Bloomberg Reports: Nintendo's DOMINATION of the industry has begun

see THIS is why sales matter

sales lead to more developer support - which leads to more games

but the experts here at system wars and their "but....but...sales don't matter!!" arguments can't seem to accept this undeniable FACT

JB730

Unless the wii can get good QUALITY games it will be ocnsidered a fad that will see sells fall in 2008. I have yet to see any games that are decent. Until they get some real games I will be holding out. This is the year of the wii, but once people begin to see great games on the 360 and the ps3 who will want to stick with the wii? Esp when the 360 has a price cut that would make the consoles (low end 360 wise) the same price!!!cjnwo4life

Unless the wii can get good QUALITY games it will be ocnsidered a fad that will see sells fall in 2008. I have yet to see any games that are decent. Until they get some real games I will be holding out. This is the year of the wii, but once people begin to see great games on the 360 and the ps3 who will want to stick with the wii? Esp when the 360 has a price cut that would make the consoles (low end 360 wise) the same price!!!cjnwo4life

Unless the wii can get good QUALITY games it will be ocnsidered a fad that will see sells fall in 2008. I have yet to see any games that are decent. Until they get some real games I will be holding out. This is the year of the wii, but once people begin to see great games on the 360 and the ps3 who will want to stick with the wii? Esp when the 360 has a price cut that would make the consoles (low end 360 wise) the same price!!!cjnwo4life

Electronic Arts Plays Catch-Up After Shrugging Off Wii's Appeal

``They're going to need to get their best-branded product on that platform.

That will take a good nine to 12 months.''

Miscalculation

Game companies had expected PlayStation 3 to dominate based on the success of PlayStation 2,

With six months to go before Wii's release and games requiring a year or more to develop, publishers knew they were in trouble.

Electronic Arts has six Wii titles and plans to have about a dozen in total this year.

``We came back and redeployed a lot of our resources,'' said Earl, who heads Electronic Arts' Redwood Shores studio.

Wii appears to be expanding the market, rather than stealing sales from rivals, he said.


``It's not really a bet anymore,'' he said. ``It's a viable system that's going to make us money.''

dustin-diamond

 Some important parts from the article, which some fanboys will ignore.

[QUOTE="dustin-diamond"]

Electronic Arts Plays Catch-Up After Shrugging Off Wii's Appeal

``They're going to need to get their best-branded product on that platform.

That will take a good nine to 12 months.''

Miscalculation

Game companies had expected PlayStation 3 to dominate based on the success of PlayStation 2,

With six months to go before Wii's release and games requiring a year or more to develop, publishers knew they were in trouble.

Electronic Arts has six Wii titles and plans to have about a dozen in total this year.

``We came back and redeployed a lot of our resources,'' said Earl, who heads Electronic Arts' Redwood Shores studio.

Wii appears to be expanding the market, rather than stealing sales from rivals, he said.


``It's not really a bet anymore,'' he said. ``It's a viable system that's going to make us money.''

Devil-Itachi

 Some important parts from the article, which some fanboys will ignore.

[QUOTE="cjnwo4life"]Unless the wii can get good QUALITY games it will be ocnsidered a fad that will see sells fall in 2008. I have yet to see any games that are decent. Until they get some real games I will be holding out. This is the year of the wii, but once people begin to see great games on the 360 and the ps3 who will want to stick with the wii? Esp when the 360 has a price cut that would make the consoles (low end 360 wise) the same price!!!Grodus5

[QUOTE="Grodus5"][QUOTE="cjnwo4life"]Unless the wii can get good QUALITY games it will be ocnsidered a fad that will see sells fall in 2008. I have yet to see any games that are decent. Until they get some real games I will be holding out. This is the year of the wii, but once people begin to see great games on the 360 and the ps3 who will want to stick with the wii? Esp when the 360 has a price cut that would make the consoles (low end 360 wise) the same price!!!cjnwo4life

informative. time will tellharry2k5

[QUOTE="Devil-Itachi"][QUOTE="dustin-diamond"]

Electronic Arts Plays Catch-Up After Shrugging Off Wii's Appeal

``They're going to need to get their best-branded product on that platform.

That will take a good nine to 12 months.''

Miscalculation

Game companies had expected PlayStation 3 to dominate based on the success of PlayStation 2,

With six months to go before Wii's release and games requiring a year or more to develop, publishers knew they were in trouble.

