Good-Bye Nintendo

[QUOTE="Dencore"]

Can someone please tell me how watered down PC ports and PC inferior shooters made by Western console developers *who have always sucked* are the way of the "gamer"?

No really someone please answer my question.

[QUOTE="IbukiNinja"]This post remind me alot of Foaming Panda. You just cushion the blow a little for the Wii fans to not feel hurt. Great Job. Like FP, I disagree wiith you. I see nothing wrong in Nintendo grabing a new audience of gamers. If you actually saw one of Reggie's powerpoint charts, the gaming industry in the past 6 months has risen 46% in the US, 42% in Europe, and 114% in Japan. 69% of that is from Nintendo. Gaming is becoming the forefront of entertainment beating out Movies, Music, and books. Most of these new gamers (casuals) will likely become hardcore gamers, and enjoy systems like the PC and the PS3 later down the road. You simple have to applaud Nintendo for expanding the market like they have.SecretPolice

Agreed.

Try again !

Are you suggesting that Halo and Gears are in the same league as Team Fortress, Red Orchestra, Deus Ex, System Shock, or CounterStrike?

:lol: Fanboys are hilarious. What's next Trusty Bell>Grandia?

[QUOTE="Michael85"]

haha, i love little rants like these. Yeah, Nintendo's hurting gaming. That's why they're bringing out all of their hardcore gamer titles all within 6 months of each other: because they hate us.

rofl.

Sairony

All? You mean like all ~3 of them? Take a look at 360 and the PS3 lists of "real" games and weep.

1. Yeah, I mean all 3 of them. I love 'em.

2. Can't weep for all the games I'll buy for my 360, that'd just be silly. Don't have to weep for all the PS3 exclusives that I'll miss, because I'm not interested enough to care.

Subrosian, you just seem angry. Think about what you're saying exactly.

You're on this whole cheesy "oh, goodbye, goodbye,,," for what? A lousy E3? It doesn't seem like you to be so impetuous.

I missed Nintendo's conference, so if there's something big I haven't heard about, fill me in. Because right now this seems too childish, especially coming from you.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

GUFU's aim isn't to be elitist...

[QUOTE="Sairony"][QUOTE="Michael85"]

haha, i love little rants like these. Yeah, Nintendo's hurting gaming. That's why they're bringing out all of their hardcore gamer titles all within 6 months of each other: because they hate us.

rofl.

Eponique

All? You mean like all ~3 of them? Take a look at 360 and the PS3 lists of "real" games and weep.

They've barely changed :| Unless you're talking about Viva Pinata: Party Animals...

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="Sairony"][QUOTE="Michael85"]

haha, i love little rants like these. Yeah, Nintendo's hurting gaming. That's why they're bringing out all of their hardcore gamer titles all within 6 months of each other: because they hate us.

rofl.

Echo13791

All? You mean like all ~3 of them? Take a look at 360 and the PS3 lists of "real" games and weep.

They've barely changed :| Unless you're talking about Viva Pinata: Party Animals...

Me too... But what new game announcements did they have? I've looked at list at their lists a thousands of times. And I've gotta say, the 360's is impressive. I couldn't be any less interested in the PS3's but whatever, it's opinion. And if I had the chance I'd buy 14 Wii Games and about 9 DS games by the end of they year.

It's called taste.

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="Sairony"][QUOTE="Michael85"]

haha, i love little rants like these. Yeah, Nintendo's hurting gaming. That's why they're bringing out all of their hardcore gamer titles all within 6 months of each other: because they hate us.

rofl.

Echo13791

All? You mean like all ~3 of them? Take a look at 360 and the PS3 lists of "real" games and weep.

They've barely changed :| Unless you're talking about Viva Pinata: Party Animals...

I do have to comment on your signature here:

100% SW gladiator. Be ye a fanboy, or be ye elitist GUFU scum?

GUFU's aim isn't to be elitist...

subrosian

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

I do have to comment on your signature here:

100% SW gladiator. Be ye a fanboy, or be ye elitist GUFU scum?

GUFU's aim isn't to be elitist...

