Demon's Souls Should Not be AAA

The comparison between Ninja Gaiden and Demon Souls is so full of fail. Demon Souls aint even "NG HARD" its about 10x more harder than Ninja Gaiden. I played it, it requires skill, tactic, and is definatly not a game for the weak hearted. It deserves an AAA in my book because the game is THAT good.

the moment you said "just like ninja gaiden" i knew you were a lem who hadn't actually played the game.

and btw, if that dude is the quiet kid at school that sits in the corner i'd recommend being a bit nicer to him. those are the kids that come in with trench coats and shotguns.... either that or he'll be your boss one day.

the NG point I made I backed up and everybody moved on from it on like page 2, they are both difficult, that is the relationship I was trying to point out, and how most of the time people quit early in NG, just like i imagine people will do with DS

The comparison between Ninja Gaiden and Demon Souls is so full of fail. Demon Souls aint even "NG HARD" its about 10x more harder than Ninja Gaiden. I played it, it requires skill, tactic, and is definatly not a game for the weak hearted. It deserves an AAA in my book because the game is THAT good.

Disturbed123

Why did PoP get knocked for being too easy then? maybe it was just appealing to gamers with less skill.

^ yes and no. i'd recommend actually playing the game before comparing it to NG's difficulty. i've been slaughtered several times in sigma in a quite cheap manner. demons souls basically punishes you for screwing up, but it never quite feels cheap. more like you should've anticipated or timed something better.

Alright now I'm OFFICIALLY done replying to stupid questions unless it directly quotes something i said earlier that nobody has attemped to refute yet.

Talk about biased poll options...

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

The comparison between Ninja Gaiden and Demon Souls is so full of fail. Demon Souls aint even "NG HARD" its about 10x more harder than Ninja Gaiden. I played it, it requires skill, tactic, and is definatly not a game for the weak hearted. It deserves an AAA in my book because the game is THAT good.

WINDWAKER1

Why did PoP get knocked for being too easy then? maybe it was just appealing to gamers with less skill.

When it comes to combat, PoP required little to no skill in practically every fight. It may appeal to the lesser skilled gamer, which is fine, but what you're missing is the combat had no DEPTH. Demon Souls requires you to plan your steps very carefully or you would make a mess out of the whole situation.

the NG point I made I backed up and everybody moved on from it on like page 2, they are both difficult, that is the relationship I was trying to point out, and how most of the time people quit early in NG, just like i imagine people will do with DS

WINDWAKER1

Difficulty doesn't detract from the experience unless its cheaply unfair, from the reviews its clear thats not the case. As you can see recently a game's difficulty can actually help build up hype and get people to buy it. Even for ninja gaiden, the game is partly famous for being so hard.

guys stop feeding this thread. let him cry in a corner

The game still isn't out here yet, and the last time I imported a game I got charged, so I'm stearing clear of that. I'd at least like to give it a rent, but that's obviously out too ¬_¬

The game still isn't out here yet, and the last time I imported a game I got charged, so I'm stearing clear of that. I'd at least like to give it a rent, but that's obviously out too ¬_¬

Silent-Hal

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Yes, but then what stops a reviewer from rating some extremely niche, guilty pleasure of their's game a 10? They obviously consider other people when they write their review

WINDWAKER1

I'm assuming this is not a very good game, otherwise there'd be nothing wrong with giving a niche game a 10.

Basic standards would. The problem here is that you're saying difficulty is an ABSOLUTE BAD, which it is certainly not. It is something to warn players about -- which the review rightly does -- but whether or not it is too hard for people is based on THEIR individual merits, not the game's. Demon Soul's individual merits were worthy of a 9, just not everyone will be able to appreciate it because of their own lack of skill/intelligence/etc.

Example: I love harvest moon games, there's just something about them. But if i gave a review for it, there's no way I'd give it a high score, just like pretty much every other reviewer out there wouldn't either. It's not accessable at all, and it's really easy.

Similarly, a game's level of challenge will affect people differently. Some will relish the required thought processes, reaction times and so forth. Others will get pissed off and never play the game. Like Prince of Persia, critics take the favorable route, the one that fans will embrace and the one that warns the correct demographics of the game's difficulty. They mention the difficulty and may even dock points, but ultimately, the overall quality is good enough to merit a higher score.

You're also assuming that the game had not already lost points (or, in this case, .5-1.0) for its challenge. After all, despite my nannering of how difficulty can be a good thing, it is under 'cons' in Mr. VanOrd's review.

