Gamespot uses the term "console exclusive"....

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Why do people complain about this? A console exclusive is a viable phrase that is factual if a game exists on console X and the PC. Not to mention while we game on PC, consoles, and handhelds they're related markets but not one and the same. A console exclusive has an effect, I know a portion of SW wants to never admit this b/c of some lame agenda.

-RPGamer-

Exactly, a few Best Buy stores in my area are a good example. The consoles are all in one section, while the PC content is in an entriely different side of the store.

My Best Buy has all of their videogames in the same section. PS3/PSP rows, 360 rows, Wii/DS rows and PC rows.

Technically fine. But this is the english language and technically doesn't equal absolute truth all over. The fact that the members of the warring factions use this term means it has weight and validity to them. And they have weight and validity in their "war" because they're in it. They are the front lines. We are the prize. I go with the SW way as it's not exclusive here, but not because it's a fact everywhere. It simply isn't.cainetao11

So, you don't follow the rules, good for you. Now please tell me why everyone else shouldn't?jonnyt61

What rules? The made up ones?I know PC exists, I know consoles exist, and yes they can be compared. That does not mean that we can't take viable factors like what we're discussing here and consider them.

I keep forgetting all the fanboy rage that blinds the common sense here in system wars. -_-

My Best Buy has all of their videogames in the same section. PS3/PSP rows, 360 rows, Wii/DS rows and PC rows.

STRETCH-E

That's fine the ones in my area do not, it was merely an example.

this is in fact realy simple if a game is on pc 360 cow are angry if a game is on ps3 360 than hermit are angry 2 faction against 1 .this is the truth of system war .legol1

[QUOTE="cainetao11"]Technically fine. But this is the english language and technically doesn't equal absolute truth all over. The fact that the members of the warring factions use this term means it has weight and validity to them. And they have weight and validity in their "war" because they're in it. They are the front lines. We are the prize. I go with the SW way as it's not exclusive here, but not because it's a fact everywhere. It simply isn't.anshul89

The console part wasn't intended at you- just to add to the main discussion. It highlights why "console exclusive" means nothing in the real world- they're not compelling reasons to pick up a 360. Infamous maybe is for someone on the PS3, but Alan Wake doesn't force me to buy a 360. So because some people are close minded and can't accept the fact that the PC plays games, we should somehow disregard it for those people? Well I declare the 360 a media center and not a gaming system, so therefore it's not part of the console wars. Heck, you could eliminate any system by that standard- the Wii is too weak to be counted as a current gen system, so we don't need to count that. The PS3 really is just a gussied up Blu Ray player, so we can exclude that (and it can be used as a PC). The 360 is just a home entertainment device like a settop box, so exclude that. The PC is too multipurpose to be considered a player in system wars, so we can exclude that. I've single-handedly ended system wars because I found reasons to exclude them all. And to drop some of the sarcasm, your assertion that some gamers would exclude the PC is one that can't be backed up with any evidence. How many gamers do this? Is it a majority? Until we know that kind of information, it's hard to take your speculation seriously. Fortunately you made my point- people here do consider the PC a system. And since we're here discussing this topic, you've accepted that the PC is a platform for gaming. Therefore, all those 360/PC games are just multiplats. You're free to create your own console wars board where you can better represent society and exclude the PC if you'd like.LongZhiZi

It's not that people don't accept PC can play games, there exist people that do not want or think they know how to play games ona PC. There are many console only gamers, why is this so difficult for people to understand? I'm not saying the PC doesn't exist, nor am I saying that PC and consoles don't compete. I'm saying both sides exist, it's not black and white like many of you here attempt to make it out to be. You're welcome to join me in reality.

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"] So, you don't follow the rules, good for you. Now please tell me why everyone else shouldn't?-RPGamer-

What rules? The made up ones?I know PC exists, I know consoles exist, and yes they can be compared. That does not mean that we can't take viable factors like what we're discussing here and consider them.

This should tell you

Claiming a console exclusive is essentially pretending the PC doesn't exist for that persons arguement in favor of their system. As stated in that thread, which, obviously is mod approved, excluding the PC from being included, can be considered off-topic.

