Gamespot uses the term "console exclusive"....

The real power of an exclusive: Forcing a consumer to buy a platform he/she otherwise would not have. This power = Money and Install base.

The power of "console exclusive": The belief that you want some sort of system wars arguement. This power = Nothing that really matters to anyone else.

I would just like to point out Sony does it also i.e FF14 the man even went up on stage and called it exclusive just like Microsoft does

I would just like to point out Sony does it also i.e FF14 the man even went up on stage and called it exclusive just like Microsoft does

Tactis

MS called MGS: Rising a 360 exclusive, even though it's coming to PS3 & PC.

The real power of an exclusive: Forcing a consumer to buy a platform he/she otherwise would not have. This power = Money and Install base.

The power of "console exclusive": The belief that you want some sort of system wars arguement. This power = Nothing that really matters to anyone else.

AntiType

Pls don't pretend that SW definition of exclusive extends into the real world. If you are not interested in certain gaming platforms, then which games are also on those paltforms is irrelevant to the buying decision. In the real world, it is total game library vs total game library which matters, not just exclusives.

The SW definition of exclusive is designed to keep all platforms equal on this board as noted in the quote above. It is not designed to reflect real world consumer behaviour.

Because it's a pointless term, just as pointless as saying black box exclusive. PC is a gaming platform, and attempting to exclude it is just cherry picking what you consider.DerekLoffin

I agree with this statement.

Excluding one system (that is blatently involved in "System" Wars) is silly.

Why do people complain about this? A console exclusive is a viable phrase that is factual if a game exists on console X and the PC. Not to mention while we game on PC, consoles, and handhelds they're related markets but not one and the same. A console exclusive has an effect, I know a portion of SW wants to never admit this b/c of some lame agenda.

-RPGamer-

Because it's a pointless term, just as pointless as saying black box exclusive. PC is a gaming platform, and attempting to exclude it is just cherry picking what you consider.DerekLoffin

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]Because it's a pointless term, just as pointless as saying black box exclusive. PC is a gaming platform, and attempting to exclude it is just cherry picking what you consider.stiltzsy

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Some of the responses here are crazy. So when Sony fans FOLLOW THE RULES and bring up the fact that ME, Alan Wake and many other games are on the PC they are somehow hiding behind it. Yet MS fans don't see how they SELECTIVELY ignore the fact that people can play these so called "exclusives" on another system. They somehow find a way to IGNORE a system because it benefits them and still look down at Sony fans for bringing up the rules. Screw it I will invent a new term, its called "FANBOY EXCLUSIVE" and what that means is whatever systems I own, ALL of their games are officially exclusive now because I don't own another system to play them. Javy03

No logical sense.

It always surprised me that the term console exclusive isn't/wasn't supposed to be used by SW dogma. I mean if there's only one console that has a certain game, isn't it obvious to consider that game a console exclusive to that console. The alternative would be to say that it isn't a console exclusive when it's on pc, but that would imply that the pc is a console too, and that's just plain wrong.

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]Because it's a pointless term, just as pointless as saying black box exclusive. PC is a gaming platform, and attempting to exclude it is just cherry picking what you consider.iammason

[QUOTE="AntiType"]

The real power of an exclusive: Forcing a consumer to buy a platform he/she otherwise would not have. This power = Money and Install base.

The power of "console exclusive": The belief that you want some sort of system wars arguement. This power = Nothing that really matters to anyone else.

Pls don't pretend that SW definition of exclusive extends into the real world. If you are not interested in certain gaming platforms, then which games are also on those paltforms is irrelevant to the buying decision. In the real world, it is total game library vs total game library which matters, not just exclusives.

The SW definition of exclusive is designed to keep all platforms equal on this board as noted in the quote above. It is not designed to reflect real world consumer behaviour.

It always surprised me that the term console exclusive isn't/wasn't supposed to be used by SW dogma. I mean if there's only one console that has a certain game, isn't it obvious to consider that game a console exclusive to that console. The alternative would be to say that it isn't a console exclusive when it's on pc, but that would imply that the pc is a console too, and that's just plain wrong.

NielsNL

excluding the PC on the simple basis that it is not a console, even though the games are equivalent, is just playing with semantics. What bearing does the fact that it is or isnt a console have with the fact that its the same game, on more than one platform?

Why do people complain about this? A console exclusive is a viable phrase that is factual if a game exists on console X and the PC. Not to mention while we game on PC, consoles, and handhelds they're related markets but not one and the same. A console exclusive has an effect, I know a portion of SW wants to never admit this b/c of some lame agenda.

