Bloomberg Reports: Nintendo's DOMINATION of the industry has begun

Third party devs rushing to Nintendo? Nintendo outselling Sony?

Me, Doc, and Marty are going to go back to last year to post this thread in SW, I'll let you know how it fares.

NECR0CHILD313

...man, you dont get that the WII has finally butchered videogaming down to mainstream mediocrity...

...if there are so much WII's around they can make a big profit with the smallest piece of trash...

...no more will there be any original or forward pointing title on that system...

...by looking at the facts, the WII is dead as gaming machine... the biggest title to come is a port of 2year old GC title, I cant believe it... you know the most sold games are titles like SIMS and stuff, so yeah, celebrate the fact that you have reached the bottom...

WII is the cheapest form of gaming...

of course, everyone is drinking Coke and is going to McDonalds, but I still prefere to have some real and tasty food...

greetz

And yet, the games still suck. I'd rather have the less sold xbox 360 with good games than the new fad wii with crappy games. Golden_surfer

...man, you dont get that the WII has finally butchered videogaming down to mainstream mediocrity...

...if there are so much WII's around they can make a big profit with the smallest piece of trash...

...no more will there be any original or forward pointing title on that system...

...by looking at the facts, the WII is dead as gaming machine... the biggest title to come is a port of 2year old GC title, I cant believe it... you know the most sold games are titles like SIMS and stuff, so yeah, celebrate the fact that you have reached the bottom...

WII is the cheapest form of gaming...

of course, everyone is drinking Coke and is going to McDonalds, but I still prefere to have some real and tasty food...

greetz

hitomo

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[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

Ubisoft, based in the Paris suburb of Montreuil-Sous-Bois, had seven Wii games out by December and plans six more by June, said Tony Key, vice president of marketing.

"It's not really a bet anymore,'' he said. "It's a viable system that's going to make us money.''

:lol:

jedigemini

You didn't get what I meant... :|

Like I have said before, I highly doubt the Wii will sell 16 million units this year without a few killer apps like SMG, SSBB or MP3 and a slew of other exclusive titles. I could see the Wii selling 12 million tops for this year if Nintendo could actually produce that many, if so they could probably ship 16 million at the most. Still though thats highly unlikely and I am not going to even pretend that it will happen because I know it wont come this fall when GTA4 and Halo 3 get released.DSgamer64

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

Ubisoft, based in the Paris suburb of Montreuil-Sous-Bois, had seven Wii games out by December and plans six more by June, said Tony Key, vice president of marketing.

"It's not really a bet anymore,'' he said. "It's a viable system that's going to make us money.''

:lol:

Wintry_Flutist

You didn't get what I meant... :|

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

Ubisoft, based in the Paris suburb of Montreuil-Sous-Bois, had seven Wii games out by December and plans six more by June, said Tony Key, vice president of marketing.

"It's not really a bet anymore,'' he said. "It's a viable system that's going to make us money.''

:lol:

jedigemini

You didn't get what I meant... :|

he means if everyone follows, you will see more games like red steel and farcry vengance. 

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

Ubisoft, based in the Paris suburb of Montreuil-Sous-Bois, had seven Wii games out by December and plans six more by June, said Tony Key, vice president of marketing.

"It's not really a bet anymore,'' he said. "It's a viable system that's going to make us money.''

:lol:

Trading_Zoner

You didn't get what I meant... :|

he means if everyone follows, you will see more games like red steel and farcry vengance. 

My favorite part of the article:

"Developers are going to have to give the Wii their best branded products"

And yet, the games still suck. I'd rather have the less sold xbox 360 with good games than the new fad wii with crappy games. Golden_surfer

[QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

Ubisoft, based in the Paris suburb of Montreuil-Sous-Bois, had seven Wii games out by December and plans six more by June, said Tony Key, vice president of marketing.

"It's not really a bet anymore,'' he said. "It's a viable system that's going to make us money.''

:lol:

jedigemini

You didn't get what I meant... :|

he means if everyone follows, you will see more games like red steel and farcry vengance.

My favorite part of the article:

"Developers are going to have to give the Wii their best branded products"

and again, that is merely speculation.

It's not like just becuase he wrote those words the devs. are gonna be like "OMG I feel compelled to make FFXIII on Wii now!" 

[QUOTE="Golden_surfer"]And yet, the games still suck. I'd rather have the less sold xbox 360 with good games than the new fad wii with crappy games. Zhengi

ooooh burn! 

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

Ubisoft, based in the Paris suburb of Montreuil-Sous-Bois, had seven Wii games out by December and plans six more by June, said Tony Key, vice president of marketing.

"It's not really a bet anymore,'' he said. "It's a viable system that's going to make us money.''

:lol:

Trading_Zoner

You didn't get what I meant... :|

he means if everyone follows, you will see more games like red steel and farcry vengance.

