Gamespot uses the term "console exclusive"....

[QUOTE="hysam20241"]But be serious. Windows is the only single OS that can run all games availbe on pc. And as you said, I'm sure a combination of different versions of other OS's can run most pc games but this is a combination. Don't you guys ever see the pc box cover. A lot of them say " only on windows based pc's" or something like that.Vandalvideo

I thought we are talking about gaming computers here.

I thought we are talking about gaming computers here.hysam20241

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]Because it's a pointless term, just as pointless as saying black box exclusive. PC is a gaming platform, and attempting to exclude it is just cherry picking what you consider.anshul89

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[QUOTE="hysam20241"]Read my post! I said microsoft are the ones that are getting a chunk of the profit from microsoft published games not sony or nintendo (the only two other game system company competitors).

hysam20241

Come on. This is the second time i asked you to read that post. Here let me just say it again here. Games that are microsoft published should be called microsoft exclusives. Games that are not, like mass effect should not be called microsoft exclusives. thats what I was trying to say in my original post but you overlooked it because i said that " you need windows to run mass effect anyways". My main point in the first one and that was the one i was referring to.

By the way I understand what you are trying to say and I completely agree with you on that.

[QUOTE="hysam20241"]I thought we are talking about gaming computers here.Vandalvideo

Macs and pc's are different and you know that. Just like how the 360 and the ps3 is different. Also what games do Mac's have that PC's don't? I'm almost certain that it has nothing worthwhile.

Come on. This is the second time i asked you to read that post. Here let me just say it again here. Games that are microsoft published should be called microsoft exclusives. Games that are not, like mass effect should not be called microsoft exclusives. thats what I was trying to say in my original post but you overlooked it because i said that " you need windows to run mass effect anyways". My main point in the first one and that was the one i was referring to.

By the way I understand what you are trying to say and I completely agree with you on that.

hysam20241

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="hysam20241"]I thought we are talking about gaming computers here.hysam20241

Macs and pc's are different and you know that. Just like how the 360 and the ps3 is different. Also what games do Mac's have that PC's don't? I'm almost certain that it has nothing worthwhile.

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] MACs can be gaming computers.EVOLV3

Macs and pc's are different and you know that. Just like how the 360 and the ps3 is different. Also what games do Mac's have that PC's don't? I'm almost certain that it has nothing worthwhile.

Name one game on the mac that is not on the pc. Mac's have no big project games.

Macs and pc's are different and you know that. Just like how the 360 and the ps3 is different. Also what games do Mac's have that PC's don't? I'm almost certain that it has nothing worthwhile.

hysam20241

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]

[QUOTE="hysam20241"]

Come on. This is the second time i asked you to read that post. Here let me just say it again here. Games that are microsoft published should be called microsoft exclusives. Games that are not, like mass effect should not be called microsoft exclusives. thats what I was trying to say in my original post but you overlooked it because i said that " you need windows to run mass effect anyways". My main point in the first one and that was the one i was referring to.

By the way I understand what you are trying to say and I completely agree with you on that.

hysam20241

I am not the OP! I never said that pc/360 games aren't multiplatform. Stop quoting me and responding to something i never said. Your not the only one that did this.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="hysam20241"]I thought we are talking about gaming computers here.hysam20241

Macs and pc's are different and you know that. Just like how the 360 and the ps3 is different. Also what games do Mac's have that PC's don't? I'm almost certain that it has nothing worthwhile.

Name one game on the mac that is not on the pc. Mac's have no big project games.hysam20241

[QUOTE="hysam20241"]Macs and pc's are different and you know that. Just like how the 360 and the ps3 is different. Also what games do Mac's have that PC's don't? I'm almost certain that it has nothing worthwhile.

foxhound_fox

I'm just saying different as in they are not customisable. A person cannot make a gaming mac by scratch. But you are right mac's are basically pc's.

[QUOTE="hysam20241"]Name one game on the mac that is not on the pc. Mac's have no big project games.Vandalvideo

Make a list. I don't care. But answer me on this are there any big project games that are soley on the mac? There might be but i never heard of one. If you give me one I'll say that you are right and we can move on.

I'm just saying different as in they are not customisable. A person cannot make a gaming mac by scratch. But you are right mac's are basically pc's.hysam20241

Make a list. I don't care. But answer me on this are there any big project games that are soley on the mac? There might be but i never heard of one. If you give me one I'll say that you are right and we can move on.hysam20241

[QUOTE="hysam20241"]I'm just saying different as in they are not customisable. A person cannot make a gaming mac by scratch. But you are right mac's are basically pc's.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="hysam20241"]Make a list. I don't care. But answer me on this are there any big project games that are soley on the mac? There might be but i never heard of one. If you give me one I'll say that you are right and we can move on.Vandalvideo

Okay. Dude was making that point seriously worth 20 posts lol.