-RPGamer-

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[QUOTE="AntiType"]

The real power of an exclusive: Forcing a consumer to buy a platform he/she otherwise would not have. This power = Money and Install base.

The power of "console exclusive": The belief that you want some sort of system wars arguement. This power = Nothing that really matters to anyone else.

Javy03

Pls don't pretend that SW definition of exclusive extends into the real world. If you are not interested in certain gaming platforms, then which games are also on those paltforms is irrelevant to the buying decision. In the real world, it is total game library vs total game library which matters, not just exclusives.

The SW definition of exclusive is designed to keep all platforms equal on this board as noted in the quote above. It is not designed to reflect real world consumer behaviour.

You are correct of course. But I did not say that the games were the only factor. There are many factors and you have hit on a lot of them and I agree with you about friends and word of mouth being important.

But, when you are comparing games the only reasonably objective criteria is total game library. Whether any individual considers them all is irrelevant. It is no different than a list of exclusives with every genre...not everyone likes every genre or every game....but every exclusive makes the list. The list is what you can choose from in theory...choose what you like.

Two common threads are:

The 360 is way better than the PS3 or vice versa. Here's my list of games that proves it. Ughhh. A, B, E, and G are multiplat and don't count...Lolz. Loser. Only exclusives count. Therefore my console is actually better than yours. - Of course, the logic of that is deeply flawed as one has not been proven better than the other. Instead what has been proven is PC+360 > PS3 or PC+PS3 > 360.

Or, I am thinking of buying a PCPS360Wii....which is better? The first question should be do you own or plan on owning any other systems? The answer and therefore importance of multiplats vs exclusives will vary greatly depending upon the result of the first question.

I have no problem with SW exclusives. It keeps everyone in the game :) But I do have a problem with the flawed logic that exclusives areall that matters in assessing the game library. That is not true, and for many people multiplats can make the difference.

so what i've gathered from this thread, which is still undecided.

it is either exclusive if it is on one system only.
or
it is exclusive on a bunch of platforms as long as it's not on one or more of the consoles.

maybe someone should make a poll to officially settle it.

either way pc wins with exclusives, so i'm not sure the point of arguing this.

Any SW moderator will tell you this is System Wars, not Console Wars.

Attempts to exclude PC in order to count cross platform games as exclusives is just pathetic. Anyone who tries it should be rightfully mocked, because clearly they are so insecure about their platforms exclusive list they need to bloat it artificially.

AnnoyedDragon

You are correct of course. But I did not say that the games were the only factor. There are many factors and you have hit on a lot of them and I agree with you about friends and word of mouth being important.

But, when you are comparing games the only reasonably objective criteria is total game library. Whether any individual considers them all is irrelevant. It is no different than a list of exclusives with every genre...not everyone likes every genre or every game....but every exclusive makes the list. The list is what you can choose from in theory...choose what you like.

Two common threads are:

The 360 is way better than the PS3 or vice versa. Here's my list of games that proves it. Ughhh. A, B, E, and G are multiplat and don't count...Lolz. Loser. Only exclusives count. Therefore my console is actually better than yours. - Of course, the logic of that is deeply flawed as one has not been proven better than the other. Instead what has been proven is PC+360 > PS3 or PC+PS3 > 360.

Or, I am thinking of buying a PCPS360Wii....which is better? The first question should be do you own or plan on owning any other systems? The answer and therefore importance of multiplats vs exclusives will vary greatly depending upon the result of the first question.

I have no problem with SW exclusives. It keeps everyone in the game :) But I do have a problem with the flawed logic that exclusives areall that matters in assessing the game library. That is not true, and for many people multiplats can make the difference.

SUD123456

I agree but I think the real problem is that in SW we are trying to fool ourselves into thinking that we can logically set rules and regulations to a topic that is COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE. In the end all of the PS3 vs 360 bickering hasn't explained how the Wii is winning. AAA and AA ownage hasn't helped the PS3 or 360 rise above the Wii.

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]Because it's a pointless term, just as pointless as saying black box exclusive. PC is a gaming platform, and attempting to exclude it is just cherry picking what you consider.stiltzsy

And comparing an MP3 player to an iPhone is perfectly valid since the iPhone can do anything an MP3 player can do, but better, and can do more. Same goes for PC vs consoles.

