BioShock Infinite, after the storm..

Its a good game.  I recommend playing it.  I was kind of disappointed by it though.  Bioshock 1 had a consistent theme and story throughout the game.  It began as a discussion of individualism and collectivism and ended as a discussion of individualism and collectivism.  Bioshock Infinite started as a discussion of nationalism and patriotism and ended with multiple universes as the focal point.  

I really feel like they changed direction part way through the game, and not for the better.  

They really hyped up Elizabeth as a great sidekick.  I thought she was a decent character when I finished, but nowhere near Alyx from HL2.  Once I played and beat The Last of Us I looked back on Elizabeth as a sort of pathetic attempt at something great.  I realized just how poor her character actually was in terms of story and writing.  The player could have gone through the entire game having never met Elizabeth and the story wouldn't have been much different when it comes down to it.  I never once felt connected to her.  To me she was just a pointless sidekick throughout most of the game that occasionally threw me silver dollars.  

There was also too much looting.  

Buy it.  Its good, just don't expect it to be amazing like the first one.

hoola

[QUOTE="fadersdream"]

I loved it, Bioshock is a thinking man's game without being overly self-important.

Would certainly pay $30 for it.

ReadingRainbow4

Wut.

I'd give this game a 7 tops. Going around checking garbage cans for coins is not my idea of a good time. danten81

I couldn't finish it. Too boring. Mostly hype. Good game at best average at worst.

uninspiredcup

Is worth it, in the end it is a great game...hell i didn't think i would say this but after watching the TLoU ending i'm willing to say that Bioshock Infinite so far is the best game of the year.

[QUOTE="Vargion"]If you like killing your White Male ancestors, then by all means, go ahead. The Israelis may even keep you as a stepping-stool, if you're lucky. Hell, you could even be their own personal toilet and eat their **** if you burn the American flag while you're at it. If the "enemies" in the game were any other race, the game would be censored and banned, and the world be rejoicing whilst they wait for the next White Male killing simulator.PannicAtack

Hint: You spend the last half of the game shooting at blacks and Irish people. Go stick a turd in a bong and smoke it.

Bioshock Infinite's absolutely biggest failure is it can't answer in any meaningful fashion...."What's the moral of the story?", because really, there is none. Things happen, and then it really didn't happen. In regards to theme, unlike bioshock 1 and especially 2, Infinite is a complete and total failure. But this is what happens when you write around a plot twist, to make it as cool as possible, than writing a coherent story that happens to have a plot twist. In An Age's blogger nails it perfectly. http://inanage.com/2013/08/08/bioshock-infinite-dlc-cometh/ Bioshock 2 on the other hand, now that's how you tie your themes to your plot, and that's how you make a plot twist, based on player actions, connect to the themes of the narrative.texasgoldrush

You didn't even played it right? or maybe you were to busy hating it to realice that the moral of the story is basically how the most basic of your desitions can change your entire live for better or for worse and how to deal with consequences of your own acts trying to fix your own mistakes...is as simple as that.

Is worth it, in the end it is a great game...hell i didn't think i would say this but after watching the TLoU ending i'm willing to say that Bioshock Infinite so far is the best game of the year.

madsnakehhh

If you only watched TLoU ending and didn't actually play it then the ending wouldn't even be 1/10th as impactful as it could have been.  I played BI first and thought it was  good game, but the ending was poorly written and didn't really make me think about it in any way other than "why did the developers choose to do this?"  TLoU, on the other hand, was alot more down to earth regarding the moral point made, and alot more emotional.  I still can't stop thinking about it and i beat it weeks ago.

Although, like i said, if you didn't actually play through the game then you probably wouldn't get the full experience.  

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Is worth it, in the end it is a great game...hell i didn't think i would say this but after watching the TLoU ending i'm willing to say that Bioshock Infinite so far is the best game of the year.

hoola

If you only watched TLoU ending and didn't actually play it then the ending wouldn't even be 1/10th as impactful as it could have been.  I played BI first and thought it was  good game, but the ending was poorly written and didn't really make me think about it in any way other than "why did the developers choose to do this?"  TLoU, on the other hand, was alot more down to earth regarding the moral point made, and alot more emotional.  I still can't stop thinking about it and i beat it weeks ago.

