Demon's Souls Should Not be AAA

[QUOTE="2beers_in_hand"][QUOTE="jerkface96"] well everyone whose heard about this game, knows its for the hardcore only, and almost all the reviews state IF YOU LIKE GETTING YOUR BUTT KICKED THEN YOU WILL ENJOY IT, IF NOT GTFO it is a good game though why dont you try it before you try to down play it. jerkface96

well i gotta say it got sorta overrated :P but the game is okay i insist... the final boss FLOPS hard -_________-the-obiwan

well i gotta say it got sorta overrated :P but the game is okay i insist... the final boss FLOPS hard -_________-the-obiwan

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[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]Why did Prince of Persia get knocked for being too easy then? Maybe it was just appealing to people who aren't skilled?

jerkface96

You're right. I'm going to make the following game: You turn on your console, push the new game button, and a big sign comes up that says WINNER! Everyone's a winner, must be a great game.

Not at all, I never said I thought PoP should of recieved a good score, it just seems odd DS got a free pass for difficulty/asseccibility issues, while PoP did not.

[QUOTE="the-obiwan"]well i gotta say it got sorta overrated :P but the game is okay i insist... the final boss FLOPS hard -_________-Memoryitis

well i gotta say it got sorta overrated :P but the game is okay i insist... the final boss FLOPS hard -_________-the-obiwan

[QUOTE="jerkface96"][QUOTE="WithoutGraceXII"]

You're right. I'm going to make the following game: You turn on your console, push the new game button, and a big sign comes up that says WINNER! Everyone's a winner, must be a great game.

Not at all, I never said I thought PoP should of recieved a good score, it just seems odd DS got a free pass for difficulty/asseccibility issues.

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]Why did Prince of Persia get knocked for being too easy then? Maybe it was just appealing to people who aren't skilled?Vandalvideo

Yes, but then what stops a reviewer from rating some extremely niche, guilty pleasure of their's game a 10? They obviously consider other people when they write their review

[QUOTE="the-obiwan"]well i gotta say it got sorta overrated :P but the game is okay i insist... the final boss FLOPS hard -_________-Memoryitis

well i gotta say it got sorta overrated :P but the game is okay i insist... the final boss FLOPS hard -_________-the-obiwan

6 more to go windwaker!!

6 more to go windwaker!!

Espada12

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]Why did Prince of Persia get knocked for being too easy then? Maybe it was just appealing to people who aren't skilled?WINDWAKER1

Yes, but then what stops a reviewer from rating some extremely niche, guilty pleasure of their's game a 10? They obviously consider other people when they write their review

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Have you even played it?WINDWAKER1

Nope, but I'm ready to argue all day, hence the creation of this thread

Then your arguments and opinions are nothing.

Enough damage control, DS is an awesome game.

Has it ever occured to you TC that the 'hard' ninja gaidens(ng1, black, sigma 1) were all AAA's and the 'not so hard' ones(ng2, sigma 2) were not?

PSdual_wielder

I don't think TC has bothered to discuss my post yet.

It makes me laugh because it's so similar to ninja gaiden. So many people are psyched for it, and 80% of those psyched people will quit after the second level (Exactly like ninja gaiden). This game does not deserve AAA at all, games should atleast try to be somewhat accessable, and if they aren't they should get a worse score. AAA games need to be moderately simple for casuals, but have that deeper layer of strategy for the hardcore.

WINDWAKER1

lol wut???

Good thing you included a poll.

I think it's safe to say that DS' AAA status is well deserved considering it's not just from one freak accident review.

Making a niche game that appeals to the majority of people who play it is a feat in itself.

Toats my HTML is not well formatted when i quote you (sigh...) so here is my response

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So Kevin is actually trying to be psychic and guess what the fans want? If a game is too difficult it should get knocked, if it's too easy it should also get knocked. DS should not get a free pass.

The game is hard, but if you play the right way it isn't unfair or anything. You just gotta devote yourself to it a little.

Damage Control OP....