[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]

The game still isn't out here yet, and the last time I imported a game I got charged, so I'm stearing clear of that. I'd at least like to give it a rent, but that's obviously out too ¬_¬

Jandurin

Another thread opened by a troll who never played this game and suggests games that are hard don't deserve high scrore. This game is meant to be hard and is not for 12 kids like you.

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it's so similar to ninja gaiden.

Trinners

Stopped reading right there.

Same here, I thinks that sig quote worthy hahaa.

Have you even played it? I'm going to guess and say no you haven't. The game scored AAA because it deserved it. I'm sure most people that have also played it will agree.

metacritic score is also 9 so you cant arguye with every1s opinion MMMKKKAAYYY lem?;)....ALSO even if a hard difficulty it still ended up getting 9s across the board. that just shows how awsome the game really is

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

it's so similar to ninja gaiden.

Trinners

Stopped reading right there.

Sounds like a sore fanboy in here. Nothing more.

Why did PoP get knocked for being too easy then? maybe it was just appealing to gamers with less skill.

WINDWAKER1

Demons Soul's DID get knocked for being too hard...I noticed the game didn't get a 10. Who's to say it didn't lose the same amount of points for not having appropriate difficutly as PoP did? Maybe they lost the same amount of points, and PoP lost additional points because of other problems. Demons Soul's was able to pull a 9 in spite of the points it lost because of its difficutly. Follow that?

Demon's Souls isn't even that hard if you know what you're doing.

It's similar to NG because they are both challenging, people hype them alot, and most people quit after a very short amount of playing. Stop trying to act like i meant something i didn't.

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EDIT: Ugh just broke my promise

It makes me laugh because it's so similar to ninja gaiden. So many people are psyched for it, and 80% of those psyched people will quit after the second level (Exactly like ninja gaiden). This game does not deserve AAA at all, games should atleast try to be somewhat accessable, and if they aren't they should get a worse score. AAA games need to be moderately simple for casuals, but have that deeper layer of strategy for the hardcore.

WINDWAKER1

I'm glad you have determined the end all be all formula for making a good game. Now we don't have to worry about any creativity, innovation, or design philosophy getting in the way! :roll: And you made a poll maing people choose between saying yes the game is overscored and they are an over the top 360 fanboy, or that it's properly scored AND they are an over the top ps3 fanboy? Only a fanboy thinks people all think like that.

Oh and protip: Might wanna play it before dismissing it because of "ownage" concerns.

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

[QUOTE="WAIW"]

I'm assuming this is not a very good game, otherwise there'd be nothing wrong with giving a niche game a 10.

Basic standards would. The problem here is that you're saying difficulty is an ABSOLUTE BAD, which it is certainly not. It is something to warn players about -- which the review rightly does -- but whether or not it is too hard for people is based on THEIR individual merits, not the game's. Demon Soul's individual merits were worthy of a 9, just not everyone will be able to appreciate it because of their own lack of skill/intelligence/etc.

WAIW

Example: I love harvest moon games, there's just something about them. But if i gave a review for it, there's no way I'd give it a high score, just like pretty much every other reviewer out there wouldn't either. It's not accessable at all, and it's really easy.

Similarly, a game's level of challenge will affect people differently. Some will relish the required thought processes, reaction times and so forth. Others will get pissed off and never play the game. Like Prince of Persia, critics take the favorable route, the one that fans will embrace and the one that warns the correct demographics of the game's difficulty. They mention the difficulty and may even dock points, but ultimately, the overall quality is good enough to merit a higher score.

You're also assuming that the game had not already lost points (or, in this case, .5-1.0) for its challenge. After all, despite my nannering of how difficulty can be a good thing, it is under 'cons' in Mr. VanOrd's review.

PoP got an 8.0 and the only symbol for bad it had was Cake (for being too easy) just like all DS had was the chair (for being too hard). But DS has a 9.0? They both should be around PoP's rating level.

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

It makes me laugh because it's so similar to ninja gaiden. So many people are psyched for it, and 80% of those psyched people will quit after the second level (Exactly like ninja gaiden). This game does not deserve AAA at all, games should atleast try to be somewhat accessable, and if they aren't they should get a worse score. AAA games need to be moderately simple for casuals, but have that deeper layer of strategy for the hardcore.

santoron

I'm glad you have determined the end all be all formula for making a good game. Now we don't have to worry about any creativity, innovation, or design philosophy getting in the way! :roll: And you made a poll maing people choose between saying yes the game is overscored and they are an over the top 360 fanboy, or that it's properly scored AND they are an over the top ps3 fanboy? Only a fanboy thinks people all think like that.

