Alienware, why the hate?

[QUOTE="TommyBarban"]

[QUOTE="shadowchronicle"]-Overpriced -Pre-built Hermits don't like pre-built stuff. They'll tell you to gtfo and customize a computer.blue_hazy_basic

That's what I thought, the tech savvy part of the hermit is what empowers him. The hermits do not want to be associated with a new breed of hybrid folk, pc gamers with console ethics.

I made a thread last week about Sega teaming up with Atari and Playmore to release a new console, nodody called me a troll and it ran for two pages. That was weird, but really this thread is serious, I am trying to understand the hermit, I prefer the name warlock but hey. I am thinking of buying a rig so I need info on some subjects such as this.

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]Not to mention PS4 will have GPU more powerful than 7850 that is in the comparison.faizan_faizan

Thanks for proving my point, i guess. :roll:

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] Alienware site is stupid, It says 660 here. http://www.alienware.com/Landings/desktops.aspxbobbetybob

 

I made a thread last week about Sega teaming up with Atari and Playmore to release a new console, nodody called me a troll and it ran for two pages. That was weird, but really this thread is serious, I am trying to understand the hermit, I prefer the name warlock but hey. I am thinking of buying a rig so I need info on some subjects such as this.

TommyBarban

If you want a hardware build advice you should ask on the PC hardware board, those guys know their stuff and will provide you with a great rig for any budget and need.

I can't speak for the others on here, but here's my reason. Alienware used to be a great PC to own. Cutting edge, state of the art, and hand built. Sure they were expensive, but they were built like a hobbyist would built their computer. Then Dell bought them out, and the only thing that remained was the high price. Now it's basically just a more expensive Dell in a different case. It's the Apple of the PC world. 

Overpriced? for people who have the money its just another tool to show off. Just like any High End Gaming rig. Which is why so many Hard Core PC gamers have their rig specs in their avatar. Or are willing to spout their specs at the drop of a hat.  People who own Ailenware are no different.

PS3 at $599 at launch in 2006 with its specs was sold at a HUGE loss so it was not at all over priced. Xbox 360 in 2005 against a PC did even better long run price/power comparison.

A High END PC is overpriced in that there is NO game specificly built for it. There is no Requirements that go that high. 

If you look back at 2006 and look at a $600.00 dollar PC it is obsolete. Period!

http://www.overclock.net/t/226176/build-my-friend-a-600-700-gaming-rig

A High self built $4000.00 PC from 2006 is at the lower end spectrum now.

http://hothardware.com/Reviews/QuadCore-Core-2-Extreme--GeForce-8800-GTX-SLI-NF680i-Ultimate-Gaming-Rig/ 

http://bf3blog.com/battlefield-3-system-requirements/

My Point is if your not a graphics die hard then PCs in general are over price for the job over the years.  Though, PCs have a lot more in mods, different games...

Overpriced? for people who have the money its just another tool to show off. Just like any High End Gaming rig. Which is why so many Hard Core PC gamers have their rig specs in their avatar. Or are willing to spout their specs at the drop of a hat.  People who own Ailenware are no different.

PS3 at $599 at launch in 2006 with its specs was sold at a HUGE loss so it was not at all over priced. Xbox 360 in 2005 against a PC did even better long run price/power comparison.

A High END PC is overpriced in that there is NO game specificly built for it. There is no Requirements that go that high. 

If you look back at 2006 and look at a $600.00 dollar PC it is obsolete. Period!

http://www.overclock.net/t/226176/build-my-friend-a-600-700-gaming-rig

A High self built $4000.00 PC from 2006 is at the lower end spectrum now.

http://hothardware.com/Reviews/QuadCore-Core-2-Extreme--GeForce-8800-GTX-SLI-NF680i-Ultimate-Gaming-Rig/ 

http://bf3blog.com/battlefield-3-system-requirements/

My Point is if your not a graphics die hard then PCs in general are over price for the job over the years.  Though, PCs have a lot more in mods, different games...

Ravenlore_basic

The point is Alienware PCs are not particularly powerfull in relation to their price. You can always spend the money that any alienware would cost to build a more powerful rig. You can even spend more money than any alienware would cost to build more powerful rig than the given alienware. The fact someone bought alienware tells us he actually knows little about hardware.

That goes for desktops, their laptops are cool (you can have a more powerful MSI, but you dont want to, if you know what I mean).

I don't hate Alienware, but I'd never consider buying one of their products either.