Seriously, why are people SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO afraid of including PC in their discussion threads? It's not like PC is gonna destroy them...

Heck, why would anyone care?

Heck, why would anyone care?

BaraChat

Ignoring PC would be like calculating the average population per country on Earth while excluding China, India, USA, Japan. Yep, the results will be very conclusive!

Do have you people claiming something can be on two different systems be "exclusive" to a console have any idea what the word exclusive means? I mean honestly: 1. not admitting of something else; incompatible: mutually exclusive plans of action. 2. omitting from consideration or account (often fol. by of): a profit of ten percent, exclusive of taxes. 3. limited to the object or objects designated: exclusive attention to business. 4. shutting out all others from a part or share: an exclusive right to film the novel. 5. fashionable; stylish: to patronize only the most exclusive designers. 6. charging comparatively high prices; expensive: exclusive shops. 7. noting that in which NO others have a share: exclusive information.8. single or sole: the exclusive means of communication between two places. 9. disposed to resist the admission of outsiders to association, intimacy, etc.: an exclusive circle of intimate friends. 10. admitting only members of a socially restricted or very carefully selected group: an exclusive club. 11. excluding or tending to exclude, as from use or possession: exclusive laws. 12. Grammar. (of the first person plural) excluding the person or persons spoken to, as we in We'll see you later. Compare inclusive (def. 4 Where the heck does it say more than one? Nearly all the definitions are about SOLE ownership. Honestly SW makes people ridiculous. Exclusive = ONE It's not rocket science people. If its on any other system/console its NO LONGER EXCLUSIVE Why do people need the simplest things spelled out for them?Ryuuichi009

what hermit need to understand is lemmings dont want to exclude pc of system war , they want to claim ownage on cow .legol1

[QUOTE="legol1"]what hermit need to understand is lemmings dont want to exclude pc of system war , they want to claim ownage on cow .GundamGuy0

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Why do people complain about this? A console exclusive is a viable phrase that is factual if a game exists on console X and the PC. Not to mention while we game on PC, consoles, and handhelds they're related markets but not one and the same. A console exclusive has an effect, I know a portion of SW wants to never admit this b/c of some lame agenda.

The_Game21x

what hermit need to understand is lemmings dont want to exclude pc of system war , they want to claim ownage on cow .legol1

this is not a rule its a fact pc 360 games arent available on ps3 . legol1

[QUOTE="legol1"]what hermit need to understand is lemmings dont want to exclude pc of system war , they want to claim ownage on cow .LongZhiZi

[QUOTE="LongZhiZi"][QUOTE="legol1"]what hermit need to understand is lemmings dont want to exclude pc of system war , they want to claim ownage on cow .legol1

Did the TC ever get around to posting gamespot using the term console exclusive?

[QUOTE="legol1"] this is not a rule its a fact pc 360 games arent available on ps3 . foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="legol1"] this is not a rule its a fact pc 360 games arent available on ps3 . legol1

good for you, console exclusives still dont exist, get over it.

Sorry but that term would be completely irrelevant for majority of the users like me who own a reasonably good gaming PC along with a console.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Why do people complain about this? A console exclusive is a viable phrase that is factual if a game exists on console X and the PC. Not to mention while we game on PC, consoles, and handhelds they're related markets but not one and the same. A console exclusive has an effect, I know a portion of SW wants to never admit this b/c of some lame agenda.

LongZhiZi

There's nothing logical about saying the console exclusivity has no play in the console market. Not all gamers consider PC as a gamign platform, end of story. Yes people here do, we're more than likely some of the most dedicated (maybe to a fault) gamers, but that does not mean we are the norm.

I don't care what consoles you own or do not own, that information that is one example of millions of different gamers. Further more I could care less what a company has convinced you to do, I made my statements console neutral for a reason. :|

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="legol1"] this is not a rule its a fact pc 360 games arent available on ps3 . legol1

The simple fact is, if a game is available on multiple platforms, neither platform can use it as "ownage" because nobody is limited to one system. Everyone has the choice to own any system, so they don't have to play it on said platform.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Why do people complain about this? A console exclusive is a viable phrase that is factual if a game exists on console X and the PC. Not to mention while we game on PC, consoles, and handhelds they're related markets but not one and the same. A console exclusive has an effect, I know a portion of SW wants to never admit this b/c of some lame agenda.

