Dice Technical director.Why the frostbite engine will never come to the WiiU.

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[QUOTE="Nohtnym"]

Which group of people nintendo is directing that power show? People who think wii u is less powerful than 360/ps3, wii u is equel to 360/ps3, or for people who think wii u is more powerful than 360 and ps3, but nowhere near nextgen?

I guess wii u is powerful, if you have coded games for wii level of power for the past 6 years. But you have developers, who are coding for nvidia titan, calling it weak...

Nohtnym

All the people who doubt the WiiU's power.

I doubt wii u is as powerful as ps4. I guess nintendo is going to show me that is false...

I'm talking about being as strong as the 360/PS3 or barely stronger. The WiiU is stronger than them most likely, but weaker than the PS4 and 720.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

As I said before, it was the best combination (though personally I think MP3 was better than Galaxy graphically) but that's what graphics essentially are. Give and take, you can't be perfect in every area. Galaxy certainly wasn't. It had a very pretty look but in terms of geometry it was very basic in comparison to something like MP3 which was easily on par with just about anything released in that regard. The best looking Wii games were Galaxy 2, Red Steel 2, Crystal Bearers, Zack and Wiki and Monster Hunter 3. I guess you can prob throw Brawl in there too.

ActicEdge

Hey, brawl is also a nice combination :P

Anyway, side note, campcom needs to make zack and wiki 2. Get the producer back on that boat instead of producing shit fests like RE6. Zack and Wiki was one of the best games I played in the last 10 years and with motion plus it easily could have fixed some of its flaws. Those were puzzles that made me use my head. Did you ever play it? I assume its pretty rare at this point.

[QUOTE="Nohtnym"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

All the people who doubt the WiiU's power.

super600

I doubt wii u is as powerful as ps4. I guess nintendo is going to show me that is false...

I'm talking about being as strong as the 360/PS3 or barely stronger. The WiiU is stronger than them, but weaker than the PS4 and 720.

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[QUOTE="locopatho"] Brawl? No.... ew :P Well doesn't matter either way, Galaxy/Prime 3/Zack and Wiki were essentially the limit, shown inside the first year. You could argue there was some tricks and marginal improvements or whatever but that was essentially the standard. Ditto for Gears 1 and Uncharted 1, they showed what 360 and PS3 could do. There are better looking games then them but they're all in the same ballpark.locopatho

Hey, brawl is also a nice combination :P

Anyway, side note, campcom needs to make zack and wiki 2. Get the producer back on that boat instead of producing shit fests like RE6. Zack and Wiki was one of the best games I played in the last 10 years and with motion plus it easily could have fixed some of its flaws. Those were puzzles that made me use my head. Did you ever play it? I assume its pretty rare at this point.

I wish Nintendo would go after more games like that. The sales were ultra disappointing which to me is a shame since I actually do think it could have sold well with a good marketing campaign. It had most things going for it (except being way to friggin hard vs what the art would suggest). I'm still a sheep at heart but I just have found that I'm more interested in playing games than worrying about all the other stuff I used to argue about. 

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Hey, brawl is also a nice combination :P

Anyway, side note, campcom needs to make zack and wiki 2. Get the producer back on that boat instead of producing shit fests like RE6. Zack and Wiki was one of the best games I played in the last 10 years and with motion plus it easily could have fixed some of its flaws. Those were puzzles that made me use my head. Did you ever play it? I assume its pretty rare at this point.

ActicEdge

I wish Nintendo would go after more games like that. The sales were ultra disappointing which to me is a shame since I actually do think it could have sold well with a good marketing campaign. It had most things going for it (except being way to friggin hard vs what the art would suggest). I'm still a sheep at heart but I just have found that I'm more interested in playing games than worrying about all the other stuff I used to argue about. 

*looks at Shadows of the Eternals footage*

Again, call Bullshit on Dice's part. Cryengine 3 runs perfectly and produces amazing graphics on Wii U. The Wii U is powerful hardware, nobody is debating whether or not it's as powerful as the PS4 or 720, it's not. But, it is roughly 2x or so more powerful than the PS3/360. I mean, really, are people really this stupid to think that the Wii U isn't capable of PS3/360 graphics? Just stupid and ignorant.

*looks at Shadows of the Eternals footage*

Again, call Bullshit on Dice's part. Cryengine 3 runs perfectly and produces amazing graphics on Wii U. The Wii U is powerful hardware, nobody is debating whether or not it's as powerful as the PS4 or 720, it's not. But, it is roughly 2x or so more powerful than the PS3/360. I mean, really, are people really this stupid to think that the Wii U isn't capable of PS3/360 graphics? Just stupid and ignorant.

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[QUOTE="locopatho"] Yup played it and LOVED it. Those were the heady early days of Wii, when Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3, Trauma Centre, Warioware, Wii Sports, Zack And Wiki, No More Heroes were all awesome motion controlled games and I was happy. One could even have called me a Sheep back then :P My how things change :lol: Zack And Wiki 2 would be a system seller for me more then likely.locopatho

I wish Nintendo would go after more games like that. The sales were ultra disappointing which to me is a shame since I actually do think it could have sold well with a good marketing campaign. It had most things going for it (except being way to friggin hard vs what the art would suggest). I'm still a sheep at heart but I just have found that I'm more interested in playing games than worrying about all the other stuff I used to argue about. 

