Crytek,say taht Consoles shooters are at the level of PC shooter, 5-6 years ago

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"]

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]:lol: What PC shooter came out in 2001 or 2002 that is on the level of Bioshock 360, Halo 3 or even FEAR 360?Spartan070

Quake? Unreal Tournament? System Shock 2? Deus Ex? And those are all pre-2001. Seriously, the optimized multiplayer version of Quake, Quakeworld, was released in late 1996/early 1997 (shortly after Quake itself) and absolutely murders any Halo when it comes to online FPS gaming.

...not everyone only buys FPS games for MP you know...or maybe you don't..well now you do.:D

And Tribes, the game game that OBVIOUSLY heavily influenced Halo along with Half-Life 1... (flood LOL).

Meu2k7

Whether it was influenced by it or not, Tribes is not in any regard on any level with Halo 3.

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"]

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]:lol: What PC shooter came out in 2001 or 2002 that is on the level of Bioshock 360, Halo 3 or even FEAR 360?Spartan070

Quake? Unreal Tournament? System Shock 2? Deus Ex? And those are all pre-2001. Seriously, the optimized multiplayer version of Quake, Quakeworld, was released in late 1996/early 1997 (shortly after Quake itself) and absolutely murders any Halo when it comes to online FPS gaming.

...not everyone only buys FPS games for MP you know...or maybe you don't..well now you do.:D

System Shock 2, Deus Ex, Half Life, Unreal, Quake 2 and 3, and a few others are all top notch pre-2001 single player FPS's that are at the very least up there with Bioshock and Halo. Halo's singleplayer was good in the first one, even if it did recycle every room over and over, but Halo 2 and Halo 3 were a bit underwhelming. The multiplayer is their saving grace.

:lol: What PC shooter came out in 2001 or 2002 that is on the level of Bioshock 360, Halo 3 or even FEAR 360?Spartan070

Counter-Strike, Quake III and Unreal Tournament all in 1999. Those beat all shooters the 360 currently has.

Well the mouse is the best on that we can all agree that right there is a major problem no kbam support. Also the auto aim is to make up for that and to give newbs a way to fight back. Also halo 3 hit box's need work you can aim to the left or right of the head and still get hits. The no scope glitch is also back thanks to you guessed it auto aim.Console also have poor or no mod supportlike pc so when a problem happens or you want to improve the game you can't.

Halo 3 is still a good game it's just not all it could have been.

ChiChiMonKilla

P.S.- o.o Sorry if I sound defensive,im really not.

[QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"]

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]:lol: What PC shooter came out in 2001 or 2002 that is on the level of Bioshock 360, Halo 3 or even FEAR 360?smokeydabear076

Quake? Unreal Tournament? System Shock 2? Deus Ex? And those are all pre-2001. Seriously, the optimized multiplayer version of Quake, Quakeworld, was released in late 1996/early 1997 (shortly after Quake itself) and absolutely murders any Halo when it comes to online FPS gaming.

...not everyone only buys FPS games for MP you know...or maybe you don't..well now you do.:D

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]:lol: What PC shooter came out in 2001 or 2002 that is on the level of Bioshock 360, Halo 3 or even FEAR 360?Thompsonwhore

Counter-Strike, Quake III and Unreal Tournament all in 1999. Those beat all shooters the 360 currently has.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"]

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]:lol: What PC shooter came out in 2001 or 2002 that is on the level of Bioshock 360, Halo 3 or even FEAR 360?Spartan070

Quake? Unreal Tournament? System Shock 2? Deus Ex? And those are all pre-2001. Seriously, the optimized multiplayer version of Quake, Quakeworld, was released in late 1996/early 1997 (shortly after Quake itself) and absolutely murders any Halo when it comes to online FPS gaming.

...not everyone only buys FPS games for MP you know...or maybe you don't..well now you do.:D

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"]

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]:lol: What PC shooter came out in 2001 or 2002 that is on the level of Bioshock 360, Halo 3 or even FEAR 360?Spartan070

Quake? Unreal Tournament? System Shock 2? Deus Ex? And those are all pre-2001. Seriously, the optimized multiplayer version of Quake, Quakeworld, was released in late 1996/early 1997 (shortly after Quake itself) and absolutely murders any Halo when it comes to online FPS gaming.

