EGM July 08 issue #229 info and reviews (Ouch @ Metal Gear Solid IV)

Why does it matter? I don't mind - the story is great, and I don't mind cutscenes. It's the way the series has always been... people should be used to it.

gasmaskman

Very true. It's the Japanese way to make games like that. However this should also explain why some people don't give a hoot about this game.

How do you give MGS4 a B+? A lower score than wii ski for god sake?numba1234

yes. let's rate it higher just because of the game's name.

[QUOTE="Forensic-Klown"]

Love it how some reviews sound like there isn't a skip button...after the first play through and you know the story, the next time you simply skip the scenes, like most would do.

hardly a con...geez.

if anything, games these days need good storys...longer the better, IMO.

BioShockOwnz

I don't think it's the fact that you can't skip them. It says:

Cons: more cutscenes than gameplay!

That's completely different. There's ways to tell stories without cutscenes. Some of the best games told stories without constant cutscenes.

Yeah. Half-Life introduced the idea of interactive storytelling a decade ago and some games have yet to catch up. If anyone thinks you can't tell a great story while keeping everything strictly in-game and rarely ever taking control from you, look no further than that series.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Forensic-Klown"]

Love it how some reviews sound like there isn't a skip button...after the first play through and you know the story, the next time you simply skip the scenes, like most would do.

hardly a con...geez.

if anything, games these days need good storys...longer the better, IMO.

Zeliard9

I don't think it's the fact that you can't skip them. It says:

Cons: more cutscenes than gameplay!

That's completely different. There's ways to tell stories without cutscenes. Some of the best games told stories without constant cutscenes.

Yeah. Half-Life introduced the idea of interactive storytelling a decade ago and some games have yet to catch up. If anyone thinks you can't tell a great story while keeping everything strictly in-game and rarely ever taking control from you, look no further than that series.

What worked for Half-Life would not work for the MGS series.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Forensic-Klown"]

Love it how some reviews sound like there isn't a skip button...after the first play through and you know the story, the next time you simply skip the scenes, like most would do.

hardly a con...geez.

if anything, games these days need good storys...longer the better, IMO.

Zeliard9

I don't think it's the fact that you can't skip them. It says:

Cons: more cutscenes than gameplay!

That's completely different. There's ways to tell stories without cutscenes. Some of the best games told stories without constant cutscenes.

Yeah. Half-Life introduced the idea of interactive storytelling a decade ago and some games have yet to catch up. If anyone thinks you can't tell a great story while keeping everything strictly in-game and rarely ever taking control from you, look no further than that series.

Why should that mean a game should have interactive storytelling? Yes, Half-Life is one of the best stories, and one of the best way of telling it, but that doesn't mean MGS can't be a cutscene-focused game. There's a huge difference - one is from America, the other is from Japan. If people have a problem with cutscenes, why would they buy the game?

Ninja gaiden 2 game of the month?

the pwnage has already begun

[QUOTE="numba1234"]How do you give MGS4 a B+? A lower score than wii ski for god sake?CaseyWegner

yes. let's rate it higher just because of the game's name.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ss_FlLPqfbI

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TT61WWQMNT0&feature=related

and also thanks for writing a comment on my blog, I have a bragging right over everyone else..

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

Ah...the first beating of MGS by NG2.

Keep 'em coming!

L1qu1dSword

oh yes! haze was only the begining of the cow feast to come. bring on the burgers cause mgs4 is gonna be butchered by NG2!!!

NG2, a game which will most likely have the same luckluster story with only being the gameplay thats good? MGS4 is the whole package, only a X-fanboy would agree with you. sorry.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="numba1234"]How do you give MGS4 a B+? A lower score than wii ski for god sake?numba1234

yes. let's rate it higher just because of the game's name.

apparently not.

Sad part is , is that they probably reviewed MGS 4 like a game without a story.

But only like what 20 days left?

Even more good news for MGS fans. MGS4 is sounding more and more like MGS2 (a.k.a. Kojima's greatest masterpiece).

Too people complaining about the amound of cutscenes, don't buy MGS4. This game is for the fans. There'll be many cutscenes. Oh happy day.

bstarter29

I agree 100% with this guy8)

[QUOTE="gasmaskman"]

"More cutscenes than gameplay"

That's not a con nor a pro. MGS is about the story... :|

blitzkid1

so watch a movie if want a story .

I think it should become standard to expect some type of good/well-told story to be in a game; or at least there is no reason to bash a game because your watching cutscenes. You're still playing the game through till the end, shooting people and sneaking around, its just there is story to it which is something I think people are annoyed by too easily.

God of War going to the PS2 already.. why can't any games just stay exclusive to the PSP.user_nat

Well its smart on Sony's part. GOW is a house hold name.

