DICE: Bad Company 2 PC has more people playing than both the consoles.

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

Well you also paid for that map pack...you forgot to mention that. And personally, there were deffinetly a lot of source mods that I enjoyed more so then many DLC packs. Insurgency and Pirates vs. knights I both played for a while. And soon I will be trying out dear ester, which is supposed to be very good.

This proves my preferance arguement.Instashot

How is it a preference when there are mods of every type for free which on consoles they call dlc and charge $ for.

They even have Halo maps in games like TF2, CS, etc and how much did it cost? 0.

Its not preference you're just a blind consolefanboy who downplays mods since they aren't on consoles.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]All that youve proven to us is that you have a negative pre-disposition to mods without having any experience with them.cobrax25

If you have fond memories of them, why are you calling them worthless now?

I dont know if you have noticed...but what your entire argument has boiled down to "I dont like mods because the people making them are not the developers" but when you say that, you are making the assumption that people outside of the development team cant produce high quality content, which is not only baseless, but easily proven to be untrue simply by the countless times modders have been picked up by development studios.

[QUOTE="Instashot"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

Well you also paid for that map pack...you forgot to mention that. And personally, there were deffinetly a lot of source mods that I enjoyed more so then many DLC packs. Insurgency and Pirates vs. knights I both played for a while. And soon I will be trying out dear ester, which is supposed to be very good.

This proves my preferance arguement.savagetwinkie

How is it a preference when there are mods of every type for free which on consoles they call dlc and charge $ for.

They even have Halo maps in games like TF2, CS, etc and how much did it cost? 0.

Its not preference you're just a blind consolefanboy who downplays mods since they aren't on consoles.

its not like throwing a dart at random and choosing whatever it hits. You choose mods to play based on recomendations and what is popular. Those, obviously tend to be the best mods, and if many people like them, well then theres a good chance you will to.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Now I'm really amused. I've already happily pointed out the mods that I found memorable over the years. And yet here you are, telling me I have no experience whatsoever. Are you actually arguing with me, or have you just conjured up some character that you imagine you're arguing with?lowe0

If you have fond memories of them, why are you calling them worthless now?

I dont know if you have noticed...but what your entire argument has boiled down to "I dont like mods because the people making them are not the developers" but when you say that, you are making the assumption that people outside of the development team cant produce high quality content, which is not only baseless, but easily proven to be untrue simply by the countless times modders have been picked up by development studios.

You know there are plenty of mods that leave Beta and are deemed "complete." And if you really dont have the patience to go online and see what mods are popular, well then honestly I feel bad for you since your missing out on a lot of really good stuff. But then again, its your problem, and not mine.

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="Instashot"]

How is it a preference when there are mods of every type for free which on consoles they call dlc and charge $ for.

They even have Halo maps in games like TF2, CS, etc and how much did it cost? 0.

Its not preference you're just a blind consolefanboy who downplays mods since they aren't on consoles.

cobrax25

Forget Halo, or any specif game....are you really telling me though that you would rather pay $10 for 3 maps rather then get a hell of a lot more of them all for free.

Good for DICE, I will never have trouble finding matches on the PS3 just like the first Bad Company. Im not sure if youre trying to rip on consoles or cheer on DICE though.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

If you have fond memories of them, why are you calling them worthless now?

I dont know if you have noticed...but what your entire argument has boiled down to "I dont like mods because the people making them are not the developers" but when you say that, you are making the assumption that people outside of the development team cant produce high quality content, which is not only baseless, but easily proven to be untrue simply by the countless times modders have been picked up by development studios.

cobrax25

You know there are plenty of mods that leave Beta and are deemed "complete." And if you really dont have the patience to go online and see what mods are popular, well then honestly I feel bad for you since your missing out on a lot of really good stuff. But then again, its your problem, and not mine.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Instashot"]

How is it a preference when there are mods of every type for free which on consoles they call dlc and charge $ for.

They even have Halo maps in games like TF2, CS, etc and how much did it cost? 0.

