David Jaffe says rentals and used games 'takes away' from sales.

'Looks at this months anemic NPD numbers and wonders how much used games and rentals have taken from sales.' -David Jaffe

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Devs need to STFU about this, imo. Renting and buying used is perfectly within the rights of gamers. Devs/publishers need to get over it. It's not like this is a new thing.

I agree I thing they should get a small cut of rentals and used sales, but there has to be something in it for the re sellers and rental places for them to agree.

I think EA is thinking of and implementing solutions, whether gamers like them or not.Episode_Eve

They are competitors.

TBH I think this is by far one of the most subnormal posts I have seen.

Why is it that this is such a big problem in this industry?

Why is it that this is the one industry where this is such a big problem? InsaneBasura

I rented MGS 4, Uncharted 1 and 2, God of War 3, Heavy Rain, Infamous, Resistance 1 and 2. All for 20 bucks. with the blockbuster pass. Beat them all.

well Mr. Jaffe, peopel like me who dont have a job cant afford to buy new games right now. So if you would like to give me the money, I would be more then happy to buy games to support the inustry.

[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]Why is it that this is the one industry where this is such a big problem? DarkLink77

TBH I think this is by far one of the most subnormal posts I have seen.

kunal1092000

No, I'm just letting everyone debate amongst themselves on a particular issue. I don't really care about converting people to my stance, just like the news reports who just report on a particular issue.

Also mate, I wasn't the one manipulating Jaffe's words nor was I pressuring Jaffe to say it. Don't shoot the messenger.

What is this new deal about buying used games?

Personally, I don't really buy them because still, there never used to be discussion about used games

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

I rented MGS 4, Uncharted 1 and 2, God of War 3, Heavy Rain, Infamous, Resistance 1 and 2. All for 20 bucks. with the blockbuster pass. Beat them all.

bphan

[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]Why is it that this is the one industry where this is such a big problem? DarkLink77

I'm not a mega-corp sympathizer though. I do love supporting devs I like, but if more games with a high amount value hit the market, we'd hear less outcry by the industry. Also, a lot of gamers are low on cash because they're in school, no job, or too young to even work. Hell, I'm sure devs / pubs are getting paid well for the most part.

That's obvious that it dose. Sad thing is, there's not much they can do about it.djsifer01

Yeah, I weep for all of those lost profits. :roll:

Seriously, who gives a flying ****? If a few corporations eat it, I'll still be playing games. Independent game development is alive and well, and gaming is well established as an entertainment medium; it isn't going to crash and burn tomorrow, or dissappear, or anything.

I couldn't care less about how well EA, and Activision, and Ubisoft are doing; screw them, and screw the mindset that says they deserve even a modicum of our sympathy.

Stop releasing piss quality games with no replayability for $60. Stop burning your customers with draconian anti-piracy measures. Stop whining about rentals and used games as if you actually think anyone gives a **** about your quarterly reports.

Adapt, fight for the consumer's money, and give them reasons to make a full purchase, or shut the hell up.

Yeah, I weep for all of those lost profits. :roll:

Seriously, who gives a flying ****? If a few corporations eat it, I'll still be playing games. Independent game development is alive and well, and gaming is well established as an entertainment medium; it isn't going to crash and burn tomorrow, or dissappear, or anything.

I couldn't care less about how well EA, and Activision, and Ubisoft are doing; screw them, and screw the mindset that says they deserve even a modicum of our sympathy.

Stop releasing piss quality games with no replayability for $60. Stop burning your customers with draconian anti-piracy measures. Stop whining about rentals and used games as if you actually think anyone gives a **** about your quarterly reports.

Adapt, fight for the consumer's money, and give them reasons to make a full purchase, or shut the hell up.

jethrovegas

why is this such a big issue all of the suden?? people have been renting and buying things used since commerce was invented.. it's nothing new. It happend last gen, it happened the gen before that and so on..

devs need to quit whining ":cry: bububu bu bubu we wants MOAR MONIES!!!!!!!"

Yeah, I weep for all of those lost profits. :roll:

Seriously, who gives a flying ****? If a few corporations eat it, I'll still be playing games. Independent game development is alive and well, and gaming is well established as an entertainment medium; it isn't going to crash and burn tomorrow, or dissappear, or anything.