Electronic Arts has six Wii titles and plans to have about a dozen in total this year.

``We came back and redeployed a lot of our resources,'' said Earl, who heads Electronic Arts' Redwood Shores studio.

Wii appears to be expanding the market, rather than stealing sales from rivals, he said.


``It's not really a bet anymore,'' he said. ``It's a viable system that's going to make us money.''

jedigemini

 Some important parts from the article, which some fanboys will ignore.

Y'know I could be really mean (and say the exaggerated truth) and say Alice in Wonderland, Brain Fix and GTA III.

But from a Nintendo fan, I'm hoping Manhunt 2, GTA spin-off and some kind of FPS or adventure game. 

[QUOTE="cjnwo4life"][QUOTE="Grodus5"][QUOTE="cjnwo4life"]Unless the wii can get good QUALITY games it will be ocnsidered a fad that will see sells fall in 2008. I have yet to see any games that are decent. Until they get some real games I will be holding out. This is the year of the wii, but once people begin to see great games on the 360 and the ps3 who will want to stick with the wii? Esp when the 360 has a price cut that would make the consoles (low end 360 wise) the same price!!!jedigemini

I was hoping for this back at E3 2005, and I'm still hoping for it today. The lower development costs of Wii should attract indie developers to create brand new IPs (eg. No More Heroes which is turns out to the one of the most hyped titles for Wii) and content. Because these companies are small, they would put a lot of priority and time to make their product sell since they have less reputation and less staff than other compnaies.

I'm really hoping devleopers like Irrational games or even GarageGames can make exclusive content to Wii. Because that's where Nintendo succeed the most from other company support apart from Nintendo themselves.

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="cjnwo4life"][QUOTE="Grodus5"][QUOTE="cjnwo4life"]Unless the wii can get good QUALITY games it will be ocnsidered a fad that will see sells fall in 2008. I have yet to see any games that are decent. Until they get some real games I will be holding out. This is the year of the wii, but once people begin to see great games on the 360 and the ps3 who will want to stick with the wii? Esp when the 360 has a price cut that would make the consoles (low end 360 wise) the same price!!!cjnwo4life

Mario Galaxy (the first true sequel to mario 64 which sold 14 million copies)

SSBB (SSBM sold 7 million on the cube... it will only do better on the Wii)

MP3: another game in the millions club

Brainage: Over a million sold as well.

Wii Health: This thing is going to explode in sales

Pokemon Battle Revolution: Speaks for itself 

and in the future...

Nintendogs sequel : Sold over 12 million on the DS so far. A Wii ip is inevitable

Mario Kart: Speaks for itself

plus a bunch of other notables like Mario strikers,Wii orchestra, Mario vs. Sonic (think Wii sports 2)

Whether or not you or your friends like these games, they all sell huge.

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="cjnwo4life"][QUOTE="Grodus5"][QUOTE="cjnwo4life"]Unless the wii can get good QUALITY games it will be ocnsidered a fad that will see sells fall in 2008. I have yet to see any games that are decent. Until they get some real games I will be holding out. This is the year of the wii, but once people begin to see great games on the 360 and the ps3 who will want to stick with the wii? Esp when the 360 has a price cut that would make the consoles (low end 360 wise) the same price!!!cjnwo4life

I still think Wii will come 3rd. It's got the non gamer market covered but casuals/hardcore gamers will completely avoid the system.

I couldn't care less what analysts think. They also thought PSP would beat DS which was ridiculous to me at the time and look who turned out to be wrong. 

I still think Wii will come 3rd. It's got the non gamer market covered but casuals/hardcore gamers will completely avoid the system.

I couldn't care less what analysts think. They also thought PSP would beat DS which was ridiculous to me at the time and look who turned out to be wrong. 

the-very-best

lmao

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="cjnwo4life"][QUOTE="Grodus5"][QUOTE="cjnwo4life"]Unless the wii can get good QUALITY games it will be ocnsidered a fad that will see sells fall in 2008. I have yet to see any games that are decent. Until they get some real games I will be holding out. This is the year of the wii, but once people begin to see great games on the 360 and the ps3 who will want to stick with the wii? Esp when the 360 has a price cut that would make the consoles (low end 360 wise) the same price!!!cjnwo4life

You sound like the little kids I own on Halo 2.  The only people that are concerned about whether the games are kiddie or not are usually middle schoolers and maybe high schoolers who think they have to play mature games to be cool.  If your going through that faze in life thats cool and all.  You will grow out of it eventually.  If you dont think the Wii has anyone blockbusters coming out for it.......well your the prime example of a fanboy whos paranoid about what people think of him.