Its not preference you're just a blind consolefanboy who downplays mods since they aren't on consoles.

cobrax25

its not like throwing a dart at random and choosing whatever it hits. You choose mods to play based on recomendations and what is popular. Those, obviously tend to be the best mods, and if many people like them, well then theres a good chance you will to.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"] How is it not a preferance, i have simply prefer DLC, are you really going to say that i can't? The maps are there, but the gameplay, lack of forge and so on don't give it the same experience. What makes you think i'm a console fanboy?savagetwinkie

Forget Halo, or any specif game....are you really telling me though that you would rather pay $10 for 3 maps rather then get a hell of a lot more of them all for free.

Stalker 2009, L.U.R.K. for stalker, mechwarrior, dota (i think its a mod), SMRTER for stalker CoP, and Goldeneye Source Beta 4 (you would think its a full game because its so well done), and tons more. you just gotta search harder for good mods. also for games like tf2, CSS, dod, battlefield2, killing floor and fallout3, there are tons of mods that add way more content and maps(some better than dev maps) to each of those games, and there are lots of mods that fix bugs to because the developer doesnt fix them

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

Forget Halo, or any specif game....are you really telling me though that you would rather pay $10 for 3 maps rather then get a hell of a lot more of them all for free.

ironman388

Stalker 2009, L.U.R.K. for stalker, mechwarrior, dota (i think its a mod), SMRTER for stalker CoP, and Goldeneye Source Beta 4 (you would think its a full game because its so well done), and tons more. you just gotta search harder for good mods. also for games like tf2, CSS, dod, battlefield2, killing floor and fallout3, there are tons of mods that add way more content and maps to each of those games, and there are lots of mods that fix bugs to because the developer doesnt fix them

[QUOTE="ironman388"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]I'm going to agree with sandmand, i prefer DLC over mods just because 99% you can tell a mod is a mod. They aren't as polished and for people that don't just play the game but like that quality with it, mods tend to not have that, graphically they look a bit funny some things are out of proportion, unfinished, overall unpolished, for people that like to immerse themselves in teh game, mods tend to... suck since theres that that much more detachment over teh original game.savagetwinkie

Stalker 2009, L.U.R.K. for stalker, mechwarrior, dota (i think its a mod), SMRTER for stalker CoP, and Goldeneye Source Beta 4 (you would think its a full game because its so well done), and tons more. you just gotta search harder for good mods. also for games like tf2, CSS, dod, battlefield2, killing floor and fallout3, there are tons of mods that add way more content and maps to each of those games, and there are lots of mods that fix bugs to because the developer doesnt fix them

[QUOTE="ironman388"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]I'm going to agree with sandmand, i prefer DLC over mods just because 99% you can tell a mod is a mod. They aren't as polished and for people that don't just play the game but like that quality with it, mods tend to not have that, graphically they look a bit funny some things are out of proportion, unfinished, overall unpolished, for people that like to immerse themselves in teh game, mods tend to... suck since theres that that much more detachment over teh original game.savagetwinkie

Stalker 2009, L.U.R.K. for stalker, mechwarrior, dota (i think its a mod), SMRTER for stalker CoP, and Goldeneye Source Beta 4 (you would think its a full game because its so well done), and tons more. you just gotta search harder for good mods. also for games like tf2, CSS, dod, battlefield2, killing floor and fallout3, there are tons of mods that add way more content and maps to each of those games, and there are lots of mods that fix bugs to because the developer doesnt fix them

This isnt just a "realism" mod for BF2, this is an entire reworking of the game....all of the maps are new, all of the weapons are new, all of the vehicals are new....The gameplay mechnics arent even the same.

And it has far, far more content then Bad Company.

