DICE: Bad Company 2 PC has more people playing than both the consoles.

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#101 Mystic-G
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[QUOTE="Instashot"][QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]More playing, less payingSenor_Kami
You can't log on to EA servers with a pirated copy as your key is linked to your EA account.

I stand corrected. I guess the game was a massive sales failure on consoles then.

I remember going to my Gamestop and the guy saying it was the second largest amount of pre-orders they had, MW2 being first. So it prob didn't sell as well as MW2 (which is obvious) but it did sell if that was any indication. No one I seen there picked up a PC copy at the time, go figure. And I don't live in a big city or anything.

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#102 The-Mosher
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Nice! It isn't all that suprising since the Battlefield fanbase is mainly found on the PC, but it's nice to hear that there's a lot of people playing.

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#103 dgsag
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[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"][QUOTE="Instashot"] You can't log on to EA servers with a pirated copy as your key is linked to your EA account.Mystic-G

I stand corrected. I guess the game was a massive sales failure on consoles then.

I remember going to my Gamestop and the guy saying it was the second largest amount of pre-orders they had, MW2 being first. So it prob didn't sell as well as MW2 (which is obvious) but it did sell if that was any indication. No one I seen there picked up a PC copy at the time, go figure. And I don't live in a big city or anything.

Digital Distribution is why. There are 22,409 people playing JUST the Steam version right now.

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#104 jonesy1911
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[QUOTE="locopatho"]Thats because every PC person instantly pirated it! At least the console owners paid for it!!! (joking :P)[/QUOTElol it needed to be a joke, 360 anyone? if anything ps3 owners bought the game ;)
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#105 Mystic-G
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Digital Distribution is why. There are 22,409 people playing JUST the Steam version right now.dgsag

Well I knew that much. I was just saying the console version is selling. I myself still prefer boxed copies of PC games, but it's mere preference.

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#106 Sandvichman
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A well established PC franchise outsold the console versions!? You don't say! :O

News flash guys, call of duty, a much more established console franchise, outsold the PC version! :O

Man, i just love stating the obvious!

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#107 Firebird-5
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I don't get it. Is this news? Of course Battlefield games will be more active (and sell more) on PC.

Who pirates Battlefield? I don't know anyone.

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#108 Mystic-G
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A well established PC franchise outsold the console versions!? You don't say! :O

News flash guys, call of duty, a much more established console franchise, outsold the PC version! :O

Man, i just love stating the obvious!

Sandvichman
You are aware that Call of Duty had a PC fanbase before you ever heard the name of it right? It only sells so well on consoles because of how mindless the gameplay is.
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#109 Ratchet_Fan8
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doh,i bought..well..got the game for free on Pc
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#110 cobrax55
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doh,i bought..well..got the game for free on PcRatchet_Fan8

yeah, except you cant play it online....making your post completly irrelevent.

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#111 sikanderahmed
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i think this dude is lying

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#112 cobrax55
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i think this dude is lying

sikanderahmed

He works for dice.....

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#113 sikanderahmed
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[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

i think this dude is lying

cobrax55

He works for dice.....

so?

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#114 cobrax55
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[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

i think this dude is lying

sikanderahmed

He works for dice.....

so?

Why would he be lying? There is absolutly no reason to think hes not telling the truth.

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#115 Mystic-G
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i think this dude is lying

sikanderahmed
I think this dude is in denial. See what I did there?
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#116 The-Mosher
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[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

i think this dude is lying

Mystic-G

I think this dude his in denial. See what I did there?

Just ignore is post. He likes to bash the PC a lot and he takes every fact as a lie (like he did in his post).

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#117 sikanderahmed
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[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

He works for dice.....

cobrax55

so?

Why would he be lying? There is absolutly no reason to think hes not telling the truth.

to make hermits happy

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#118 dgsag
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[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

so?

sikanderahmed

Why would he be lying? There is absolutly no reason to think hes not telling the truth.

to make hermits happy

Why would they care about making hermits happy, especially if you think that they're lying and the console versions sold better. Wouldn't they want to appeal to the audience that's buying more of their games?
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#119 N30F3N1X
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to make hermits happy

sikanderahmed

That's the most ludicrous excuse I have EVER heard.

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#120 cobrax55
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[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

so?

sikanderahmed

Why would he be lying? There is absolutly no reason to think hes not telling the truth.

to make hermits happy

really? thats the best you can make up?

I was expecting a conspiracy theory.

