DICE: Bad Company 2 PC has more people playing than both the consoles.

Many dumb replies mainly from console owners. That's the main difference there... maturity (PC) vs kiddies (consoles).

Mr_BillGates

Many dumb replies mainly from console owners. That's the main difference there... maturity (PC) vs kiddies (consoles).

Mr_BillGates

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

Frankly...I think your full of it.

lowe0

Your argument is equivelent to the people who say they dont like PC games because their on the PC...its one thing to not like a specific mod or game. Its a whole different thing to not like all mods because you clearly have no experience with them.

Are you really going to say what people can enjoy and what not? I despise Milk chocolate and licorice, are you going to say i can't do that?Sandvichman

Well everyone should enjoys mods...theres pretty much about every kind one could imagine of there being.

I didn't say I hated mods. I said that I really don't care about mods. But hey, if making **** up makes it easier for you to argue against, knock yourself out.lowe0

You don't care for mods because they are a PC advantage.

Any PC advantage there is you try to downplay as you are a console fanboy.

Not liking mods is about equivilent to not liking free content for any games. If you seriously tell me you download DLC (which BTW is paid) your a complete hypocrite.

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"] Are you really going to say what people can enjoy and what not? I despise Milk chocolate and licorice, are you going to say i can't do that?Instashot

Well everyone should enjoys mods...theres pretty much about every kind one could imagine of there being.

[QUOTE="lowe0"] I didn't say I hated mods. I said that I really don't care about mods. But hey, if making **** up makes it easier for you to argue against, knock yourself out.Instashot

You don't care for mods because they are a PC advantage.

Any PC advantage there is you try to downplay as you are a console fanboy.

Your argument is equivelent to the people who say they dont like PC games because their on the PC...its one thing to not like a specific mod or game. Its a whole different thing to not like all mods because you clearly have no experience with them.

cobrax25

Not liking mods is about equivilent to not liking free content for any games. If you seriously tell me you download DLC (which BTW is paid) your a complete hypocrite.

cobrax25

I prefer DLC to mods because I already know I like the developer's work, and because it's been professionally tested by both the developer (or publisher) and the platform vendor. For most games, though, I skip the DLC as I've already moved on to something else. Where's the hypocrisy in my preference?

You don't care for mods because they are a PC advantage.

Any PC advantage there is you try to downplay as you are a console fanboy.

Instashot

I think many people simply rather play FPS with mouse/keyboard than controller.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] And finally, we come to the last page of the PC Gamer's Handbook: when all else fails, accuse them of lying. I think we're done here.lowe0

Your argument is equivelent to the people who say they dont like PC games because their on the PC...its one thing to not like a specific mod or game. Its a whole different thing to not like all mods because you clearly have no experience with them.

Are you telling me you wouldnt like free DLC if it was offered to you either? or an entirely free game? Because if you would...you would be a complete hypocrite.

[QUOTE="Mr_BillGates"]

Many dumb replies mainly from console owners. That's the main difference there... maturity (PC) vs kiddies (consoles).

lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

Your argument is equivelent to the people who say they dont like PC games because their on the PC...its one thing to not like a specific mod or game. Its a whole different thing to not like all mods because you clearly have no experience with them.

cobrax25

Are you telling me you wouldnt like free DLC if it was offered to you either? or an entirely free game? Because if you would...you would be a complete hypocrite.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Again, you misstate my argument. I neither like nor dislike mods. I simply don't care about them. The idea of user-generated content is certainly a good one, and I don't begrudge anyone who enjoys them, but I simply no longer have the inclination to mess around with them. I simply play the game as the developers designed it, and move on to the next game. But as I already told your counterpart: if it's easier to make **** up and argue against that instead of what I actually said, by all means, knock yourself out.lowe0

Are you telling me you wouldnt like free DLC if it was offered to you either? or an entirely free game? Because if you would...you would be a complete hypocrite.

But a lot of these mods are better, and are free...then what you would get with DLC. And these maps are all tested, by the servers admins who put them on rotation. Frankly, from what you are saying, I am led to believe that you have little to no experience with actuall mods.

Many dumb replies mainly from console owners. That's the main difference there... maturity (PC) vs kiddies (consoles).