Although, like i said, if you didn't actually play through the game then you probably wouldn't get the full experience.  

So...just because i didn't thought it was great suddenly i didn't played it? the ending was very disappointing (as well as the whole "level")...it was an ending and it did tie all lose ends...i mean it was that...just an ending...but a forggetable one. And no, i wasn't expecting a happy ending where they cure the world or anything like that, i was just expecting a better ending, that's all. In that regards, Bioshock Infinite was better because it actually made something that haven't been made before (or at least i haven't played a game with a similar ending) and it was made to be memorable and original and while not perfect, at least was a lot more emotional IMO.

Oh, and BTW, while i thought it was disappointing, i can see where they are going and i do liked it, i just was expecting something more.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Bioshock Infinite's absolutely biggest failure is it can't answer in any meaningful fashion...."What's the moral of the story?", because really, there is none. Things happen, and then it really didn't happen. In regards to theme, unlike bioshock 1 and especially 2, Infinite is a complete and total failure. But this is what happens when you write around a plot twist, to make it as cool as possible, than writing a coherent story that happens to have a plot twist. In An Age's blogger nails it perfectly. http://inanage.com/2013/08/08/bioshock-infinite-dlc-cometh/ Bioshock 2 on the other hand, now that's how you tie your themes to your plot, and that's how you make a plot twist, based on player actions, connect to the themes of the narrative.madsnakehhh

You didn't even played it right? or maybe you were to busy hating it to realice that the moral of the story is basically how the most basic of your desitions can change your entire live for better or for worse and how to deal with consequences of your own acts trying to fix your own mistakes...is as simple as that.

[QUOTE="hoola"]

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Is worth it, in the end it is a great game...hell i didn't think i would say this but after watching the TLoU ending i'm willing to say that Bioshock Infinite so far is the best game of the year.

madsnakehhh

If you only watched TLoU ending and didn't actually play it then the ending wouldn't even be 1/10th as impactful as it could have been.  I played BI first and thought it was  good game, but the ending was poorly written and didn't really make me think about it in any way other than "why did the developers choose to do this?"  TLoU, on the other hand, was alot more down to earth regarding the moral point made, and alot more emotional.  I still can't stop thinking about it and i beat it weeks ago.

Although, like i said, if you didn't actually play through the game then you probably wouldn't get the full experience.  

So...just because i didn't thought it was great suddenly i didn't played it? the ending was very disappointing (as well as the whole "level")...it was an ending and it did tie all lose ends...i mean it was that...just an ending...but a forggetable one. And no, i wasn't expecting a happy ending where they cure the world or anything like that, i was just expecting a better ending, that's all. In that regards, Bioshock Infinite was better because it actually made something that haven't been made before (or at least i haven't played a game with a similar ending) and it was made to be memorable and original and while not perfect, at least was a lot more emotional IMO.

Oh, and BTW, while i thought it was disappointing, i can see where they are going and i do liked it, i just was expecting something more.

[QUOTE="uninspiredcup"]

I couldn't finish it. Too boring. Mostly hype. Good game at best average at worst.

lightleggy

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="uninspiredcup"]

I couldn't finish it. Too boring. Mostly hype. Good game at best average at worst.

m3Boarder32

In fact, I call Bioshock Infinite's handling of your theme a Broken Aesop.texasgoldrush

Also stop spoiling the story you piece of shit.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

In fact, I call Bioshock Infinite's handling of your theme a Broken Aesop.Vaasman

Also stop spoiling the story you piece of shit.

I've enjoyed it. Although the gameplay was better in the Bioshock 1, I thought the world was excellently crafted. 

Enjoyed it. Not that many FPS games with a focus on the story and storytelling, so the Bioshock games are always a nice break from mindless shooting.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="uninspiredcup"]

I couldn't finish it. Too boring. Mostly hype. Good game at best average at worst.

m3Boarder32

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Bioshock Infinite's absolutely biggest failure is it can't answer in any meaningful fashion...."What's the moral of the story?", because really, there is none. Things happen, and then it really didn't happen. In regards to theme, unlike bioshock 1 and especially 2, Infinite is a complete and total failure. But this is what happens when you write around a plot twist, to make it as cool as possible, than writing a coherent story that happens to have a plot twist. In An Age's blogger nails it perfectly. http://inanage.com/2013/08/08/bioshock-infinite-dlc-cometh/ Bioshock 2 on the other hand, now that's how you tie your themes to your plot, and that's how you make a plot twist, based on player actions, connect to the themes of the narrative.texasgoldrush

You didn't even played it right? or maybe you were to busy hating it to realice that the moral of the story is basically how the most basic of your desitions can change your entire live for better or for worse and how to deal with consequences of your own acts trying to fix your own mistakes...is as simple as that.