My favorite part of the article:

"Developers are going to have to give the Wii their best branded products"

and again, that is merely speculation.

It's not like just becuase he wrote those words the devs. are gonna be like "OMG I feel compelled to make FFXIII on Wii now!" 

You think devs dont listen to stuff like that, they put games on console's where they'll make the most money, and that's the Wii ;)

How is this ownage when all it is, is specualtion? Xbox 360 will not stay at 10Million sold thats when I stoped reading because I question his logic especially when Forza 2 and Mass Effect are on the Horizon, the biggest game of the summer. Thats why the pushed Heavenly Sword back because they knew M.E. is a more hyped and saught after game that WILL PUSH 360s.Pro_wrestler

Where the big devs go, everybody else follows.

Wow, this article puts in all in perspective, read it fanboys, you'll understandDS_fan_atic

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

Ubisoft, based in the Paris suburb of Montreuil-Sous-Bois, had seven Wii games out by December and plans six more by June, said Tony Key, vice president of marketing.

"It's not really a bet anymore,'' he said. "It's a viable system that's going to make us money.''

:lol:

jedigemini

You didn't get what I meant... :|

It's funny how Ubisoft admits they just want to make money with the Wii, just as everyone has been complaining.

[QUOTE="Rosencrantz"]

[QUOTE="Setsa"]The Wii is going to die out buddy, it s jsut a matter of time now. Sure it seems fun to play at first, but it is crap for hardcore gamers. Only three types of people buy the Wii in my perspective: people who are just breaking into the gaming society, people whoa re rich enough to afford multiple systems (Wii + 360/PS3), or little kids with ADD/ ADHD.VERTIGO47

Yeah, because little kids with ADD hate playing twitch games like FPSers and arcade racers. And the Wii has a ton of those compared to say, the 360.

I am sick of this rampant ignorance that hardcore gamers are people who only play M games and FPSers. It pisses me off. I've been gaming since consoles first appeared in homes. I've owned numerous consoles and handhelds and I follow the industry religiously. ANd you know what? I bought a Wii. Why? Because as a "hardcore gamer" I care about all games as long as they are fun and entertaining to play. And as a hardcore gamer I am sick of the militantly vocal minority thinking they know what they are talking about yet look like fools everytime they open their biased fanboy mouths.

If you judge consoles by their ratings and not by great games...then you, sir, are not hardcore. You are a poser. You are a fraud. Stop making those of us who are REAL gamers look bad by making such ignorant and insulting posts.

You're as much of a tool for speaking out and rambling quick biased judgement about hardcore gamers. In case you didn't know, which is quite obvious, there are Core Gamers out there who have different taste than YOU do. It really depends on what the Core gamers are into these days.

I'm 29, and been gaming since 1982, with the Atari 400 as my 1st ever console.  Since then and for the past 22 years after the NES release, my taste in games have "evolved". Occasionally, I love the pick and play games like Tetris on my old GB. To this day, I'm still addicted to Tetris. But I also love the mature, complex games that we have today, with some minor exceptions (I despise RPGs). I'm mostly into FPS, RTS, Sim Racers, Action-adventure. 

The point of all this is just because YOU'RE a hardcore gamer, doesn't necessarilly mean all OTHER hardcore gamers have to like what the Wii has to offer. Honestly, the Wii, IMO, just doesn't cut it. As for Nintendo, their 1st party titles have been pretty mediocre at best, in the past few years. The last Nintendo game I played was LoZTP on GC and it was a great game, but not better than OoT. 

From my PoV and as a Core Gamer, Nintendo can reap all the benefits as a successful gaming company. Good for them for redeeming themselves, Good for them for expanding the market. That's the way big businesses survive in this type of industry. But as far as the games are concerned, I'd rather look to other platforms and enjoy the games that serve my interests and taste.  

Same here, although I have been gaming since 1989, by 1991 I already had 5 consoles in my house, Atari 5200, Colecovision, NES and then the Gensis which followed, kinda missed the SNES (although one of my friends had one) days till the N64 came out at which point I got a SNES cause they were dirt cheap and some fantastic games as well for it, same goes for a N64. I missed out on the PS1 because it was so expensive and my parents wouldnt get it for me and I had to buy my own PS2, however the only consoles I have never actually owned at one point were Xbox consoles and I never will, or some of the crap old systems like Turbo Graphix 16 and the previous Atari systems. I grew up playing some of the best games ever made for both consoles, Primal Rage, Super Mario RPG, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Metal Gear etc and my tastes have certainly change, however I still love old games as much as the new ones and I have pretty much followed Nintendo the most since I started gaming. I might not be a true hardcore gamer but I pretty much love all genres to some extent and will play most games even if they get not so great reviews.

I too have noticed in recent years that the market is indeed getting stale. The Wii is fantastic in this aspect since it has brought something new to the table, like everything else its a learning curve for developers much like Cell is for the PS3 games, and games may not be phenominal at using the controller yet but there is so much potential for it to be great, it just has to be used and developed properly and not in a gimmicky fashion that we have seen with some games thus far.