...not everyone only buys FPS games for MP you know...or maybe you don't..well now you do.:D

Well, much of the acclaim Halo gets is for its multiplayer, which I think is where it's overrated. There have been PC shooters released many years ago that offered a better multiplayer experience. The one thing Halo does which is cool is add a decent campaign on top of the multiplayer. Quake's single-player shouldn't have existed, Unreal Tournament's SP was just bots, SS2 and Deus Ex didn't have strong multiplayer modes, etc. Even Half-Life 1's vanilla out-of-the-box multiplayer was pretty terrible, but mods like CS saved its MP.

But since Halo mainly gets its props for its MP, that's mostly what I judge it by. I don't think its bread-and-butter MP holds up to most strong multiplayer PC shooters, and I don't think its campaign holds up to most strong singleplayer PC shooters. I can't help but feel that Halo would've been better off concentrating solely on multiplayer. I bet the next Halo FPS will be MP-only, if they can find a way to price it appropriately. Not like that would matter, anyway.

[QUOTE="RickGotti"]The funny thing is, is that Far Cry was the worst console shooter I've played in a looooooooong time. They should shut their collective pieholesbignice12

Funny thing is, Far Cry on the consoles wasn't made by Crytek but ubisoft.

funny thing is, i own the game and when you turn in on it says *crytek*

[QUOTE="bignice12"]

[QUOTE="RickGotti"]The funny thing is, is that Far Cry was the worst console shooter I've played in a looooooooong time. They should shut their collective pieholesHungryLikeAMug

Funny thing is, Far Cry on the consoles wasn't made by Crytek but ubisoft.

funny thing is, i own the game and when you turn in on it says *crytek*

Because its Crytek's engine that runs the game... Crytek had NOTHING to do with making the actual game.

System Shock 2, Deus Ex, Half Life, Unreal, Quake 2 and 3, and a few others are all top notch pre-2001 single player FPS's that are at the very least up there with Bioshock and Halo. Halo's singleplayer was good in the first one, even if it did recycle every room over and over, but Halo 2 and Halo 3 were a bit underwhelming. The multiplayer is their saving grace.

horrowhip

Halo 3's SP is far better than those PC games you mentioned imo, maybe not for it's time but measured against them now, this is no contest.

Also, I don't even have a Gold account, I've logged over 70 hours in Halo 3 just doing SP, not even co-op. Another 15 or so in Forge creating maps I may one day upload.

The SP is the saving grace for me...

[QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"]

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]:lol: What PC shooter came out in 2001 or 2002 that is on the level of Bioshock 360, Halo 3 or even FEAR 360?Spartan070

Quake? Unreal Tournament? System Shock 2? Deus Ex? And those are all pre-2001. Seriously, the optimized multiplayer version of Quake, Quakeworld, was released in late 1996/early 1997 (shortly after Quake itself) and absolutely murders any Halo when it comes to online FPS gaming.

...not everyone only buys FPS games for MP you know...or maybe you don't..well now you do.:D

System Shock 2, Deus Ex, Half Life, Unreal, Quake 2 and 3, and a few others are all top notch pre-2001 single player FPS's that are at the very least up there with Bioshock and Halo. Halo's singleplayer was good in the first one, even if it did recycle every room over and over, but Halo 2 and Halo 3 were a bit underwhelming. The multiplayer is their saving grace.

Halo 3's SP is far better than those PC games you mentioned imo, maybe not for it's time but measured against them now, this is no contest.

Also, I don't even have a Gold account, I've logged over 70 hours in Halo 3 just doing SP, not even co-op. Another 15 or so in Forge creating maps I may one day upload.

The SP is the saving grace for me...

They are overall superb in terms of quality. Halo 3 is a fancy version of Serious Sam with a Sci-fi original movie quality story and Bioshock is just a toned down version of System Shock 2 with fancy graphics.smokeydabear076

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]They are overall superb in terms of quality. Halo 3 is a fancy version of Serious Sam with a Sci-fi original movie quality story and Bioshock is just a toned down version of System Shock 2 with fancy graphics.Spartan070

Halo 1 was surprising, which helped out the SP campaign. Halo 2 had a FAR better campaign than Halo 1, the only reasons people complain is the much increased assist aim, the abscence of the noobified God-pistol and the "non cookie-cutter" ending, which now with the release of Halo 3 is being praised.