Oh and protip: Might wanna play it before dismissing it because of "ownage" concerns.

We should be friends, I am also a Super Mega Serious GS poster. Oh wait...

There should be an option "No. TC is just bitter"

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[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

Example: I love harvest moon games, there's just something about them. But if i gave a review for it, there's no way I'd give it a high score, just like pretty much every other reviewer out there wouldn't either. It's not accessable at all, and it's really easy.

WINDWAKER1

Similarly, a game's level of challenge will affect people differently. Some will relish the required thought processes, reaction times and so forth. Others will get pissed off and never play the game. Like Prince of Persia, critics take the favorable route, the one that fans will embrace and the one that warns the correct demographics of the game's difficulty. They mention the difficulty and may even dock points, but ultimately, the overall quality is good enough to merit a higher score.

You're also assuming that the game had not already lost points (or, in this case, .5-1.0) for its challenge. After all, despite my nannering of how difficulty can be a good thing, it is under 'cons' in Mr. VanOrd's review.

PoP got an 8.0 and the only symbol for bad it had was Cake (for being too easy) just like all DS had was the chair (for being too hard). But DS has a 9.0? They both should be around PoP's rating level.

Prince of Persia: The Bad

• Really, really easy
• The new prince isn't a good leading man
• Some combat and platforming annoyances.

Demon's Souls: The Bad

• Extremely difficult
• Some presentation issues.

metacritic score is also 9 so you cant arguye with every1s opinion MMMKKKAAYYY lem?;)....ALSO even if a hard difficulty it still ended up getting 9s across the board. that just shows how awsome the game really is

Revolution316

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[QUOTE="WAIW"] Is easy an absolute bad in video games, considering the GS target demographic? Maybe. An easy game does not require you to think, have quick reaction times or whatever the case may be. That makes it unimmersive and less interesting (yes, modern Prince of Persia was crap. It played itself. IMO). Or, it could make the game more fun to certain players (most critics liked modern Prince of Persia because... it played itself), as they do not have to worry about winning in a relaxing activity.

Similarly, a game's level of challenge will affect people differently. Some will relish the required thought processes, reaction times and so forth. Others will get pissed off and never play the game. Like Prince of Persia, critics take the favorable route, the one that fans will embrace and the one that warns the correct demographics of the game's difficulty. They mention the difficulty and may even dock points, but ultimately, the overall quality is good enough to merit a higher score.

You're also assuming that the game had not already lost points (or, in this case, .5-1.0) for its challenge. After all, despite my nannering of how difficulty can be a good thing, it is under 'cons' in Mr. VanOrd's review.

Phoenix534

PoP got an 8.0 and the only symbol for bad it had was Cake (for being too easy) just like all DS had was the chair (for being too hard). But DS has a 9.0? They both should be around PoP's rating level.

Prince of Persia: The Bad

• Really, really easy
• The new prince isn't a good leading man
• Some combat and platforming annoyances.

Demon's Souls: The Bad

• Extremely difficult
• Some presentation issues.

the platforming annoyances comment is odd because in the good it said "Platforming is entertaining and looks great". Somewhat of a contradiction, but still, for only really having the cake picture for bad, it's odd that it was a point off. Peer pressure is not Mr. V's friend.

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PoP got an 8.0 and the only symbol for bad it had was Cake (for being too easy) just like all DS had was the chair (for being too hard). But DS has a 9.0? They both should be around PoP's rating level.

WINDWAKER1

Prince of Persia: The Bad

• Really, really easy
• The new prince isn't a good leading man
• Some combat and platforming annoyances.

Demon's Souls: The Bad

• Extremely difficult
• Some presentation issues.

The pictures show mainly what they based the score on

You're the worst troll ever.

TC what are you talking about? Demon Souls is nothing like Ninja Gaiden. DS is a action RPG, while NG is a action game.

TC what are you talking about? Demon Souls is nothing like Ninja Gaiden. DS is a action RPG, while NG is a action game.

jasonharris48

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[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

Prince of Persia: The Bad

• Really, really easy
• The new prince isn't a good leading man
• Some combat and platforming annoyances.

Demon's Souls: The Bad

• Extremely difficult
• Some presentation issues.