OMG Its an Uproar!!!! Fanboys are going nuts!! Lol....GO NINTENDO!!!lilshorty84

How is this ownage when all it is, is specualtion? Xbox 360 will not stay at 10Million sold thats when I stoped reading because I question his logic especially when Forza 2 and Mass Effect are on the Horizon, the biggest game of the summer. Thats why the pushed Heavenly Sword back because they knew M.E. is a more hyped and saught after game that WILL PUSH 360s.Pro_wrestler

So how many people outside of Gamespot actually know about Mass Effect? Not many cause it never gets advertised or hyped, and I guarantee a lot of people are going to see it and say "teh KoToR clone" and not bother to buy it unless they actually liked those crapfest games. Hardly anyone besides lemmings who spend all their time on the internet care about Mass Effect, its got no hype outside the internet, whereas all 360 fanboys are awaiting Halo 3 more since they KNOW its coming out eventually and they dont need to spend all their time on the internet drooling all over their keyboards staring at images from another rehashed shooter. If Halo 3 flops I am going to laugh my ass off.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]How is this ownage when all it is, is specualtion? Xbox 360 will not stay at 10Million sold thats when I stoped reading because I question his logic especially when Forza 2 and Mass Effect are on the Horizon, the biggest game of the summer. Thats why the pushed Heavenly Sword back because they knew M.E. is a more hyped and saught after game that WILL PUSH 360s.DSgamer64

So how many people outside of Gamespot actually know about Mass Effect? Not many cause it never gets advertised or hyped, and I guarantee a lot of people are going to see it and say "teh KoToR clone" and not bother to buy it unless they actually liked those crapfest games. Hardly anyone besides lemmings who spend all their time on the internet care about Mass Effect, its got no hype outside the internet, whereas all 360 fanboys are awaiting Halo 3 more since they KNOW its coming out eventually and they dont need to spend all their time on the internet drooling all over their keyboards staring at images from another rehashed shooter. If Halo 3 flops I am going to laugh my ass off.

[QUOTE="DS_fan_atic"]Wow, this article puts in all in perspective, read it fanboys, you'll understandjedigemini

They don't want to believe that Nintendo might win.

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

Ubisoft, based in the Paris suburb of Montreuil-Sous-Bois, had seven Wii games out by December and plans six more by June, said Tony Key, vice president of marketing.

"It's not really a bet anymore,'' he said. "It's a viable system that's going to make us money.''

:lol:

Wintry_Flutist

You didn't get what I meant... :|

It's funny how Ubisoft admits they just want to make money with the Wii, just as everyone has been complaining.

Which company doesn't want to make money.  However, if they want to make money, they'll have to make good games, or they won't get any sales.

[QUOTE="Rosencrantz"]

[QUOTE="Setsa"]The Wii is going to die out buddy, it s jsut a matter of time now. Sure it seems fun to play at first, but it is crap for hardcore gamers. Only three types of people buy the Wii in my perspective: people who are just breaking into the gaming society, people whoa re rich enough to afford multiple systems (Wii + 360/PS3), or little kids with ADD/ ADHD.VERTIGO47

Yeah, because little kids with ADD hate playing twitch games like FPSers and arcade racers. And the Wii has a ton of those compared to say, the 360.

I am sick of this rampant ignorance that hardcore gamers are people who only play M games and FPSers. It pisses me off. I've been gaming since consoles first appeared in homes. I've owned numerous consoles and handhelds and I follow the industry religiously. ANd you know what? I bought a Wii. Why? Because as a ";hardcore gamer"; I care about all games as long as they are fun and entertaining to play. And as a hardcore gamer I am sick of the militantly vocal minority thinking they know what they are talking about yet look like fools everytime they open their biased fanboy mouths.

If you judge consoles by their ratinREAL gamers gs and not by great games...then you, sir, are not hardcore. You are a poser. You are a fraud. Stop making those of us who are look bad by making such ignorant and insulting posts.

You're as much of a tool for speaking out and rambling quick biased judgement about hardcore gamers. In case you didn't know, which is quite obvious, there are Core Gamers out there who have different taste than YOU do. It really depends on what the Core gamers are into these days.

I'm 29, and been gaming since 1982, with the Atari 400 as my 1st ever console.  Since then and for the past 22 years after the NES release, my taste in games have ";evolved";. Occasionally, I love the pick and play games like Tetris on my old GB. To this day, I'm still addicted to Tetris. But I also love the mature, complex games that we have today, with some minor exceptions (I despise RPGs). I'm mostly into FPS, RTS, Sim Racers, Action-adventure. 