Standing by console exclusive, is basically saying you don't agree with the PC being included in that arguement.

lol at lemmings what im seeing is with out pc/360 "exclusive" the 360 is nothing lol.

if lemmings had any pride they would accept that the pc is a gaming platform and just end the argument.

if i can play a game on another system even if that other system is a calculater it is not exclusive

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"] So, you don't follow the rules, good for you. Now please tell me why everyone else shouldn't?jonnyt61

What rules? The made up ones?I know PC exists, I know consoles exist, and yes they can be compared. That does not mean that we can't take viable factors like what we're discussing here and consider them.

This should tell you

Claiming a console exclusive is essentially pretending the PC doesn't exist for that persons arguement in favor of their system. As stated in that thread, which, obviously is mod approved, excluding the PC from being included, can be considered off-topic.

Standing by console exclusive, is basically saying you don't agree with the PC being included in that arguement.

No I know the PC exists, the phrase console exclusive is a factual phrase for some games. I'm not saying that for some gamers the console exclusive doesn't matter. I'm saying that for some gamers it does, this is reality. If saying something that is a viable factor in a real life scenario is trolling than I have an issue with that type of moderation.

I don't have a favor on systems, I love PC gaming. You're another person here who thinks everything is black and white, and I'm saying that you can consider both.

It's not that people don't accept PC can play games, there exist people that do not want or think they know how to play games ona PC. There are many console only gamers, why is this so difficult for people to understand? I'm not saying the PC doesn't exist, nor am I saying that PC and consoles don't compete. I'm saying both sides exist, it's not black and white like many of you here attempt to make it out to be. You're welcome to join me in reality.

-RPGamer-

It's not that people don't accept PC can play games, there exist people that do not want or think they know how to play games ona PC. There are many console only gamers, why is this so difficult for people to understand? I'm not saying the PC doesn't exist, nor am I saying that PC and consoles don't compete. I'm saying both sides exist, it's not black and white like many of you here attempt to make it out to be. You're welcome to join me in reality.

-RPGamer-

I dont really believe that your argument holds much merit simply because its based on a flawed premise and/or the ignorance of the user.

Why are there console only gamers? Sometimes theres good reason, some times the reasons arent very good. But that really doesnt have any bearing on the fact that i can walk into a store, pick up a PC or a console game, play it once i get home, and have essentially the same gamplay experience.

Their reasons for not choosing a PC, regardless of their validity, does not change that. Giving validity to "console exclusive" just gives an excuse to create a seperation where none has to exist.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

It's not that people don't accept PC can play games, there exist people that do not want or think they know how to play games ona PC. There are many console only gamers, why is this so difficult for people to understand? I'm not saying the PC doesn't exist, nor am I saying that PC and consoles don't compete. I'm saying both sides exist, it's not black and white like many of you here attempt to make it out to be. You're welcome to join me in reality.

I dont really believe that your argument holds much merit simply because its based on a flawed premise and/or the ignorance of the user.

Why are there console only gamers? Sometimes theres good reason, some times the reasons arent very good. But that really doesnt have any bearing on the fact that i can walk into a store, pick up a PC or a console game, play it once i get home, and have essentially the same gamplay experience.

Their reasons for not choosing a PC, regardless of their validity, does not change that. Giving validity to "console exclusive" just gives an excuse to create a seperation where none has to exist.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]It's not that people don't accept PC can play games, there exist people that do not want or think they know how to play games ona PC. There are many console only gamers, why is this so difficult for people to understand? I'm not saying the PC doesn't exist, nor am I saying that PC and consoles don't compete. I'm saying both sides exist, it's not black and white like many of you here attempt to make it out to be. You're welcome to join me in reality.

[QUOTE="legol1"]this is in fact realy simple if a game is on pc 360 cow are angry if a game is on ps3 360 than hermit are angry 2 faction against 1 .this is the truth of system war .blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

It's not that people don't accept PC can play games, there exist people that do not want or think they know how to play games ona PC. There are many console only gamers, why is this so difficult for people to understand? I'm not saying the PC doesn't exist, nor am I saying that PC and consoles don't compete. I'm saying both sides exist, it's not black and white like many of you here attempt to make it out to be. You're welcome to join me in reality.