They're mostly hated due to selling overpriced and often unbalanced systems, and for helping to spread that "You need a $5000 PC to play games" nonsense that's rather common around the Internet.

Overprice.rjdofu

Having an Alienware is like being a poser.

What I'm wondering; is the hate for pre-built PC's targeted just to Alienware, or is it shared among all (or most) other known brands like Dell, Gateway, HP, Lenovo, Acer, and so on?

* and I'm aware Dell now owns the Alienware line, but they still have other sets like XPS and Inspirion.

What I'm wondering; is the hate for pre-built PC's targeted just to Alienware, or is it shared among all (or most) other known brands like Dell, Gateway, HP, Lenovo, Acer, and so on?

AdobeArtist

What I'm wondering; is the hate for pre-built PC's targeted just to Alienware, or is it shared among all (or most) other known brands like Dell, Gateway, HP, Lenovo, Acer, and so on?

AdobeArtist

What I'm wondering; is the hate for pre-built PC's targeted just to Alienware, or is it shared among all (or most) other known brands like Dell, Gateway, HP, Lenovo, Acer, and so on?

* and I'm aware Dell now owns the Alienware line, but they still have other sets like XPS and Inspirion.

AdobeArtist

What I'm wondering; is the hate for pre-built PC's targeted just to Alienware, or is it shared among all (or most) other known brands like Dell, Gateway, HP, Lenovo, Acer, and so on?

* and I'm aware Dell now owns the Alienware line, but they still have other sets like XPS and Inspirion.

AdobeArtist

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

What I'm wondering; is the hate for pre-built PC's targeted just to Alienware, or is it shared among all (or most) other known brands like Dell, Gateway, HP, Lenovo, Acer, and so on?

* and I'm aware Dell now owns the Alienware line, but they still have other sets like XPS and Inspirion.

MonsieurX

I wondered if it was the price that set Alienware apart from the pre-built lot.

Even so, are PC gamers really so unable to grasp that the general consumer has no knowledge, and more importantly not the inclination to build their own PCs? For a lot of people computers as an electronics appliance is seen no differently than TVs, Blu Ray players or stereo systems. They don't want to assemble those themselves, they just want to take it out of the box and have it ready to go.

The complexity isn't even the real issue, it's just the principle of convenience.

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]Not to mention PS4 will have GPU more powerful than 7850 that is in the comparison.BlbecekBobecek

Thanks for proving my point, i guess. :roll:

They're expensive, but they make decent machines. If you want a good pre-built rig, you could do a lot worse.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

What I'm wondering; is the hate for pre-built PC's targeted just to Alienware, or is it shared among all (or most) other known brands like Dell, Gateway, HP, Lenovo, Acer, and so on?

* and I'm aware Dell now owns the Alienware line, but they still have other sets like XPS and Inspirion.

AdobeArtist

I wondered if it was the price that set Alienware apart from the pre-built lot.

Even so, are PC gamers really so unable to grasp that the general consumer has no knowledge, and more importantly not the inclination to build their own PCs? For a lot of people computers as an electronics appliance is seen no differently than TVs, Blu Ray players or stereo systems. They don't want to assemble those themselves, they just want to take it out of the box and have it ready to go.

The complexity isn't even the real issue, it's just the principle of convenience.

Alienware and Razor are one of the reasons non PC gamers think it costs $2000 for a gaming PC.

[QUOTE="rjdofu"]Overprice.nextgenjoke

Saves a pretty hefty sum if you're willing to build one yourself. Plus building your own rig is fun and you get to spec it out exactly how you want and truly make it your own. Don't want to sound all preachy but it's my belief that a true PC gamer builds and maintains his own machine.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

What I'm wondering; is the hate for pre-built PC's targeted just to Alienware, or is it shared among all (or most) other known brands like Dell, Gateway, HP, Lenovo, Acer, and so on?

* and I'm aware Dell now owns the Alienware line, but they still have other sets like XPS and Inspirion.

AdobeArtist

I wondered if it was the price that set Alienware apart from the pre-built lot.

Even so, are PC gamers really so unable to grasp that the general consumer has no knowledge, and more importantly not the inclination to build their own PCs? For a lot of people computers as an electronics appliance is seen no differently than TVs, Blu Ray players or stereo systems. They don't want to assemble those themselves, they just want to take it out of the box and have it ready to go.

The complexity isn't even the real issue, it's just the principle of convenience.

I think a lot of people just view it as laziness then. Also many prebuilt computers don't allow for significant upgrades due to the parts they use

I got an Alienware laptop, at the time when i got it there was nothing else available with equivalent or better pricing with the 7970m in it and the 7970m was by far the best mobile GPU at the time.