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="TBoogy"]

Ah...the first beating of MGS by NG2.

Keep 'em coming!

Forensic-Klown

oh yes! haze was only the begining of the cow feast to come. bring on the burgers cause mgs4 is gonna be butchered by NG2!!!

NG2, a game which will most likely have the same luckluster story with only being the gameplay thats good? MGS4 is the whole package, only a X-fanboy would agree with you. sorry.

[QUOTE="numba1234"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="numba1234"]How do you give MGS4 a B+? A lower score than wii ski for god sake?CaseyWegner

yes. let's rate it higher just because of the game's name.

apparently not.

1. Box art

2. Screenshots

Am i missing something here? Despite that B+ its still AAA....

Are people expecting perfection? Sorry but thats not going to happen. Not even for Metal Gear.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="numba1234"]How do you give MGS4 a B+? A lower score than wii ski for god sake?AmyMizuno

yes. let's rate it higher just because of the game's name.

I think each game should be judged on it's own merits in a way that better review scores go towards better games. If anything, the fact that MGS4 has the name "Metal Gear" in the title may have worked against it, probably more than did we ski's title.

he hasn't played the game and is complaining that it didn't score higher.

I am going to excessively bag on this game because of

1. Box art

2. Screenshots

numba1234

because those are more important than the game itself.

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

I don't think it's the fact that you can't skip them. It says:

Cons: more cutscenes than gameplay!

That's completely different. There's ways to tell stories without cutscenes. Some of the best games told stories without constant cutscenes.

xTHExJUICEx

Yeah. Half-Life introduced the idea of interactive storytelling a decade ago and some games have yet to catch up. If anyone thinks you can't tell a great story while keeping everything strictly in-game and rarely ever taking control from you, look no further than that series.

What worked for Half-Life would not work for the MGS series.

Why should that mean a game should have interactive storytelling? Yes, Half-Life is one of the best stories, and one of the best way of telling it, but that doesn't mean MGS can't be a cutscene-focused game. There's a huge difference - one is from America, the other is from Japan. If people have a problem with cutscenes, why would they buy the game?gasmaskman

It would work for any series. Some MGS purists used to say that full camera control wouldn't work for MGS because a fixed perspective is "its thing". This is sort of the same thing. I'm not at all saying that there needs to be less story or anything like that.

I just think there's a different and much more effective and immersive way to deliver a story in a game nowadays, and when you consider the fact that the cutscenes in MGS4 are actually in-game and often transition directly to or from gameplay, it's sort of mind-boggling that they would limit the player's involvement so much. Why go through the trouble of making the transition seamless, when by taking control from the player so often, you're just shattering the illusion?

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="TBoogy"]

Ah...the first beating of MGS by NG2.

Keep 'em coming!

Forensic-Klown

oh yes! haze was only the begining of the cow feast to come. bring on the burgers cause mgs4 is gonna be butchered by NG2!!!

NG2, a game which will most likely have the same luckluster story with only being the gameplay thats good? MGS4 is the whole package, only a X-fanboy would agree with you. sorry.

I have a feeling a majority of reviewers will be agreeing with me too. Go back to waiting for your overrated movie with gameplay cutscenes.

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="numba1234"]How do you give MGS4 a B+? A lower score than wii ski for god sake?CaseyWegner

yes. let's rate it higher just because of the game's name.

I think each game should be judged on it's own merits in a way that better review scores go towards better games. If anything, the fact that MGS4 has the name "Metal Gear" in the title may have worked against it, probably more than did we ski's title.

he hasn't played the game and is complaining that it didn't score higher.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Forensic-Klown"]

Love it how some reviews sound like there isn't a skip button...after the first play through and you know the story, the next time you simply skip the scenes, like most would do.

hardly a con...geez.

if anything, games these days need good storys...longer the better, IMO.

Zeliard9

I don't think it's the fact that you can't skip them. It says:

Cons: more cutscenes than gameplay!

That's completely different. There's ways to tell stories without cutscenes. Some of the best games told stories without constant cutscenes.

Yeah. Half-Life introduced the idea of interactive storytelling a decade ago and some games have yet to catch up. If anyone thinks you can't tell a great story while keeping everything strictly in-game and rarely ever taking control from you, look no further than that series.

the downside: you cannot skip in-game storytelling like that on successive playthroughs.

"More cutscenes than gameplay"

That's not a con nor a pro. MGS is about the story... :|

gasmaskman

And games are about interaction. If I wanted to see a movie, I'd rent one.

That's honestly the only thing that turns me off about MGS4.