XaosII

I dont really believe that your argument holds much merit simply because its based on a flawed premise and/or the ignorance of the user.

Why are there console only gamers? Sometimes theres good reason, some times the reasons arent very good. But that really doesnt have any bearing on the fact that i can walk into a store, pick up a PC or a console game, play it once i get home, and have essentially the same gamplay experience.

Their reasons for not choosing a PC, regardless of their validity, does not change that. Giving validity to "console exclusive" just gives an excuse to create a seperation where none has to exist.

There aren't console exclusives. That isn't the problem.

The problem is that exclusives are not the only games in the game library, and multiplats can have as much influence as exclusives on purchase decisions. The endless battles over lists of exclusives are not accurate in assessing what the potential total game experience is on any system. Yet, the list of exclusives is used over and over again as some form of ownage....my system is better than yours because I have more exclusives.....which is potentially the equivalent of saying my system is better because it has more games with white covers.

And therein lies the problem with exclusive.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="legol1"]this is in fact realy simple if a game is on pc 360 cow are angry if a game is on ps3 360 than hermit are angry 2 faction against 1 .this is the truth of system war .Javy03

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="LongZhiZi"] That "lame agenda," as you call it, is better known as logic. Again, the reason it's nonsense to refer to something as "console exclusive" is the fact that it's on multiple platforms. The ONLY console I don't own right now is the 360. Want to guess why? Because almost all of its "exclusives" wind up on PC or the PS3. Now, you might say, "but you could've just bought the 360 instead of the PS3 nad PC." But here's the real deal: I bought the PC for its exclusives, such as Crysis, Civilization series, Vampire the Masquerade- Bloodlines, and STALKER. And I find the multiplats on it to be superior. So the PC was a *must.* I bought the PS3 for its exclusives, like LittleBigPlanet, Valkyria Chronicles, Demon's Souls, Warhawk, and the Last Guardian. The PS3 was a *must.* I bought the Wii for its exclusives, like Wii Sports and various other Nintendo games. Plus my girlfriend wanted it. So the Wii was a *must.* I didn't buy the 360 because there's nothing left to compel me to purchase it. Why buy a 360 for Conviction since it's going to wind up on the PC? Or Alan Wake? You see, trying to argue PS3 vs 360 only is like arguing in a bubble. Theoretically you could, but in the real world, it doesn't work out that way. LIkewise, to say that gamers can only choose one platform to game on is only theoretical. MS has not convinced me to purchase a 360 with their exclusives.LongZhiZi

There's nothing logical about saying the console exclusivity has no play in the console market. Not all gamers consider PC as a gamign platform, end of story. Yes people here do, we're more than likely some of the most dedicated (maybe to a fault) gamers, but that does not mean we are the norm.

I don't care what consoles you own or do not own, that information that is one example of millions of different gamers. Further more I could care less what a company has convinced you to do, I made my statements console neutral for a reason. :|

HAHA looks like someone got owned! No wait, it's "some people", as in everybody here who is trying to justify the expression "console exclusive"

LOL....actually the hiding that is being done is by MS fanboys. They wanna sweep the PC under the carpet and pretend it doesn't exist to fluff up their game lists. The game on the 360 is the exact same one on the PC yet somehow people like you can justify selective comparisons. Sorry I still don't know how MS fans can look down at Sony fans for following the rules of SW. It's the same game on another platform, its multiplat, the hiding is being done by MS fanboys, hiding behind semantics.Javy03

The 360 can play any PC/360 title, therefor 360 owners don't need to involve the PC to play such a title. PS3 owners have to bring up the PC in order to discredit the titles, even though they are not on their system of choice.

If 360 owners wanted to indeed act like the PC didn't exist then there would be no need for the word "console exclusive" it would simply be an exclusive game.