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#121 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

That's how it should be.

MW2 could have had that had IW/ACTIVISION not treated the PC audience like children.

This is good news.

A lot of great ideas comes from the Users. COD benefitted greatly from the modding community, as I'm sure BFBC2 will.

Brownesque

Actually, Bad Company 2 officially has no dedicated server files and no mod tools. The only thing it has are dedicated servers, provided by our dear darlings at EA. They evidently missed the point of community policing and clan support. I'm currently engaged in a community organized ladder contest on Red Orchestra....considering that the developer, Tripwire, is working on the next game and scarcely has enough time to recognize their old game exists, these community features (read, allowing us to do run our own games) are the only thing keeping this game alive.

Edit: I forgot to mention that the competitive community on Red Orchestra nearly exclusively uses an exploit fix called "Exterminator," because of the fact that the developers have scarcely attempted to fix the vast catalogue of player-found bugs.

Really, console gamers have NO IDEA what they are talking about when they say matchmaking is okay, and they have NO IDEA what they are talking about when they say that mods are not a good thing, and I mean that in the most disparaging way allowed on these forums.

Match making is ok, i already can't stand BC2 because of the way servers are setup, up, it feels like a step back with a server browser, and mods aren't always a good thing, in fact sometimes admins aren't always a good thing. At least on consoles everyone is subject to the same rules, and people can't force rules in their favor. I kind of wish i got this on 360

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#122 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

A well established PC franchise outsold the console versions!? You don't say! :O

News flash guys, call of duty, a much more established console franchise, outsold the PC version! :O

Man, i just love stating the obvious!

You are aware that Call of Duty had a PC fanbase before you ever heard the name of it right? It only sells so well on consoles because of how mindless the gameplay is.

if its mindless gameplay then all game play can be considered mindless, its just there isn't as much time to think, if you don't you'll never stay alive long enough to get your kill streaks.
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#123 cobrax55
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[QUOTE="Brownesque"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

That's how it should be.

MW2 could have had that had IW/ACTIVISION not treated the PC audience like children.

This is good news.

A lot of great ideas comes from the Users. COD benefitted greatly from the modding community, as I'm sure BFBC2 will.

savagetwinkie

Actually, Bad Company 2 officially has no dedicated server files and no mod tools. The only thing it has are dedicated servers, provided by our dear darlings at EA. They evidently missed the point of community policing and clan support. I'm currently engaged in a community organized ladder contest on Red Orchestra....considering that the developer, Tripwire, is working on the next game and scarcely has enough time to recognize their old game exists, these community features (read, allowing us to do run our own games) are the only thing keeping this game alive.

Edit: I forgot to mention that the competitive community on Red Orchestra nearly exclusively uses an exploit fix called "Exterminator," because of the fact that the developers have scarcely attempted to fix the vast catalogue of player-found bugs.

Really, console gamers have NO IDEA what they are talking about when they say matchmaking is okay, and they have NO IDEA what they are talking about when they say that mods are not a good thing, and I mean that in the most disparaging way allowed on these forums.

Match making is ok, i already can't stand BC2 because of the way servers are setup, up, it feels like a step back with a server browser, and mods aren't always a good thing, in fact sometimes admins aren't always a good thing. At least on consoles everyone is subject to the same rules, and people can't force rules in their favor. I kind of wish i got this on 360

this is honestly one of the stupidest things I have ever heard on this forum.

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#124 UnknownSniper65
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A well established PC franchise outsold the console versions!? You don't say! :O

News flash guys, call of duty, a much more established console franchise, outsold the PC version! :O

Man, i just love stating the obvious!

Sandvichman
PC gamers have been playing the Call of Duty series longer than console gamers have. In fact up until COD4 it was mainly a PC franchise.
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#125 jun_aka_pekto
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[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

A well established PC franchise outsold the console versions!? You don't say! :O

News flash guys, call of duty, a much more established console franchise, outsold the PC version! :O

Man, i just love stating the obvious!

UnknownSniper65

PC gamers have been playing the Call of Duty series longer than console gamers have. In fact up until COD4 it was mainly a PC franchise.

I thought there was COD 2 on the console. XBox maybe? Whatever it was with the Brits in WW2 North Africa. I saw it playing on a console at some military BX a while back.

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#126 WiiMan21
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That is because 3/4 of the people pirated the game on the PC.

I still haven't bought the game yet because my PS3 is currently not in my possesion. =/

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#127 cobrax55
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That is because 3/4 of the people pirated the game on the PC.