I still think Wii will come 3rd. It's got the non gamer market covered but casuals/hardcore gamers will completely avoid the system.

I couldn't care less what analysts think. They also thought PSP would beat DS which was ridiculous to me at the time and look who turned out to be wrong. 

the-very-best

Have you been living in a basement somewhere?? Honestly...... The analysts have been saying for the past two years how the PS3 is going to DOMINATE.  Look what happened.  They are just now "changing" there minds and this article is a prime example of it.  It shows how developers are shifting focus also.  The Wii is going to come in first theres almost no question about it.  Its got Japan completely locked up and its looking good in the US and Europe.

[QUOTE="cjnwo4life"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="cjnwo4life"][QUOTE="Grodus5"][QUOTE="cjnwo4life"]Unless the wii can get good QUALITY games it will be ocnsidered a fad that will see sells fall in 2008. I have yet to see any games that are decent. Until they get some real games I will be holding out. This is the year of the wii, but once people begin to see great games on the 360 and the ps3 who will want to stick with the wii? Esp when the 360 has a price cut that would make the consoles (low end 360 wise) the same price!!!MasterChumly

You sound like the little kids I own on Halo 2.  The only people that are concerned about whether the games are kiddie or not are usually middle schoolers and maybe high schoolers who think they have to play mature games to be cool.  If your going through that faze in life thats cool and all.  You will grow out of it eventually.  If you dont think the Wii has anyone blockbusters coming out for it.......well your the prime example of a fanboy whos paranoid about what people think of him.

I still think Wii will come 3rd. It's got the non gamer market covered but casuals/hardcore gamers will completely avoid the system.

I couldn't care less what analysts think. They also thought PSP would beat DS which was ridiculous to me at the time and look who turned out to be wrong. 

the-very-best

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

I still think Wii will come 3rd. It's got the non gamer market covered but casuals/hardcore gamers will completely avoid the system.

I couldn't care less what analysts think. They also thought PSP would beat DS which was ridiculous to me at the time and look who turned out to be wrong.

jedigemini

lmao

Casuals want GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3, games like that. Wii doesn't have them so yeah, casuals will avoid the Wii.

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

I still think Wii will come 3rd. It's got the non gamer market covered but casuals/hardcore gamers will completely avoid the system.

I couldn't care less what analysts think. They also thought PSP would beat DS which was ridiculous to me at the time and look who turned out to be wrong.

the-very-best

lmao

Casuals want GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3, games like that. Wii doesn't have them so yeah, casuals will avoid the Wii.

[QUOTE="MasterChumly"]

[QUOTE="cjnwo4life"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="cjnwo4life"][QUOTE="Grodus5"][QUOTE="cjnwo4life"]Unless the wii can get good QUALITY games it will be ocnsidered a fad that will see sells fall in 2008. I have yet to see any games that are decent. Until they get some real games I will be holding out. This is the year of the wii, but once people begin to see great games on the 360 and the ps3 who will want to stick with the wii? Esp when the 360 has a price cut that would make the consoles (low end 360 wise) the same price!!!cjnwo4life

You sound like the little kids I own on Halo 2.  The only people that are concerned about whether the games are kiddie or not are usually middle schoolers and maybe high schoolers who think they have to play mature games to be cool.  If your going through that faze in life thats cool and all.  You will grow out of it eventually.  If you dont think the Wii has anyone blockbusters coming out for it.......well your the prime example of a fanboy whos paranoid about what people think of him.

Looked at your profile and you definitely fit the desciption of a "Wii basher".  Also like I said before the Wii has a plethora of blockbusters unlike what you may like to think.  Another thing that makes the Wii fun is if you have a girlfriend.  Girls actually like to play the Wii unlike other systems.  Additionally if you have any buddies that could come over and drink with you while playing the Wii that helps also.  Your whole "kiddie" fascination thing with the Wii just strikes me as wrong because theres a multiple great games on the Wii if you can get past "its to kiddie" idea.

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

I still think Wii will come 3rd. It's got the non gamer market covered but casuals/hardcore gamers will completely avoid the system.