[QUOTE="Javy03"] LOL....actually the hiding that is being done is by MS fanboys. They wanna sweep the PC under the carpet and pretend it doesn't exist to fluff up their game lists. The game on the 360 is the exact same one on the PC yet somehow people like you can justify selective comparisons. Sorry I still don't know how MS fans can look down at Sony fans for following the rules of SW. It's the same game on another platform, its multiplat, the hiding is being done by MS fanboys, hiding behind semantics.opex07

The 360 can play any PC/360 title, therefor 360 owners don't need to involve the PC to play such a title. PS3 owners have to bring up the PC in order to discredit the titles, even though they are not on their system of choice.

If 360 owners wanted to indeed act like the PC didn't exist then there would be no need for the word "console exclusive" it would simply be an exclusive game.

Except that only saying "exclusive" would arouse far too much supicion, so it's slightly more subtle to say "console exclusive".

The best hypocrites are some hermits

Thread A: PC rocks cause I get all these exclusives, plus I get all the best 360 games as multiplats. LOL. I've got the best library by far. You all suck.

Thread B: Whatchya talking 'bout? Oh, PS3 vs 360. Only exclusives count. Lulz.

Thread A translation: my total game library is the best.

Thread B translation: only exclusives matter.

There's nothing wrong with the SW exclusive definition. It just doesn't matter much.

My system has more exclusives. Yippee. My system has more games with white covers. Yippee. They both conform to a rule/definition. Neither necessarily says how good the potential game experience is on one system relative to another.

I think that though no separation has to exist, but it does for many. For that reason, for the reality on the ground rather than the technical possibilities, I think that "console exclusive" is a valid term. If a restaurant further defines itself by saying "vegetarian restaurant", would this be a problem? For some, vegetarianism is a religious enforced thing, but for many its a pure choice. They COULD eat meat, but they don't for their own personal reasons. This alone makes it valid to call it a vegetarian restaurant rather than just a restaurant. Why do consolites not get with the PC? Who the hell knows... but the fact that they don't makes console exclusive a meaningful term in their lives.dsmccracken

I think you are playing s semantics game here. Arguing over the semantics is a bit meaningless.

I could just as easily give the argument that a "vegetarian resturant" is a subset of a restaurant and is therefore a restaurant. A PS3 is a "console gaming platform" and a PC is a "computer gaming platform" but both are subsets of gaming platforms. A distinction exists, but that does not mean its no longer what it is. You can still go to a non vegetarian restaurant and order a salad.

But thats just toying with semantics.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]It's not that people don't accept PC can play games, there exist people that do not want or think they know how to play games ona PC. There are many console only gamers, why is this so difficult for people to understand? I'm not saying the PC doesn't exist, nor am I saying that PC and consoles don't compete. I'm saying both sides exist, it's not black and white like many of you here attempt to make it out to be. You're welcome to join me in reality.

agentfred

B/c I'm not just using the word "exclusive", I'm using the phrase "console exclusive". Exclusive in your example for the Xbox 360 (or any system) doesn't say what it's exclusive compared to.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

It's not that people don't accept PC can play games, there exist people that do not want or think they know how to play games ona PC. There are many console only gamers, why is this so difficult for people to understand? I'm not saying the PC doesn't exist, nor am I saying that PC and consoles don't compete. I'm saying both sides exist, it's not black and white like many of you here attempt to make it out to be. You're welcome to join me in reality.

XaosII

I dont really believe that your argument holds much merit simply because its based on a flawed premise and/or the ignorance of the user.

Why are there console only gamers? Sometimes theres good reason, some times the reasons arent very good. But that really doesnt have any bearing on the fact that i can walk into a store, pick up a PC or a console game, play it once i get home, and have essentially the same gamplay experience.

Their reasons for not choosing a PC, regardless of their validity, does not change that. Giving validity to "console exclusive" just gives an excuse to create a seperation where none has to exist.

So you're saying ignorance doesn't exist? Why does it matter if the demographic exists, when the fact is that it does. I know you can pick up either, I've already said that some gamers do this and make that descission.

Seperation exists, b/c the seperation is actually there (regradless of how the seperation was created).