What I'm wondering; is the hate for pre-built PC's targeted just to Alienware, or is it shared among all (or most) other known brands like Dell, Gateway, HP, Lenovo, Acer, and so on?

* and I'm aware Dell now owns the Alienware line, but they still have other sets like XPS and Inspirion.

AdobeArtist

I personally hate all prebuilds.  They suck if you plan on upgrading down the line, especially Dell.  Many times they use their own shaped hardware that only lets you buy their brand/special stuff.  I'd much rather make my own for a third the cost and I know exactly what I'm getting.

Note: Buying the parts online, taking them to BestBuy or a local pc shop and having them build it for you is still cheaper than a prebuilt gaming pc

Waaaay cheaper to build your own. It's not hard either, I built my PC in like an hour or so without looking up a single tutorial, excepting the manuals for my mobo and water cooling module.

alienware :lol: if dell would sell the pc cases seperately, i'm sure nobody would buy their pre built pcs. the pc cases are the only cool thing about their over-the-top-overpriced gaming rigs. i wanted to get an alienware pc case off ebay but still overpriced so i chose this:

[QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]

Overpriced? for people who have the money its just another tool to show off. Just like any High End Gaming rig. Which is why so many Hard Core PC gamers have their rig specs in their avatar. Or are willing to spout their specs at the drop of a hat.  People who own Ailenware are no different.

PS3 at $599 at launch in 2006 with its specs was sold at a HUGE loss so it was not at all over priced. Xbox 360 in 2005 against a PC did even better long run price/power comparison.

A High END PC is overpriced in that there is NO game specificly built for it. There is no Requirements that go that high. 

If you look back at 2006 and look at a $600.00 dollar PC it is obsolete. Period!

http://www.overclock.net/t/226176/build-my-friend-a-600-700-gaming-rig

A High self built $4000.00 PC from 2006 is at the lower end spectrum now.

http://hothardware.com/Reviews/QuadCore-Core-2-Extreme--GeForce-8800-GTX-SLI-NF680i-Ultimate-Gaming-Rig/ 

http://bf3blog.com/battlefield-3-system-requirements/

My Point is if your not a graphics die hard then PCs in general are over price for the job over the years.  Though, PCs have a lot more in mods, different games...

BlbecekBobecek

The point is Alienware PCs are not particularly powerfull in relation to their price. You can always spend the money that any alienware would cost to build a more powerful rig. You can even spend more money than any alienware would cost to build more powerful rig than the given alienware. The fact someone bought alienware tells us he actually knows little about hardware.

That goes for desktops, their laptops are cool (you can have a more powerful MSI, but you dont want to, if you know what I mean).

Like many items now days its more about the "brand name" which is why Dell bought them. BUT I do see your point. 

Overpriced. Their premades that cost $2000 are really worth half the price.

You are paying the extra $$$ for someone else to make a PC for you. 

Partially because they really did have some grossly overpriced stuff in the past (and still do in that ultra high-end "tax on stupidity" range), and partially because gamers have really weird insecurities.

Their desktops are actually pretty reasonable all things considered (you're still better off building yourself, but if you rub a couple of brain-cells together while choosing specs the prices are within the realm of reason considering the convenience and support), and while people will point to "let's cram the highest-possible end hardware into the sh*ttiest-possible end chassis" brands like Sager, when you consider things like chassis-, build- and keyboard/trackpad-quality their laptops are perfectly respectable as well.

Nothing I'd ever recommend people spend money on (desktops are obviously better pre-built and gaming laptops in general are a crime against humanity, especially since they killed the M11x), but they're hardly the Great Satan they're made out to be, either. 

Generally low quality parts in an overpriced shell hiding behind advertising.

They trick a lot of people into thinking they're buying some really powerful rig, but for the price of it, that same person could have gotten a beastly computer if they had built it themselves or if they got it from a place like iBuyPower. I also really dislike Alienware's cases; they're often filled with annoying plastic pieces that make upgrading a pain, while also having the annoying habit of impeding airflow. The way the cases are designed, it seems like they want your components to degrade quickly from heat just so they can have you buy a new Alienware rig. Even if I bought an Alienware computer, the first thing I would do is stick it in a Cooler Master HAF case (using the 912 myself ;))

Question for the master race people and warlocks all around, why the hate against Alienware? I don't have one but I would like to know why people who own an Alienware PC get treated like manure on GS.

