Demon's Souls Should Not be AAA

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Toats my HTML is not well formatted when i quote you (sigh...) so here is my response

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So Kevin is actually trying to be psychic and guess what the fans want? If a game is too difficult it should get knocked, if it's too easy it should also get knocked. DS should not get a free pass.

WINDWAKER1

Then this is kevin's fault for not bringing the score down enough. A game with major difficulty problems should be brought down out of AAA range, just like PoP was.

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]Yes, but then what stops a reviewer from rating some extremely niche, guilty pleasure of their's game a 10? They obviously consider other people when they write their reviewVandalvideo

"It was knocked by the reviewer for being too easy for him. Thats all reviews really ammount to, the value judgments of the reviewer. The reviewer isn't psychic, he can't gauge how everyone will react to the game."

But earlier i thought you said it actually was based on the reviewers lone opinion. I understand he's not psychic, but then why not rate his favorite guilty pleasure (we all have one, mine's harvest moon) a really high score?

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"] dont just go by the score, read the review. he mentions the difficuly alot so if your someone who hates a challenge then the games not for you. Solid-CELL

Then this is kevin's fault for not bringing the score down enough. A game with major difficulty problems should be brought down out of AAA range, just like PoP was.

He warns about it, but the review was not brought down nearly to the extent PoP was for difficulty issues.

The main thing I don't understand about Kevin's review is how much he said the game draws you in. I like my RPG's to be more RPG... this is pretty much like over-the-shoulder Diablo when it comes down to it. Monster-smashing and item-collecting. I haven't been drawn in yet. Maybe I need to play more :P

Holy crap this thread is still going. TC you really have nothing to do.

"It was knocked by the reviewer for being too easy for him. Thats all reviews really ammount to, the value judgments of the reviewer. The reviewer isn't psychic, he can't gauge how everyone will react to the game." But earlier i thought you said it actually was based on the reviewers lone opinion. I understand he's not psychic, but then why not rate his favorite guilty pleasure (we all have one, mine's harvest moon) a really high scoreWINDWAKER1

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]"It was knocked by the reviewer for being too easy for him. Thats all reviews really ammount to, the value judgments of the reviewer. The reviewer isn't psychic, he can't gauge how everyone will react to the game." But earlier i thought you said it actually was based on the reviewers lone opinion. I understand he's not psychic, but then why not rate his favorite guilty pleasure (we all have one, mine's harvest moon) a really high scoreVandalvideo

Then I redirect my blame from Kevin to GS as a whole

[QUOTE="Solid-CELL"][QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

Then this is kevin's fault for not bringing the score down enough. A game with major difficulty problems should be brought down out of AAA range, just like PoP was.

WINDWAKER1

He warns about it, but the review was not brought down nearly to the extent PoP was for difficulty issues.

Then I redirect my blame from Kevin to GS as a wholeWINDWAKER1

It makes me laugh because it's so similar to ninja gaiden. So many people are psyched for it, and 80% of those psyched people will quit after the second level (Exactly like ninja gaiden). This game does not deserve AAA at all, games should atleast try to be somewhat accessable, and if they aren't they should get a worse score. AAA games need to be moderately simple for casuals, but have that deeper layer of strategy for the hardcore.

WINDWAKER1

Huh? So you havn't played it and say it shouldn'thave a high score,also assume it's like ninja gaiden and think a hardcore rpg should be more accessable?

Wow... I think the poll says it all.

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]Then I redirect my blame from Kevin to GS as a wholeVandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]Then I redirect my blame from Kevin to GS as a wholeWAIW

My god, it's now a two man army

It makes me laugh because it's so similar to ninja gaiden.

WINDWAKER1

Sir you have just failed

[QUOTE="Solid-CELL"][QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

He warns about it, but the review was not brought down nearly to the extent PoP was for difficulty issues.