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]I think that though no separation has to exist, but it does for many. For that reason, for the reality on the ground rather than the technical possibilities, I think that "console exclusive" is a valid term. If a restaurant further defines itself by saying "vegetarian restaurant", would this be a problem? For some, vegetarianism is a religious enforced thing, but for many its a pure choice. They COULD eat meat, but they don't for their own personal reasons. This alone makes it valid to call it a vegetarian restaurant rather than just a restaurant. Why do consolites not get with the PC? Who the hell knows... but the fact that they don't makes console exclusive a meaningful term in their lives.XaosII

I think you are playing s semantics game here. Arguing over the semantics is a bit meaningless.

I could just as easily give the argument that a "vegetarian resturant" is a subset of a restaurant and is therefore a restaurant. A PS3 is a "console gaming platform" and a PC is a "computer gaming platform" but both are subsets of gaming platforms. A distinction exists, but that does not mean its no longer what it is. You can still go to a non vegetarian restaurant and order a salad.

But thats just toying with semantics.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]It's not that people don't accept PC can play games, there exist people that do not want or think they know how to play games ona PC. There are many console only gamers, why is this so difficult for people to understand? I'm not saying the PC doesn't exist, nor am I saying that PC and consoles don't compete. I'm saying both sides exist, it's not black and white like many of you here attempt to make it out to be. You're welcome to join me in reality.

agentfred

What is the purpose of saying exclusive? What does it matter if a game is exclusive or not? This is the key to the discussion....not the definition of exclusive.

Pls respond without using the definition of exclusive. I already know the definition, and I already agree with it. I want to know what you think the point of exclsuive is...without a circular definitional discussion.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]I think that though no separation has to exist, but it does for many. For that reason, for the reality on the ground rather than the technical possibilities, I think that "console exclusive" is a valid term. If a restaurant further defines itself by saying "vegetarian restaurant", would this be a problem? For some, vegetarianism is a religious enforced thing, but for many its a pure choice. They COULD eat meat, but they don't for their own personal reasons. This alone makes it valid to call it a vegetarian restaurant rather than just a restaurant. Why do consolites not get with the PC? Who the hell knows... but the fact that they don't makes console exclusive a meaningful term in their lives.XaosII

I think you are playing s semantics game here. Arguing over the semantics is a bit meaningless.

I could just as easily give the argument that a "vegetarian resturant" is a subset of a restaurant and is therefore a restaurant. A PS3 is a "console gaming platform" and a PC is a "computer gaming platform" but both are subsets of gaming platforms. A distinction exists, but that does not mean its no longer what it is. You can still go to a non vegetarian restaurant and order a salad.

But thats just toying with semantics.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]. In the end, "console exclusive" is just language. It's not offensive or pejorative in any way. For the most part, most (not all) who have a problem with it are those who have agendas which are somehow threatened by the concept, and by the reprecussions of the adoption, of said language.Vandalvideo

Except that only saying "exclusive" would arouse far too much supicion, so it's slightly more subtle to say "console exclusive".

Hanass

suspicion from who, and of what? I'm not too sure what your trying to say.

There aren't console exclusives. That isn't the problem.

The problem is that exclusives are not the only games in the game library, and multiplats can have as much influence as exclusives on purchase decisions. The endless battles over lists of exclusives are not accurate in assessing what the potential total game experience is on any system. Yet, the list of exclusives is used over and over again as some form of ownage....my system is better than yours because I have more exclusives.....which is potentially the equivalent of saying my system is better because it has more games with white covers.

And therein lies the problem with exclusive.

SUD123456

I think you touching on a bit of a different issue that requires its own analysis.

I think you are ultimately asking "what is the value of X system?" I dont believe that we really have any kind of objective measurement or rubric to judge that definitively. We'll probably never get one. So we make fairly arbitrary rules to try and decide that. Is there a value to the wii's small size and easy portability in the event you want to bring it to a friends house? Absolutely. but just how much value does that hold? Alot for some, very little for others. How can we measure that?

At the very least, every person on this forum is very interested in gaming. We all value good games. We trust this site to make good judgments on declaring good games and bad games. Although we dont all always agree with their judgments, their values represent a quantitative measuring point. At that point we can create numerical comparative measurements. If we can compare one system to having more good games compared to another system that does not have as many good games, i think most us can agree that the system with more good games is the better system - since good games are what hold the most value for most of us in a system. Good exlcusive games help tilt that scale. since the same good game on two system just means +1 for both as opposed to +1 for one and not the other.