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Has it ever occured to you TC that the 'hard' ninja gaidens(ng1, black, sigma 1) were all AAA's and the 'not so hard' ones(ng2, sigma 2) were not?

PSdual_wielder

I don't think TC has bothered to discuss my post yet.

Ninja gaiden 2 actually got knocked for being too hard.

I'm lovin these damage control posts, so basically...

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I win? most of you PS3 fanboys have given up already?

Toats my HTML is not well formatted when i quote you (sigh...) so here is my response

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So Kevin is actually trying to be psychic and guess what the fans want? If a game is too difficult it should get knocked, if it's too easy it should also get knocked. DS should not get a free pass.

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

it's so similar to ninja gaiden.

Trinners

Stopped reading right there.

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he obviously has never played it.

I'm lovin these damage control posts, so basically...

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I win? most of you PS3 fanboys have given up already?

WINDWAKER1

LOL, this whole thread is Damage control.

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[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

it's so similar to ninja gaiden.

bokiloki

Stopped reading right there.

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he obviously has never played it.

I guess I did this to myself for posting so many responses on pages 2-13 (or whatever it's at now) I'm not going to respond to all the people late to the party. Read my earlier responses and quote them and try to refute if you'd like.

If difficulty is the only thing you can think about when it comes to this game, then you clearly don't understand why this game is special.

hahaha oh ya...demon's souls getting a 9 is rubbing all over ur face and u cant stand it.....TASTE IT

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

Toats my HTML is not well formatted when i quote you (sigh...) so here is my response

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So Kevin is actually trying to be psychic and guess what the fans want? If a game is too difficult it should get knocked, if it's too easy it should also get knocked. DS should not get a free pass.

toast_burner

Then this is kevin's fault for not bringing the score down enough. A game with major difficulty problems should be brought down out of AAA range, just like PoP was.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

Toats my HTML is not well formatted when i quote you (sigh...) so here is my response

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So Kevin is actually trying to be psychic and guess what the fans want? If a game is too difficult it should get knocked, if it's too easy it should also get knocked. DS should not get a free pass.

Then this is kevin's fault for not bringing the score down enough. A game with major difficulty problems should be brought down out of AAA range, just like PoP was.

STOP FEEDING THE TROLL PPL, THEY NEED TO STARVE TO DEATH

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

it's so similar to ninja gaiden.

Trinners

Stopped reading right there.

well. because im not crap at games. i love the game. i've finished the game multiple times, and i dont care if a game isnt "casual friendly" any score it recieves should be based off its own merits. Being difficult isnt a huge negative esspeccially in this game, casuals need to just be quiet and let the people who like these harder games enjoy themselves seriously.

hahaha oh ya...demon's souls getting a 9 is rubbing all over ur face and u cant stand it.....TASTE IT

Revolution316

I ade a prediction when you had 300 posts you would never make it to 1000, you really proved me wrong

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(I will say again) I guess I did this to myself for posting so many responses on pages 2-13 (or whatever it's at now) I'm not going to respond to all the people late to the party. Read my earlier responses and quote them and try to refute if you'd like.

Write a review then? Who cares

I know, right? Reviewers should abandon their own identifiable ideas and conform to popular opinio-- oh wait... That means they would have to love the game.

Users love the game. The AAA is justified.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

Toats my HTML is not well formatted when i quote you (sigh...) so here is my response

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So Kevin is actually trying to be psychic and guess what the fans want? If a game is too difficult it should get knocked, if it's too easy it should also get knocked. DS should not get a free pass.

WINDWAKER1

Then this is kevin's fault for not bringing the score down enough. A game with major difficulty problems should be brought down out of AAA range, just like PoP was.

The quality in here has dropped to "Damage control LOL" posts and simple arguments that have been refuted 10x over. LOOK BACK and quote me or post something moderately intelligent that nobody's said and I will post back and quote you. For now I will be lurking.

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"] dont just go by the score, read the review. he mentions the difficuly alot so if your someone who hates a challenge then the games not for you. Revolution316

Then this is kevin's fault for not bringing the score down enough. A game with major difficulty problems should be brought down out of AAA range, just like PoP was.