The story shows you how a simple decision can change your entre life, again...is as simple as that. The rest is just Sci-fi, however the moral of the story is right there...sorry if you just don't want to see it even if it is in front of your eyes...then again you think Bioshock 2 is better :roll:

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="hoola"]

If you only watched TLoU ending and didn't actually play it then the ending wouldn't even be 1/10th as impactful as it could have been.  I played BI first and thought it was  good game, but the ending was poorly written and didn't really make me think about it in any way other than "why did the developers choose to do this?"  TLoU, on the other hand, was alot more down to earth regarding the moral point made, and alot more emotional.  I still can't stop thinking about it and i beat it weeks ago.

Although, like i said, if you didn't actually play through the game then you probably wouldn't get the full experience.  

texasgoldrush

So...just because i didn't thought it was great suddenly i didn't played it? the ending was very disappointing (as well as the whole "level")...it was an ending and it did tie all lose ends...i mean it was that...just an ending...but a forggetable one. And no, i wasn't expecting a happy ending where they cure the world or anything like that, i was just expecting a better ending, that's all. In that regards, Bioshock Infinite was better because it actually made something that haven't been made before (or at least i haven't played a game with a similar ending) and it was made to be memorable and original and while not perfect, at least was a lot more emotional IMO.

Oh, and BTW, while i thought it was disappointing, i can see where they are going and i do liked it, i just was expecting something more.

It might fit, but that doesn't mean it was great because it wasn't...at least for me, it was disappointing, again i did liked it, specially because of how Joel against all odds, just got whatever he wanted in the end despite knowing what was right, however i was expecting a lot more. On the other hand, Infinite's ending was pretty original and memorable.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

In fact, I call Bioshock Infinite's handling of your theme a Broken Aesop.texasgoldrush

Also stop spoiling the story you piece of shit.

You just didn't get it, it's as simple as that.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

You didn't even played it right? or maybe you were to busy hating it to realice that the moral of the story is basically how the most basic of your desitions can change your entire live for better or for worse and how to deal with consequences of your own acts trying to fix your own mistakes...is as simple as that.

madsnakehhh

The story shows you how a simple decision can change your entre life, again...is as simple as that. The rest is just Sci-fi, however the moral of the story is right there...sorry if you just don't want to see it even if it is in front of your eyes...then again you think Bioshock 2 is better :roll:

I couldn't finish it. Too boring. Mostly hype. Good game at best average at worst.

uninspiredcup

Infinite is in my top 3 of the year, very easily. Amazing immersion, story, combat and characters. I can't wait to revist Rapture with it's DLC.

Enjoyed it. Not that many FPS games with a focus on the story and storytelling, so the Bioshock games are always a nice break from mindless shooting.

iHarlequin

[QUOTE="uninspiredcup"]

I couldn't finish it. Too boring. Mostly hype. Good game at best average at worst.

carljohnson3456

Really glad people are seeing it for what it is..... finally.An overhyped mess of narrative and gameplay.

I must say it starts out excellent but it goes down the shitter after a while just like some TV shows.

Easily the most over-hyped game of this year so far. 

As far as TLOU ending. Its freaking genoius. It looks so simple at first but in the context of the hole game its not at all.

It really reminds me of a mix of the ending of the godfather and maybe even a littel of the the graduate. Its so subtle and yet so deep.It involves such deep human emotions and thoughts in few seconds of almost nothing happenig (at first glance).

Thank god its not the equivalent of someone weaving car keys infort of a babys face (aka Infinite ending).

