money is being paid for what? don't say it's for the bug fixes, you have those in every game out there. don't say it's for the servers, every other game has free online. don't say it's for the new content, because you pay separate for that. don't say the quality, because that is something tied to how the game was made BEFORE you paid for it, and no amount of money thrown at it will make it better. so what are you paying for? Have you ever played a free MMO? Yes the server are up but they recieve money in a different way. There are people who will spend 1000s of dollars simply on the cash shops. Even Diablo 3 takes money from people via the RMAH. Forget free MMOs, games with a free online mode run rampant with hackers and bugs galore. When you pay monthly for an MMO, you are paying for the bugs, the content patches, the servers, and the people who have to do all of these things. Let's take a look at SWTOR shall we? It just released it's THIRD big patch into the game. Without the monthly fees, it would sorta be like Diablo 2 where everyone duped and hacked in Battle Net and there were barely any patches released.We pay for servers and GM's and customer service and bug fixes etc, but does that sound enjoyable? I mean, none of that sounds like it's worth my money at all. I would happily pay the box price of an MMO and have the option to subscribe for extra features, but to make it a requirement to be paying nearly £10 a month to play a game I spent £40 on is beyond me.
Also, they can just shut down the servers or close the game down at their lesuire. You don't even own the game you buy (Yes I know you could say that for all games now but at least you can play most of them offline regardless of how the publishers financial situation is)
Long story short, Paying £108 to play a game for a year that you already spent £40 on is just silly.
BrunoBRS
You are just desperate to find something.MBirdy88Maybe, but this MMO at least tries to be different, and succeeds in more ways than one. I see people all the time here on these forums complain when a new MMO comes out that it copies WoW too much.
[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] And once again, WRONG. WRONG1: I don't hype EVERY new MMO. I never hyped either Age of Conan or Warhammer Online. I never hyped Guild Wars 2 and I have the CE preordered. WRONG2: I don't defend SWTOR to hell, it's just that you have SELECTIVE reading and you seem to miss the posts where I say bad things about it.FelipeInside
Looks like I touched a nerve lol
[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]Paying $90 for a 6 hour game is worth it then? Look, consider it like a gym membership..... but instead of exercise you get entertainment. Saying that, I personally believe the subscription model is slowly dying. More and more MMOs can't sustain it. In a few years every MMO will be either F2P, or have a much lower monthly sub. the problem with the membership comparison is that it doesn't work in this case. 99% of the videogame industry either charges once for the service, or doesn't charge at all. that's much like movies, books, and music. you wouldn't pay an author monthly until he releases his next book, or a director until he releases the sequel to his movie, all while you can re-read/rewatch the book/movie. why? because it's stupid. if you were paying monthly to access a bunch of games, but no. you're paying monthly for the right to keep playing that which you already bought. do the math. every 4 months of subscription, you have money to buy a whole new AAA quality game at launch, or an indie game per month. by the end of a year playing a sub MMO, you've spent enough money to buy a freaking console. and all that money is being paid for what? don't say it's for the bug fixes, you have those in every game out there. don't say it's for the servers, every other game has free online. don't say it's for the new content, because you pay separate for that. don't say the quality, because that is something tied to how the game was made BEFORE you paid for it, and no amount of money thrown at it will make it better. so what are you paying for? The comparison with the re-reading of the book is invalid, cause it's the same book. With an MMO u are paying for continuous expansions/patches/addons which have new levels, new monsters, new storylines, new items etc etc etc. Every PERSISTENT MMO will have some type of costs associated with it to maintain the servers. The company can decide to charge that cost through monthly, F2P Plans or Micro-transactions. But like I said before, the monthly sub model is dying out.We pay for servers and GM's and customer service and bug fixes etc, but does that sound enjoyable? I mean, none of that sounds like it's worth my money at all. I would happily pay the box price of an MMO and have the option to subscribe for extra features, but to make it a requirement to be paying nearly £10 a month to play a game I spent £40 on is beyond me.