You ever wonder why almost all PS3 fanboys are under 1000ish posts (while only a few are above 2000 (which is still a small number))? All the ones during PS2 left, and all the early PS3 adopters left too.

Windwaker you do know there are about 50 other reviews on there on Demon Souls and 99% give it 90%+

I think you are in the minority 1%

The quality in here has dropped to "Damage control LOL" posts and simple arguments that have been refuted 10x over. LOOK BACK and quote me or post something moderately intelligent that nobody's said and I will post back and quote you. For now I will be lurking.

WINDWAKER1

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

Toats my HTML is not well formatted when i quote you (sigh...) so here is my response

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So Kevin is actually trying to be psychic and guess what the fans want? If a game is too difficult it should get knocked, if it's too easy it should also get knocked. DS should not get a free pass.

WINDWAKER1

Then this is kevin's fault for not bringing the score down enough. A game with major difficulty problems should be brought down out of AAA range, just like PoP was.

dude its not our fault you cant handle the difficulty. if you played this game you would know that its hard but not cheap. I found Ninja gaiden cheap at times. Demon's souls has set rules for combat, it punishes you for breaking them. as long as you play smart you have a chance of surviving.

WINDWAKER, now you've started fad threads :P Anyways, it's been getting many 9+ scores, so it's obviously doing something right.aaronmullan

lol i didn't even notice :D

How can you complain over difficulty of a game you not even have played, DS is not hard it just give a challenge.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]Why did Prince of Persia get knocked for being too easy then? Maybe it was just appealing to people who aren't skilled?WINDWAKER1

Yes, but then what stops a reviewer from rating some extremely niche, guilty pleasure of their's game a 10? They obviously consider other people when they write their review

I'm assuming this is not a very good game, otherwise there'd be nothing wrong with giving a niche game a 10.

Basic standards would. The problem here is that you're saying difficulty is an ABSOLUTE BAD, which it is certainly not. It is something to warn players about -- which the review rightly does -- but whether or not it is too hard for people is based on THEIR individual merits, not the game's. Demon Soul's individual merits were worthy of a 9, just not everyone will be able to appreciate it because of their own lack of skill/intelligence/etc.

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[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

Then this is kevin's fault for not bringing the score down enough. A game with major difficulty problems should be brought down out of AAA range, just like PoP was.

WINDWAKER1

You ever wonder why almost all PS3 fanboys are under 1000ish posts (while only a few are above 2000 (which is still a small number))? All the ones during PS2 left, and all the early PS3 adopters left too.

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] It was knocked by the reviewer for being too easy forhim. Thats all reviews really ammount to, the value judgments of the reviewer. The reviewer isn't psychic, he can't gauge how everyone will react to the game.WAIW

Yes, but then what stops a reviewer from rating some extremely niche, guilty pleasure of their's game a 10? They obviously consider other people when they write their review

I'm assuming this is not a very good game, otherwise there'd be nothing wrong with giving a niche game a 10.

Basic standards would. The problem here is that you're saying difficulty is an ABSOLUTE BAD, which it is certainly not. It is something to warn players about -- which the review rightly does -- but whether or not it is too hard for people is based on THEIR individual merits, not the game's. Demon Soul's individual merits were worthy of a 9, just not everyone will be able to appreciate it because of their own lack of skill/intelligence/etc.

Games should get knocked for being to easy, and also for being to hard. Prince of persia got knocked for being too easy. But somehow DS gets by unscathed?

Example to first point: I love harvest moon games, there's just something about them. But if i gave a review for it, there's no way I'd give it a high score, just like pretty much every other reviewer out there wouldn't either. It's not accessable at all, and it's really easy.

EDIT: accidentally deleted first part of post, though i was in new page when i was really editing, i retyped it to the best of my ability

Too much difficulty is a bad, and so is being ridiculously easy. Prince of Persia got knocked for being too easy, maybe it was just appealing to those without skill? Accessability and Difficulty should be, and for the most part are considered in the review. But, somehow DS got through unscathed?

WINDWAKER1