WINDWAKER1

In the grand scheme of things being too easy or too hard honestly isn't that different. They both have difficulty imbalances. And are you insulting my love for harvest moon? Atleast I'm not the weirdo staring at drawnup MGS pron all day

just cause yoy may suck at games doesnt mean they should get low scores. :P

[QUOTE="Solid-CELL"][QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

He warns about it, but the review was not brought down nearly to the extent PoP was for difficulty issues.

WINDWAKER1

In the grand scheme of things being too easy or too hard honestly isn't that different. They both have difficulty imbalances. And are you insulting my love for harvest moon? Atleast I'm not the weirdo staring at drawnup MGS pron all day. Don't worry, in a few years maybe you'll actually be able to *gasp* touch a *gasp* girl. *Faints*

Your insults wont work on me. But it puts a smile on my face that i can make you edit your post to add something so remedial..

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[QUOTE="Solid-CELL"] You need to stop using PoP as your scape goat. The reviewer does warn about the difficulty. But he also states how the difficulty adds more value to the game. An easy game like (oh god) PoP adds very little challange to the player. So that why it got an 8.0. Do you understand how a higher difficulty and more challange adds value to the games experience? Because your really making it seem like you dont. Go play Harvest Moon...Solid-CELL

In the grand scheme of things being too easy or too hard honestly isn't that different. They both have difficulty imbalances. And are you insulting my love for harvest moon? Atleast I'm not the weirdo staring at drawnup MGS pron all day

PoP also had good things stemming from its easy difficulty (straight from review) "Yet while the unique satisfaction of overcoming hurdles is missing, it is tempered by other kinds of rewards. The platforming is fluid, and seamlessly chaining a number of moves together is simple" yet still huge difference in score. DS got lucky for just squeaking by the AA rating.

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[QUOTE="Solid-CELL"] You need to stop using PoP as your scape goat. The reviewer does warn about the difficulty. But he also states how the difficulty adds more value to the game. An easy game like (oh god) PoP adds very little challange to the player. So that why it got an 8.0. Do you understand how a higher difficulty and more challange adds value to the games experience? Because your really making it seem like you dont. Go play Harvest Moon...Solid-CELL

In the grand scheme of things being too easy or too hard honestly isn't that different. They both have difficulty imbalances. And are you insulting my love for harvest moon? Atleast I'm not the weirdo staring at drawnup MGS pron all day. Don't worry, in a few years maybe you'll actually be able to *gasp* touch a *gasp* girl. *Faints*

Your insults wont work on me. But it puts a smile on my face that i can make you edit your post to add something so remedial..

You're right it's not pron, but people who put hentai like pics for sigs, tend to look at hentai like pictures alot themselves. Sigs are a way to express yourself, so of course i'm just assuming.

just cause yoy may suck at games doesnt mean they should get low scores. :P

BlackTragedy

indeed.

[QUOTE="Solid-CELL"][QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

In the grand scheme of things being too easy or too hard honestly isn't that different. They both have difficulty imbalances. And are you insulting my love for harvest moon? Atleast I'm not the weirdo staring at drawnup MGS pron all day

WINDWAKER1

PoP also had good things stemming from its easy difficulty (straight from review) "Yet while the unique satisfaction of overcoming hurdles is missing, it is tempered by other kinds of rewards. The platforming is fluid, and seamlessly chaining a number of moves together is simple" yet still huge difference in score. DS got lucky for just squeaking by the AA rating.

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

It makes me laugh because it's so similar to ninja gaiden.

BlackTragedy

Sir you have just failed

Indeed he has.

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

It's similar to NG because they are both challenging, people hype them alot, and most people quit after a very short amount of playing. Stop trying to act like i meant something i didn't.

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EDIT: Ugh just broke my promise

WINDWAKER1

[QUOTE="Solid-CELL"]

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

In the grand scheme of things being too easy or too hard honestly isn't that different. They both have difficulty imbalances. And are you insulting my love for harvest moon? Atleast I'm not the weirdo staring at drawnup MGS pron all day. Don't worry, in a few years maybe you'll actually be able to *gasp* touch a *gasp* girl. *Faints*

WINDWAKER1

Your insults wont work on me. But it puts a smile on my face that i can make you edit your post to add something so remedial..