TommyBarban

and it is not difficult at all.

i just built one for a friend and if you can read basic instructions and have the ability to plug things into other things you are golden.

Alienware is way overpriced and it's not even close to the Alienware of old. It was bought out by Dell and the customization is very limited and the computer is really not that affordable, plus it's loaded with Dell bloatware upon arrival. Avoid at all costs if you can.

This being said I know for a fact that not every PC gamer is going to build their own rig. Building your own will be the most affordable and it can be rather fun too but it's definitely not for everyone. If you have to choose a prebuilt, go with Ibuypower or Cyberpower PC. Both of them are fairly reasonable price wise and are fully customized. I have a friend who recently switched over to PC and knew nothing about PC gaming and bought an Ibuypower and it's honestly a nice computer. FYI the old guys that created Alienware now run Origin PC which is very expensive.

I read pre-built, I think this is a big one. Alienware owners are looked at as lazy (wannabe) pc gamers who would rather get ripped of than piece their together own custom machine. I think seed of the contempt lays there.

TommyBarban

I'm not sure if it's a problem anymore, but old Alienware machines were overclocked to death with insufficient cooling which caused freezes like every 15 minutes. I had a friend whose parents bought him one and the thing had horrible freezing issues. It was a desktop by the way.

I wondered if it was the price that set Alienware apart from the pre-built lot.

AdobeArtist

Alienware's very first laptop was every bit similar to my wife's Sager laptop except the Alienware was lime green in color. My wife's Sager laptop was $1800. The Alienware laptop was $2300. That's a $500 paint job.

It mainly has to do with price, also a big part of being a pc gamer imo has to do with building and knowing your way around a rig.

Building the PC is half the fun. It's the same mentality you have if you ever worked on cars in a way.

But mainly the price, you can build your own for a quarter of the price with better components easily. My 2nd PC was an alienware, first was a Dell. my parents bought it as a family/gaming PC when I was about 12.

This is why they are hated

1. Building a PC is a breeze. You buy 8-9 parts and put it together..... (I did it at a young age with no computer experience, its not even close to rocket science). You literally insert the Dvd drive/harddrive is the designated slots of the case, insert the ram/Cpu in the motherboard, insert powersupply (in the labeled slot), prep the case for the motherboard (it comes with 6-8 small brackets that you simply screw in with your hand) and then you put the motherboard in the case (you then use the screws to tighten the motherboard in place). After that you just plug everything in and insert a video card in the PCI Xpress slot if you chose to buy a seperate GPU. Last step it turn the computer on and boot from the CD/DVD drive (all those things I listed are easy to do).

2. Competition: Competitors charge alot less for a similiar product

3. Price: The markup on alienware is insanse. You could literally buy all the parts yourself and then let a computer store charge you $100-$250 to put it together and you would still come out WAY ahead......

I remember when their M11x netbook first came out and nothing in that size could touch it, it played the newest COD on the highest setting for over 5 hours on the battery and I though it was incredible on a netbook that size  !

Because it's

• Overpriced
• Not really designed for gaming (lga 2011 cpu(expensive and completely unnecessary) and a weak gpu is the opposite of how you build a pc for gaming)
• Uses custom oem parts, not standard components

Powerful laptops like an ASUS will overheat. Alienware laptops are expenive compared to other brands, but Alienware has okay ventilation and will not overheat as much. If you must have a gaming laptop, Alienware is the only one worth getting.

As for desktops:

1. It's a prebuilt pc

2. A custom-built pc with more powerful hardware is cheaper than any alienware

3. LED lights everywhere

If you buy an Alienware desktop then that means you know little about hardware, you're too lazy to research about hardware, and the only reason you bought Alienware is because you're attracted to LED lights.

An idiot could spend only one day researching PC components and know Alienware is a not a good gaming PC.

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]Their desktops are overpriced but their laptops and the X51 aren't too bad (at least not here in the UK) considering what's in them. rjdofu

they charge about the same I don't know what you're looking at

Overprice.rjdofu

They're not really as overpriced people say they're these days, I found an Aurora to be $200 more than build using the same/similar parts however the Aurora had an overclocked CPU and bios by default a long with the fact it's already built, so that would kinda be part of what they're charging extra for but still not really worth it since it's not going to make much of an impact with what type of CPU they're packing in them

I find the X51 to be pretty reasonably priced after looking through all of what it has and comparing to parts I could buy on newegg and put together, the only downside I could see to Alienwares compared to other brands and custom built PCs is that they lack customization.