You seem to think that mods are always going to be worse...but thats simply not true at all, I can tell you right off the bat that Mechwarrior is far better then the crap that is modern day Armored core.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Please quote the post when I called those mods "worthless". Or is this just another example of your constant attempts to rewrite my arguments? And if you bothered to read my posts in your mad rush to hammer the "quick quote" button so that you can just reply to whatever the hell your imaginary version of me said, you'd already have the answer to your question. I'm not interested in mods (not "don't like mods" - I thought you said you weren't rewriting my arguments?) because I don't feel like spending time on something that's still in beta, or that may or may not have been properly tested, when I can get a finished, professionally tested product from developers whose work I already enjoy. It's quite possible that amateurs can turn out an equally high-quality product. I'm just no longer interested in spending the time to find out. When I was 20, sure.lowe0

You know there are plenty of mods that leave Beta and are deemed "complete." And if you really dont have the patience to go online and see what mods are popular, well then honestly I feel bad for you since your missing out on a lot of really good stuff. But then again, its your problem, and not mine.

nobody ever called you a liar....everyone just called you missinformed, which is completly true. If your method for choosing mods was the same as your method for choosing games and DLC then you would be wasting a collasle amount of money. But that doesnt seem to factor in at all here. Why is it that you are able to find good games but not find good mods.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="ironman388"]you just cant find the right mods. examples of good mods

Stalker 2009, L.U.R.K. for stalker, mechwarrior, dota (i think its a mod), SMRTER for stalker CoP, and Goldeneye Source Beta 4 (you would think its a full game because its so well done), and tons more. you just gotta search harder for good mods. also for games like tf2, CSS, dod, battlefield2, killing floor and fallout3, there are tons of mods that add way more content and maps to each of those games, and there are lots of mods that fix bugs to because the developer doesnt fix them

ironman388

[QUOTE="ironman388"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] But i'd rather just buy a new game or a map pack then spend time on those, they aren't as good as the material and content that come from dev's and are only really good if i'm broke. I mean I could get this realism mod for bf2, but bad company 2 seems like the better choice even with the $60 tag. I could get mechwarrior, or i could just buy armored core which still seems like the better choice. I'm not saying these things are inherently bad, but for those of us that don't have the time, we'd rather have quality over free for the time spent on it. There are plenty of games coming out, theres no need to waste time on unfinished or unpolished stuff, thats what i did in highschool when i had plenty of time and no money.savagetwinkie

Thats probably the most shallow take on gaming I have ever seen...you would rather pay money so your games can be "shiny"

why do you seem to think that mods are always lesser to full developt games....Project Reality for BF2 has more content then any of the Battlefield games have ever had. And at this point its also more polished then any of the battlefield games have ever been.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="ironman388"]how do you spend time on it? you just download it and put it in the bin or whatever folder it asks you too, some even have .exes that do it all for you. how lazy can you be? also most of the mods are higher quality than the DL that a dev puts out (except valve maybe). most devs just put in an extra map just to make a quick buck and the maps arent even that good. also the realism mod could be considered an expansion because its so high quality. it seems like you hate the idea of mods and love throwing money away on dlc (which is a mod from a dev)

cobrax25

Thats probably the most shallow take on gaming I have ever seen...you would rather pay money so your games can be "shiny"

why do you seem to think that mods are always lesser to full developt games....Project Reality for BF2 has more content then any of the Battlefield games have ever had. And at this point its also more polished then any of the battlefield games have ever been.

Surprised that these many people have gaming PC's. :PChiddaling

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] I don't think you grasp that i'd rather pay for a new game,addons,maps then play these, the time spent on something new and shiny, finished, and high quality will be more satisfying then playing these, they are good but there are better choices i'd rather pay for then just have some new mods to mess around with. This is why console gamers don't care about mods, they aren't normally as good as getting some from the dev. If you play bf2 religiously and must add more content to it this is where its good. the only thing i don't mind is when a server has mods already in place, so when i jump on it they auto download and there are people playing it also. I remember installing a mod once for UT and the servers were dead, great either i can play this great mod with tons of bots, or i can go have fun with real people... hmmm. Sometimes its just not easy to find a good server for some mods, which is another potential problem you get.savagetwinkie

Thats probably the most shallow take on gaming I have ever seen...you would rather pay money so your games can be "shiny"

why do you seem to think that mods are always lesser to full developt games....Project Reality for BF2 has more content then any of the Battlefield games have ever had. And at this point its also more polished then any of the battlefield games have ever been.