I couldn't care less what analysts think. They also thought PSP would beat DS which was ridiculous to me at the time and look who turned out to be wrong.

the-very-best

lmao

Casuals want GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3, games like that. Wii doesn't have them so yeah, casuals will avoid the Wii.

You would have figured that developers would have grasped that a 600 dollar console would have pooptastic console sales as well as crummy video game sales.

E3 should have been the light to developers eyes but they were still blinded. Even the launch didn't part the blindness for several third parties.

A lot of third parties have been shown to have a profound lack of faith in Nintendo. Their faith in Sony has been utterly shattered and Microsoft's promises of prophecy have been shown to not be true. jedigemini

U.S. and Japanese sales of Wii players totaled 1.47 million in January and February, said market researchers NPD Group Inc. and Enterbrain. PlayStation 3 tallied 604,331, while stores sold 584,329 of Microsoft Corp.'s Xbox 360 consoles. Wii is also leading in Europe, said London-based researcher Screen Digest.

dustin-diamond

Hope Lemmings read that one.

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]You would have figured that developers would have grasped that a 600 dollar console would have pooptastic console sales as well as crummy video game sales.

E3 should have been the light to developers eyes but they were still blinded. Even the launch didn't part the blindness for several third parties.

A lot of third parties have been shown to have a profound lack of faith in Nintendo. Their faith in Sony has been utterly shattered and Microsoft's promises of prophecy have been shown to not be true. meimnobody

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

I still think Wii will come 3rd. It's got the non gamer market covered but casuals/hardcore gamers will completely avoid the system.

I couldn't care less what analysts think. They also thought PSP would beat DS which was ridiculous to me at the time and look who turned out to be wrong.

the-very-best

lmao

Casuals want GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3, games like that. Wii doesn't have them so yeah, casuals will avoid the Wii.

Dude, that is pure denial.   From Wikipedia, the top selling non-bundled games of all time:

1. Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES - 18 million)[25]
2. Super Mario Land (Game Boy - 14 million)[25]
3. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2 - 14 million)[117]
4. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2 - 13 million)[118]
5. Super Mario 64 (N64 - 11 million)[25]
6. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2 - 11 million)[109]
7. Grand Theft Auto III (PS2 - 11 million)[118]
8. Gran Turismo (PS1 - 10.5 million)[109]
9. Super Mario Bros. 2 (NES - 10 million)[25]
10. Final Fantasy VII (PS1 - 9.8 million, includes Final Fantasy VII International)[110]
11. Gran Turismo 2 (PS1 - 9.34 million)[109]
12. New Super Mario Bros. (DS - 8.64 million)[72]
13. Nintendogs (DS - 8.53 million approximately, 5.0 million in Europe,[90] 2.1 million in US,[91][92] 1.43 million in Japan)[93]
14. Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day! (DS - 8.51 million)[94]
15. Mario Kart 64 (N64 - 2.24 million in Japan,[56] 6.23 million in US only,[59] approximately 8.47 million)
16. Donkey Kong Country (SNES - 8.30 million)[57]
17. Pokémon Yellow (Game Boy - 3.16 million in Japan,[56] 5.10 million in US,[58] approximately 8.26 million)
18. Super Mario Kart (SNES - 8 million)[25]
19. GoldenEye 007 (N64 - 8 million)[60]
20. Tomb Raider II (PS - 8 million)[40]
21. Halo 2 (8 million)[40]

 Ok, so lets look.  Out of the top 21 best selling non-bundled games of all time, 11 (green) are owned by Nintendo.  For those that noticed I highlighted Donkey Kong Country in green for Nintendo...that's right.  Donkey Kong the character is infact owned by Nintendo, though DKC was developed by Rare.  The rights are Nintendo's hence why it's on the VC.  Anyway, another 5 (yellow) have or will be showing up on a Nintendo system.  That leaves only 5 (red) that will never show up on a Nintendo console.  Out of the top 21 best selling games/franchises ever, over HALF are Nintendo's.  And another quarter of them can potentially show up on the Wii.  Casuals only interested in GTA, Halo, and GT?  lmfao, dude :lol:

informative. time will tellharry2k5

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

I still think Wii will come 3rd. It's got the non gamer market covered but casuals/hardcore gamers will completely avoid the system.

I couldn't care less what analysts think. They also thought PSP would beat DS which was ridiculous to me at the time and look who turned out to be wrong.

the-very-best

lmao

Casuals want GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3, games like that. Wii doesn't have them so yeah, casuals will avoid the Wii.