Jandurin

Sony's conference was far from a letdown - they showcased games, they were humble, and they brought out Kojima to talk about his vision for Metal Gear Solid 4. They could not have done a better job of catering to the hardcore market. While they spent some time on the PSP redesign and a few of the "lesser focuses" - most of the Sony presentation revolved around their new online interface (HOME), and their upcoming games.

All in all it was refreshing. After the lackluster Microsoft press conference, and the disaster that was Nintendo's conference, Sony made me excited about *gaming* again. When Sony's conference was over, I wanted to pick up a controller and play - at the end of Nintendo's conference, I just wanted a stiff drink.
subrosian

Ohh the better of the 3 without a doubt... But far from a let down? Refreshing? Not quite from where I'm coming from.

The feeling of what I got from said conference was probably a reminder of games and products that had been announced for their systems since Big Bang itself and showing a lot of footage of games that won't even come out this year.

In all seriousness, most of their consference itself was horrible and absolutely boring as well, showing many parts of very little footage of again games that we knew about already. I could summarize most of Sonys showing as being the same as the microsoft one without counting with a few PSN titles, first party titles and of course Home. It's was almost the same as microsofts conference with probably the biggest difference on both of them being on two seperate shooters. And a MGS4 few minutes footage that imo was more then enough to find the Sonys conference the leader of the pack. Still... In the end... Nothing groundbreaking. Or anything that we did not expect or that much surprising in the first place.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Dencore"]

Can someone please tell me how watered down PC ports and PC inferior shooters made by Western console developers *who have always sucked* are the way of the "gamer"?

No really someone please answer my question.

[QUOTE="IbukiNinja"]This post remind me alot of Foaming Panda. You just cushion the blow a little for the Wii fans to not feel hurt. Great Job. Like FP, I disagree wiith you. I see nothing wrong in Nintendo grabing a new audience of gamers. If you actually saw one of Reggie's powerpoint charts, the gaming industry in the past 6 months has risen 46% in the US, 42% in Europe, and 114% in Japan. 69% of that is from Nintendo. Gaming is becoming the forefront of entertainment beating out Movies, Music, and books. Most of these new gamers (casuals) will likely become hardcore gamers, and enjoy systems like the PC and the PS3 later down the road. You simple have to applaud Nintendo for expanding the market like they have.Dencore

Agreed.

Try again !

Are you suggesting that Halo and Gears are in the same league as Team Fortress, Red Orchestra, Deus Ex, System Shock, or CounterStrike?

:lol: Fanboys are hilarious. What's next Trusty Bell>Grandia?

You like so many others who get proven wrong like to change the subject - silly rabbit -tricks are for kids !

You niether asked as I have not stated the games I listed were better then any other. You sir said that all we get is watered down ports from PC and I corrected very simply - the games I mentioned clearly are being ported TO the PC - okies !

You asked and I delivered, get over it !

I was only four minutes into the vid when I had to restart my computer. I don't think I'll be able to watch it at the moment.

I do have to comment on your signature here:

100% SW gladiator. Be ye a fanboy, or be ye elitist GUFU scum?

GUFU's aim isn't to be elitist...

subrosian

But most members I see definitelyare.

But that's just my way of saying I'm anti-GUFU. :)

This thread's getting boring :( And no, hardcore gamers aren't forgotten. I remember I had this in my clipboard for some reason:

Super Mario Galaxy
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbados' Treasure
Fire Emblem: Godess of Dawn
Mario Strikers: Charged
Trauma Centre: New Blood
Batallion Wars 2
Disaster: Day of Crisis
No More Heroes
Resident Evil: Umberella Chronicles
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers
Soul Calibur Legends
Dewy's Adventure

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

I do have to comment on your signature here:

100% SW gladiator. Be ye a fanboy, or be ye elitist GUFU scum?

GUFU's aim isn't to be elitist...

subrosian

Btw - my sig is from an old Matt Groening comic. I did add the GUFU, though.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

I do have to comment on your signature here:

100% SW gladiator. Be ye a fanboy, or be ye elitist GUFU scum?

GUFU's aim isn't to be elitist...

Jandurin

:lol: indeed. Seriously Tsung_Ze_Wind don't even bother... Hell the only thing that did interest in the conference was me actually thinking what the device in Wiifit could bring to gaming other then Wiifit.