Who knows, the company is a shell of its former self. They need less of these blockbuster epics and more of their fundamentals back. They were amazing in the first 3 years of the gen and now imo they suck. They also need Z&W2 asap, I want it so badly.

Maybe the WiiU needs a "Super FX chip" to stay competitive to next-gen systems? ;)

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I wish Nintendo would go after more games like that. The sales were ultra disappointing which to me is a shame since I actually do think it could have sold well with a good marketing campaign. It had most things going for it (except being way to friggin hard vs what the art would suggest). I'm still a sheep at heart but I just have found that I'm more interested in playing games than worrying about all the other stuff I used to argue about. 

ActicEdge

Who knows, the company is a shell of its former self. They need less of these blockbuster epics and more of their fundamentals back. They were amazing in the first 3 years of the gen and now imo they suck. They also need Z&W2 asap, I want it so badly.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I've never played a nintendo game with bad performance so I'm not ready to assume that trend will be broken. I dunno why you would either.

ActicEdge

Well I'm pretty sure I specifcally said performance because I was specifically talking about performance :|  You shouldn't infer. Anyway, OS is something that can easily be fixed. A game is a "little" different. The Ps3 and 360's feature set and performance did nothing but increase over time. I expect the WiiU to be the same. Its pretty hard to regress in that sense.

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[QUOTE="locopatho"] Ah yeah. All this is just crap. The games and fun are what matter. I actually still love playing my Wii. But I also love shitting on it in SW for funsies :D I wonder if Capcom will make any awesome WiiU exclusives like they did for Gamecube and Wii.locopatho

Who knows, the company is a shell of its former self. They need less of these blockbuster epics and more of their fundamentals back. They were amazing in the first 3 years of the gen and now imo they suck. They also need Z&W2 asap, I want it so badly.

Didn't really feel MvsC3. DR2 and DD I didn't play. The last Capcom game I was interested enough to buy and enjoyed was MH3. We'll see what they do next gen. Right now I'm underwhelmed. Canceling MML3 didn't help either.

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[QUOTE="Nohtnym"]

I doubt wii u is as powerful as ps4. I guess nintendo is going to show me that is false...

Quad4Life

I'm talking about being as strong as the 360/PS3 or barely stronger. The WiiU is stronger than them, but weaker than the PS4 and 720.

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[QUOTE="super600"]

Crysis 3 had a framerate and resolution bump when crytek tested the WiiU's power before they scrapped the WiiU version of the game.

super600

Crysis 3 also works on the 360 and PS3. It's not like Crytek said "we cannot get CryEngine 3 to work on the 360 and PS3, but it works on the WiiU".

Crysis 3 struggled to run on the 360 and PS3. The framerate in crysis 3 dipped below 30 at times..The game was also displayed at a sub hd resolution on those consoles.The runored WiiU version displayed at a resolution of 720P and ran at a framerate of at least 30-35 fps before it was canned.

http://inintendo.net/index.php/the-news/185-rumor-crytek-runs-crysis-3-on-wii-u

So.... the WiiU is marginally more powerful than the 360. My point is, you cannot say "Frostbite 3 should be able to run on the WiiU because CryEngine 3 can", when they are entiredly different technologies.

CryEngine 3 runs perfectly on it. Shadow of the Eternals looks incredible. I call BS...there's another reason.

Puckhog04

It was running on a PC

This thread gives Coolyfett Life!!!!

*looks at Shadows of the Eternals footage*

Again, call Bullshit on Dice's part. Cryengine 3 runs perfectly and produces amazing graphics on Wii U. The Wii U is powerful hardware, nobody is debating whether or not it's as powerful as the PS4 or 720, it's not. But, it is roughly 2x or so more powerful than the PS3/360. I mean, really, are people really this stupid to think that the Wii U isn't capable of PS3/360 graphics? Just stupid and ignorant.

Puckhog04

Crysis's physics info from http://http.developer.nvidia.com/GPUGems3/gpugems3_ch16.html

Vegetation in games has always been mainly static, with some sort of simple bending to give the illusion of wind. Our game scenes can have thousands of different vegetations, but still we pushed the envelope further by making vegetation react to global and local wind sources, and we bend not only the vegetation but also the leaves, in detail, with all computations procedurally and efficiently done on the GPU.

If devs moves additional workloads (as shown above) on the GPU and minimise the CPU, Wii U should remain competitive against Xbox 360/PS3.