Using the sales data for the newest installments of the PS2 to give a more accurate look at (fanbase) put together = 26.84.  Now how many of them would pay $600 to see the next installment?   Btw I even added mgs3 but of course not Halo 2.

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

I still think Wii will come 3rd. It's got the non gamer market covered but casuals/hardcore gamers will completely avoid the system.

I couldn't care less what analysts think. They also thought PSP would beat DS which was ridiculous to me at the time and look who turned out to be wrong. 

jedigemini

lmao

[QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

I still think Wii will come 3rd. It's got the non gamer market covered but casuals/hardcore gamers will completely avoid the system.

I couldn't care less what analysts think. They also thought PSP would beat DS which was ridiculous to me at the time and look who turned out to be wrong.

OceanLeet

lmao

Casuals want GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3, games like that. Wii doesn't have them so yeah, casuals will avoid the Wii.

Dude, that is pure denial.   From Wikipedia, the top selling non-bundled games of all time:

1. Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES - 18 million)[25]
2. Super Mario Land (Game Boy - 14 million)[25]
3. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2 - 14 million)[117]
4. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2 - 13 million)[118]
5. Super Mario 64 (N64 - 11 million)[25]
6. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2 - 11 million)[109]
7. Grand Theft Auto III (PS2 - 11 million)[118]
8. Gran Turismo (PS1 - 10.5 million)[109]
9. Super Mario Bros. 2 (NES - 10 million)[25]
10. Final Fantasy VII (PS1 - 9.8 million, includes Final Fantasy VII International)[110]
11. Gran Turismo 2 (PS1 - 9.34 million)[109]
12. New Super Mario Bros. (DS - 8.64 million)[72]
13. Nintendogs (DS - 8.53 million approximately, 5.0 million in Europe,[90] 2.1 million in US,[91][92] 1.43 million in Japan)[93]
14. Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day! (DS - 8.51 million)[94]
15. Mario Kart 64 (N64 - 2.24 million in Japan,[56] 6.23 million in US only,[59] approximately 8.47 million)
16. Donkey Kong Country (SNES - 8.30 million)[57]
17. Pokémon Yellow (Game Boy - 3.16 million in Japan,[56] 5.10 million in US,[58] approximately 8.26 million)
18. Super Mario Kart (SNES - 8 million)[25]
19. GoldenEye 007 (N64 - 8 million)[60]
20. Tomb Raider II (PS - 8 million)[40]
21. Halo 2 (8 million)[40]

 Ok, so lets look.  Out of the top 21 best selling non-bundled games of all time, 11 (green) are owned by Nintendo.  For those that noticed I highlighted Donkey Kong Country in green for Nintendo...that's right.  Donkey Kong the character is infact owned by Nintendo, though DKC was developed by Rare.  The rights are Nintendo's hence why it's on the VC.  Anyway, another 5 (yellow) have or will be showing up on a Nintendo system.  That leaves only 5 (red) that will never show up on a Nintendo console.  Out of the top 21 best selling games/franchises ever, over HALF are Nintendo's.  And another quarter of them can potentially show up on the Wii.  Casuals only interested in GTA, Halo, and GT?  lmfao, dude :lol:

[QUOTE="harry2k5"]informative. time will tell-CheeseEater-

[QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

I still think Wii will come 3rd. It's got the non gamer market covered but casuals/hardcore gamers will completely avoid the system.

I couldn't care less what analysts think. They also thought PSP would beat DS which was ridiculous to me at the time and look who turned out to be wrong.

OceanLeet

lmao

Casuals want GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3, games like that. Wii doesn't have them so yeah, casuals will avoid the Wii.

Dude, that is pure denial. From Wikipedia, the top selling non-bundled games of all time:

1. Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES - 18 million)[25]
2. Super Mario Land (Game Boy - 14 million)[25]
3. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2 - 14 million)[117]
4. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2 - 13 million)[118]
5. Super Mario 64 (N64 - 11 million)[25]
6. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2 - 11 million)[109]
7. Grand Theft Auto III (PS2 - 11 million)[118]
8. Gran Turismo (PS1 - 10.5 million)[109]
9. Super Mario Bros. 2 (NES - 10 million)[25]
10. Final Fantasy VII (PS1 - 9.8 million, includes Final Fantasy VII International)[110]
11. Gran Turismo 2 (PS1 - 9.34 million)[109]
12. New Super Mario Bros. (DS - 8.64 million)[72]
13. Nintendogs (DS - 8.53 million approximately, 5.0 million in Europe,[90] 2.1 million in US,[91][92] 1.43 million in Japan)[93]
14. Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day! (DS - 8.51 million)[94]
15. Mario Kart 64 (N64 - 2.24 million in Japan,[56] 6.23 million in US only,[59] approximately 8.47 million)
16. Donkey Kong Country (SNES - 8.30 million)[57]
17. Pokémon Yellow (Game Boy - 3.16 million in Japan,[56] 5.10 million in US,[58] approximately 8.26 million)
18. Super Mario Kart (SNES - 8 million)[25]
19. GoldenEye 007 (N64 - 8 million)[60]
20. Tomb Raider II (PS - 8 million)[40]
21. Halo 2 (8 million)[40]

Ok, so lets look. Out of the top 21 best selling non-bundled games of all time, 11 (green) are owned by Nintendo. For those that noticed I highlighted Donkey Kong Country in green for Nintendo...that's right. Donkey Kong the character is infact owned by Nintendo, though DKC was developed by Rare. The rights are Nintendo's hence why it's on the VC. Anyway, another 5 (yellow) have or will be showing up on a Nintendo system. That leaves only 5 (red) that will never show up on a Nintendo console. Out of the top 21 best selling games/franchises ever, over HALF are Nintendo's. And another quarter of them can potentially show up on the Wii. Casuals only interested in GTA, Halo, and GT? lmfao, dude :lol:

The list means nothing.

What was the best selling series of last gen? GTA.

Which console doesn't have GTAIV? Wii.

Not to mention the 2nd and 3rd best selling series of last gen, GT, and Halo, both of which aren't on the Wii too. 

[QUOTE="OceanLeet"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

I still think Wii will come 3rd. It's got the non gamer market covered but casuals/hardcore gamers will completely avoid the system.

I couldn't care less what analysts think. They also thought PSP would beat DS which was ridiculous to me at the time and look who turned out to be wrong.

the-very-best

lmao

Casuals want GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3, games like that. Wii doesn't have them so yeah, casuals will avoid the Wii.

Dude, that is pure denial. From Wikipedia, the top selling non-bundled games of all time:

1. Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES - 18 million)[25]
2. Super Mario Land (Game Boy - 14 million)[25]
3. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2 - 14 million)[117]
4. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2 - 13 million)[118]
5. Super Mario 64 (N64 - 11 million)[25]
6. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2 - 11 million)[109]
7. Grand Theft Auto III (PS2 - 11 million)[118]
8. Gran Turismo (PS1 - 10.5 million)[109]
9. Super Mario Bros. 2 (NES - 10 million)[25]
10. Final Fantasy VII (PS1 - 9.8 million, includes Final Fantasy VII International)[110]
11. Gran Turismo 2 (PS1 - 9.34 million)[109]
12. New Super Mario Bros. (DS - 8.64 million)[72]
13. Nintendogs (DS - 8.53 million approximately, 5.0 million in Europe,[90] 2.1 million in US,[91][92] 1.43 million in Japan)[93]
14. Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day! (DS - 8.51 million)[94]
15. Mario Kart 64 (N64 - 2.24 million in Japan,[56] 6.23 million in US only,[59] approximately 8.47 million)
16. Donkey Kong Country (SNES - 8.30 million)[57]
17. Pokémon Yellow (Game Boy - 3.16 million in Japan,[56] 5.10 million in US,[58] approximately 8.26 million)
18. Super Mario Kart (SNES - 8 million)[25]
19. GoldenEye 007 (N64 - 8 million)[60]
20. Tomb Raider II (PS - 8 million)[40]
21. Halo 2 (8 million)[40]

Ok, so lets look. Out of the top 21 best selling non-bundled games of all time, 11 (green) are owned by Nintendo. For those that noticed I highlighted Donkey Kong Country in green for Nintendo...that's right. Donkey Kong the character is infact owned by Nintendo, though DKC was developed by Rare. The rights are Nintendo's hence why it's on the VC. Anyway, another 5 (yellow) have or will be showing up on a Nintendo system. That leaves only 5 (red) that will never show up on a Nintendo console. Out of the top 21 best selling games/franchises ever, over HALF are Nintendo's. And another quarter of them can potentially show up on the Wii. Casuals only interested in GTA, Halo, and GT? lmfao, dude :lol:

The list means nothing.