Tho they didn't flood us with things we already know as much as the competition, still I would have preffered it :lol: ... Horrible a complete waste of time.

Edited: And them mostly talking about sales and the positive media that is embracing the Wii... Like I said above XD

You should publish this, seriously. I believe people should read this, because this is exactly how I feel, and I can't be the only one, can I? Is it so wrong to see the light for a moment and realise that the company you grew up with is changing? The fans will bash you, but only because they don't want to admit the truth. Neither do I, but at the moment it's pretty undeniable. We're beginning to be forgotten about.

""Games for everyone" doesn't mean you should stop making games for me."machine_B

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Sony's conference was far from a letdown - they showcased games, they were humble, and they brought out Kojima to talk about his vision for Metal Gear Solid 4. They could not have done a better job of catering to the hardcore market. While they spent some time on the PSP redesign and a few of the "lesser focuses" - most of the Sony presentation revolved around their new online interface (HOME), and their upcoming games.

All in all it was refreshing. After the lackluster Microsoft press conference, and the disaster that was Nintendo's conference, Sony made me excited about *gaming* again. When Sony's conference was over, I wanted to pick up a controller and play - at the end of Nintendo's conference, I just wanted a stiff drink.
StealthSting

Ohh the better of the 3 without a doubt... But far from a let down? Refreshing? Not quite from where I'm coming from.

The feeling of what I got from said conference was probably a reminder of games and products that had been announced for their systems since Big Bang itself and showing a lot of footage of games that won't even come out this year.

In all seriousness, most of their consference itself was horrible and absolutely boring as well, showing many parts of very little footage of again games that we knew about already. I could summarize most of Sonys showing as being the same as the microsoft one without counting with a few PSN titles, first party titles and of course Home. It's was almost the same as microsofts conference with probably the biggest difference on both of them being on two seperate shooters. And a MGS4 few minutes footage that imo was more then enough to find the Sonys conference the leader of the pack. Still... In the end... Nothing groundbreaking. Or anything that we did not expect or that much surprising in the first place.

No you are not hilarious at all ;)

You like so many others who get proven wrong like to change the subject - silly rabbit -tricks are for kids !

You niether asked as I have not stated the games I listed were better then any other. You sir said that all we get is watered down ports from PC and I corrected very simply - the games I mentioned clearly are being ported TO the PC - okies !

You asked and I delivered, get over it !

SecretPolice

Halo PC = 8.6 average

Halo 2 PC = 7.2 average

Wow talk about "quality" titles. :lol:

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Short but sweet - Halo 1,2: and 3 if PC gamers are lucky and now Gears are ports from 360 to PC ! That's enough right there to show what you have stated is false !

Try again !

Dencore

Are you suggesting that Halo and Gears are in the same league as Team Fortress, Red Orchestra, Deus Ex, System Shock, or CounterStrike?

:lol: Fanboys are hilarious. What's next Trusty Bell>Grandia?

You like so many others who get proven wrong like to change the subject - silly rabbit -tricks are for kids !

You niether asked as I have not stated the games I listed were better then any other. You sir said that all we get is watered down ports from PC and I corrected very simply - the games I mentioned clearly are being ported TO the PC - okies !

You asked and I delivered, get over it !

Halo PC = 8.6 average

Halo 2 PC = 7.2 average

Wow talk about "quality" titles. :lol:

[QUOTE="Michael85"]

haha, i love little rants like these. Yeah, Nintendo's hurting gaming. That's why they're bringing out all of their hardcore gamer titles all within 6 months of each other: because they hate us.

rofl.

Sairony

All? You mean like all ~3 of them? Take a look at 360 and the PS3 lists of "real" games and weep.

Nintendo did show charts specifically addressing the growth of 3rd party support for its systems. :?

Sony showed the same games as Microsoft as a tactic, I thought it was clever. MS showed off the system with multiplatform games, and then Sony showed that the same games were on their system. Kind of any "anything you can do I can do better, I can do anything better than you!" type of thing.