Also, they can just shut down the servers or close the game down at their lesuire. You don't even own the game you buy (Yes I know you could say that for all games now but at least you can play most of them offline regardless of how the publishers financial situation is)
Long story short, Paying £108 to play a game for a year that you already spent £40 on is just silly.
BrunoBRS
[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]No nerve touched. I just hate when people make up stuff or put words in my mouth to make their post seem more credible. Next time just get ur facts straight. Never made anything up, someone else mentioned it in the thread to... Then you both made it up, but this is Off-Topic so I won't comment on it anymore. If u want to contribute something to the topic feel free to do so, if you want to troll go somewhere else.Looks like I touched a nerve lol
V4LENT1NE
Paying $90 for a 6 hour game is worth it then? Look, consider it like a gym membership..... but instead of exercise you get entertainment. Saying that, I personally believe the subscription model is slowly dying. More and more MMOs can't sustain it. In a few years every MMO will be either F2P, or have a much lower monthly sub.[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]
We pay for servers and GM's and customer service and bug fixes etc, but does that sound enjoyable? I mean, none of that sounds like it's worth my money at all. I would happily pay the box price of an MMO and have the option to subscribe for extra features, but to make it a requirement to be paying nearly £10 a month to play a game I spent £40 on is beyond me.
Also, they can just shut down the servers or close the game down at their lesuire. You don't even own the game you buy (Yes I know you could say that for all games now but at least you can play most of them offline regardless of how the publishers financial situation is)
Long story short, Paying £108 to play a game for a year that you already spent £40 on is just silly.
HyperWarlock
1. If I buy a 6 hour game I would normally play the multiplayer for hundreds of hours
2. 90 Dollars adds up to about £60...What PC game costs that much at release?
3. You can always buy you're own gym membership, you can't buy you're own MMO. (Unless you are really well off)
You can't buy a gym membership, you pay the gym monthly to use it's services.[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] No nerve touched. I just hate when people make up stuff or put words in my mouth to make their post seem more credible. Next time just get ur facts straight.FelipeInsideNever made anything up, someone else mentioned it in the thread to... Then you both made it up, but this is Off-Topic so I won't comment on it anymore. If u want to contribute something to the topic feel free to do so, if you want to troll go somewhere else. Stop taking it so bad, troll accusing is also lame by the way, try harder. I never even said anything insulting to you and look how your acting.
[QUOTE="IxX3xil3d0n3XxI"][QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]
Sick of subscription MMO's now. They provide no value for money and anyoen who subscibres obviously dosen't value money.
BrunoBRS
Thats a bold statement considering 90% of F2P MMOs are crap and also slightly off topic. We arent discussing the sub fee which is no big surprise at this point.
So far in TSW I completed a quest where I had to kill myself to talk with the ghost of a npc.
I had to use "fake" websites(created by Funcom) for information to access a computer.http://orochi-group.com/
Ive had to use a morse code translator to figure out the coordinates of where to go next.
I've even had to use the crafting system to take appart quest items and combine it with other objects ive found on the ground to read a map differently.
All those are only in the first 2 zones, and Im not even done with the 2nd.
Its stuff like that you wont find in other MMOs. Even if the game lasts me 2 months that will be my moneys worth to me.
As another poster said the combat is flat until you invest in a correct build. Here is how my combat works:
I have a sword and assualt rifle, each with different resources. Sword starts at full, I have to build rifle like combo points in WoW. I use 1 sword builder that has a increased chance to penetrate(games 2nd version of crit) and i do extra DMG and get HoTs when I penetrate(just sounds wrong). However because they use TWO SEPERATE resources i can then use TWO SEPERATE finishers. Combined with passives it can create for quite a interesting build.
tldr: Its more complex than you think and if you dont think so you probably only played beta or watched youtube vids/streams. Good job.
that doesn't solve the problems that 1- combat still looks dull and boring and 2- no game in the world will ever be worth the price of a monthly fee. Does #2 have any bias because you love Guild Wars 2 and it has no monthly sub? I'm guessing so.. TSW is great and worth the $15 in order for Funcom to keep the game going. You could spend anywhere from $20-60 for a game per month and end up spending more in that month and a lot more in the course of the year. I strongly believe the monthly subscription argument is like beating a dead horse. Money value wise, you have no argument. And F2P MMO's do not mean they're better. Time and enjoyment matters more and that's where the value comes in.