Programming near metal GpGPU on VLIW Radeon HDs would be harder than near metal GpGPU on AMD GCN (scalar+SIMD based compute model). With instruction usage, VLIW Radeon HDs has plenty of special cases compared to AMD GCN. VLIW based processors are noted to be more complex than thier SIMD counterparts.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

*looks at Shadows of the Eternals footage*

Again, call Bullshit on Dice's part. Cryengine 3 runs perfectly and produces amazing graphics on Wii U. The Wii U is powerful hardware, nobody is debating whether or not it's as powerful as the PS4 or 720, it's not. But, it is roughly 2x or so more powerful than the PS3/360. I mean, really, are people really this stupid to think that the Wii U isn't capable of PS3/360 graphics? Just stupid and ignorant.

ronvalencia

Crysis's physics info from http://http.developer.nvidia.com/GPUGems3/gpugems3_ch16.html

Vegetation in games has always been mainly static, with some sort of simple bending to give the illusion of wind. Our game scenes can have thousands of different vegetations, but still we pushed the envelope further by making vegetation react to global and local wind sources, and we bend not only the vegetation but also the leaves, in detail, with all computations procedurally and efficiently done on the GPU.

If devs moves additional workloads (as shown above) on the GPU and minimise the CPU, Wii U should remain competitive against Xbox 360/PS3.

Programming near metal GpGPU on VLIW Radeon HDs would be harder than near metal GpGPU on AMD GCN (scalar+SIMD based compute model). With instruction usage, VLIW Radeon HDs has plenty of special cases compared to AMD GCN. VLIW based processors are noted to be more complex than thier SIMD counterparts.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

*looks at Shadows of the Eternals footage*

Again, call Bullshit on Dice's part. Cryengine 3 runs perfectly and produces amazing graphics on Wii U. The Wii U is powerful hardware, nobody is debating whether or not it's as powerful as the PS4 or 720, it's not. But, it is roughly 2x or so more powerful than the PS3/360. I mean, really, are people really this stupid to think that the Wii U isn't capable of PS3/360 graphics? Just stupid and ignorant.

godzillavskong

Crysis's physics info from http://http.developer.nvidia.com/GPUGems3/gpugems3_ch16.html

Vegetation in games has always been mainly static, with some sort of simple bending to give the illusion of wind. Our game scenes can have thousands of different vegetations, but still we pushed the envelope further by making vegetation react to global and local wind sources, and we bend not only the vegetation but also the leaves, in detail, with all computations procedurally and efficiently done on the GPU.

If devs moves additional workloads (as shown above) on the GPU and minimise the CPU, Wii U should remain competitive against Xbox 360/PS3.

Programming near metal GpGPU on VLIW Radeon HDs would be harder than near metal GpGPU on AMD GCN (scalar+SIMD based compute model). With instruction usage, VLIW Radeon HDs has plenty of special cases compared to AMD GCN. VLIW based processors are noted to be more complex than thier SIMD counterparts.

[QUOTE="godzillavskong"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Crysis's physics info from http://http.developer.nvidia.com/GPUGems3/gpugems3_ch16.html

Vegetation in games has always been mainly static, with some sort of simple bending to give the illusion of wind. Our game scenes can have thousands of different vegetations, but still we pushed the envelope further by making vegetation react to global and local wind sources, and we bend not only the vegetation but also the leaves, in detail, with all computations procedurally and efficiently done on the GPU.

 

If devs moves additional workloads (as shown above) on the GPU and minimise the CPU, Wii U should remain competitive against Xbox 360/PS3.

Programming near metal GpGPU on VLIW Radeon HDs would be harder than near metal GpGPU on AMD GCN (scalar+SIMD based compute model). With instruction usage, VLIW Radeon HDs has plenty of special cases compared to AMD GCN. VLIW based processors are noted to be more complex than thier SIMD counterparts.

 

PC_Otter

Graphics Core Next

It is AMDs nomenclature for their graphics core architecture that is currently in the 7000 series Radeon graphics processors.  It's SIMD based.  PS4 uses an enhanced version of GCN, some like to call it GCN 1.1.  Others think it might actually be GCN 2.0 altogether as should be used in AMD next wave of graphics processors, with the PS4's APU being the first application of it.   

lol what does ea make outside nfs   that id like any more , considering the fact they butchered madden 13 so much that season mode was very unplayable in fact you dont get to play half the time ,   you sit down and watch a live score tracker /field  like at nfl .com ,    and ya crysis and moh are old news i dont think i want any more war fpses or  ts clones that aint as good ,  

as far as im concerned ea is about as dead as dreamcast is in my book

lol what does ea make outside nfs   that id like any more , considering the fact they butchered madden 13 so much that season mode was very unplayable in fact you dont get to play half the time ,   you sit down and watch a live score tracker /field  like at nfl .com ,    and ya crysis and moh are old news i dont think i want any more war fpses or  ts clones that aint as good ,  

 

as far as im concerned ea is about as dead as dreamcast is in my book

mariokart64fan

Drew this last night..

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lol what does ea make outside nfs   that id like any more , considering the fact they butchered madden 13 so much that season mode was very unplayable in fact you dont get to play half the time ,   you sit down and watch a live score tracker /field  like at nfl .com ,    and ya crysis and moh are old news i dont think i want any more war fpses or  ts clones that aint as good ,  

 

as far as im concerned ea is about as dead as dreamcast is in my book

mariokart64fan

EA doesn't consider Wii U next gen

We get it, nothing's coming to the piece of crap Uxxunnecessaryxs

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