Im sure that people that love the shitstorm infinte ending and don't get subtlety wont get it.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

You didn't even played it right? or maybe you were to busy hating it to realice that the moral of the story is basically how the most basic of your desitions can change your entire live for better or for worse and how to deal with consequences of your own acts trying to fix your own mistakes...is as simple as that.

madsnakehhh

The story shows you how a simple decision can change your entre life, again...is as simple as that. The rest is just Sci-fi, however the moral of the story is right there...sorry if you just don't want to see it even if it is in front of your eyes...then again you think Bioshock 2 is better :roll:

[QUOTE="iHarlequin"]

Enjoyed it. Not that many FPS games with a focus on the story and storytelling, so the Bioshock games are always a nice break from mindless shooting.

GioVela2010

No, think of it as a dumb first person shooter that weakens the game.texasgoldrush

Bioshock Infinite was a good game, but definitely not the greatest thing ever that some people are trying to make it out to be. A lot of the small things that they deal with are great, such as the nationalism, patriotism, religion, and even that kind of industrialism that was seen during the time. The relationship between Booker and Elizabeth was kind of meh, sort of overhyped pre-game. The interactions with the twins was great and sometimes quite humorous, for me anyway. But the biggest letdown of this game is the story, particularly the ending. It is so contrived, so pretentious, trying to deal with issues of being a multiverse. It isn't new, it isn't really edgy, it's just kind of lazy writing. And actually, as shown, may even have potential to affect previous Bioshock games. So people think it is cool cause "wow so deep, so original, I'm smart and I get it", but in reality, it just fell flat and fell hard. Things were going great all the way up to the ending point, and then you sit there wondering what was the point of it all.

Bioshock Infinite was a good game, but definitely not the greatest thing ever that some people are trying to make it out to be. A lot of the small things that they deal with are great, such as the nationalism, patriotism, religion, and even that kind of industrialism that was seen during the time. The relationship between Booker and Elizabeth was kind of meh, sort of overhyped pre-game. The interactions with the twins was great and sometimes quite humorous, for me anyway. But the biggest letdown of this game is the story, particularly the ending. It is so contrived, so pretentious, trying to deal with issues of being a multiverse. It isn't new, it isn't really edgy, it's just kind of lazy writing. And actually, as shown, may even have potential to affect previous Bioshock games. So people think it is cool cause "wow so deep, so original, I'm smart and I get it", but in reality, it just fell flat and fell hard. Things were going great all the way up to the ending point, and then you sit there wondering what was the point of it all.

StrifeDelivery

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

In fact, I call Bioshock Infinite's handling of your theme a Broken Aesop.texasgoldrush

Also stop spoiling the story you piece of shit.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="GioVela2010"]Yet another term you don't actually know the meaning of.

Also stop spoiling the story you piece of shit.

rjdofu

Another stupid poster who can't get what I said. Get over it,Mass Effect 3 trips over itself thematically because it handles its themes absolutely poorly.texasgoldrush

Fixed for greater accuracy.

Stay mad, Texas.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Another stupid poster who can't get what I said. Get over it,Mass Effect 3 trips over itself thematically because it handles its themes absolutely poorly.Sagem28

Fixed for greater accuracy.

Stay mad, Texas.

[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Another stupid poster who can't get what I said. Get over it,Mass Effect 3 trips over itself thematically because it handles its themes absolutely poorly.texasgoldrush

Fixed for greater accuracy.

Stay mad, Texas.

lol no.
It's trash.

Stay mad :cool:

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Sagem28"]

Fixed for greater accuracy.

Stay mad, Texas.

Sagem28

lol no.
It's trash.

Stay mad :cool:

[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Nope it doesn't....in fact, it reinforces the themes of the entire trilogy. Try again.texasgoldrush

lol no.
It's trash.

Stay mad :cool:

You didn't even played it right? or maybe you were to busy hating it to realice that the moral of the story is basically how the most basic of your desitions can change your entire live for better or for worse and how to deal with consequences of your own acts trying to fix your own mistakes...is as simple as that.

madsnakehhh

You didn't even played it right? or maybe you were to busy hating it to realice that the moral of the story is basically how the most basic of your desitions can change your entire live for better or for worse and how to deal with consequences of your own acts trying to fix your own mistakes...is as simple as that.

madsnakehhh

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="fadersdream"]

I loved it, Bioshock is a thinking man's game without being overly self-important.

Would certainly pay $30 for it.

fadersdream

Wut.