Then you both made it up, but this is Off-Topic so I won't comment on it anymore. If u want to contribute something to the topic feel free to do so, if you want to troll go somewhere else. Stop taking it so bad, troll accusing is also lame by the way, try harder. I never even said anything insulting to you and look how your acting.[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"] Never made anything up, someone else mentioned it in the thread to...V4LENT1NE
Posting "you mad?" is not relative to the topic at all. Send him a message if you care so much you're wasting space over something so futile.
Back ON TOPIC:
This discussion is devolved into a F2P vs P2P debate. Its nice that people have such passionate views about a measly $15/month, but the topic at hand is The Secret World. Seems like everyone is caught up on the price. I dont understand. You have people refusing to pay for a P2P MMO and you have people using F2P as a almost "insult". "It will go F2P within 6 months." Isnt that what people want?
FFS I am a PC gamer but coming to a common ground between my PC brethren is nigh impossible.
[QUOTE="IxX3xil3d0n3XxI"][QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"] Stop taking it so bad, troll accusing is also lame by the way, try harder. I never even said anything insulting to you and look how your acting.
V4LENT1NE
Posting "you mad?" is not relative to the topic at all. Send him a message if you care so much you're wasting space over something so futile.
Back ON TOPIC:
This discussion is devolved into a F2P vs P2P debate. Its nice that people have such passionate views about a measly $15/month, but the topic at hand is The Secret World. Seems like everyone is caught up on the price. I dont understand. You have people refusing to pay for a P2P MMO and you have people using F2P as a almost "insult". "It will go F2P within 6 months." Isnt that what people want?
FFS I am a PC gamer but coming to a common ground between my PC brethren is nigh impossible.
Look how bad he took it, the first thing I said about him jumping onto new MMOs was relevant, and he decided to take it bad, I was just defending myself and making light of it. Its so interesting that you defend him and also type the exact same way he does, space between the lines, capital letters on the stuff you want to get accross, hmmmmmm.This forum as reached a new level of stupidity if you are possibly suggesting I am a alt account of Felipe. Wow.
edit: and its called punctuation. Dear Christ.
Well, this game looks interesting but given the recent history of MMOs, I'll just wait and see what this game is like 6 months from now. The combat does indeed look pretty dull. Although the environments and story seem very cool, almost wish it were a single player game, I'd probably be more interested.Gooeykat
I do agree. I am worried about the game in the long term. If the game lasts me 2 months I will be happy cause thats when GW2 releases. ATM I guess there is no endgame outside of the same few dungeons on a harder difficulty. The endgame consists of unlocking skills.
So besides a great story and awesome environment, it may lose its luster when you finish those and see the zones.
[QUOTE="Gooeykat"]Well, this game looks interesting but given the recent history of MMOs, I'll just wait and see what this game is like 6 months from now. The combat does indeed look pretty dull. Although the environments and story seem very cool, almost wish it were a single player game, I'd probably be more interested.IxX3xil3d0n3XxI
I do agree. I am worried about the game in the long term. If the game lasts me 2 months I will be happy cause thats when GW2 releases. ATM I guess there is no endgame outside of the same few dungeons on a harder difficulty. The endgame consists of unlocking skills.
So besides a great story and awesome environment, it may lose its luster when you finish those and see the zones.