What was the best selling series of last gen? GTA.

Which console doesn't have GTAIV? Wii.

Not to mention the 2nd and 3rd best selling series of last gen, GT, and Halo, both of which aren't on the Wii too. 

:D

More support for the Wii is always good news to me. 

[QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="OceanLeet"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

I still think Wii will come 3rd. It's got the non gamer market covered but casuals/hardcore gamers will completely avoid the system.

I couldn't care less what analysts think. They also thought PSP would beat DS which was ridiculous to me at the time and look who turned out to be wrong.

jedigemini

lmao

Casuals want GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3, games like that. Wii doesn't have them so yeah, casuals will avoid the Wii.

Dude, that is pure denial. From Wikipedia, the top selling non-bundled games of all time:

1. Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES - 18 million)[25]
2. Super Mario Land (Game Boy - 14 million)[25]
3. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2 - 14 million)[117]
4. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2 - 13 million)[118]
5. Super Mario 64 (N64 - 11 million)[25]
6. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2 - 11 million)[109]
7. Grand Theft Auto III (PS2 - 11 million)[118]
8. Gran Turismo (PS1 - 10.5 million)[109]
9. Super Mario Bros. 2 (NES - 10 million)[25]
10. Final Fantasy VII (PS1 - 9.8 million, includes Final Fantasy VII International)[110]
11. Gran Turismo 2 (PS1 - 9.34 million)[109]
12. New Super Mario Bros. (DS - 8.64 million)[72]
13. Nintendogs (DS - 8.53 million approximately, 5.0 million in Europe,[90] 2.1 million in US,[91][92] 1.43 million in Japan)[93]
14. Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day! (DS - 8.51 million)[94]
15. Mario Kart 64 (N64 - 2.24 million in Japan,[56] 6.23 million in US only,[59] approximately 8.47 million)
16. Donkey Kong Country (SNES - 8.30 million)[57]
17. Pokémon Yellow (Game Boy - 3.16 million in Japan,[56] 5.10 million in US,[58] approximately 8.26 million)
18. Super Mario Kart (SNES - 8 million)[25]
19. GoldenEye 007 (N64 - 8 million)[60]
20. Tomb Raider II (PS - 8 million)[40]
21. Halo 2 (8 million)[40]

Ok, so lets look. Out of the top 21 best selling non-bundled games of all time, 11 (green) are owned by Nintendo. For those that noticed I highlighted Donkey Kong Country in green for Nintendo...that's right. Donkey Kong the character is infact owned by Nintendo, though DKC was developed by Rare. The rights are Nintendo's hence why it's on the VC. Anyway, another 5 (yellow) have or will be showing up on a Nintendo system. That leaves only 5 (red) that will never show up on a Nintendo console. Out of the top 21 best selling games/franchises ever, over HALF are Nintendo's. And another quarter of them can potentially show up on the Wii. Casuals only interested in GTA, Halo, and GT? lmfao, dude :lol:

The list means nothing.

What was the best selling series of last gen? GTA.

Which console doesn't have GTAIV? Wii.

Not to mention the 2nd and 3rd best selling series of last gen, GT, and Halo, both of which aren't on the Wii too. 

[QUOTE="cjnwo4life"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"]

[QUOTE="cjnwo4life"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="cjnwo4life"][QUOTE="Grodus5"][QUOTE="cjnwo4life"]Unless the wii can get good QUALITY games it will be ocnsidered a fad that will see sells fall in 2008. I have yet to see any games that are decent. Until they get some real games I will be holding out. This is the year of the wii, but once people begin to see great games on the 360 and the ps3 who will want to stick with the wii? Esp when the 360 has a price cut that would make the consoles (low end 360 wise) the same price!!!MasterChumly

You sound like the little kids I own on Halo 2.  The only people that are concerned about whether the games are kiddie or not are usually middle schoolers and maybe high schoolers who think they have to play mature games to be cool.  If your going through that faze in life thats cool and all.  You will grow out of it eventually.  If you dont think the Wii has anyone blockbusters coming out for it.......well your the prime example of a fanboy whos paranoid about what people think of him.