A video isnt going to show you anything about project reality....IGN even reviewed a really old version of the mod...http://pc.ign.com/articles/763/763618p1.html this is an old review too so its of a very old version. Nothing about this mod resembles the original BF2 at all. The Spawning system is completly redesigned, Conquest is totally new, you can build your own bases...etc.

Bad Company 2 may be shinnier and with destructable enviroments...but Project Reality supports many more players, has much larger and more detailed maps, and is actually designed in such a way that everybody plays together. And for that, even though I like Bad Company 2, I have still been playing Project Reality much more.

There was some gaming mag that actually reviewed project reality as a full game, and was stunned at how good it was, they gave it something like a 94.

Thats probably the most shallow take on gaming I have ever seen...you would rather pay money so your games can be "shiny"

why do you seem to think that mods are always lesser to full developt games....Project Reality for BF2 has more content then any of the Battlefield games have ever had. And at this point its also more polished then any of the battlefield games have ever been.

cobrax25

Apparently the BF2 booster packs > Project Reality, Forgotten Hope etc.

I mean really, the arguements these people present make no sense at all. I don't bother with mods much any longer these days either, but it's certainly not because of any of these weird reasons.

"They're of varying quality and I don't have time to find the ones that are good."
You can apply this argument to anything that exists in the world, including DLC. The only difference is mods only cost you time, not time and money.

And now he's trying to compare a BF2 mod to Bad Company 2. That is quite not the same thing as a BF2 map pack, which is what was being discussed, mods vs DLC. Like...what the ****?

[QUOTE="Mr_BillGates"]

Many dumb replies mainly from console owners. That's the main difference there... maturity (PC) vs kiddies (consoles).

lowe0

I just realized... this must mean console gaming is dying.

I just realized... this must mean console gaming is dying.

Mystic-G

[QUOTE="ironman388"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] But i'd rather just buy a new game or a map pack then spend time on those, they aren't as good as the material and content that come from dev's and are only really good if i'm broke. I mean I could get this realism mod for bf2, but bad company 2 seems like the better choice even with the $60 tag. I could get mechwarrior, or i could just buy armored core which still seems like the better choice. I'm not saying these things are inherently bad, but for those of us that don't have the time, we'd rather have quality over free for the time spent on it. There are plenty of games coming out, theres no need to waste time on unfinished or unpolished stuff, thats what i did in highschool when i had plenty of time and no money.savagetwinkie

I'm surprised.

I can't play BC2 for 5 minutes without a fetal error occurring.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Now I'm really amused. I've already happily pointed out the mods that I found memorable over the years. And yet here you are, telling me I have no experience whatsoever. Are you actually arguing with me, or have you just conjured up some character that you imagine you're arguing with?lowe0

If you have fond memories of them, why are you calling them worthless now?

I dont know if you have noticed...but what your entire argument has boiled down to "I dont like mods because the people making them are not the developers" but when you say that, you are making the assumption that people outside of the development team cant produce high quality content, which is not only baseless, but easily proven to be untrue simply by the countless times modders have been picked up by development studios.

[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] Match making is ok, i already can't stand BC2 because of the way servers are setup, up, it feels like a step back with a server browser, and mods aren't always a good thing, in fact sometimes admins aren't always a good thing. At least on consoles everyone is subject to the same rules, and people can't force rules in their favor. I kind of wish i got this on 360

savagetwinkie

this is honestly one of the stupidest things I have ever heard on this forum.

To savagetwinkie

I'm going to explain why people might prefer dedicated servers to matchmaking. (Although i prefer Dedi's over matchmaking any day, this is my opinion and you are entitled to your opinion as well).

1) Dedi's are faster. Sorry the statement you made above is incorrect about you hitting play and boom you're in. Thats what dedicated servers do, you click the server and you're in within a few seconds. Matchmaking requires the console to match you up with a fixed number of players and leave you in a lobby with a timer. (search video: "Call Of Duty 4 vs Call Of Duty MW2 - Iw.net VS Dedicated Server Browers list" on youtube)

) Now yes MW2 on PC is probably a bad comparison, but the console version is maybe 20-30 seconds faster, even then its way way slower than Dedis.