The_Game21x

Exactly, a few Best Buy stores in my area are a good example. The consoles are all in one section, while the PC content is in an entriely different side of the store.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Why do people complain about this? A console exclusive is a viable phrase that is factual if a game exists on console X and the PC. Not to mention while we game on PC, consoles, and handhelds they're related markets but not one and the same. A console exclusive has an effect, I know a portion of SW wants to never admit this b/c of some lame agenda.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Why do people complain about this? A console exclusive is a viable phrase that is factual if a game exists on console X and the PC. Not to mention while we game on PC, consoles, and handhelds they're related markets but not one and the same. A console exclusive has an effect, I know a portion of SW wants to never admit this b/c of some lame agenda.

-RPGamer-

Exactly, a few Best Buy stores in my area are a good example. The consoles are all in one section, while the PC content is in an entriely different side of the store.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"] This is pretty much how I feel on the matter. If people really think that the idea of a "console exclusive" is one that doesn't exist outside of System Wars, those people are sorely mistaken. One trip into the average retailer will show you that they consider the PC and console markets almost completely separate from one another. The fact that gaming websites, as well as executives from both Sony and Microsoft, use the term "console exclusive" is more proof in and of itself. jonnyt61

Exactly, a few Best Buy stores in my area are a good example. The consoles are all in one section, while the PC content is in an entriely different side of the store.

I've been here since 2001, I know how it works. I consider it a lame agenda to not realize that in the real world a console exclusive title is a viable factor. There is absolutely no reason to pretend that real market scenarios don't existhere on this forum.

I don't need to follow some ideology here that I don't agree with, I never have and I won't start now.

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Exactly, a few Best Buy stores in my area are a good example. The consoles are all in one section, while the PC content is in an entriely different side of the store.

-RPGamer-

I've been here since 2001, I know how it works. I consider it a lame agenda to not realize that in the real world a console exclusive title is a viable factor. There is absolutely no reason to pretend that real market scenarios here on this forum.

I don't need to follow some ideology here that I don't agree with, I never have and I won't start now.

[QUOTE="LongZhiZi"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Why do people complain about this? A console exclusive is a viable phrase that is factual if a game exists on console X and the PC. Not to mention while we game on PC, consoles, and handhelds they're related markets but not one and the same. A console exclusive has an effect, I know a portion of SW wants to never admit this b/c of some lame agenda.

-RPGamer-

There's nothing logical about saying the console exclusivity has no play in the console market. Not all gamers consider PC as a gamign platform, end of story. Yes people here do, we're more than likely some of the most dedicated (maybe to a fault) gamers, but that does not mean we are the norm.

I don't care what consoles you own or do not own, that information that is one example of millions of different gamers. Further more I could care less what a company has convinced you to do, I made my statements console neutral for a reason. :|

[QUOTE="Ryuuichi009"]Do have you people claiming something can be on two different systems be "exclusive" to a console have any idea what the word exclusive means? I mean honestly: 1. not admitting of something else; incompatible: mutually exclusive plans of action. 2. omitting from consideration or account (often fol. by of): a profit of ten percent, exclusive of taxes. 3. limited to the object or objects designated: exclusive attention to business. 4. shutting out all others from a part or share: an exclusive right to film the novel. 5. fashionable; stylish: to patronize only the most exclusive designers. 6. charging comparatively high prices; expensive: exclusive shops. 7. noting that in which NO others have a share: exclusive information.8. single or sole: the exclusive means of communication between two places. 9. disposed to resist the admission of outsiders to association, intimacy, etc.: an exclusive circle of intimate friends. 10. admitting only members of a socially restricted or very carefully selected group: an exclusive club. 11. excluding or tending to exclude, as from use or possession: exclusive laws. 12. Grammar. (of the first person plural) excluding the person or persons spoken to, as we in We'll see you later. Compare inclusive (def. 4 Where the heck does it say more than one? Nearly all the definitions are about SOLE ownership. Honestly SW makes people ridiculous. Exclusive = ONE It's not rocket science people. If its on any other system/console its NO LONGER EXCLUSIVE Why do people need the simplest things spelled out for them?cainetao11

*facepalm* You do realize all definitions don't fit with the word in the sense you're using it right? You're talking about an exclusive game. I.E it shouldn't be on any other SYSTEM if its on another SYSTEM its no longer exclusive. What is so hard to understand about that? Why is their this need for people to warp words around to fit their purposes?

Also that club is exclusive to white people. That's a group. A SOLE GROUP. It doesn't include asians, blacks, hispanics. It only includes those who are consider "white" that includes groups but to the club their a single entity.