Halo 3's SP is far better than those PC games you mentioned imo, maybe not for it's time but measured against them now, this is no contest.

Also, I don't even have a Gold account, I've logged over 70 hours in Halo 3 just doing SP, not even co-op. Another 15 or so in Forge creating maps I may one day upload.

The SP is the saving grace for me...

Spartan070

well our opinion differs. Halo's SP is sub par in my opinion. The MP is loads of fun but I like TF2 MP a thousand times more than it....

:lol: What PC shooter came out in 2001 or 2002 that is on the level of Bioshock 360, Halo 3 or even FEAR 360?Spartan070

you're joking about Bioshock and FEAR right? I'll give you halo, but Deus Ex and System Shock 2 are much better than anything the console has to offer.

[QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]They are overall superb in terms of quality. Halo 3 is a fancy version of Serious Sam with a Sci-fi original movie quality story and Bioshock is just a toned down version of System Shock 2 with fancy graphics.smokeydabear076

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]Halo 1 was surprising, which helped out the SP campaign. Halo 2 had a FAR better campaign than Halo 1, the only reasons people complain is the much increased assist aim, the abscence of the noobified God-pistol and the "non cookie-cutter" ending, which now with the release of Halo 3 is being praised.

Halo 3's SP is far better than those PC games you mentioned imo, maybe not for it's time but measured against them now, this is no contest.

Also, I don't even have a Gold account, I've logged over 70 hours in Halo 3 just doing SP, not even co-op. Another 15 or so in Forge creating maps I may one day upload.

The SP is the saving grace for me...

horrowhip

well our opinion differs. Halo's SP is sub par in my opinion. The MP is loads of fun but I like TF2 MP a thousand times more than it....

Halo 3's single player is joke.smokeydabear076

The singleplayer is full of laughs because of how darn cheesy the whole thing is, but other then that it isn't the best thing since sliced bread.smokeydabear076

yeah. TF2 is kind of cheesy too but its on purpose. Like the taunts are so funny.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]They are overall superb in terms of quality. Halo 3 is a fancy version of Serious Sam with a Sci-fi original movie quality story and Bioshock is just a toned down version of System Shock 2 with fancy graphics.Spartan070

I think he should concentrate on making Crysis the success that Halo 3 is. If he does that, then he can talk but as it is he may have jumped the gun. What if Crysis is not well recieved by reviewers? Time will tell but usually it's best if you wait until you win the race before jumping up and down claiming your faster then the other guy.JimmyT2

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]:lol: What PC shooter came out in 2001 or 2002 that is on the level of Bioshock 360, Halo 3 or even FEAR 360?_Pedro_

you're joking about Bioshock and FEAR right? I'll give you halo, but Deus Ex and System Shock 2 are much better than anything the console has to offer.

You really can't convieniently exclude the technical aspects. Halo 3 is technically superior to all FPS games made 6 years ago.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Halo 3's single player is joke.ChiChiMonKilla

nah u think

hmmmm ps3, xbox 360 = there price together around 900 something

gaming pc = 2000 at least for a good machine

so its easy to say that when fps are made for graphic whore and the biggest graphic whores in gaming is pc only gamers that why they fork out tons of money for a high end gpu that comes out right after each other.

so really why kid your self pc gamers pc games only consiste of 20 percent of the income that gaming brings as a whole.

even though i really dont like halo but crysis have not proved anything but have good graphics.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]The singleplayer is full of laughs because of how darn cheesy the whole thing is, but other then that it isn't the best thing since sliced bread.horrowhip

yeah. TF2 is kind of cheesy too but its on purpose. Like the taunts are so funny.

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"]

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]:lol: What PC shooter came out in 2001 or 2002 that is on the level of Bioshock 360, Halo 3 or even FEAR 360?Spartan070

you're joking about Bioshock and FEAR right? I'll give you halo, but Deus Ex and System Shock 2 are much better than anything the console has to offer.

You really can't convieniently exclude the technical aspects. Halo 3 is technically superior to all FPS games made 6 years ago.

... I would have never guessed that 3 generations later a game would be more technically advanced... They doesn't take anything away from their gameplay which is obviously superior.

even though i really dont like halo but crysis have not proved anything but have good graphics.

llidianStormage

Well since Crysis isn't official out, it hasn't proved anything. You probably only notice the graphics from screenshots but you probably haven't even researched the game to know what the game play will bring.