Funcom has promised that continual updates will be added, with new areas to explore, new storyline branches etc etc. I've noticed a few things people have pointed out on this forum and I shall address them:
- "I've seen videos and the graphics and setting seems dull": believe it or not I thought the same way when watching videos, but once I played it with the final version (where graphics are improved), full on DX11 effects and sound, then it really draws you in. If u don't like this setting, this MMO is not for you.
- "The combat looks dull": combat is probably the weak part of the game but by no means Dull. Once you start unlocking lots of abilities and combining them it's good fun. Like I said before though, this MMO isn't all about combat. If u want combat, go play WoW. If u want story, atmosphere, great sound and IMMERSION, this is for you.
Once more, this MMO is NOT FOR EVERYONE. Those looking for awesome combat and perfect PvP, it's not there yet, but it's nice to see an MMO not concentrating on just that and bringing other aspects forward. But looks like when an MMO attempts something apart from gameplay, it gets bashed on these forums, sigh***
[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="IxX3xil3d0n3XxI"]that doesn't solve the problems that 1- combat still looks dull and boring and 2- no game in the world will ever be worth the price of a monthly fee. Does #2 have any bias because you love Guild Wars 2 and it has no monthly sub? I'm guessing so.. TSW is great and worth the $15 in order for Funcom to keep the game going. You could spend anywhere from $20-60 for a game per month and end up spending more in that month and a lot more in the course of the year. I strongly believe the monthly subscription argument is like beating a dead horse. Money value wise, you have no argument. And F2P MMO's do not mean they're better. Time and enjoyment matters more and that's where the value comes in. no. i've made it clear multiple times that if GW2 had fees, i would not play it. i'm against the policy, and no matter how good i think a game is, i would never pay monthly for it.Thats a bold statement considering 90% of F2P MMOs are crap and also slightly off topic. We arent discussing the sub fee which is no big surprise at this point.
So far in TSW I completed a quest where I had to kill myself to talk with the ghost of a npc.
I had to use "fake" websites(created by Funcom) for information to access a computer.http://orochi-group.com/
Ive had to use a morse code translator to figure out the coordinates of where to go next.
I've even had to use the crafting system to take appart quest items and combine it with other objects ive found on the ground to read a map differently.
All those are only in the first 2 zones, and Im not even done with the 2nd.
Its stuff like that you wont find in other MMOs. Even if the game lasts me 2 months that will be my moneys worth to me.
As another poster said the combat is flat until you invest in a correct build. Here is how my combat works:
I have a sword and assualt rifle, each with different resources. Sword starts at full, I have to build rifle like combo points in WoW. I use 1 sword builder that has a increased chance to penetrate(games 2nd version of crit) and i do extra DMG and get HoTs when I penetrate(just sounds wrong). However because they use TWO SEPERATE resources i can then use TWO SEPERATE finishers. Combined with passives it can create for quite a interesting build.
tldr: Its more complex than you think and if you dont think so you probably only played beta or watched youtube vids/streams. Good job.
Elann2008
[QUOTE="IxX3xil3d0n3XxI"]
[QUOTE="Gooeykat"]Well, this game looks interesting but given the recent history of MMOs, I'll just wait and see what this game is like 6 months from now. The combat does indeed look pretty dull. Although the environments and story seem very cool, almost wish it were a single player game, I'd probably be more interested.FelipeInside
I do agree. I am worried about the game in the long term. If the game lasts me 2 months I will be happy cause thats when GW2 releases. ATM I guess there is no endgame outside of the same few dungeons on a harder difficulty. The endgame consists of unlocking skills.
So besides a great story and awesome environment, it may lose its luster when you finish those and see the zones.
Funcom has promised that continual updates will be added, with new areas to explore, new storyline branches etc etc. I've noticed a few things people have pointed out on this forum and I shall address them:
- "I've seen videos and the graphics and setting seems dull": believe it or not I thought the same way when watching videos, but once I played it with the final version (where graphics are improved), full on DX11 effects and sound, then it really draws you in. If u don't like this setting, this MMO is not for you.
