Alan Wake looks better than Unchrted 2 or not ?

So, after the review there is a feeling that alan wake has ont got good graphic, when in fact has been praised for them by all sites

Now, lets break it down

Alan Wake has:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAM_gx5qH8g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOBN04saU4I&feature=related

- huge scale, some levels are totally open and vast

- huge actual forests, with thick foliage and amazing detailall around you,you can even get lost in them

- weather effects and phsyics that affects all thoe huge detail in the world, foliage etc

- advanced volumetric lighting effects, with volume shadows too

- the most realistic looking water i have seen

- great filters that make even the most distant of foliage look amazing and everything look smooth

Uncharted 2 has

- great textures

- higher resolution

Alan Wake downfalls

- lower resolution, which does not really show much because of advanced next gen filters (it is nver like Halo 3 for example)

- some lower resolution textures close up, noticable in a few occasions the camera gets in the wrong position

Unchartd 2 downfalls

- tiny leves and minly moving in coriddors

- no advanced volumetric lighting

- no real forests or foliage mainly painted around levels

So, can you name one as winner ? And by what standards ?

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http://gamingtrend.com/Reviews/review/review.php?ReviewID=1434
Graphics: 97

http://www.xxlgaming.com/staffreview.asp?gameID=520
GRAPHICS 95

http://chud.com/articles/articles/23622/1/MCP-REVIEW-ALAN-WAKE/Page1.html
The environments are truly breathtaking

http://www.xboxaddict.com/Staff-Review/Xbox-360/13251/Alan-Wake.html
Visuals: 9.2 / 10

http://www.hardgame2.com/x360/articulo-4663alan-wake-analisis-review-xbox-360-accion-remedy.html&page=6
Graphics 9.5

http://www.planetxbox360.com/article_10462/Alan_Wake_Review/2
Graphics 9

IGN UK
9.5 Graphics

http://www.todojuegos.com/review996-6.html
Graficos: 9.5

http://www.consolewars.de/messageboard/showpost.php?p=3240533&postcount=3979
Gamepro.de
Graphics: 10/10

http://www.todoxbox360.com/foros/analisis-alan-wake-t92571.html?
Graficos: 9.5/10

http://forum.alanwake.com/showthread.php?t=3552&page=13
Gamer365(Hungarian) Alan Wake 9.5/10

http://www.vandal.net/analisis/x360/alan-wake/4659
Graphics 9.1

http://www.3djuegos.com/index.php?zona=juegos-analisis&id_juego=1067&page=3&juego=alan-wake
Graphics 9

http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/alan_wake/review.html
Graphics 9

http://www.meristation.com/v3/des_analisis.php?pic=360&id=cw4bdad4db07af5&idj=cw428b9666581b2&idp=&tipo=art&c=1&pos=5
Visualmente bellisimo, con elementos sorprendentes.

http://www.destructoid.com/review-alan-wake-172808.phtml
The game has a fantastic and evocative artistic **** and there are some wonderful setpieces and lighting.

http://worthplaying.com/article/2010/5/5/reviews/74085/
When you're not engaged in nighttime combat, Alan Wake offers players stunning visuals of the Pacific Northwest. Natural vistasare rendered superbly, with soaring mountaintops and lush treetops. By and large, Alan Wake is a visually gorgeous game and one that serves to showcase the visual prowess of the Xbox 360.

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/alan-wake/review/
Graphics 9

IGN US
Graphics 9

http://nzgamer.com/x360/reviews/1090/alan-wake.html
Graphics 9

http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/xbox/games/152016.Alan-Wake/reviews/134843.Alan-Wake/
A beautifully crafted world, stunningly presented

http://www.gamepro.com/article/reviews/215060/alan-wake/
gorgeous environments

http://www.411mania.com/games/reviews/137949
Graphics look amazing throughout the game.