@chichi.....TF2 isn't a perfect example because it is coming to consoles also.

nah u think

hmmmm ps3, xbox 360 = there price together around 900 something

gaming pc = 2000 at least for a good machine

so its easy to say that when fps are made for graphic whore and the biggest graphic whores in gaming is pc only gamers that why they fork out tons of money for a high end gpu that comes out right after each other.

so really why kid your self pc gamers pc games only consiste of 20 percent of the income that gaming brings as a whole.

even though i really dont like halo but crysis have not proved anything but have good graphics.

llidianStormage

what I bolded is incorrect. Hands-on and MP Beta show that Crysis is more than just graphics. Infact, the only thing you could possibly complain about in the MP Beta is the graphics... And thats because they locked it on settings that don't even compare to maximum.

[QUOTE="llidianStormage"]

even though i really dont like halo but crysis have not proved anything but have good graphics.

bignice12

Well since Crysis isn't official out, it hasn't proved anything. You probably only notice the graphics from screenshots but you probably haven't even researched the game to know what the game play will bring.

@chichi.....TF2 isn't a perfect example because it is coming to consoles also.

... but it wont be the same because there is a 16 player limit... Believe me with 9 classes and only 8 players per team its gonna be awkward...

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"]

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]:lol: What PC shooter came out in 2001 or 2002 that is on the level of Bioshock 360, Halo 3 or even FEAR 360?Spartan070

you're joking about Bioshock and FEAR right? I'll give you halo, but Deus Ex and System Shock 2 are much better than anything the console has to offer.

You really can't convieniently exclude the technical aspects. Halo 3 is technically superior to all FPS games made 6 years ago.

I have always rated the halo series highly. I think there isn't anyone who can deny how much quality it has. Yet instead of trying something truely unique, it went out and played it safe. That's the only thing I dislike about the halo series.

But that's not just for Halo. Many games in recent years have really let me down, because Deus Ex and System Shock 2 have both been released almost 8 years ago and there isn't a single game that tries to match or improve upon it. I agree with crytek that console shooters are at the level op PC shooters 5-6 years ago, but the same can be said for all PC shooters in general.

umm, lets see crysis break 300 mil in a week and top sales charts all over the world INCLUDING JAPAN...pfft, yeah,

in the end its bungie and their "primitive" shooter thats laughing their way to the sun, while hermits crawl in their dark rooms with "teh CRYSIS"

axes03

at least thats what cows and lemmings say to the sheep*rolls eyes*

... but it wont be the same because there is a 16 player limit... Believe me with 9 classes and only 8 players per team its gonna be awkward...

horrowhip

Very true, the PC version will be better of course, I usually play on 32 player servers myself, couldn't imagine 16.

gaming pc = 2000 at least for a good machine llidianStormage

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

... but it wont be the same because there is a 16 player limit... Believe me with 9 classes and only 8 players per team its gonna be awkward...

bignice12

Very true, the PC version will be better of course, I usually play on 32 player servers myself, couldn't imagine 16.

the 32 player servers fit the game perfectly. 24 is great too but the 32 is just so chaotically fun its rediculous. Dieing 10-15 times in a 20 minute match isn't bad honestly if you are on offense trying to push the other team back. I like being a scout and dashing into their backfield, wreaking havok and allowing my team to push forward. Thats a good way to win.

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]

Well maybe not FEAR.:P The AI does do some really convincing flanking manuvers though. Yes I think SS2 and DE are fare "deeper" than either Halo or Bioshock, especially Halo, but the overall quality I think makes up for it.

You really can't convieniently exclude the technical aspects. Halo 3 is technically superior to all FPS games made 6 years ago.

horrowhip

... I would have never guessed that 3 generations later a game would be more technically advanced... They doesn't take anything away from their gameplay which is obviously superior.

...and don't deny that you never hear a PC gamer say that older PC games are technically superior than new console games. In this case they aren't, that'swhy I mentioned it.

[QUOTE="llidianStormage"]gaming pc = 2000 at least for a good machine Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="llidianStormage"]

even though i really dont like halo but crysis have not proved anything but have good graphics.

bignice12

Well since Crysis isn't official out, it hasn't proved anything. You probably only notice the graphics from screenshots but you probably haven't even researched the game to know what the game play will bring.