Phoenix534

The pictures show mainly what they based the score on

You're the worst troll ever.

wanna read the rest?

[QUOTE="WAIW"]

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

Example: I love harvest moon games, there's just something about them. But if i gave a review for it, there's no way I'd give it a high score, just like pretty much every other reviewer out there wouldn't either. It's not accessable at all, and it's really easy.

WINDWAKER1

Similarly, a game's level of challenge will affect people differently. Some will relish the required thought processes, reaction times and so forth. Others will get pissed off and never play the game. Like Prince of Persia, critics take the favorable route, the one that fans will embrace and the one that warns the correct demographics of the game's difficulty. They mention the difficulty and may even dock points, but ultimately, the overall quality is good enough to merit a higher score.

You're also assuming that the game had not already lost points (or, in this case, .5-1.0) for its challenge. After all, despite my nannering of how difficulty can be a good thing, it is under 'cons' in Mr. VanOrd's review.

PoP got an 8.0 and the only symbol for bad it had was Cake (for being too easy) just like all DS had was the chair (for being too hard). But DS has a 9.0? They both should be around PoP's rating level.

It's similar to NG because they are both challenging, people hype them alot, and most people quit after a very short amount of playing. Stop trying to act like i meant something i didn't.

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EDIT: Ugh just broke my promise

WINDWAKER1

It's similar to NG because they are both challenging, people hype them alot, and most people quit after a very short amount of playing. Stop trying to act like i meant something i didn't.

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EDIT: Ugh just broke my promise

WINDWAKER1

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

[QUOTE="WAIW"] Is easy an absolute bad in video games, considering the GS target demographic? Maybe. An easy game does not require you to think, have quick reaction times or whatever the case may be. That makes it unimmersive and less interesting (yes, modern Prince of Persia was crap. It played itself. IMO). Or, it could make the game more fun to certain players (most critics liked modern Prince of Persia because... it played itself), as they do not have to worry about winning in a relaxing activity.

Similarly, a game's level of challenge will affect people differently. Some will relish the required thought processes, reaction times and so forth. Others will get pissed off and never play the game. Like Prince of Persia, critics take the favorable route, the one that fans will embrace and the one that warns the correct demographics of the game's difficulty. They mention the difficulty and may even dock points, but ultimately, the overall quality is good enough to merit a higher score.

You're also assuming that the game had not already lost points (or, in this case, .5-1.0) for its challenge. After all, despite my nannering of how difficulty can be a good thing, it is under 'cons' in Mr. VanOrd's review.

WAIW

PoP got an 8.0 and the only symbol for bad it had was Cake (for being too easy) just like all DS had was the chair (for being too hard). But DS has a 9.0? They both should be around PoP's rating level.

I don't understand how being hard is all that different from being easy in the grand scheme of things. Both games' difficulty is off balance

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

It's similar to NG because they are both challenging, people hype them alot, and most people quit after a very short amount of playing. Stop trying to act like i meant something i didn't.

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EDIT: Ugh just broke my promise

Animal-Mother

yea, i know

Actually i would say he is a pretty good troll. He got 10 pages worth of people raging at him. Ill give this a 9/10.darthkirmy

Actually it's 20 pages of pure rage :P

[QUOTE="darthkirmy"]Actually i would say he is a pretty good troll. He got 10 pages worth of people raging at him. Ill give this a 9/10.WINDWAKER1

Actually it's 20 pages of per rage :P

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[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

PoP got an 8.0 and the only symbol for bad it had was Cake (for being too easy) just like all DS had was the chair (for being too hard). But DS has a 9.0? They both should be around PoP's rating level.

WINDWAKER1

I don't understand how being hard is all that different from being easy in the grand scheme of things. Both games' difficulty is off balance

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

[QUOTE="darthkirmy"]Actually i would say he is a pretty good troll. He got 10 pages worth of people raging at him. Ill give this a 9/10.WAIW

Actually it's 20 pages of per rage :P

I like arguing though, it pains me to just watch people post stupidity

Yes, but then what stops a reviewer from rating some extremely niche, guilty pleasure of their's game a 10? They obviously consider other people when they write their reviewWINDWAKER1

[QUOTE="darthkirmy"]Actually i would say he is a pretty good troll. He got 10 pages worth of people raging at him. Ill give this a 9/10.WINDWAKER1

Actually it's 20 pages of pure rage :P

Well this whole topic makes me do this.

Seriously wtf.