http://www.co-optimus.com/article/3878/alan-wake-the-review.html
Bright Falls feels like an eerily realistic setting for the horror that unfolds before you

http://news.filefront.com/alan-wake-review/
Beautiful lighting - Immersive setting

http://www.itwire.com/reviews/entertainment/38807?start=3
Exceptional graphics

http://www.perezstart.com/microsoft/xbox360-microsoft/review-alan-wake/10281/
Locations, both man-made and natural, all look amazingly realistic, and the changes in weather and time of day are very well done.

http://loudmouthedgamers.com/blog/2010/05/05/alan-wake-review/
Graphics: The imagery inside the game can be breathtaking.
Every area looks like a natural environment that looks like it was painstakingly created.

http://www.justpushstart.com/2010/05/05/alan-wake-review/
For an Xbox 360 game, Alan Wake has pushed the limits of the console by rendering a very crisp and detailed environment.

http://www.aeropause.com/2010/05/review-alan-wake-xbox-360/
Yes, the lighting effects are amazing in Alan Wake

http://techland.com/2010/05/05/to-fall-into-darkness-techland-reviews-alan-wake/
If Beauty Is In the Eye of the Beholder, Then This Game Is: Hypnotically Moody.
While the sun is up, Bright Falls looks like a peaceful, quaint tourist town in the Pacific Northwest. It makes you want to visit that part of the country.

http://www.incgamers.com/Reviews/1051/alan-wake-review/2
Atmospheric, gorgeous

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=245293
Beautiful, believable world, gorgeous visuals

http://www.gamezone.de/reviews_detail.asp?gameid=27005&spn=4
Graphics 9/10

http://www.spaziogames.it/recensioni_videogiochi/console_xbox360/10376/alan-wake.aspx
Graphics 9/10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0NDmTM7ywU&

http://www.destructoid.com/the-daily-hotness-wake-up-172994.phtml

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOBN04saU4I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlH1yvVMYMg&feature=related

So, after the review there is a feeling that alan wake has ont got good graphic, when in fact has been praised for them by all sites

Now, lets break it down

Alan Wake has:

- huge scale, some levels are totally open and vast

- huge actual forests, with thick foliage and amazing detailall around you,you can even get lost in them

- weather effects and phsyics that affects all thoe huge detail in the world, foliage etc

- advanced volumetric lighting effects, with volume shadows too

- the most realistic looking water i have seen

- great filters that make even the most distant of foliage look amazing and everything look smooth

Uncharted 2 has

- great textures

- higher resolution

Alan Wake downfalls

- lower resolution, which does not really show much because of advanced next gen filters (it is nver like Halo 3 for example)

- some lower resolution textures close up, noticable in a few occasions the camera gets in the wrong position

Unchartd 2 downfalls

- tiny leves and minly moving in coriddors

- no advanced volumetric lighting

- no real forests or foliage mainly painted around levels

So, can you name one as winner ? And by what standards ?

theseekar

Uncharted 2. It has 403,200 more pixels.

Uncharted 2. It has 403,200 more pixels.

Esnedon

I can play Pac man 3D in 1900x1080 on my PC, having 1.000.000 more pixels than Uncharted 2, does that make it better looking?

Maybe if Alan Wake would have been on pc. 1080p (in my case 1680x1050) ftw.

No,Alan Wake looks good but not as good as Uncharted 2.Arach666

How so, when in most aspects like scale, foliage and lighting, Uncharted 2is so far behind ?

Well, i would like some expaination and comment on my post, a well backed up opinion, that is

No,Alan Wake looks good but not as good as Uncharted 2.Arach666

Neither has 120,000 leaves per tree, so they both lose.

[QUOTE="Arach666"]No,Alan Wake looks good but not as good as Uncharted 2.theseekar

How so, when in most aspects like scale, foliage and lighting, Uncharted 2is so far behind ?

Well, i would like some expaination and comment on my post, a well backed up opinion, that is

Since were talking about visuals only..

IGN

AW 9.0

Graphics

Stellar lighting effect and environmental design foster an atmosphere of authenticity to make the scares and thrills more affecting.