You're right it's not pron, but people who put hentai like pics for sigs, tend to look at hentai like pictures alot themselves. Sigs are a way to express yourself, so of course i'm just assuming.

The comparison between Ninja Gaiden and Demon Souls is so full of fail. Demon Souls aint even "NG HARD" its about 10x more harder than Ninja Gaiden. I played it, it requires skill, tactic, and is definatly not a game for the weak hearted. It deserves an AAA in my book because the game is THAT good.

Disturbed123

^^this. demon's souls is an amazing game

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[QUOTE="Solid-CELL"] You can say whatever you want about my sig...at the end of the day, its only a sig with a chick in bra. If you consider that pron..than..wow. ..

Your insults wont work on me. But it puts a smile on my face that i can make you edit your post to add something so remedial..

Solid-CELL

You're right it's not pron, but people who put hentai like pics for sigs, tend to look at hentai like pictures alot themselves. Sigs are a way to express yourself, so of course i'm just assuming.

Hey, I'll respond to whatever's in this thread, you posted about your sig and you smiling and I responded.

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[QUOTE="Solid-CELL"]Lolz at your rebuttal.. But DID THE REVIEWER STATE THAT ITS DIFFICULTY damaged the games experience?? He WARNS about it...and then almost immediately states that the difficulty adds more atmosphere and strategy. Therefore, earning DS a AAA score..Solid-CELL

PoP also had good things stemming from its easy difficulty (straight from review) "Yet while the unique satisfaction of overcoming hurdles is missing, it is tempered by other kinds of rewards. The platforming is fluid, and seamlessly chaining a number of moves together is simple" yet still huge difference in score. DS got lucky for just squeaking by the AA rating.

It obviously damaged the experience because he had it under the bad column.

[QUOTE="BlackTragedy"]

just cause yoy may suck at games doesnt mean they should get low scores. :P

WINDWAKER1

indeed.

indeed your attempt to bash DS is like a 'sinking ship'.
try again harder when you have a credible argument.

[QUOTE="WAIW"]
Oh, come on. Some aspects of a game can be assumed as being accepted universally (meaning, it is normal everywhere) -- DS is hard (just as a reviewer in touch with gamers would understand games like Contra or Ninja Gaiden are generally regarded as hard), and no one is denying that. Mr. WIND is simply arguing that the game should have been docked points for its difficulty.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="WAIW"] Then show me that the Gamespot staff as a whole are not representative of the entire population of gamer skills. How do you know that you are not an outlier which is having above average difficulty with the game? If you are an outlier, then why ought Gamespot to revise what could possibly reflect the general gaming public's views on the game for a minority viewpoint?Vandalvideo

My god, it's now a two man army

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="WAIW"] Oh, come on. Some aspects of a game can be assumed as being accepted universally (meaning, it is normal everywhere) -- DS is hard (just as a reviewer in touch with gamers would understand games like Contra or Ninja Gaiden are generally regarded as hard), and no one is denying that. Mr. WIND is simply arguing that the game should have been docked points for its difficulty.WAIW

My god, it's now a two man army

Yea, i kinda was, and honestly, I'm getting so sick of posting it's ridiculous.

[QUOTE="Solid-CELL"][QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

PoP also had good things stemming from its easy difficulty (straight from review) "Yet while the unique satisfaction of overcoming hurdles is missing, it is tempered by other kinds of rewards. The platforming is fluid, and seamlessly chaining a number of moves together is simple" yet still huge difference in score. DS got lucky for just squeaking by the AA rating.

WINDWAKER1

It obviously damaged the experience because he had it under the bad column.

[QUOTE="WAIW"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]

My god, it's now a two man army

WINDWAKER1

Yea, i kinda was, and honestly, I'm getting so sick of posting it's ridiculous.