The point of all this is just because YOU'RE a hardcore gamer, doesn't necessarilly mean all OTHER hardcore gamers have to like what the Wii has to offer. Honestly, the Wii, IMO, just doesn't cut it. As for Nintendo, their 1st party titles have been pretty mediocre at best, in the past few years. The last Nintendo game I played was LoZTP on GC and it was a great game, but not better than OoT. 

From my PoV and as a Core Gamer, Nintendo can reap all the benefits as a successful gaming company. Good for them for redeeming themselves, Good for them for expanding the market. That's the way big businesses survive in this type of industry. But as far as the games are concerned, I'd rather look to other platforms and enjoy the games that serve my interests and taste.  

The only tool around here is you.  If you didnt read his post he ripped into someone for a just reason.  Maybe you didnt read the idiotic first post?  Or do you want to be known as the person who only plays M games to try and be cool?  He stated a fact that hardcore gamers DO like the Wii.  Thats cool that some like you may not but some people dont like the PS3 and the 360 also.   Or are you going to tell us what real hardcore gamers are since your always right?  You can be in denial all you want about what games you ";think"; wont be coming to the Wii.  The Wii is going to have plenty of ";hardcore"; games for people.  Many of the so called ";hardcore"; games from your point of view I have found that they have gotten very stale recently.  Everyone has their opinion and you can have yours but you completely missed the point of the post you tried to ";rip"; apart. 

Let me help you understand since you have some reading comprehesion problems

First poster said the Wii is for little kids with ADD

Second poster said that hardcore buy games that they ENJOY which includes games on the wii if they so choose.

You go into some little rant which makes you sound like a major fanboy.

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

Ubisoft, based in the Paris suburb of Montreuil-Sous-Bois, had seven Wii games out by December and plans six more by June, said Tony Key, vice president of marketing.

"It's not really a bet anymore,'' he said. "It's a viable system that's going to make us money.''

:lol:

Tylendal

You didn't get what I meant... :|

It's funny how Ubisoft admits they just want to make money with the Wii, just as everyone has been complaining.

Which company doesn't want to make money. However, if they want to make money, they'll have to make good games, or they won't get any sales.

To be frank this is all analyst's talk, the same type of people who predicted that the PS3/360/PC/Wii will dominate, lets wait until all three consoles have been out for at least a year each before deciding on who is "dominating." 

Speculating is fun.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

Ubisoft, based in the Paris suburb of Montreuil-Sous-Bois, had seven Wii games out by December and plans six more by June, said Tony Key, vice president of marketing.

"It's not really a bet anymore,'' he said. "It's a viable system that's going to make us money.''

:lol:

Nex_Ownage

You didn't get what I meant... :|

It's funny how Ubisoft admits they just want to make money with the Wii, just as everyone has been complaining.

Which company doesn't want to make money. However, if they want to make money, they'll have to make good games, or they won't get any sales.

exactly why the Wii will get the most games this gen ;)

To be frank this is all analyst's talk, the same type of people who predicted that the PS3/360/PC/Wii will dominate, lets wait until all three consoles have been out for at least a year each before deciding on who is "dominating." 

Speculating is fun.

Eothein

The fact that devs are scrambling to get Wii projects off the ground is not speculation, its fact.  

The Wii's record breaking sales are not specualtion, they are fact.

The fact that devs are making less money by not developing for the Wii is not speculation, its fact.

The fact that the devs go where the money is and always try to penetrate the largest install base is not speculation, its fact.  

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="OceanLeet"][QUOTE="BuddaX"]

LORD OF THE CONSOLES: RETURN OF THE KING

sodafountan

lmao. Nice :lol:

How is this ownage when all it is, is specualtion? Xbox 360 will not stay at 10Million sold thats when I stoped reading because I question his logic especially when Forza 2 and Mass Effect are on the Horizon, the biggest game of the summer. Thats why the pushed Heavenly Sword back because they knew M.E. is a more hyped and saught after game that WILL PUSH 360s.Pro_wrestler

you have got to be kidding me mass e. more hyped then heavenly sowrd? heavenly sword will own souls once it's released.

[QUOTE="Nex_Ownage"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

Ubisoft, based in the Paris suburb of Montreuil-Sous-Bois, had seven Wii games out by December and plans six more by June, said Tony Key, vice president of marketing.

"It's not really a bet anymore,'' he said. "It's a viable system that's going to make us money.''

:lol:

jedigemini

You didn't get what I meant... :|

It's funny how Ubisoft admits they just want to make money with the Wii, just as everyone has been complaining.

Which company doesn't want to make money. However, if they want to make money, they'll have to make good games, or they won't get any sales.

exactly why the Wii will get the most games this gen ;)

Indeed.  Most fanboys forget about the economics of it all.  Developers arn't making games for the fun of it.  They make them to make money.  The past few months have seen alot of quick ports and cheap games...because the Wii caught everyone off guard.  And the software isn't selling so well.  But later in the year, AAA titles will be arriving and will be selling great, making the devs more money and attracting even more devs.  It's a chain reaction. 