Uncharted 2 10.0

Graphics

Absolutely the best of the best these days. Your jaw will drop.

They both look great though.

[QUOTE="Arach666"]No,Alan Wake looks good but not as good as Uncharted 2.jasonharris48

But suggesting resolution and textures are more important than next gen lighting, physics, huge scale and thic foliage/forests is just an opinion, far from a proof

Since were talking about visuals only..

IGN

AW 9.0

Graphics

Stellar lighting effect and environmental design foster an atmosphere of authenticity to make the scares and thrills more affecting.

Uncharted 2 10.0

Graphics

Absolutely the best of the best these days. Your jaw will drop.

They both look great though.

___gamemaster__

But Uncharted 2 came before Alan Wake, so standards have changed since, scores are just another opinion though

So, any PROOF that Uncharted 2 looks better ? Because Alan Wake looks a lot better to me

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"]No,Alan Wake looks good but not as good as Uncharted 2.theseekar

But suggesting resolution and textures are more important than next gen lighting, physics, huge scale and thic foliage/forests is just an opinion, far from a proof

Uncharted 2. It has 403,200 more pixels.

Esnedon

And up to 10 players at time in the mp.

Alan Wake doesn't even look better than Gears of War 2.

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"] My thoughts exactly.

jasonharris48

But suggesting resolution and textures are more important than next gen lighting, physics, huge scale and thic foliage/forests is just an opinion, far from a proof

Uncharted 2 areas are tiny comparing to Alan Wake open places, that is a fact, Uncharted 2 pulls fake huge scale, Alan wake one is actual places you can go and walk in

[QUOTE="___gamemaster__"]

Since were talking about visuals only..

IGN

AW 9.0

Graphics

Stellar lighting effect and environmental design foster an atmosphere of authenticity to make the scares and thrills more affecting.

Uncharted 2 10.0

Graphics

Absolutely the best of the best these days. Your jaw will drop.

They both look great though.

theseekar

But Uncharted 2 came before Alan Wake, so standards have changed since, scores are just another opinion though

So, any PROOF that Uncharted 2 looks better ? Because Alan Wake looks a lot better to me

I'm sure the standards have not changed very much in only 8 months, especially considering Uncharted 2 is still the best looking game on consoles. You may like the way Alan Wake looks more so than Uncharted, but technically Uncharted 2's graphics are more advanced.

I happen to like the look of Killzone 2's graphics/arts tyle more than Uncharted, but that doesn't mean that they are better

Alan Wake level are not big, because you cant explore the mountains you see. AW looks on par with RE5 according to Kevin VKevinButlerVP

Oh, yes, you can explore vast open places, it is not only coriddors like Uncharted 2

Have you played it BTW ?

Whats with you and foliage?!

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

But suggesting resolution and textures are more important than next gen lighting, physics, huge scale and thic foliage/forests is just an opinion, far from a proof

Uncharted 2 areas are tiny comparing to Alan Wake open places, that is a fact, Uncharted 2 pulls fake huge scale, Alan wake one is actual places you can go and walk in

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

But suggesting resolution and textures are more important than next gen lighting, physics, huge scale and thic foliage/forests is just an opinion, far from a proof

theseekar

Uncharted 2 areas are tiny comparing to Alan Wake open places, that is a fact, Uncharted 2 pulls fake huge scale, Alan wake one is actual places you can go and walk in

I'm sure the standards have not changed very much in only 8 months, especially considering Uncharted 2 is still the best looking game on consoles. You may like the way Alan Wake looks more so than Uncharted, but technically Uncharted 2's graphics are more advanced.

I happen to like the look of Killzone 2's graphics/arts tyle more than Uncharted, but that doesn't mean that they are better

BPoole96

You dont tell me how Uncharted 2's graphics are more advanced though, when it has smaller scale, no forests and no volumetric lighting ?

[QUOTE="___gamemaster__"]

Since were talking about visuals only..