I couldn't care less about how well EA, and Activision, and Ubisoft are doing; screw them, and screw the mindset that says they deserve even a modicum of our sympathy.

Stop releasing piss quality games with no replayability for $60. Stop burning your customers with draconian anti-piracy measures. Stop whining about rentals and used games as if you actually think anyone gives a **** about your quarterly reports.

Adapt, fight for the consumer's money, and give them reasons to make a full purchase, or shut the hell up.

jethrovegas

Could'nt have possibly said it any better.

*applauds*

He does have a point. It impacts game sales, it's a given.

Adapt, fight for the consumer's money, and give them reasons to make a full purchase, or shut the hell up.

jethrovegas

Indeed. If it really hurts so much, shouldn't they have developed a workable solution that consumers are happy with by now?

Instead they keep trying these forced strategies that screw us, and don't help them much either.

He does have a point. It impacts game sales, it's a given.

edo-tensei

It has a positive impact on sales just as much as a negative one.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

He does have a point. It impacts game sales, it's a given.

Greyfeld

It has a positive impact on sales just as much as a negative one.

What? NO WAI!!!!

Jaffe, you are a genious.

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[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

He does have a point. It impacts game sales, it's a given.

Episode_Eve

It has a positive impact on sales just as much as a negative one.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

He does have a point. It impacts game sales, it's a given.

It has a positive impact on sales just as much as a negative one.

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="Greyfeld"]

It has a positive impact on sales just as much as a negative one.

Greyfeld

devs think that we have 60 dollars+ to waste a month, i have bills to pay and i gotta eat.

thats why i've only managed 2 full priced games this year, i've been buying mostly PS3/360 greatest hits

[QUOTE="Greyfeld"][QUOTE="Episode_Eve"] Just not their profits :lol:.Episode_Eve

I'm talking about profit.

Ok, look at it this way... there are some people who buy games in the first week, or month, of release. Many of these people do so with the knowledge that they can turn around and resell the game and get half their money back within the first couple weeks of release. This is because of the presence of the used game market. I believe that if the used game market were to disappear, we'd see a drop in purchases for new games at the full $60 price tag. And buying a game after price drops hurts the industry about as much as buying the game used.

Maybe gaming shouldn't be such an expensive hobby, then.

dear devs please stop making 6 hour (gameplay wise) games that could be completed in one overnight rental madworld, re5, re: uc, re: dc, Assassin's creed

the truth is people wouldnt even buy the original games if they wouldnt buy used games.

Yes, and no ****. Nothing new here. The best way to curb this is to stop pumping out sequels and poor quality games, and more people will buy them. Also, advertising your game, or rather what sets it apart, isn't too bad an idea either.

Every manufacturer of anything has to compete with their own used products, I don't see what makes game devs so special, it's not like they have to deal with the rampant piracy that music and movie producers do.

*shrugs*

$60 games take away from sales too

it's called upscaling, by raising prices you choose to sacrifice some sales, i doubt Mercedes or BMW are complaining they aren't getting the sales of Honda

Perhaps there was no worthwhile games to buy.Parasomniac

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[QUOTE="Greyfeld"] I would argue that it also improves new game sales. But I don't really feel like mapping out the logic behind it right now, as I've said it many times in the last few days.Greyfeld

I'm talking about profit.

Ok, look at it this way... there are some people who buy games in the first week, or month, of release. Many of these people do so with the knowledge that they can turn around and resell the game and get half their money back within the first couple weeks of release. This is because of the presence of the used game market. I believe that if the used game market were to disappear, we'd see a drop in purchases for new games at the full $60 price tag. And buying a game after price drops hurts the industry about as much as buying the game used.

*shrugs*

$60 games take away from sales too

it's called upscaling, by raising prices you choose to sacrifice some sales, i doubt Mercedes or BMW are complaining they aren't getting the sales of Honda

88mphSlayer

Duh. Of course they're taking away from sales. Is that news? No. It's been happening forever.

Wow. This dudes brilliant. I would have never thought of that.