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

[QUOTE="Solid-CELL"] Ok PoP got some blah blah blah..... You still havent answered my question. And its either, you wont, or, another PoP scapegoating post..Solid-CELL

It obviously damaged the experience because he had it under the bad column.

It obviously did damage the experience, if it didn't it would've gotten a AAAA

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[QUOTE="WAIW"] You were letting the thread die :o

Solid-CELL

Yea, i kinda was, and honestly, I'm getting so sick of posting it's ridiculous.

Nah the PS3 Mega fanboys annoy me a ridiculous amount, and this thread is like 25 pages long. It gets really boring after awhile

You are an outlier then. It is generally regarded as difficult (of course, being good at games is entirely reliant on preparation and opportunity, so most people that haven't played a lot of difficult games [which people don't do anymore] will regard this as difficult)WAIW

Great job on making a good topic.

Also bad poll, wheres a spot for the manticores

No. It didnt damage the experience. Because it got a AAA. It didnt matter to the reviewer if it had something in a bad colum. Because Obviously, the reviewer felt that this game deserved a AAA.Solid-CELL

[QUOTE="Solid-CELL"][QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

It obviously damaged the experience because he had it under the bad column.

WINDWAKER1

It obviously did damage the experience, if it didn't it would've gotten a AAAA

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[QUOTE="Solid-CELL"] No. It didnt damage the experience. Because it got a AAA. It didnt matter to the reviewer if it had something in a bad colum. Because Obviously, the reviewer felt that this game deserved a AAA. And regarding the AA that PoP received, well, sadly that overall experience just didnt cut it. Bc easy/hard isnt the life blood of a video game.Solid-CELL

It obviously did damage the experience, if it didn't it would've gotten a AAAA

If I remember correctly... AAAA is better than AAA. I could be wrong though.

[QUOTE="WAIW"]You are an outlier then. It is generally regarded as difficult (of course, being good at games is entirely reliant on preparation and opportunity, so most people that haven't played a lot of difficult games [which people don't do anymore] will regard this as difficult)Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Solid-CELL"][QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

It obviously did damage the experience, if it didn't it would've gotten a AAAA

WINDWAKER1

If I remember correctly... AAAA is better than AAA. I could be wrong though.

There's a difference between what's hard and what's frustrating. Let's say you're behind cover and an RPG comes out of nowhere and blows you up in one shot. THAT is cheap. Then it happens again, it becomes frustrating. I'm doing everything right, I'm shooting these guys on the other side of this map, but when the RPG comes out, I have no way to survive both at the same time, its hard even knowing the exact timing of the RPG. THAT is frustrating. Not being able to survive because your not aware of who's coming is cheap.

What's hard is different. You're getting shot from all angles. You pop out to switch cover and loose most of your health. At this moment enemies swarm up to try to get you while you're health is low. You're screwed, but its because of your own screw up. Feeling responsible for you're failure makes it MUCH less frustrating. So this way, the next time, you take the cover on the left and move up to take out enemies on the side.

Demon's Souls isn't a shooter. Its about timing your attacks and planning your defense (from what I can tell). If you get cocky and attack, you die, fast. If you patiently wait and plan your strike, you kick ass. As long as its not brutal as in, you loose half your health if you mis time something by a second it got the score it deserved.

No you will not get your 5 minutes back.

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[QUOTE="Solid-CELL"] So a game with a AAA is damaged and cant be enjoyed well enough compared to a game that has AAAA? I call damage control on this one..Solid-CELL

If I remember correctly... AAAA is better than AAA. I could be wrong though.

Something is wrong with a game if it gets AAA, otherwise it would get AAAA. AAAA games supposedly have such minimal things wrong with them it vitrually has no effect on the overall experience and the game is beyond fantastic. AAA games have more things wrong with them compared to AAAA, AA have more wrong with them compared to AAA, and A have more wrong with them compared to AA games. It's quite simple, really.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Have you even played it?WINDWAKER1

Nope, but I'm ready to argue all day, hence the creation of this thread