IGN

AW 9.0

Graphics

Stellar lighting effect and environmental design foster an atmosphere of authenticity to make the scares and thrills more affecting.

Uncharted 2 10.0

Graphics

Absolutely the best of the best these days. Your jaw will drop.

They both look great though.

theseekar

But Uncharted 2 came before Alan Wake, so standards have changed since, scores are just another opinion though

So, any PROOF that Uncharted 2 looks better ? Because Alan Wake looks a lot better to me

"Alan wake looks a lot bette to me". That is your proof?

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"] Uncharted 2 beats Alan Wake in physics though. As for the "huge scale" both titles tired to pull that so called "big slace" levels but titles are very linear.

jasonharris48

Uncharted 2 areas are tiny comparing to Alan Wake open places, that is a fact, Uncharted 2 pulls fake huge scale, Alan wake one is actual places you can go and walk in

Well, when you play Alan Wake, and get to explore whole mountain sides and rolling hills, then you will know it is 100x bigger i walkable area than Uncharted 2 in its levels

Even though alot of things in UC2 is prebaked its obviously the better looking game.

"Alan wake looks a lot bette to me". That is your proof?

Nohtnym

Nope, the proof is in the first post, i valuethickfoliage, real forests, next gen dynamic volumetric lighting and huge walkable areas and exploration more than tiny spaces like coriddors, with just a bit better resolution and textures and nothing like those perks Alan Wake has

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

Uncharted 2 areas are tiny comparing to Alan Wake open places, that is a fact, Uncharted 2 pulls fake huge scale, Alan wake one is actual places you can go and walk in

Well, when you play Alan Wake, and get to explore whole mountain sides and rolling hills, then you will know it is 100x bigger i walkable area than Uncharted 2 in its levels

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I'm sure the standards have not changed very much in only 8 months, especially considering Uncharted 2 is still the best looking game on consoles. You may like the way Alan Wake looks more so than Uncharted, but technically Uncharted 2's graphics are more advanced.

I happen to like the look of Killzone 2's graphics/arts tyle more than Uncharted, but that doesn't mean that they are better

theseekar

You dont tell me how Uncharted 2's graphics are more advanced though, when it has smaller scale, no forests and no volumetric lighting ?

dude give it up it's embarassing to watch you fight a losing battle.

it's like watching a dog get hit by a car and struggle to walk hopping.

sad and hopeless.

Whats with you and foliage?!

Zaibach

If it had been Prince of Borneo: The Forgotten Leaves, it would have been AAAA.

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"] The levels in Alan Wake were not that big though (same goes for Uncharted 2). Both titles pull off a false sense of huge scale levels.

KevinButlerVP

Well, when you play Alan Wake, and get to explore whole mountain sides and rolling hills, then you will know it is 100x bigger i walkable area than Uncharted 2 in its levels

Have you actually played the game ? Any comments on the farm size near the end ? Because i was driving a car around whole mountains and hills to find the next objctive there

How come you "missed" that spot ? And is not the only one

There is nothign like that in Uncarted 2, sorry

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

Whats with you and foliage?!

shinrabanshou

If it had been Prince of Borneo: The Forgotten Leaves, it would have been AAAA.

Foliage is one of the heardest thigns to do right, due to complexity, it is what Crysis is basically praised for the most

People CARE about foliage, only fanboys with games that has not got any pretend to not care

ROFL I've never seen someone tries this hard. I doubt this guy has even played both games.

ROFL I've never seen someone tries this hard. I doubt this guy has even played both games.

Gxgear

Oh yes, i have, that is how i know Uncharted 2 is so far behind Alan Wake in scale, foliage and lighting

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"][QUOTE="theseekar"]

Well, when you play Alan Wake, and get to explore whole mountain sides and rolling hills, then you will know it is 100x bigger i walkable area than Uncharted 2 in its levels

theseekar

Have you actually played the game ? Any comments on the farm size near the end ? Because i was driving a car around whole mountains and hills to find the next objctive there

How come you "missed" that spot ? And is not the only one

There is nothign like that in Uncarted 2, sorry

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

Whats with you and foliage?!

theseekar

If it had been Prince of Borneo: The Forgotten Leaves, it would have been AAAA.