2) Fixed players. Matchmaking is always set to a certain number of players, whether its 12 18 24 or w/e its fixed. Dedis range from 8 to 64 and anywhere in between.

3) Random players. Dedicated servers are like a community if that makes any sense. On css for example, alot of the same people (say 50 of the same guys) always play on server XYZ. This makes it more of a community and you end up playing with players you know and enjoy playing with.

4) Admins. I'm going to use MW2 for this example. I know that many players get agitated by the power/abuse of certain perks or attachments. In matchmaking theres nothing you can do about it. Someone is using commando, well too bad, you're forced to leave. Now if MW2 had dedi's certain servers would prohibit the use of commando, allowing players who despise commando to play together without being angered by it. If a player entered with commando, he'd be promptly kicked by an admin. ( In cod4 for example there are many servers that prohibit tubes and martyrdom). So you're statement that admin make the game unbalanced is false, if anything they try and readjust it to make it more enjoyable and balanced.

5) Maps. This is one thing ive never understood. On matchmaking, you are assigned to a certain map. On dedi's however you find and pick a server with a map of your prefence. Say you prefer the map Afghan on MW2, well if mw2 had Dedi's you'd find a nice afghan 24/7 server and have fun playing on it without worrying about playing on Wasteland (just an example).

6) Latency/lag. This is the biggest and arguably most important point. Matchmaking assigns a random host. Now the fluidity of gameplay is based on the internet connection of the host. If they do have a strong connection, gameplay will be smooth, however this isn't always true. In matchmaking, i find myself being placed in games with hosts with weak internet. (search video: "Dedicated Servers are for chumps" on youtube). In a dedi, the ping and latency is almost always dependent on you. If you have a good internet connection your gameplay will always be smooth.

Those are the 6 main issues i came up with. Now, obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I'm not trying to put you down in any way, I'm merely explaining some of the benefits of Dedi's.

For reference, i own both a 360 elite and gaming Pc. I have a 25 down/5 up internet connection.

My rig stats below:

- i7 920 @ 3.6ghz

- gtx 275 SLI

- 6 gb ddr3 1600

- XP 64bit

I apologize if someone already answered you, i may have missed it in the thread.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

If you have fond memories of them, why are you calling them worthless now?

I dont know if you have noticed...but what your entire argument has boiled down to "I dont like mods because the people making them are not the developers" but when you say that, you are making the assumption that people outside of the development team cant produce high quality content, which is not only baseless, but easily proven to be untrue simply by the countless times modders have been picked up by development studios.

Brownesque

And who says I'm looking for an excuse? I explained what I actually do, and my reasons for doing it. As I already pointed out, I'm not going to alter the way I game just to try to win some argument on a forum, nor am I going to fabricate some sort of odd gaming habit in order to present an argument.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]as already mentioned before..pirates can't play online. I'm suprised to hear it's doing well on the PC since alot of PC fanboys use to say bad company was just a downgraded version of the BF series.SaltyMeatballs

This is what I was wondering, too. I thought most of the PC players that frequent these forums were not going to get it BF BC2 because it was a "consolized" port, instead waiting for BF3, the "real" Battlefield game.

I'm surprised.

I can't play BC2 for 5 minutes without a fetal error occurring.

Superbored

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]as already mentioned before..pirates can't play online. I'm suprised to hear it's doing well on the PC since alot of PC fanboys use to say bad company was just a downgraded version of the BF series.WardCleaver02

This is what I was wondering, too. I thought most of the PC players that frequent these forums were not going to get it BF BC2 because it was a "consolized" port, instead waiting for BF3, the "real" Battlefield game.

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]as already mentioned before..pirates can't play online. I'm suprised to hear it's doing well on the PC since alot of PC fanboys use to say bad company was just a downgraded version of the BF series.WardCleaver02

This is what I was wondering, too. I thought most of the PC players that frequent these forums were not going to get it BF BC2 because it was a "consolized" port, instead waiting for BF3, the "real" Battlefield game.