- "The combat looks dull": combat is probably the weak part of the game but by no means Dull. Once you start unlocking lots of abilities and combining them it's good fun. Like I said before though, this MMO isn't all about combat. If u want combat, go play WoW. If u want story, atmosphere, great sound and IMMERSION, this is for you.
Once more, this MMO is NOT FOR EVERYONE. Those looking for awesome combat and perfect PvP, it's not there yet, but it's nice to see an MMO not concentrating on just that and bringing other aspects forward. But looks like when an MMO attempts something apart from gameplay, it gets bashed on these forums, sigh***
Until I actually see the updates I will be skeptical. I hope its just not a endless zone grind. What happens when you unlock all abilities though?
Jesus Christ himself could make a game and people would bash it. EVERYTHING gets bashed. There is absoutely no pleasing the majority of PC gamers. "What free expansion? Not enough stuff in it." fail.
^^ Unlocking all 500 abilities would take years to achieve.
As for grind, I've played 3 hrs so far and haven't felt grind yet. There of course are the occasional fetch missions but what MMO doesn't have those? For example there was one where I had to kill 5 zombies, but the difference was it was in TIERS. The first tier was kill 5 zombies, second was investigate how they are becoming zombies, third and fourth do some testing (like light them on fire), 5th was get to the bottom of it (as in kill the Zombie Boss).
It's more about re-arranging and mix-maxing different builds. You also have 3 races/factions with different stories and starter areas.
After a while I'm sure they'll add more abilities, new factions even etc. I hope it succeeds. Not because I'm playing it, but because we need more MMOs that try to venture out of the common path. I'm sick of fantasy ones at the moment. This truly is a breath of fresh air, even if it has it's issues (which MMO doesn't at launch).
I am kind of interested in the game. I would prefer a sandbox MMO but at least it's skill-based so that's a step in the right direction. I'll wait for a trial or for the price to drop before I check it out. I am done paying full price for MMORPGs.
On a side note, to those complaining about spending a measly $15 a month on a game subscription, I'd suggest finding a job. Hell, you probably blow more cash double fisting pink slime into your gullet at McDonalds or another, equally crappy, fast food joint in a week.
[QUOTE="Elann2008"]No, not yet. I'm hoping they will soon.airshocker
I want to try it but I can't justify spending 50 dollars on Funcom until I'm positive it's something I'd enjoy. I'm also not willing to be a paid beta tester like I was in Age of Conan.
There's a buddy key system that will allow you to try it. If you still want one, send me a pm. I'll help get you started.it's not about not having the money. it's about paying for something you shouldn't. if you had 15 dollars to spare every month, would you be fine if i took them for myself for no reason? of course not. but if so, i'm giving you my paypal account so you can start paying.I am kind of interested in the game. I would prefer a sandbox MMO but at least it's skill-based so that's a step in the right direction. I'll wait for a trial or for the price to drop before I check it out. I am done paying full price for MMORPGs.
On a side note, to those complaining about spending a measly $15 a month on a game subscription, I'd suggest finding a job. Hell, you probably blow more cash double fisting pink slime into your gullet at McDonalds or another, equally crappy, fast food joint in a week.
-wildflower-
And how many modern 8-hour'ish games have you bought the past few years? Games nowadays are veyr short on content and cost 60 bucks, how do you justify that? Gaming is really a waste of time and money at its core. Its a purely selfish hobby that brings nothing to the people closest around you. So don't go off ragging about how folks who subbed to MMOs don't value money when you are doing exactly the same, if not worse by paying 60 bucks for games that you can finish in 1 or a few playthroughs.Sick of subscription MMO's now. They provide no value for money and anyone who subscribes obviously dosen't value money.