@chichi.....TF2 isn't a perfect example because it is coming to consoles also.

As for crysis there are literally too many way to play the betawith the weapon suit combo andit hasvehicles also (they need work but it's a beta).

No, it's not obviously superior...in fact it's not superior at all... Spartan070

[QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="_Pedro_"]

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]:lol: What PC shooter came out in 2001 or 2002 that is on the level of Bioshock 360, Halo 3 or even FEAR 360?Spartan070

you're joking about Bioshock and FEAR right? I'll give you halo, but Deus Ex and System Shock 2 are much better than anything the console has to offer.

You really can't convieniently exclude the technical aspects. Halo 3 is technically superior to all FPS games made 6 years ago.

... I would have never guessed that 3 generations later a game would be more technically advanced... They doesn't take anything away from their gameplay which is obviously superior.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="_Pedro_"]

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]:lol: What PC shooter came out in 2001 or 2002 that is on the level of Bioshock 360, Halo 3 or even FEAR 360?Spartan070

you're joking about Bioshock and FEAR right? I'll give you halo, but Deus Ex and System Shock 2 are much better than anything the console has to offer.

You really can't convieniently exclude the technical aspects. Halo 3 is technically superior to all FPS games made 6 years ago.

... I would have never guessed that 3 generations later a game would be more technically advanced... They doesn't take anything away from their gameplay which is obviously superior.

in my opinion they are. Deus Ex, SS2 and Half-Life in particular. If you say Halo has a better single player tha Half-Life I will have to slap you. Same with Deus Ex and SS2. Bioshock is one of my favorites too but not Halo 3...Halo 3 just isn't on the same level as those 3 games in particular.

[QUOTE="bignice12"][QUOTE="llidianStormage"]

even though i really dont like halo but crysis have not proved anything but have good graphics.

ChiChiMonKilla

Well since Crysis isn't official out, it hasn't proved anything. You probably only notice the graphics from screenshots but you probably haven't even researched the game to know what the game play will bring.

@chichi.....TF2 isn't a perfect example because it is coming to consoles also.

As for crysis there are literally too many way to play the betawith the weapon suit combo andit hasvehicles also (they need work but it's a beta).

don't expect the vehicles to be that great... Far Cry had horrid vehicle mechanics. Overall, Crysis vehicles are so much better than Far Cry, I won't complain and you shouldn't either.

You just don't get it, System shock 2 and Deus ex may be more in depth than Halo but many people would still rather play Halo 3 over those games, different people like different things so how can you say one is better than the other. That's like saying your girlfriend is better than someone elses girlfriend.

It makes no sense as it's all based on opinion. Just let people play what they want to play, stop acting like children with this mine is better than yours crap.

You just don't get it, System shock 2 and Deus ex may be more in depth than Halo but many people would still rather play Halo 3 over those games, different people like different things so how can you say one is better than the other. That's like saying your girlfriend is better than someone elses girlfriend.

It makes no sense as it's all based on opinion. Just let people play what they want to play, stop acting like children with this mine is better than yours crap.

Nick-M40A3

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="llidianStormage"]gaming pc = 2000 at least for a good machine lettuceman44

You kind of just proved his aurguement wrong right there. First what other hardware did you buy and from where? 1488 is not "2000 atleast".

edit: my bad didn't notice you weren't the person that was originally qouted

...and don't deny that you never hear a PC gamer say that older PC games are technically superior than new console games. In this case they aren't, that'swhy I mentioned it.

Spartan070

well.... HL2 beats 99% of the console games out there still and its 3 years old. Far Cry is similar to HL2 in terms of its graphics. Throw in mods and holy **** you got a freaking landslide in favor of the PC. My games from almost 10 years ago (Deus Ex) look great thanks to mods... Mods should be considered when talking about games...

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="llidianStormage"]gaming pc = 2000 at least for a good machine bignice12

You kind of just proved your aurguement wrong right there. First what other hardware did you buy and from where? 1488 is not "2000 atleast".

You just don't get it, System shock 2 and Deus ex may be more in depth than Halo but many people would still rather play Halo 3 over those games, different people like different things so how can you say one is better than the other. That's like saying your girlfriend is better than someone elses girlfriend.

It makes no sense as it's all based on opinion. Just let people play what they want to play, stop acting like children with this mine is better than yours crap.

Nick-M40A3