I still haven't bought the game yet because my PS3 is currently not in my possesion. =/

WiiMan21

FOR THE LAST TIME, YOU CANNOTPLAY PIRATED PC GAMES ONLINE.

I really am amazed at how thick people can be.

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#128 UnknownSniper65
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[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

A well established PC franchise outsold the console versions!? You don't say! :O

News flash guys, call of duty, a much more established console franchise, outsold the PC version! :O

Man, i just love stating the obvious!

jun_aka_pekto

PC gamers have been playing the Call of Duty series longer than console gamers have. In fact up until COD4 it was mainly a PC franchise.

I thought there was COD 2 on the console. XBox maybe? Whatever it was with the Brits in WW2 North Africa. I saw it playing on a console at some military BX a while back.

It was ,but most of the community was still on the PC. COD2 only had 8 player multiplayer on consoles so it was dwarfed by all the other shooters released around the same time..
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#129 N30F3N1X
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That is because 3/4 of the people pirated the game on the X360.

I still haven't bought the game yet because my PS3 is currently not in my possesion. =/

WiiMan21

Fixed.

You can't play multiplayer with the pirated PC version.

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#130 lowe0
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[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="Brownesque"] Actually, Bad Company 2 officially has no dedicated server files and no mod tools. The only thing it has are dedicated servers, provided by our dear darlings at EA. They evidently missed the point of community policing and clan support. I'm currently engaged in a community organized ladder contest on Red Orchestra....considering that the developer, Tripwire, is working on the next game and scarcely has enough time to recognize their old game exists, these community features (read, allowing us to do run our own games) are the only thing keeping this game alive.

Edit: I forgot to mention that the competitive community on Red Orchestra nearly exclusively uses an exploit fix called "Exterminator," because of the fact that the developers have scarcely attempted to fix the vast catalogue of player-found bugs.

Really, console gamers have NO IDEA what they are talking about when they say matchmaking is okay, and they have NO IDEA what they are talking about when they say that mods are not a good thing, and I mean that in the most disparaging way allowed on these forums.

cobrax55

Match making is ok, i already can't stand BC2 because of the way servers are setup, up, it feels like a step back with a server browser, and mods aren't always a good thing, in fact sometimes admins aren't always a good thing. At least on consoles everyone is subject to the same rules, and people can't force rules in their favor. I kind of wish i got this on 360

this is honestly one of the stupidest things I have ever heard on this forum.

Care to explain, instead of just dismissing someone's opinion as stupid?
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#131 cobrax55
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[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] Match making is ok, i already can't stand BC2 because of the way servers are setup, up, it feels like a step back with a server browser, and mods aren't always a good thing, in fact sometimes admins aren't always a good thing. At least on consoles everyone is subject to the same rules, and people can't force rules in their favor. I kind of wish i got this on 360

lowe0

this is honestly one of the stupidest things I have ever heard on this forum.

Care to explain, instead of just dismissing someone's opinion as stupid?

Because quite honestly, dedicaded servers are better then P2P matchmaking in every single way possible. Its not even an opinion, its just fact. Dedicaded servers support more players, their much faster to get into, and they have far less lag.

As for mods...well arguing agaist free content is just downright stupid. Especially given that the Battlefield series is well known for many of its high quality mods.

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#132 mythrol
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It seems DICE was able to woo the PC market. Not surprising since BF2 is so well liked there. Good job DICE. You deserve it. I've seen few developers able to recognize the flaws of their original game and improve them so much for the sequel.
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#133 Mystic-G
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CORRECTIONS

The DICE employee updated his post. He wanted to clarify that PC has more players online than either the 360 or PS3, not both combined.

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-bad-company-2-pc/933150-updates-servers-now-soon.html#post13086470

This is more like what I'd expect. Still very good though in my opinion considering 360 itself has hella buying power behind it. I guess if you make the right game PC has just as much buying power eh? 8)

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#134 lowe0
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CORRECTIONS

The DICE employee updated his post. He wanted to clarify that PC has more players online than either the 360 or PS3, not both combined.