HyperWarlock
[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]And how many modern 8-hour'ish games have you bought the past few years? Games nowadays are veyr short on content and cost 60 bucks, how do you justify that? Gaming is really a waste of time and money at its core. Its a purely selfish hobby that brings nothing to the people closest around you. So don't go off ragging about how folks who subbed to MMOs don't value money when you are doing exactly the same, if not worse by paying 60 bucks for games that you can finish in 1 or a few playthroughs. i don't know about you, but games have to be pretty damn good and lasting if they want me to spend full price on it. sales and price drops are such a common thing nowadays that you'd have to be stupid to buy every game at $60, especially the shorter ones. and i didn't know entertainment was a waste of time. guess i might stop with the books and movies too.Sick of subscription MMO's now. They provide no value for money and anyone who subscribes obviously dosen't value money.
mirgamer
[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]it's not about not having the money. it's about paying for something you shouldn't. if you had 15 dollars to spare every month, would you be fine if i took them for myself for no reason? of course not. but if so, i'm giving you my paypal account so you can start paying.I am kind of interested in the game. I would prefer a sandbox MMO but at least it's skill-based so that's a step in the right direction. I'll wait for a trial or for the price to drop before I check it out. I am done paying full price for MMORPGs.
On a side note, to those complaining about spending a measly $15 a month on a game subscription, I'd suggest finding a job. Hell, you probably blow more cash double fisting pink slime into your gullet at McDonalds or another, equally crappy, fast food joint in a week.
BrunoBRS
If you provide me with a service that I deem worth $15 a month, sure, send me your Paypal account. Paying for servers, content updates, support, bandwidth, etc., isn't free. Personally, I'd much rather pay $15 up front each month than be nickle-and-dimed to death like most of the "free to play" games.
it's not about not having the money. it's about paying for something you shouldn't. if you had 15 dollars to spare every month, would you be fine if i took them for myself for no reason? of course not. but if so, i'm giving you my paypal account so you can start paying.[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="-wildflower-"]
I am kind of interested in the game. I would prefer a sandbox MMO but at least it's skill-based so that's a step in the right direction. I'll wait for a trial or for the price to drop before I check it out. I am done paying full price for MMORPGs.
On a side note, to those complaining about spending a measly $15 a month on a game subscription, I'd suggest finding a job. Hell, you probably blow more cash double fisting pink slime into your gullet at McDonalds or another, equally crappy, fast food joint in a week.
-wildflower-
If you provide me with a service that I deem worth $15 a month, sure, send me your Paypal account. Paying for servers, content updates, support, bandwidth, etc., isn't free. Personally, I'd much rather pay $15 up front each month than be nickle-and-dimed to death like most of the "free to play" games.
i've given an example of a game that was extremely profitable, extremely well regarded by players and critics alike, and far cheaper on the player side because it had no fees. the company, far from going bankrupt for not charging monthly for server maintenance, got so much money they're working on a sequel. they maintained all the online infrastructure with money from sales and costume selling only. so what's the excuse?[QUOTE="mirgamer"][QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]And how many modern 8-hour'ish games have you bought the past few years? Games nowadays are veyr short on content and cost 60 bucks, how do you justify that? Gaming is really a waste of time and money at its core. Its a purely selfish hobby that brings nothing to the people closest around you. So don't go off ragging about how folks who subbed to MMOs don't value money when you are doing exactly the same, if not worse by paying 60 bucks for games that you can finish in 1 or a few playthroughs. i don't know about you, but games have to be pretty damn good and lasting if they want me to spend full price on it. sales and price drops are such a common thing nowadays that you'd have to be stupid to buy every game at $60, especially the shorter ones. and i didn't know entertainment was a waste of time. guess i might stop with the books and movies too. What is "good and lasting" for you is a completely subjective issue, for some playing farmville all day long is "good and lasting" as well, so why bother bringing your own preferences as a point? For the TS, the TSW is providing good and lasting value for him but apparently people are unhappy of that fact and are obviously trying to rile him up. What I don't get is people being all snobby just because they don't enjoy a game or genre that others do. I mean whats the deal here?Sick of subscription MMO's now. They provide no value for money and anyone who subscribes obviously dosen't value money.