I'm just saying different as in they are not customisable. A person cannot make a gaming mac by scratch. But you are right mac's are basically pc's.

hysam20241

[QUOTE="hysam20241"]I'm just saying different as in they are not customisable. A person cannot make a gaming mac by scratch. But you are right mac's are basically pc's.

foxhound_fox

They are pc's. I said originally they are not gaming pc's. But to save ourselves some argument they can be made into very crappy gaming pc's. So you guys are right that macs can technically be gaming pc's.

You guys, I'm not an enemy of the pc (the gaming pc I built was the first gaming system i had). I just didn't like the fact that some people think that calling halo a multiplatform game (which it technically is) does not negitively effect the ps3 which it obviously does.

Here's the thing: Most of the Lems on Systems Wars (not ALL. I have met some reasonable lemmings) say that 360/PC games should be counted as exclusive. OK, that's cool with me. I could care less. BUT then they turn around and say "lulz, ur game is multi epic fail rofl" about PS3/PC games. They argue that "as long as it's not on the other console, it should be considered exclusive" for there own console, but when it comes to Ps3 and PC it's automatically multiplat. That's called hypocrasy, and far to many people (not all) on System's Wars have it. If you guys want to count 360/PC games as exclusives, cool beans. But if you guys do that you have to do the same for every other console that shares a game with the PC. That being said, I believe that as long as I am able to play it on another console without having to buy the console it was made for that it should not be counted as a exclusive.StewieZim101

I totally agree with you on that.

lol, someone makes a statement and everyone freaks out over semantics.

Redundancy, thy name is lemming.

Guess what?

hysam20241

what?

[QUOTE="hysam20241"]No because pc games can theorically run on hardware created by any manufacture. But a good deal of them can not run on an OS that is not microsoft.Vandalvideo

I just don't believe because you can get GeOW running on ubuntu via WINE, those games should not be associated with microsoft/windows.

WINE uses hooks and actual .dll files that were extracted directly from microsofts operating system, pieces of Microsofts software/code is still needed for these games to even execute under linux. The games would not function without these pieces of code.

A cheap analogy here would be like ripping out the cpu of the gamecube, placing it inside of an xbox 360 case and saying "look I got twilight princess running on xbox 360!, nintendo doesn't own zelda at all!!"

It is true that you don't have to BUY or install a windows operating system in order to get GeOW running on linux, but to say they games aren't made for a microsoft platform/os is false because no matter what, those games still require actual microsoft code in one way or another.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="hysam20241"]No because pc games can theorically run on hardware created by any manufacture. But a good deal of them can not run on an OS that is not microsoft.out0v0rder

a 360 and ps3 can be played on a pc too (using an emulator). I know pc's are wonderful machine that can probably run anything if you have the right software but games like gears of war and halo are meant to be played on windows based pc's

[...] games like gears of war and halo are meant to be played on windows based pc's

hysam20241

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="hysam20241"]No because pc games can theorically run on hardware created by any manufacture. But a good deal of them can not run on an OS that is not microsoft.out0v0rder

I just don't believe because you can get GeOW running on ubuntu via WINE, those games should not be associated with microsoft/windows.

WINE uses hooks and actual .dll files that were extracted directly from microsofts operating system, pieces of Microsofts software/code is still needed for these games to even execute under linux. The games would not function without these pieces of code.

A cheap analogy here would be like ripping out the cpu of the gamecube, placing it inside of an xbox 360 case and saying "look I got twilight princess running on xbox 360!, nintendo doesn't own zelda at all!!"

It is true that you don't have to BUY or install a windows operating system in order to get GeOW running on linux, but to say they games aren't made for a microsoft platform/os is false because no matter what, those games still require actual microsoft code in one way or another.

Why do people complain about this? A console exclusive is a viable phrase that is factual if a game exists on console X and the PC. Not to mention while we game on PC, consoles, and handhelds they're related markets but not one and the same. A console exclusive has an effect, I know a portion of SW wants to never admit this b/c of some lame agenda.

[QUOTE="hysam20241"][...] games like gears of war and halo are meant to be played on windows based pc's

foxhound_fox

BECAUSE as i said before even wii, 360, ps3, ps2, xbox, and ps1 games can be played on the pc with the right software.

The reason why the term "console exclusive" is stupid is because it undermines the validity of the PC as a gaming platform. This is not console wars or company wars, nor is reality console wars. All gaming platforms are competing directly with each other... and if you can find a game on more than one platform, it is multiplatform. The only "exclusives" are those that exist on one platform only, no more, no less.

MS doesn't make money from games sold on PC and Sony doesn't make money from games sold on PC (and they only do if they publish the games). So treating a multiplatform game as "exclusive" because you don't own or use a PC to game is incredibly silly.

foxhound_fox

Nicely said! But I doubt fanboys will even consider this because they so frakking scared that a system will rape theirs, so therefore they exclude it in the comparison. Nothing is absolute, everything is relative, EVEN IF fanboys say the contrary.