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-bad-company-2-pc/933150-updates-servers-now-soon.html#post13086470

This is more like what I'd expect. Still very good though in my opinion considering 360 itself has hella buying power behind it. I guess if you make the right game PC has just as much buying power eh? 8)

Mystic-G

Not only that, but it was outside of peak US hours (which gives some weight to the "PC gaming is more dominant in EU than NA" argument): http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-bad-company-2-pc/933150-updates-servers-now-soon-7.html#post13100931

During peak US hours the Xbox 360 dominates the player numbers. When that post was made it was the Europeans playing and pushed the PC numbers higher. Bazajaytee

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#135 lowe0
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Because quite honestly, dedicaded servers are better then P2P matchmaking in every single way possible. Its not even an opinion, its just fact. Dedicaded servers support more players, their much faster to get into, and they have far less lag.

As for mods...well arguing agaist free content is just downright stupid. Especially given that the Battlefield series is well known for many of its high quality mods.

cobrax55

I can't say I really care one way or the other about mods... I'm partial to playing the game the way the developers intended (not a disadvantage for mods, just a preference), and I'm also more interested in playing a finished, professionally-tested product.

Server browsers do have one real disadvantage versus matchmaking, though - matchmaking abstracts the server component, and focuses on what's actually important (the set of people you're playing with). Instead of looking through the server list to find one with players of skill equal to your own, the matchmaking server (which has all of your play statistics anyway) can do the work for you. The same goes for playing with friends - instead of all agreeing on a server, it'll just start a game and put you all together in it, with zero effort on your part.

That said, it'd be easy to design a system that combines the advantages of matchmaking with those of dedicated servers (without a server browser). Just let players register a dedicated server GUID (assigned by the master server, independent of IP address and such) to their gamertag/PSN account. Then, during host negotiation, just poll the player list for server GUIDs, and if one or more is found, use the best one based on availability and overall ping. This is probably very similar to how Section 8's X-Servers work.

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#136 mccoyca112
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Well their actual fan base is on the PC, but good news all around.

NVIDIATI

Agreed in full.

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#137 Mystic-G
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[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

CORRECTIONS

The DICE employee updated his post. He wanted to clarify that PC has more players online than either the 360 or PS3, not both combined.

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-bad-company-2-pc/933150-updates-servers-now-soon.html#post13086470

This is more like what I'd expect. Still very good though in my opinion considering 360 itself has hella buying power behind it. I guess if you make the right game PC has just as much buying power eh? 8)

lowe0

Not only that, but it was outside of peak US hours (which gives some weight to the "PC gaming is more dominant in EU than NA" argument): http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-bad-company-2-pc/933150-updates-servers-now-soon-7.html#post13100931

During peak US hours the Xbox 360 dominates the player numbers. When that post was made it was the Europeans playing and pushed the PC numbers higher. Bazajaytee

Even more interesting lol... I think he should've elaborated all this from the beginning, but don't think he realized how big his post would become in the PC gaming world. I could honestly care less about the U.S. PC Gamers vs European PC Gamers argument. PC gaming is pc gaming as far as I'm concerned.... except for the koreans, they have like a whole nother platform of games lol.

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#138 rcignoni
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Pirates can't play online people, this is legit.
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#139 lowe0
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Even more interesting lol... I think he should've elaborated all this from the beginning, but don't think he realized how big his post would become in the PC gaming world. I could honestly care less about the U.S. PC Gamers vs European PC Gamers argument. PC gaming is pc gaming as far as I'm concerned.... except for the koreans, they have like a whole nother platform of games lol.

Mystic-G

I think the argument is more "EU PC gamers:EU console gamers > US PC gamers:US console gamers". Which makes sense, because any thread I've ever read about EU console gaming prices has inevitably lead to me saying "holy ****, they charge you that with a straight face?".

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#140 AzatiS
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Bazajaytee, a DICE Dev on the forums says Battlefield Bad Company 2 on PC has more players than both consoles combined!!!

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-bad-company-2-pc/933150-updates-servers-now-soon.html#post13086470

Instashot

Its because PC dying isnt?

Or because keyboard - mouse combo sucks?!!

Or the better overall quality?

hmm .. maybe all three?

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#141 muller39
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Interesting to hear.

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#142 GOW3VSHALO3
Member since 2010 • 25 Posts

That's how it should be.

MW2 could have had that had IW/ACTIVISION not treated the PC audience like children.

This is good news.

A lot of great ideas comes from the Users. COD benefitted greatly from the modding community, as I'm sure BFBC2 will.

EDIT : Adding Link for future posters to enjoy.

DICE loves Mod Community.