BrunoBRS
[QUOTE="-wildflower-"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] it's not about not having the money. it's about paying for something you shouldn't. if you had 15 dollars to spare every month, would you be fine if i took them for myself for no reason? of course not. but if so, i'm giving you my paypal account so you can start paying.BrunoBRS
If you provide me with a service that I deem worth $15 a month, sure, send me your Paypal account. Paying for servers, content updates, support, bandwidth, etc., isn't free. Personally, I'd much rather pay $15 up front each month than be nickle-and-dimed to death like most of the "free to play" games.
i've given an example of a game that was extremely profitable, extremely well regarded by players and critics alike, and far cheaper on the player side because it had no fees. the company, far from going bankrupt for not charging monthly for server maintenance, got so much money they're working on a sequel. they maintained all the online infrastructure with money from sales and costume selling only. so what's the excuse?The prices of the costumes you mentioned pretty much balanced it out to a monthly sub. What would happen if no one ever bought anything from the shop? There wouldnt be a sequel.
i've given an example of a game that was extremely profitable, extremely well regarded by players and critics alike, and far cheaper on the player side because it had no fees. the company, far from going bankrupt for not charging monthly for server maintenance, got so much money they're working on a sequel. they maintained all the online infrastructure with money from sales and costume selling only. so what's the excuse?BrunoBRS
Which game was that (sorry I haven't read this whole silly thread too closely - a bit tipsy)?
Was it, by chance, Guild Wars? If it was, sorry, but that ain't a MMORPG. It's not a persistent world. It's freakin' Diablo 2 with a chat room filled with avatars. There's a big difference between Guild Wars and a MMORPG. It's the old apples and French ticklers argument. Now, Guild Wars 2 might be different but I haven't played it so I can't comment but, from what I've read, GW2 will be an actual online persistent world.
i've given an example of a game that was extremely profitable, extremely well regarded by players and critics alike, and far cheaper on the player side because it had no fees. the company, far from going bankrupt for not charging monthly for server maintenance, got so much money they're working on a sequel. they maintained all the online infrastructure with money from sales and costume selling only. so what's the excuse?[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="-wildflower-"]
If you provide me with a service that I deem worth $15 a month, sure, send me your Paypal account. Paying for servers, content updates, support, bandwidth, etc., isn't free. Personally, I'd much rather pay $15 up front each month than be nickle-and-dimed to death like most of the "free to play" games.
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The prices of the costumes you mentioned pretty much balanced it out to a monthly sub. What would happen if no one ever bought anything from the shop? There wouldnt be a sequel.
the point is, it's something optional, something completely cosmetic (so no "pay to win" here), and more importantly, something that only a fraction of the players paid for, and the company still made a large profit from the game.[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]i've given an example of a game that was extremely profitable, extremely well regarded by players and critics alike, and far cheaper on the player side because it had no fees. the company, far from going bankrupt for not charging monthly for server maintenance, got so much money they're working on a sequel. they maintained all the online infrastructure with money from sales and costume selling only. so what's the excuse?-wildflower-
Which game was that (sorry I haven't read this whole silly thread too closely - a bit tipsy)?
Was it, by chance, Guild Wars? If it was, sorry, but that ain't a MMORPG. It's not a persistent world. It's freakin' Diablo 2 with a chat room filled with avatars. There's a big difference between Guild Wars and a MMORPG. It's the old apples and French ticklers argument. Now, Guild Wars 2 might be different but I haven't played it so I can't comment but, from what I've read, GW2 will be an actual online persistent world.
correct, i'm talking about guild wars, and correct, it is no MMO. but it's just as demanding on the server side, because all of the game is hosted online, it got all the major updates you'd expect from an MMO. from the costs to the company's perspective, guild wars behaved exactly like an MMO. and yes, GW2 will be an actual MMO (as in "it has persistent worlds"), and once again adopt the "buy once and own the game with no fees" system, with a cash shop that provides only cosmetic stuff.Please Log In to post.
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