So i think there is merit in a list of good exlcusive games. Its not the only factor. But there arent many other factors that we have solid quantitative date that we can make a definitive comparison. Sales numbers, number of exclusive titles, and the price of the system are all easy things to compare and get straight answer. We cant do the same with more abstract values like frequency of disc switching, ease of portability, appeal of interface, hardware reliability, etc.

B/c I'm not just using the word "exclusive", I'm using the phrase "console exclusive". Exclusive in your example for the Xbox 360 (or any system) doesn't say what it's exclusive compared to.

-RPGamer-

Well, it's the same concept. The idea of classifying systems based on whether they are consoles is just as arbitrary and meaningless as the color of the system.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"] Yes, as well as cell phones, though in practice who among us would call a cell phone a console?Vandalvideo

If you guys want to be gungho about semantics, PCs are consoles.Vandalvideo

"The term "video game console" is used to distinguish a machine designed for consumers to buy and use solely for playing video games from a personal computer, which has many other functions, or arcade machines, which are designed for businesses that buy and then charge others to play."

And everyone knows that Wikipedia is always right. :P

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] If you guys want to be gungho about semantics, PCs are consoles.agentfred

"The term "video game console" is used to distinguish amachinedesigned forconsumersto buy and use solely for playing video games from apersonal computer, which has many other functions, orarcade machines, which are designed for businesses that buy and then charge others to play."

And everyone knows that Wikipedia is always right. :P

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"] The truth about the old concept of consoles is dead, I agree. But since most here talk as if it were still alive, we pretty much have to act likewise or every conversation will be fruitless.Vandalvideo

So you're saying ignorance doesn't exist? Why does it matter if the demographic exists, when the fact is that it does. I know you can pick up either, I've already said that some gamers do this and make that descission.

Seperation exists, b/c the seperation is actually there (regradless of how the seperation was created).

-RPGamer-

No, im saying that we should not continue to be enablers of ignorance by further giving weight to a seperation that does not exist.

The distinction is mostly semantics.

I was partially tempted to take your post, nearly verbatim, and replace a few words with "racism" and your statement would look so absurd as to be racial pro-segregation. But that would neither be fair to you or entirely topical.

If you guys want to be gungho about semantics, PCs are consoles.Vandalvideo

"The term "video game console" is used to distinguish amachinedesigned forconsumersto buy and use solely for playing video games from apersonal computer, which has many other functions, orarcade machines, which are designed for businesses that buy and then charge others to play."

And everyone knows that Wikipedia is always right. :P

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]So you're saying ignorance doesn't exist? Why does it matter if the demographic exists, when the fact is that it does. I know you can pick up either, I've already said that some gamers do this and make that descission.

Seperation exists, b/c the seperation is actually there (regradless of how the seperation was created).

No, im saying that we should not continue to be enablers of ignorance by further giving weight to a seperation that does not exist.

The distinction is mostly semantics.

I was partially tempted to take your post, nearly verbatim, and replace a few words with "racism" and your statement would look so absurd as to be racial pro-segregation. But that would neither be fair to you or entirely topical.

Here are your responses Cows: PC is a system, this is system wars Lems: Pc shouldn't count in system wars Sheep: Why do people just ignore us all the time Hermits: We are a system and have the greatest library of games/exclusives Logical answers: You would have a point if this was console wars, sadly it's not.bdum_pshhh

[QUOTE="agentfred"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Thats not what Oxford english Dictionary says; (also games console) a small machine for playing computerized video gamesVandalvideo

[QUOTE="Hanass"]

Except that only saying "exclusive" would arouse far too much supicion, so it's slightly more subtle to say "console exclusive".

opex07

suspicion from who, and of what? I'm not too sure what your trying to say.

From any rational person who is not a blind fanboy and who can accept that every system has a right to exist in a discussion in SW, no matter how afraid they are of getting owned.