SolidTy
That is HIGHLY unlikely. The MW2 fanbase on the Xbox 360 is immensely collossal.
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#143 Instashot
Member since 2010 • 665 Posts

i think this dude is lying sikanderahmed

Heres more proof...http://kotaku.com/5487038/battlefield-bad-company-2-players-prefer-pc-to-console

:roll:

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#144 Instashot
Member since 2010 • 665 Posts
[QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

That is because 3/4 of the people pirated the game on the PC.

I still haven't bought the game yet because my PS3 is currently not in my possesion. =/

You can't play online without a pirated copy. Try again.
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#145 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="Instashot"][QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

That is because 3/4 of the people pirated the game on the PC.

I still haven't bought the game yet because my PS3 is currently not in my possesion. =/

You can't play online without a pirated copy. Try again.

without?
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#146 lowe0
Member since 2004 • 13692 Posts

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]i think this dude is lying Instashot

Heres more proof...http://kotaku.com/5487038/battlefield-bad-company-2-players-prefer-pc-to-console

:roll:

Except that it's already been clarified BY THE ORIGINAL SOURCE as having been misinterpreted. The PC had more players than either console, not both combined, and it was at one specific point in time, not overall. It certainly shows that a lot of PC gamers bought the game, but you may want not want to break out the "we're #1" foam fingers just yet.

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#147 Enosh88
Member since 2008 • 1728 Posts

Not always true but yes thanks to your key linked to EA is hard to use a pirated copy to play online and although probably there are some pirates there number must be minimal as opposed to legal owners who play online

Also although this is not much to on about but in Amazon.De the best selling game is the pc version of BC2adamosmaki

well, third is the PC version of MW2 :P

MW2 could have had that had IW/ACTIVISION not treated the PC audience like children.SolidTy

IW could have thrown DS and all that on the pc version of MW2 and the console version would have still outsold it by far

fact is most of the CoD audience is on the consoles and most of the BF audience are on the PC

would be nice to see actual MW2 PC sales vs BC2 PC sales through

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#148 savagetwinkie
Member since 2008 • 7981 Posts
[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="Brownesque"] Actually, Bad Company 2 officially has no dedicated server files and no mod tools. The only thing it has are dedicated servers, provided by our dear darlings at EA. They evidently missed the point of community policing and clan support. I'm currently engaged in a community organized ladder contest on Red Orchestra....considering that the developer, Tripwire, is working on the next game and scarcely has enough time to recognize their old game exists, these community features (read, allowing us to do run our own games) are the only thing keeping this game alive.

Edit: I forgot to mention that the competitive community on Red Orchestra nearly exclusively uses an exploit fix called "Exterminator," because of the fact that the developers have scarcely attempted to fix the vast catalogue of player-found bugs.

Really, console gamers have NO IDEA what they are talking about when they say matchmaking is okay, and they have NO IDEA what they are talking about when they say that mods are not a good thing, and I mean that in the most disparaging way allowed on these forums.

Match making is ok, i already can't stand BC2 because of the way servers are setup, up, it feels like a step back with a server browser, and mods aren't always a good thing, in fact sometimes admins aren't always a good thing. At least on consoles everyone is subject to the same rules, and people can't force rules in their favor. I kind of wish i got this on 360

this is honestly one of the stupidest things I have ever heard on this forum.

this is the truth though, there are reasons why some people would prefer to play with matchmaking vs jumping on random servers hosted by other people. Sometimes mods make things more stable, glitchy, or unbalanced. Then you have admins sometimes imposing rules that make things unbalanced. Matchmaking you just hit play, with the gametype you want and it drops you into a game, simple, easy, and no searching.
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#149 savagetwinkie
Member since 2008 • 7981 Posts
[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="cobrax55"]

this is honestly one of the stupidest things I have ever heard on this forum.

Care to explain, instead of just dismissing someone's opinion as stupid?

Because quite honestly, dedicaded servers are better then P2P matchmaking in every single way possible. Its not even an opinion, its just fact. Dedicaded servers support more players, their much faster to get into, and they have far less lag.

As for mods...well arguing agaist free content is just downright stupid. Especially given that the Battlefield series is well known for many of its high quality mods.

I'm not argueing against free content, i'm just saying some of that free content isn't polished and sometimes is game breaking. And p2p has some perks over a dedicated server, they will ALWAYS be available so long as peopile are playing, and you don't have to worry about server rules, like once on bf2142 i joined a match that happend to be a "pistol only" only to see the admin running about in a mech shooting people and kicking people when they used anything but a pistol or complained. Fun right?
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#150 thelastguy
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Yeah but how many of those people actually bought the game