It would work for any series. Some MGS purists used to say that full camera control wouldn't work for MGS because a fixed perspective is "its thing". This is sort of the same thing. I'm not at all saying that there needs to be less story or anything like that.

I just think there's a different and much more effective and immersive way to deliver a story in a game nowadays, and when you consider the fact that the cutscenes in MGS4 are actually in-game and often transition directly to or from gameplay, it's sort of mind-boggling that they would limit the player's involvement so much. Why go through the trouble of making the transition seamless, when by taking control from the player so often, you're just shattering the illusion?

Zeliard9

I would go out on a limb and say it's rather difficult to do that sort of thing. I would say the Japanese way isn't really about interactivity as much and more about story (JRPGs, especially).

I like both ways, but I think that MGS with cutscenes would just work out better...

[QUOTE="Forensic-Klown"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="TBoogy"]

Ah...the first beating of MGS by NG2.

Keep 'em coming!

L1qu1dSword

oh yes! haze was only the begining of the cow feast to come. bring on the burgers cause mgs4 is gonna be butchered by NG2!!!

NG2, a game which will most likely have the same luckluster story with only being the gameplay thats good? MGS4 is the whole package, only a X-fanboy would agree with you. sorry.

I have a feeling a majority of reviewers will be agreeing with me too. Go back to waiting for your overrated movie with gameplay cutscenes.

ohh man u really hate MGS4.I hope u are around whe MGS4 gets AAA.

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="TBoogy"]

Ah...the first beating of MGS by NG2.

Keep 'em coming!

Forensic-Klown

oh yes! haze was only the begining of the cow feast to come. bring on the burgers cause mgs4 is gonna be butchered by NG2!!!

NG2, a game which will most likely have the same luckluster story with only being the gameplay thats good? MGS4 is the whole package, only a X-fanboy would agree with you. sorry.

dont kid yourself mgs will have a better storyline but NG gameplay is miles beyond anything mgs can hope to accomplish

[QUOTE="Forensic-Klown"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="TBoogy"]

Ah...the first beating of MGS by NG2.

Keep 'em coming!

Mad_Rhetoric

oh yes! haze was only the begining of the cow feast to come. bring on the burgers cause mgs4 is gonna be butchered by NG2!!!

NG2, a game which will most likely have the same luckluster story with only being the gameplay thats good? MGS4 is the whole package, only a X-fanboy would agree with you. sorry.

WOW, 1 review and you think its fact? :lol:

and thats a GOOD score.

Ninja Gaiden and Metal Gear Solid 4 come out as 9.0 (AAA) titles when you add the scores together, they come out exactly the same...

Common Sense FTW!

[QUOTE="xTHExJUICEx"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

I don't think it's the fact that you can't skip them. It says:

Cons: more cutscenes than gameplay!

That's completely different. There's ways to tell stories without cutscenes. Some of the best games told stories without constant cutscenes.

Zeliard9

Yeah. Half-Life introduced the idea of interactive storytelling a decade ago and some games have yet to catch up. If anyone thinks you can't tell a great story while keeping everything strictly in-game and rarely ever taking control from you, look no further than that series.

What worked for Half-Life would not work for the MGS series.

Why should that mean a game should have interactive storytelling? Yes, Half-Life is one of the best stories, and one of the best way of telling it, but that doesn't mean MGS can't be a cutscene-focused game. There's a huge difference - one is from America, the other is from Japan. If people have a problem with cutscenes, why would they buy the game?gasmaskman

It would work for any series. Some MGS purists used to say that full camera control wouldn't work for MGS because a fixed perspective is "its thing". This is sort of the same thing. I'm not at all saying that there needs to be less story or anything like that.

I just think there's a different and much more effective and immersive way to deliver a story in a game nowadays, and when you consider the fact that the cutscenes in MGS4 are actually in-game and often transition directly to or from gameplay, it's sort of mind-boggling that they would limit the player's involvement so much. Why go through the trouble of making the transition seamless, when by taking control from the player so often, you're just shattering the illusion?

there is a problem though. solid snake would not be the character he is if he were not seen from the omniscient third-person perspective at times. he is not by any means a silent protagonist like Gordon.

[QUOTE="Forensic-Klown"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="TBoogy"]

Ah...the first beating of MGS by NG2.

Keep 'em coming!

manny280

oh yes! haze was only the begining of the cow feast to come. bring on the burgers cause mgs4 is gonna be butchered by NG2!!!

NG2, a game which will most likely have the same luckluster story with only being the gameplay thats good? MGS4 is the whole package, only a X-fanboy would agree with you. sorry.

dont kid yourself mgs will have a better storyline but NG gameplay is miles beyond anything mgs can hope to accomplish

Errr, totally different games. :?

all i'm saying is MGS4 is the whole package and maybe NG2 will be IF the story can be something more than some garbage put together for the sake of it.

btw, your opinion..NOT facts.

thank you.