Mr_BillGates

What an ignorant statement to make. I've met just as many immature PC gamers as I have console gamers, neither are more mature than the other. I've met plenty of PC gamers who cheat, mic/text spam, yell racist, ignorant, sexist, and homophoic phrases/slurs, whine with beat ect. just as many times as I have met a console gamer who do that aswell.

[QUOTE="Mr_BillGates"]

Many dumb replies mainly from console owners. That's the main difference there... maturity (PC) vs kiddies (consoles).

lowe0

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

A well established PC franchise outsold the console versions!? You don't say! :O

News flash guys, call of duty, a much more established console franchise, outsold the PC version! :O

Man, i just love stating the obvious!

Mystic-G

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="lowe0"] Again: I prefer DLC to mods because I already know I like the developer's work, and because it's been professionally tested by both the developer (or publisher) and the platform vendor. For most games, though, I skip the DLC as I've already moved on to something else. Where's the hypocrisy in my preference?Sandvichman

this has nothing to do with prefrence, were not talking about a single game or even a genre of games. Its like saying I dont like free content for the games I love. It doesnt make any sense.

But a lot of these mods are better, and are free...then what you would get with DLC. And these maps are all tested, by the servers admins who put them on rotation. Frankly, from what you are saying, I am led to believe that you have little to no experience with actuall mods.

cobrax25

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Mr_BillGates"]

Many dumb replies mainly from console owners. That's the main difference there... maturity (PC) vs kiddies (consoles).

SCREAMIN_MANTIS

As for me. It's funny how some pc gamers on here try to tell you what you should like and not like. They just don't seem to understand that some people just prefer to game on consoles.

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] You're giving prior preference to something which may or may not live up to your expectations. The mere fact that it is tested by a developer does not mean that it will necessarily have higher quality. If anything, DLC is of generally lower quality than MODs, considering their limited nature. DLC on console can never be what mods are on PCs primarily due to the limitations of the hardware and the evolving nature of mods; graphics and memory requirements considered. Whether or not you like a developer is insufficient to justify preferring one over the other, at least logically. You could still flout logic, but logic is logic. cobrax25

this has nothing to do with prefrence, were not talking about a single game or even a genre of games. Its like saying I dont like free content for the games I love. It doesnt make any sense.

Not surprised really.. its the best online shooter since Team Fortress2 imo

Thats cause your aproaching this type of thing completly the wrong way. You dont search Moddb and randomly click on mods. For starters....their all ranked, its their for a reason. But more often then not, the mods with the most people playing are going to be the best ones.

And honestly, with the amount of broken and functionally useless DLC released in the last years I really dont see what your trying to prove with this "mods are untested argument." Given that mods and especially individual maps dont have any sort of budget, they tend to undergo a lot of testing, both by the designers, and the servers that ultimatly run them. And its all based on popular demand anyway, maps that are unliked are removed from server rotation.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"] It all comes down to preferance, really.Sandvichman

this has nothing to do with prefrence, were not talking about a single game or even a genre of games. Its like saying I dont like free content for the games I love. It doesnt make any sense.

Well you also paid for that map pack...you forgot to mention that. And personally, there were deffinetly a lot of source mods that I enjoyed more so then many DLC packs. Insurgency and Pirates vs. knights I both played for a while. And soon I will be trying out dear ester, which is supposed to be very good.

Thats cause your aproaching this type of thing completly the wrong way. You dont search Moddb and randomly click on mods. For starters....their all ranked, its their for a reason. But more often then not, the mods with the most people playing are going to be the best ones.

And honestly, with the amount of broken and functionally useless DLC released in the last years I really dont see what your trying to prove with this "mods are untested argument." Given that mods and especially individual maps dont have any sort of budget, they tend to undergo a lot of testing, both by the designers, and the servers that ultimatly run them. And its all based on popular demand anyway, maps that are unliked are removed from server rotation.

cobrax25

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] You're giving prior preference to something which may or may not live up to your expectations. The mere fact that it is tested by a developer does not mean that it will necessarily have higher quality. If anything, DLC is of generally lower quality than MODs, considering their limited nature. DLC on console can never be what mods are on PCs primarily due to the limitations of the hardware and the evolving nature of mods; graphics and memory requirements considered. Whether or not you like a developer is insufficient to justify preferring one over the other, at least logically. You could still flout logic, but logic is logic. cobrax25

this has nothing to do with prefrence, were not talking about a single game or even a genre of games. Its like saying I dont like free content for the games I love. It doesnt make any sense.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"] It all comes down to preferance, really.savagetwinkie

this has nothing to do with prefrence, were not talking about a single game or even a genre of games. Its like saying I dont like free content for the games I love. It doesnt make any sense.

yes, the average mod is pretty bad...but there are so many of them there are plenty of good. Mods like Project Reality have become larger then many full games in terms of content and have been reviewed very well by many gaming mags.