Foliage is one of the heardest thigns to do right, due to complexity, it is what Crysis is basically praised for the most

People CARE about foliage, only fanboys with games that has not got any pretend to not care

This again!?

Foliage this, foliage that, blinded by foliage. Are you a botanist or something?

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I'm sure the standards have not changed very much in only 8 months, especially considering Uncharted 2 is still the best looking game on consoles. You may like the way Alan Wake looks more so than Uncharted, but technically Uncharted 2's graphics are more advanced.

I happen to like the look of Killzone 2's graphics/arts tyle more than Uncharted, but that doesn't mean that they are better

theseekar

You dont tell me how Uncharted 2's graphics are more advanced though, when it has smaller scale, no forests and no volumetric lighting ?

So a game has to have a large scale (which Alan Wake's is not even anything impressive), forests (?), and volumetric lighting to look better than another? I'm pretty sure the overall concensus of SW is that Uncharted 2 is better. You can still be the only one to think AW is better

I don't think it's even close, U2 to this day is still unmatched on consoles.W1NGMAN-

And where is the proof ?

It has worst lighting and nowhere near the foliage and scale of Alan Wake

This again!?

Foliage this, foliage that, blinded by foliage. Are you a botanist or something?

tmntPunchout

ehm, you mean Crysis looks crap or something ?

theseekar lol wasn't fable 2 a while back da graphic king now AW is your new prodige :D

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]I don't think it's even close, U2 to this day is still unmatched on consoles.theseekar

And where is the proof ?

It has worst lighting and nowhere near the foliage and scale of Alan Wake

Alan Wake has no where near the scale of RDR. RDR > Alan Wake.

So a game has to have a large scale (which Alan Wake's is not even anything impressive), forests (?), and volumetric lighting to look better than another? I'm pretty sure the overall concensus of SW is that Uncharted 2 is better. You can still be the only one to think AW is better

BPoole96

Well, if it has those, yes, it would look host lot better

Crysis has huge scale, forests and volumetric lighting and is considered hands down the best looking game, am i wrong ?

[QUOTE="tmntPunchout"]

This again!?

Foliage this, foliage that, blinded by foliage. Are you a botanist or something?

theseekar

ehm, you mean Crysis looks crap or something ?

No it does everything else better than every other game as well. Alan Wake probably has the best lighting than any console game and your dumb leaves maybe. It doesn't excel in other technical graphic categories compared to say, ME2, GeoW2, KZ2, and UC2.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

Whats with you and foliage?!

theseekar

If it had been Prince of Borneo: The Forgotten Leaves, it would have been AAAA.

Foliage is one of the heardest thigns to do right, due to complexity, it is what Crysis is basically praised for the most

People CARE about foliage, only fanboys with games that has not got any pretend to not care

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

So a game has to have a large scale (which Alan Wake's is not even anything impressive), forests (?), and volumetric lighting to look better than another? I'm pretty sure the overall concensus of SW is that Uncharted 2 is better. You can still be the only one to think AW is better

theseekar

Well, if it has those, yes, it would look host lot better

Crysis has huge scale, forests and volumetric lighting and is considered hands down the best looking game, am i wrong ?

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

So a game has to have a large scale (which Alan Wake's is not even anything impressive), forests (?), and volumetric lighting to look better than another? I'm pretty sure the overall concensus of SW is that Uncharted 2 is better. You can still be the only one to think AW is better

theseekar

Well, if it has those, yes, it would look host lot better

Crysis has huge scale, forests and volumetric lighting and is considered hands down the best looking game, am i wrong ?

So if Crysis 2 comes along and its scale isn't as big as Crysis 1, and takes place in the city (no forests), it can under no circumstance look better than Crysis 1? I mean, according to you, scale, plants, and lighting are all that matters