It would work for any series. Some MGS purists used to say that full camera control wouldn't work for MGS because a fixed perspective is "its thing". This is sort of the same thing. I'm not at all saying that there needs to be less story or anything like that.

I just think there's a different and much more effective and immersive way to deliver a story in a game nowadays, and when you consider the fact that the cutscenes in MGS4 are actually in-game and often transition directly to or from gameplay, it's sort of mind-boggling that they would limit the player's involvement so much. Why go through the trouble of making the transition seamless, when by taking control from the player so often, you're just shattering the illusion?

Zeliard9

I believe its to make it more cinematic; to give it that movie feel presentation almost or something like that. Kojima is showing you what he wants you to see, not a grain of sand on the ground while someone is talking.

Neither way is bad though; I love Half-Life so much, and I also love MGS. Both are great ways to tell a story. :D

Funny thing is, Offical PS UK mag said that 1/3 of the game is cutscenes. And it took him about 29 hours to complete. This contradicts the EGM review. I'll wait till IGN reviews it.TREAL_Since

Yea unless hes referring to just that there is a lot of cut scenes. Which is to be expected from MGS.

[QUOTE="gasmaskman"]

"More cutscenes than gameplay"

That's not a con nor a pro. MGS is about the story... :|

ParadiddleFill

when did video games become movies thats what I wanna know

A little bit after pong came out when people started wanting a story not just gameplay...

[QUOTE="numba1234"]

I am going to excessively bag on this game because of

1. Box art

2. Screenshots

CaseyWegner

because those are more important than the game itself.

i guest things never change.Casey trying to be lemming again.(in his response he will say how he isn't a lemming and prove it).LOLU really think that stupid gm compares to MGS4???LOL the cons were it's cutscnenes which we already learned had more gameplay then cutscenenes.

Rumors:

- Skies of Arcadia sequel will be announced sooner than you might think, along with that other SEGA franchise that you want the most, both for the Wii

Prosecut0rGodot

Ninja Gaiden and Metal Gear Solid 4 come out as 9.0 (AAA) titles when you add the scores together, they come out exactly the same...

Common Sense FTW!

Zenkuso

ng2 game of the month

mgs4 movie of the month

ng2 game of the month

mgs4 movie of the month

jrpgliker

lol, i see what you did there.

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"][QUOTE="gasmaskman"]

"More cutscenes than gameplay"

That's not a con nor a pro. MGS is about the story... :|

munu9

when did video games become movies thats what I wanna know

A little bit after pong came out when people started wanting a story not just gameplay...

having a story isnt the same thing as being a game with more cutscenes then gameplay

[QUOTE="Forensic-Klown"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="TBoogy"]

Ah...the first beating of MGS by NG2.

Keep 'em coming!

manny280

oh yes! haze was only the begining of the cow feast to come. bring on the burgers cause mgs4 is gonna be butchered by NG2!!!

NG2, a game which will most likely have the same luckluster story with only being the gameplay thats good? MGS4 is the whole package, only a X-fanboy would agree with you. sorry.

dont kid yourself mgs will have a better storyline but NG gameplay is miles beyond anything mgs can hope to accomplish

LOL MGS3 gameplay is just fine and the reviews i read MGS4 has great gameplay that improved over all MGS before it.

ng2 game of the month

mgs4 movie of the month

jrpgliker

lol mgs4 coming to a theater near you

[QUOTE="Mad_Rhetoric"][QUOTE="Forensic-Klown"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="TBoogy"]

Ah...the first beating of MGS by NG2.

Keep 'em coming!

Forensic-Klown

oh yes! haze was only the begining of the cow feast to come. bring on the burgers cause mgs4 is gonna be butchered by NG2!!!

NG2, a game which will most likely have the same luckluster story with only being the gameplay thats good? MGS4 is the whole package, only a X-fanboy would agree with you. sorry.

WOW, 1 review and you think its fact? :lol:

and thats a GOOD score.

I love it when fan boys who blindly defend there games end up looking like idiots

[QUOTE="Forensic-Klown"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="TBoogy"]

Ah...the first beating of MGS by NG2.

Keep 'em coming!

manny280

oh yes! haze was only the begining of the cow feast to come. bring on the burgers cause mgs4 is gonna be butchered by NG2!!!

NG2, a game which will most likely have the same luckluster story with only being the gameplay thats good? MGS4 is the whole package, only a X-fanboy would agree with you. sorry.

dont kid yourself mgs will have a better storyline but NG gameplay is miles beyond anything mgs can hope to accomplish

I'm assuming you've played both games.