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Nex_Ownage"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

Ubisoft, based in the Paris suburb of Montreuil-Sous-Bois, had seven Wii games out by December and plans six more by June, said Tony Key, vice president of marketing.

"It's not really a bet anymore,'' he said. "It's a viable system that's going to make us money.''

:lol:

OceanLeet

You didn't get what I meant... :|

It's funny how Ubisoft admits they just want to make money with the Wii, just as everyone has been complaining.

Which company doesn't want to make money. However, if they want to make money, they'll have to make good games, or they won't get any sales.

exactly why the Wii will get the most games this gen ;)

Indeed.  Most fanboys forget about the economics of it all.  Developers arn't making games for the fun of it.  They make them to make money.  The past few months have seen alot of quick ports and cheap games...because the Wii caught everyone off guard.  And the software isn't selling so well.  But later in the year, AAA titles will be arriving and will be selling great, making the devs more money and attracting even more devs.  It's a chain reaction. 

[QUOTE="Rosencrantz"]

[QUOTE="Setsa"]The Wii is going to die out buddy, it s jsut a matter of time now. Sure it seems fun to play at first, but it is crap for hardcore gamers. Only three types of people buy the Wii in my perspective: people who are just breaking into the gaming society, people whoa re rich enough to afford multiple systems (Wii + 360/PS3), or little kids with ADD/ ADHD.VERTIGO47

Yeah, because little kids with ADD hate playing twitch games like FPSers and arcade racers. And the Wii has a ton of those compared to say, the 360.

I am sick of this rampant ignorance that hardcore gamers are people who only play M games and FPSers. It pisses me off. I've been gaming since consoles first appeared in homes. I've owned numerous consoles and handhelds and I follow the industry religiously. ANd you know what? I bought a Wii. Why? Because as a "hardcore gamer" I care about all games as long as they are fun and entertaining to play. And as a hardcore gamer I am sick of the militantly vocal minority thinking they know what they are talking about yet look like fools everytime they open their biased fanboy mouths.

If you judge consoles by their ratings and not by great games...then you, sir, are not hardcore. You are a poser. You are a fraud. Stop making those of us who are REAL gamers look bad by making such ignorant and insulting posts.

You're as much of a tool for speaking out and rambling quick biased judgement about hardcore gamers. In case you didn't know, which is quite obvious, there are Core Gamers out there who have different taste than YOU do. It really depends on what the Core gamers are into these days.

I'm 29, and been gaming since 1982, with the Atari 400 as my 1st ever console.  Since then and for the past 22 years after the NES release, my taste in games have "evolved". Occasionally, I love the pick and play games like Tetris on my old GB. To this day, I'm still addicted to Tetris. But I also love the mature, complex games that we have today, with some minor exceptions (I despise RPGs). I'm mostly into FPS, RTS, Sim Racers, Action-adventure. 

The point of all this is just because YOU'RE a hardcore gamer, doesn't necessarilly mean all OTHER hardcore gamers have to like what the Wii has to offer. Honestly, the Wii, IMO, just doesn't cut it. As for Nintendo, their 1st party titles have been pretty mediocre at best, in the past few years. The last Nintendo game I played was LoZTP on GC and it was a great game, but not better than OoT. 

From my PoV and as a Core Gamer, Nintendo can reap all the benefits as a successful gaming company. Good for them for redeeming themselves, Good for them for expanding the market. That's the way big businesses survive in this type of industry. But as far as the games are concerned, I'd rather look to other platforms and enjoy the games that serve my interests and taste.  

I fail to find one single rebuttal in your post towards anything I said.  But you get to call someone a tool...so good on you.

The fact is that no logical "hardcore gamer" can write off ANY console as being a "fad" or "kiddie".  You can say all you want that some games don't appeal to you.  That's fine and I would agree.  But to write off an entire console the way the person I quoted did, is not the action of a hardcore gamer or someone who cares about playing great games.  It is the words of someone who cares more about image than actual gaming.

Indeed. Most fanboys forget about the economics of it all. Developers arn't making games for the fun of it. They make them to make money. The past few months have seen alot of quick ports and cheap games...because the Wii caught everyone off guard. And the software isn't selling so well. But later in the year, AAA titles will be arriving and will be selling great, making the devs more money and attracting even more devs. It's a chain reaction.

OceanLeet

Actually, the existing third party games for Wii are selling pretty well, especially in the western markets that most of them are geared to.

I can only imagine how many Wii games are going to be announced at E3.

If the king has returned, E3 will be like the crowning of the king.

[QUOTE="Eothein"]

To be frank this is all analyst's talk, the same type of people who predicted that the PS3/360/PC/Wii will dominate, lets wait until all three consoles have been out for at least a year each before deciding on who is "dominating." 

Speculating is fun.

jedigemini

The fact that devs are scrambling to get Wii projects off the ground is not speculation, its fact.  