Others like Portal: first slice are as well designed as the original portal.

And Many user created maps, are later made official by the developer.

If you choose mods at random...then your doing it wrong.

I would rather go through the "trouble" of finding and downloading a mod like Desert Combat, which adds a ton of maps, vehicles and weapons and offers many significant additions and improvements over the original game, than pay $10 for three maps. I won't even bother trying to understand why anyone wouldn't.InsaneBasura

I should enjoy something i don't, really?Sandvichman

Mind telling me why you don't enjoy mods?

What your saying is that getting free content is bad.

[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]I would rather go through the "trouble" of finding and downloading a mod like Desert Combat, which adds a ton of maps, vehicles and weapons and offers many significant additions and improvements over the original game, than pay $10 for three maps. I won't even bother trying to understand why anyone wouldn't.lowe0

because yours is not an opinion...its a predisposition. Your entire argument is that since its not made by the developer, its not worth getting. Despite that in many cases its better (and even recognized as better by the developer) and for no money at all.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

this has nothing to do with prefrence, were not talking about a single game or even a genre of games. Its like saying I dont like free content for the games I love. It doesnt make any sense.

cobrax25

yes, the average mod is pretty bad...but there are so many of them there are plenty of good. Mods like Project Reality have become larger then many full games in terms of content and have been reviewed very well by many gaming mags.

Others like Portal: first slice are as well designed as the original portal.

And Many user created maps, are later made official by the developer.

If you choose mods at random...then your doing it wrong.

Again: I prefer DLC to mods because I already know I like the developer's work, and because it's been professionally tested by both the developer (or publisher) and the platform vendor. For most games, though, I skip the DLC as I've already moved on to something else. Where's the hypocrisy in my preference?lowe0

What about custom maps?

Custom maps=unlimited potential for free, longer playibilty as well.

Look at Counter Strike for example and other games, mods=prolonged life where as your console games die in a few months do to no content coming in since the dev stopped supporting it.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] in my experience, very few mods end up being good or worth while, there are some that are awesome, but most are bugged and glitchy messes,, unfinished and unpolished alot of times. I don't even bother with mods now unless theres some sort of ridiculous review and everyone is doing it.savagetwinkie

yes, the average mod is pretty bad...but there are so many of them there are plenty of good. Mods like Project Reality have become larger then many full games in terms of content and have been reviewed very well by many gaming mags.

Others like Portal: first slice are as well designed as the original portal.

And Many user created maps, are later made official by the developer.

If you choose mods at random...then your doing it wrong.

Thats just a generalization, there are plenty of mods out there that are very popular. Just look at project reality, insurgency, DOTA....etc. Plenty of people playing them and plenty of servers runnuning. And of course, that isnt even an issue with singleplayer mods.

Check this mod out for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNFeE8mIlxQ

If this was on consoles it would probably cost $20-$30, but thats ok according to you consolites.

I fail to see how the only content you can get for your games if from devs, no freedom but once again thats ok to you guys since you can't really do mods on consoles so therefore you downplay it.

:roll:

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

this has nothing to do with prefrence, were not talking about a single game or even a genre of games. Its like saying I dont like free content for the games I love. It doesnt make any sense.

cobrax25

Well you also paid for that map pack...you forgot to mention that. And personally, there were deffinetly a lot of source mods that I enjoyed more so then many DLC packs. Insurgency and Pirates vs. knights I both played for a while. And soon I will be trying out dear ester, which is supposed to be very good.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]I would rather go through the "trouble" of finding and downloading a mod like Desert Combat, which adds a ton of maps, vehicles and weapons and offers many significant additions and improvements over the original game, than pay $10 for three maps. I won't even bother trying to understand why anyone wouldn't.cobrax25

because yours is not an opinion...its a predisposition. Your entire argument is that since its not made by the developer, its not worth getting. Despite that in many cases its better (and even recognized as better by the developer) and for no money at all.