Looked at your profile and you definitely fit the desciption of a "Wii basher".  Also like I said before the Wii has a plethora of blockbusters unlike what you may like to think.  Another thing that makes the Wii fun is if you have a girlfriend.  Girls actually like to play the Wii unlike other systems.  Additionally if you have any buddies that could come over and drink with you while playing the Wii that helps also.  Your whole "kiddie" fascination thing with the Wii just strikes me as wrong because theres a multiple great games on the Wii if you can get past "its to kiddie" idea.

[QUOTE="OceanLeet"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

I still think Wii will come 3rd. It's got the non gamer market covered but casuals/hardcore gamers will completely avoid the system.

I couldn't care less what analysts think. They also thought PSP would beat DS which was ridiculous to me at the time and look who turned out to be wrong.

the-very-best

lmao

Casuals want GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3, games like that. Wii doesn't have them so yeah, casuals will avoid the Wii.

Dude, that is pure denial. From Wikipedia, the top selling non-bundled games of all time:

1. Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES - 18 million)[25]
2. Super Mario Land (Game Boy - 14 million)[25]
3. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2 - 14 million)[117]
4. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2 - 13 million)[118]
5. Super Mario 64 (N64 - 11 million)[25]
6. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2 - 11 million)[109]
7. Grand Theft Auto III (PS2 - 11 million)[118]
8. Gran Turismo (PS1 - 10.5 million)[109]
9. Super Mario Bros. 2 (NES - 10 million)[25]
10. Final Fantasy VII (PS1 - 9.8 million, includes Final Fantasy VII International)[110]
11. Gran Turismo 2 (PS1 - 9.34 million)[109]
12. New Super Mario Bros. (DS - 8.64 million)[72]
13. Nintendogs (DS - 8.53 million approximately, 5.0 million in Europe,[90] 2.1 million in US,[91][92] 1.43 million in Japan)[93]
14. Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day! (DS - 8.51 million)[94]
15. Mario Kart 64 (N64 - 2.24 million in Japan,[56] 6.23 million in US only,[59] approximately 8.47 million)
16. Donkey Kong Country (SNES - 8.30 million)[57]
17. Pokémon Yellow (Game Boy - 3.16 million in Japan,[56] 5.10 million in US,[58] approximately 8.26 million)
18. Super Mario Kart (SNES - 8 million)[25]
19. GoldenEye 007 (N64 - 8 million)[60]
20. Tomb Raider II (PS - 8 million)[40]
21. Halo 2 (8 million)[40]

Ok, so lets look. Out of the top 21 best selling non-bundled games of all time, 11 (green) are owned by Nintendo. For those that noticed I highlighted Donkey Kong Country in green for Nintendo...that's right. Donkey Kong the character is infact owned by Nintendo, though DKC was developed by Rare. The rights are Nintendo's hence why it's on the VC. Anyway, another 5 (yellow) have or will be showing up on a Nintendo system. That leaves only 5 (red) that will never show up on a Nintendo console. Out of the top 21 best selling games/franchises ever, over HALF are Nintendo's. And another quarter of them can potentially show up on the Wii. Casuals only interested in GTA, Halo, and GT? lmfao, dude :lol:

The list means nothing.

What was the best selling series of last gen? GTA.

Which console doesn't have GTAIV? Wii.

Not to mention the 2nd and 3rd best selling series of last gen, GT, and Halo, both of which aren't on the Wii too.

Dude...lmfao GTA is COMING to Wii.  Rockstar has 3 games in development.  It may not be GTA4, but it will be a GTA nonetheless.  Halo is a great game, but a little overrated.  It only appeals to a specific group of gamers.  It sells great, but Mario and other franchises are there to counter it.  New Super Mario Bros outsold Halo 2.  Nintendo, when it's firing on all cylinders, is a mighty force.  With the way the Wii is going, Halo 3 is going to look pitiful against the tsunami of Wii games on the horizon from both first and third parties.

The Wii is going to die out buddy, it s jsut a matter of time now. Sure it seems fun to play at first, but it is crap for hardcore gamers. Only three types of people buy the Wii in my perspective: people who are just breaking into the gaming society, people whoa re rich enough to afford multiple systems (Wii + 360/PS3), or little kids with ADD/ ADHD.Setsa

U.S. and Japanese sales of Wii players totaled 1.47 million in January and February, said market researchers NPD Group Inc. and Enterbrain. PlayStation 3 tallied 604,331, while stores sold 584,329 of Microsoft Corp.'s Xbox 360 consoles. Wii is also leading in Europe, said London-based researcher Screen Digest.

dustin-diamond

Hope Lemmings read that one.