The Wii's record breaking sales are not specualtion, they are fact.

The fact that devs are making less money by not developing for the Wii is not speculation, its fact.

The fact that the devs go where the money is and always try to penetrate the largest install base is not speculation, its fact.  

My post was a bit of a blanket statement but here I go again.

Those studios are now "shifting focus" to the Wii buts that no good sign of quilty games. Ubisoft for example had loads of their titles, both developed or published by them avalialbe at the Wii launch, apart from Rayman they all go ripped apart for being rubbish.

Still time will tell if the fruits of their labour won't turn out to be rotten, but right now there is only a handfull of good games on the Wii and they all have been developed and published under the Nintendo umbrella.

Wii did break launch records etc, but the records it set in the Uk for example have since been broken. Nintendo need to ship more consoles out to the shops in order to attract more customers and retain a grip on the market becuase at the moment a Wii will stay on the shelf for about a minute before a gamer snaps it up.

The fact that devs are scrambling to get Wii projects off the ground is not speculation, its fact.  

They are doing that for the 360/PS3 as well. They do make less money by not developing for Wii but some companies don't feel the need to, like Epic studios for example.

PS largest install base = 360 this gen at the moment

[QUOTE="VERTIGO47"][QUOTE="Rosencrantz"]

[QUOTE="Setsa"]The Wii is going to die out buddy, it s jsut a matter of time now. Sure it seems fun to play at first, but it is crap for hardcore gamers. Only three types of people buy the Wii in my perspective: people who are just breaking into the gaming society, people whoa re rich enough to afford multiple systems (Wii + 360/PS3), or little kids with ADD/ ADHD.Rosencrantz

Yeah, because little kids with ADD hate playing twitch games like FPSers and arcade racers. And the Wii has a ton of those compared to say, the 360.

I am sick of this rampant ignorance that hardcore gamers are people who only play M games and FPSers. It pisses me off. I've been gaming since consoles first appeared in homes. I've owned numerous consoles and handhelds and I follow the industry religiously. ANd you know what? I bought a Wii. Why? Because as a "hardcore gamer" I care about all games as long as they are fun and entertaining to play. And as a hardcore gamer I am sick of the militantly vocal minority thinking they know what they are talking about yet look like fools everytime they open their biased fanboy mouths.

If you judge consoles by their ratings and not by great games...then you, sir, are not hardcore. You are a poser. You are a fraud. Stop making those of us who are REAL gamers look bad by making such ignorant and insulting posts.

You're as much of a tool for speaking out and rambling quick biased judgement about hardcore gamers. In case you didn't know, which is quite obvious, there are Core Gamers out there who have different taste than YOU do. It really depends on what the Core gamers are into these days.

I'm 29, and been gaming since 1982, with the Atari 400 as my 1st ever console.  Since then and for the past 22 years after the NES release, my taste in games have "evolved". Occasionally, I love the pick and play games like Tetris on my old GB. To this day, I'm still addicted to Tetris. But I also love the mature, complex games that we have today, with some minor exceptions (I despise RPGs). I'm mostly into FPS, RTS, Sim Racers, Action-adventure. 

The point of all this is just because YOU'RE a hardcore gamer, doesn't necessarilly mean all OTHER hardcore gamers have to like what the Wii has to offer. Honestly, the Wii, IMO, just doesn't cut it. As for Nintendo, their 1st party titles have been pretty mediocre at best, in the past few years. The last Nintendo game I played was LoZTP on GC and it was a great game, but not better than OoT. 

From my PoV and as a Core Gamer, Nintendo can reap all the benefits as a successful gaming company. Good for them for redeeming themselves, Good for them for expanding the market. That's the way big businesses survive in this type of industry. But as far as the games are concerned, I'd rather look to other platforms and enjoy the games that serve my interests and taste.  

I fail to find one single rebuttal in your post towards anything I said.  But you get to call someone a tool...so good on you.

The fact is that no logical "hardcore gamer" can write off ANY console as being a "fad" or "kiddie".  You can say all you want that some games don't appeal to you.  That's fine and I would agree.  But to write off an entire console the way the person I quoted did, is not the action of a hardcore gamer or someone who cares about playing great games.  It is the words of someone who cares more about image than actual gaming.

A true hardcore gamer wouldn't be so biased as to drop an entire system.  A true hardcore gamer would never fault something for being "kiddy"..

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Eothein"]

To be frank this is all analyst's talk, the same type of people who predicted that the PS3/360/PC/Wii will dominate, lets wait until all three consoles have been out for at least a year each before deciding on who is "dominating." 

Speculating is fun.

Eothein

The fact that devs are scrambling to get Wii projects off the ground is not speculation, its fact.  

The Wii's record breaking sales are not specualtion, they are fact.

The fact that devs are making less money by not developing for the Wii is not speculation, its fact.