Check this mod out for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNFeE8mIlxQ

If this was on consoles it would probably cost $20-$30, but thats ok according to you consolites.

I fail to see how the only content you can get for your games if from devs, no freedom but once again thats ok to you guys since you can't really do mods on consoles so therefore you downplay it.

:roll:

Instashot

Hell something like this :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TUrwljskNg

easily has enough content and quality to have a full game pricing.

Well you also paid for that map pack...you forgot to mention that. And personally, there were deffinetly a lot of source mods that I enjoyed more so then many DLC packs. Insurgency and Pirates vs. knights I both played for a while. And soon I will be trying out dear ester, which is supposed to be very good.

This proves my preferance arguement.Sandvichman

How is it a preference when there are mods of every type for free which on consoles they call dlc and charge $ for.

They even have Halo maps in games like TF2, CS, etc and how much did it cost? 0.

Its not preference you're just a blind consolefanboy who downplays mods since they aren't on consoles.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Okay, but what makes your opinion valid and not mine? Let's hear it.lowe0

because yours is not an opinion...its a predisposition. Your entire argument is that since its not made by the developer, its not worth getting. Despite that in many cases its better (and even recognized as better by the developer) and for no money at all.

Nobody is trying to change your argument...Everyone is trying to tell you that your argument dosnt make any sense at all...which it doesnt. All that youve proven to us is that you have a negative pre-disposition to mods without having any experience with them.

All that youve proven to us is that you have a negative pre-disposition to mods without having any experience with them.cobrax25

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]All that youve proven to us is that you have a negative pre-disposition to mods without having any experience with them.lowe0

If you have fond memories of them, why are you calling them worthless now?

I dont know if you have noticed...but what your entire argument has boiled down to "I dont like mods because the people making them are not the developers" but when you say that, you are making the assumption that people outside of the development team cant produce high quality content, which is not only baseless, but easily proven to be untrue simply by the countless times modders have been picked up by development studios.

Check this mod out for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNFeE8mIlxQ

If this was on consoles it would probably cost $20-$30, but thats ok according to you consolites.

I fail to see how the only content you can get for your games if from devs, no freedom but once again thats ok to you guys since you can't really do mods on consoles so therefore you downplay it.

:roll:

Instashot

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

Well you also paid for that map pack...you forgot to mention that. And personally, there were deffinetly a lot of source mods that I enjoyed more so then many DLC packs. Insurgency and Pirates vs. knights I both played for a while. And soon I will be trying out dear ester, which is supposed to be very good.

This proves my preferance arguement.Instashot

How is it a preference when there are mods of every type for free which on consoles they call dlc and charge $ for.

They even have Halo maps in games like TF2, CS, etc and how much did it cost? 0.

Its not preference you're just a blind consolefanboy who downplays mods since they aren't on consoles.

[QUOTE="Instashot"]

Check this mod out for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNFeE8mIlxQ

If this was on consoles it would probably cost $20-$30, but thats ok according to you consolites.

I fail to see how the only content you can get for your games if from devs, no freedom but once again thats ok to you guys since you can't really do mods on consoles so therefore you downplay it.

:roll:

savagetwinkie

they cant charge for it not because of the copywright, but because its a mod....there are many total conversion mods out there, and they are all free.

that doesnt mean its bad...its a very good mod from what I played.

[QUOTE="Instashot"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

Well you also paid for that map pack...you forgot to mention that. And personally, there were deffinetly a lot of source mods that I enjoyed more so then many DLC packs. Insurgency and Pirates vs. knights I both played for a while. And soon I will be trying out dear ester, which is supposed to be very good.

This proves my preferance arguement.Sandvichman

How is it a preference when there are mods of every type for free which on consoles they call dlc and charge $ for.

They even have Halo maps in games like TF2, CS, etc and how much did it cost? 0.

Its not preference you're just a blind consolefanboy who downplays mods since they aren't on consoles.

Forget Halo, or any specif game....are you really telling me though that you would rather pay $10 for 3 maps rather then get a hell of a lot more of them all for free.