PC gaming is dead, so who cares?IronBass

Do you see a BIGASS pile of dead bodies in your front door? If not, then YOU'RE dead wrong, fanboy wrong, blind wrong (+ whatever else that this implies). There are more PC gamers than X360, PS3 and Wii combined, so unless you see this planet's population go under 2 billion because of a nuclear strike or w/e, go spread your stalinist propaganda elsewhere.

what happened to the old good SYSTEM WARS, where Hermits vs Lems vs Cows vs Sheeps????

Isn't a hermit only play on his PC? a Lem with a xbox..you get the rest.

THe only thing you need to know here is, Manticore always win... and that's a FACT.

Inthe Lem vs Cow battle, Alan Wake & SC conviction can be play on x360 but not PS3= Lems win.

don't even bother with " but..I can playthem on my PC..!!">>> good for you, you've just been promoted to a manticore and no longer a true cow.

you can not represent the whole cow population...Cows still lose!! simple as that

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

The reason why the term "console exclusive" is stupid is because it undermines the validity of the PC as a gaming platform. This is not console wars or company wars, nor is reality console wars. All gaming platforms are competing directly with each other... and if you can find a game on more than one platform, it is multiplatform. The only "exclusives" are those that exist on one platform only, no more, no less.

MS doesn't make money from games sold on PC and Sony doesn't make money from games sold on PC (and they only do if they publish the games). So treating a multiplatform game as "exclusive" because you don't own or use a PC to game is incredibly silly.

Hanass

Nicely said! But I doubt fanboys will even consider this because they so frakking scared that a system will rape theirs, so therefore they exclude it in the comparison. Nothing is absolute, everything is relative, EVEN IF fanboys say the contrary.

That is precisely why a list of exclusives doesn't mean anything. The failure in this argument is the presumption thatexclusives are primarily what distinguish one from another and that is often not the case. Exclusive differentiates one from all others....not one from another. So, I agree with the SW definition of exclusive....it just doesn't mean much.

If I want to buy a car and I am considering a Honda or a Ford, and I want/value a feature...say GPS...then if one has GPS and the other doesn't, that car has an advantage. One relative to the other. Just because a Porsche also has GPS doesn't suddently mean that Honda vs Ford relative comparison is now somehow invalid. One still has the advantage relative to ther other, regardless of what a 3rdor 4th option brings.

Thus exclusive is a sound concept, it just doesn't necessarily mean much, because total game library is what matters and is the only sound basis of relative comparison. Which is how we humans actually make decisions.

Because the types of gamers are different. I mean should we count PS3/360 games as exclusive since they aren't on Wii or PC?

BECAUSE as i said before even wii, 360, ps3, ps2, xbox, and ps1 games can be played on the pc with the right software.

hysam20241

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[QUOTE="hysam20241"][...] games like gears of war and halo are meant to be played on windows based pc's

hysam20241

BECAUSE as i said before even wii, 360, ps3, ps2, xbox, and ps1 games can be played on the pc with the right software.

With the right software, you can play retro console games on your PSP. I guess that means that PSP doesn't count as it's own platform either.

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
And? How does that change the fact that you can play them without Windows? PC's are not a Microsoft platform... and that's the only way a PC/360 game could be considered "exclusive."

Dictionary defintion: "single or sole: i.e. the exclusive means of communication between two places."

Dragonblade01

BECAUSE as i said before even wii, 360, ps3, ps2, xbox, and ps1 games can be played on the pc with the right software.

With the right software, you can play retro console games on your PSP. I guess that means that PSP doesn't count as it's own platform either.

With his logic yes. If you read his post he said that it is possible to play microsoft published games on another operating system. I Basically said that if you use that logic a pc can also play any console game (illegally) with the right software.

I might aswell just post this LINK

"this has caused many lengthy arguments over the past several months and there's really been no reason for it. this is a video game website. it covers console games and pc games. the title of the forum is system wars...not console wars. the pc has just as much right to be included as any console. because this forum was designed with the intention of including the pc, saying otherwise could count as trolling or even off topic posting and you can be moderated for such."

"If you believe that this is a console versus console board then you have been mistaken"

Systems include PC, 360, PS3, Wii, DS, PSP etc etc. Each system is seperate, meaning if its on 2 of them then its multiplatform.

EVOLV3

as true today as when it was first posted.

But why can't we use it in here? It makes no sense. Hell, there are even a couple PS3/PC games coming out, and I sure as hell wouldn't mind if the cows came calling in saying "console exclusive!"

Now I'm just trying to find the preview where gamespot used it. It's a new preview from E3, too.

iammason

Kutaragi: "PS3 A 'Computer', Not A Console"

:P

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=9642

The main debate in System Wars is PS3 vs. Xbox 360. If we compare these directly then we should include console exclusives, because when someone has to choose between a Ps3 and a X360, console exclusives may affect his decision.

Because it's a pointless term, just as pointless as saying black box exclusive. PC is a gaming platform, and attempting to exclude it is just cherry picking what you consider.DerekLoffin

Does it really matter that much to you?

Chutebox