The fact that the devs go where the money is and always try to penetrate the largest install base is not speculation, its fact.  

My post was a bit of a blanket statement but here I go again.

Those studios are now "shifting focus" to the Wii buts that no good sign of quilty games. Ubisoft for example had loads of their titles, both developed or published by them avalialbe at the Wii launch, apart from Rayman they all go ripped apart for being rubbish.

Still time will tell if the fruits of their labour won't turn out to be rotten, but right now there is only a handfull of good games on the Wii and they all have been developed and published under the Nintendo umbrella.

Wii did break launch records etc, but the records it set in the Uk for example have since been broken. Nintendo need to ship more consoles out to the shops in order to attract more customers and retain a grip on the market becuase at the moment a Wii will stay on the shelf for about a minute before a gamer snaps it up.

The fact that devs are scrambling to get Wii projects off the ground is not speculation, its fact.  

They are doing that for the 360/PS3 as well. They do make less money by not developing for Wii but some companies don't feel the need to, like Epic studios for example.

PS largest install base = 360 this gen at the moment

My favorite part of the article:

"Developers are going to have to give the Wii their best branded products"

I'll say it again, devs go where the money is.

Games make money on the Wii,

Good games will make more money on the Wii

Do the math.

[QUOTE="Rosencrantz"][QUOTE="VERTIGO47"][QUOTE="Rosencrantz"]

[QUOTE="Setsa"]The Wii is going to die out buddy, it s jsut a matter of time now. Sure it seems fun to play at first, but it is crap for hardcore gamers. Only three types of people buy the Wii in my perspective: people who are just breaking into the gaming society, people whoa re rich enough to afford multiple systems (Wii + 360/PS3), or little kids with ADD/ ADHD.Tylendal

Yeah, because little kids with ADD hate playing twitch games like FPSers and arcade racers. And the Wii has a ton of those compared to say, the 360.

I am sick of this rampant ignorance that hardcore gamers are people who only play M games and FPSers. It pisses me off. I've been gaming since consoles first appeared in homes. I've owned numerous consoles and handhelds and I follow the industry religiously. ANd you know what? I bought a Wii. Why? Because as a "hardcore gamer" I care about all games as long as they are fun and entertaining to play. And as a hardcore gamer I am sick of the militantly vocal minority thinking they know what they are talking about yet look like fools everytime they open their biased fanboy mouths.

If you judge consoles by their ratings and not by great games...then you, sir, are not hardcore. You are a poser. You are a fraud. Stop making those of us who are REAL gamers look bad by making such ignorant and insulting posts.

You're as much of a tool for speaking out and rambling quick biased judgement about hardcore gamers. In case you didn't know, which is quite obvious, there are Core Gamers out there who have different taste than YOU do. It really depends on what the Core gamers are into these days.

I'm 29, and been gaming since 1982, with the Atari 400 as my 1st ever console. Since then and for the past 22 years after the NES release, my taste in games have "evolved". Occasionally, I love the pick and play games like Tetris on my old GB. To this day, I'm still addicted to Tetris. But I also love the mature, complex games that we have today, with some minor exceptions (I despise RPGs). I'm mostly into FPS, RTS, Sim Racers, Action-adventure.

The point of all this is just because YOU'RE a hardcore gamer, doesn't necessarilly mean all OTHER hardcore gamers have to like what the Wii has to offer. Honestly, the Wii, IMO, just doesn't cut it. As for Nintendo, their 1st party titles have been pretty mediocre at best, in the past few years. The last Nintendo game I played was LoZTP on GC and it was a great game, but not better than OoT.

From my PoV and as a Core Gamer, Nintendo can reap all the benefits as a successful gaming company. Good for them for redeeming themselves, Good for them for expanding the market. That's the way big businesses survive in this type of industry. But as far as the games are concerned, I'd rather look to other platforms and enjoy the games that serve my interests and taste.

I fail to find one single rebuttal in your post towards anything I said. But you get to call someone a tool...so good on you.

The fact is that no logical "hardcore gamer" can write off ANY console as being a "fad" or "kiddie". You can say all you want that some games don't appeal to you. That's fine and I would agree. But to write off an entire console the way the person I quoted did, is not the action of a hardcore gamer or someone who cares about playing great games. It is the words of someone who cares more about image than actual gaming.

A true hardcore gamer wouldn't be so biased as to drop an entire system. A true hardcore gamer would never fault something for being "kiddy"..

There are far more "hardcore" gamers then there are Hardcore gamers...

Real hardcore gamers don't need to reassure themselves they are hardcore gamers.  

[QUOTE="OceanLeet"]

Indeed. Most fanboys forget about the economics of it all. Developers arn't making games for the fun of it. They make them to make money. The past few months have seen alot of quick ports and cheap games...because the Wii caught everyone off guard. And the software isn't selling so well. But later in the year, AAA titles will be arriving and will be selling great, making the devs more money and attracting even more devs. It's a chain reaction.

Iyethar

Actually, the existing third party games for Wii are selling pretty well, especially in the western markets that most of them are geared to.

I've told you all what will happen to Nintendo gaming if it penetrates the casual market.  I doubt it will penetrate the market enough to forever destroy gaming, but we WILL see a SHARP fall in quality within Nintendo.  They might be selling more games, but only because they push products through franchise labels and low production costs.  See my profile on why this is a terrible thing for the industry (and especially Nintendo fans who still have high expectations and standards). 

Welcome to hell.

Welcome to the shallow, childish, and self-made video game hell that Nintendo consumers are creating for us.

Let us strike a dirge in honor of what video games could accomplish if people would simply wake up and demand quality products with their money.

FoamingPanda

[QUOTE="Eothein"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Eothein"]

To be frank this is all analyst's talk, the same type of people who predicted that the PS3/360/PC/Wii will dominate, lets wait until all three consoles have been out for at least a year each before deciding on who is "dominating." 

Speculating is fun.

jedigemini

The fact that devs are scrambling to get Wii projects off the ground is not speculation, its fact.  

The Wii's record breaking sales are not specualtion, they are fact.

The fact that devs are making less money by not developing for the Wii is not speculation, its fact.

The fact that the devs go where the money is and always try to penetrate the largest install base is not speculation, its fact.  

My post was a bit of a blanket statement but here I go again.

Those studios are now "shifting focus" to the Wii buts that no good sign of quilty games. Ubisoft for example had loads of their titles, both developed or published by them avalialbe at the Wii launch, apart from Rayman they all go ripped apart for being rubbish.

Still time will tell if the fruits of their labour won't turn out to be rotten, but right now there is only a handfull of good games on the Wii and they all have been developed and published under the Nintendo umbrella.

Wii did break launch records etc, but the records it set in the Uk for example have since been broken. Nintendo need to ship more consoles out to the shops in order to attract more customers and retain a grip on the market becuase at the moment a Wii will stay on the shelf for about a minute before a gamer snaps it up.

The fact that devs are scrambling to get Wii projects off the ground is not speculation, its fact.  

They are doing that for the 360/PS3 as well. They do make less money by not developing for Wii but some companies don't feel the need to, like Epic studios for example.

PS largest install base = 360 this gen at the moment

My favorite part of the article:

"Developers are going to have to give the Wii their best branded products"

I'll say it again, devs go where the money is.

Games make money on the Wii,

Good games will make more money on the Wii

Do the math.

Devs go where the money goes? Yes they do but there are hundreds still not commited to doing anything on the Wii. Aye its at the moment but the Wii sales are very good at the moment but it could all change, see what I did there?

Games also make money on the 360/PS3 hence all the exclusives on those consoles, they are also some of the most hyped games at the moment. You only need to look at the games that people are looking at on Gamespot's forntpage to see what gamers want and currentley there is no Wii games on that list, you do the math.

There are far more "hardcore" gamers then there are Hardcore gamers...

 

Real hardcore gamers don't need to reassure themselves they are hardcore gamers.  

GundamGuy0

/jk

P.S. just 4 more posts to 400.

To all the Nintendo fanboys,

    Just because money hungry corps. are jumping on the wii because of its casual appeal does not make it the best.  Hardcore games like FF, MGS, or Mass Effect will not make it to the wii because casuals are the primary shoppers.  The wii is limited in hardware and online capabilities which is a turn off to most of the competative gamers, or gamers who keep their hardware in tip-top shape.  I had a wii, and I can attest to the fact that it is a gimmick.  Sure it was a blast for a few months but you could only swing you arms around like an idiot for so long before you got sick of it.  My friends an I now opt for split screen resistance or gears because they are more mature, and more fun for us old guys who have been playing games since the dawn of games.  My gf who never played games in her life liked the wii.  Now do you think big companies are gonna outsource games like MGS to her, heck no!!  And if they do they will saddened by the lack in sales.  FF is another story, but crystal chronicles targets the nintendo crowd perfectly while XIII will target the more mature PS3 crowd.  Stop hoping that every developer will jump ship for the wii, and that every major IP will go to the wii because you will be disappointed.

 PS3/360 owner, ex-wii owner.

[QUOTE="Nex_Ownage"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

Ubisoft, based in the Paris suburb of Montreuil-Sous-Bois, had seven Wii games out by December and plans six more by June, said Tony Key, vice president of marketing.

"It's not really a bet anymore,'' he said. "It's a viable system that's going to make us money.''

:lol:

jedigemini

You didn't get what I meant... :|

It's funny how Ubisoft admits they just want to make money with the Wii, just as everyone has been complaining.

Which company doesn't want to make money. However, if they want to make money, they'll have to make good games, or they won't get any sales.

exactly why the Wii will get the most games this gen ;)

And how many of those games are going to be ports of old games and garbage? The vast majority.