And, unfortunately, since these conferences do have to give out news to the "wall street journal" and "CNN" type journalists, it does seem like they all got bogged down in nasty power point presentations for their early parts.
subrosian

Meh I do somewhat agree. There are many 360 games finding there way out of the console in many ways and Sony can see that to its advantage. Still, I saw just as much exclusive stuff for their conference as Sony did.

Tho Sony had the upper hand in some of its new software for PSN the two first puzzle games looked to have a very interesting premise, not to mention another game that I can't remember its name that I actually found interesting and it was the only new game of the pack in the PS3 list...

wow this thread fails at life. from a business point of view Nintendo are doing the right thing...you see, it's not about pleasing hardcore gamers, its about reaching out to as many people as you can and making a profit Lol.

Great thread, and well done to the TC for nailing the issue on the head. I've been having doubts about Nintendo for a long time now, and E3 was just the final nail in the coffin. They've found their audience, and I strongly doubt anyone who visits Gamespot often is the audience they're catering for.

Nintendo were a great company, I was raised on them and I still think the SNES is the greatest system of all time. Unfortunately that was a long time ago and things have changed, not least the market the company aims for.

For me now, it's Microsoft vs Sony.

wow this thread fails at life. from a business point of view Nintendo are doing the right thing...you see, it's not about pleasing hardcore gamers, its about reaching out to as many people as you can and making a profit Lol.

XenoNinja

That's got nothing to do with this thread. As a gamer you should be more concerned with the games than the business side of things.

Legendary Post.

You articulated what other like-minded gamers have been feeling for some years now.

I too have ditched Nintendo simply because I lost interest in what they are doing, they simply were not for me anymore. People who don't acknowledge this change are completely blind. Those who claim that this change is nothing but good news for everyone is in denial. Although this shift has done wonders for Nintendo's wallet and the perception and acceptance of gaming in general, you simply cannot deny it has alienated a core group of loyal hardcore gamers who want more from a game.

Furthermore those posts that argue that Nintendo's current direction will engage the hardcore audience in the future in one form or another, are completely baseless. You provide no hard evidence, unlike the TC who has convincingly proven otherwise.

Bravo.

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

wow this thread fails at life. from a business point of view Nintendo are doing the right thing...you see, it's not about pleasing hardcore gamers, its about reaching out to as many people as you can and making a profit Lol.

Matt747uk

That's got nothing to do with this thread. As a gamer you should be more concerned with the games than the business side of things.

Lol, whats wrong with the games they are releasing?

[QUOTE="Matt747uk"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

wow this thread fails at life. from a business point of view Nintendo are doing the right thing...you see, it's not about pleasing hardcore gamers, its about reaching out to as many people as you can and making a profit Lol.

XenoNinja

That's got nothing to do with this thread. As a gamer you should be more concerned with the games than the business side of things.

Lol, whats wrong with the games they are releasing?

Oh..I dont know..maybe a little bit childish?

Legendary Post.

You articulated what other like-minded gamers have been feeling for some years now.

I too have ditched Nintendo simply because I lost interest in what they are doing, they simply were not for me anymore. People who don't acknowledge this change are completely blind. Those who claim that this change is nothing but good news for everyone is in denial. Although this shift has done wonders for Nintendo's wallet and the perception and acceptance of gaming in general, you simply cannot deny it has alienated a core group of loyal hardcore gamers who want more from a game.

Furthermore those posts that argue that Nintendo's current direction will engage the hardcore audience in the future in one form or another, are completely baseless. You provide no hard evidence, unlike the TC who has convincingly proven otherwise.

Bravo.

crunchy9178

To be fair, I can provide games.(and no you won't see me actually having the patience of doing so, just because of this argumet)

That in itself is less groundless then many arguments I have seen about the Wii in this particular area.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

I do have to comment on your signature here:

100% SW gladiator. Be ye a fanboy, or be ye elitist GUFU scum?

GUFU's aim isn't to be elitist...

subrosian

There is something that you don't understand, there are a lot of hardcore games that are coming on Wii and like Microsoft, they didn't show a lot of new upcoming titles for 2008 and beyond. If you don't know where to look for those hardcore games, then you're just a Nintendo hater like a lot of people these days because they stick with that «Nintendo is killing the game industry».

To me, that's Microsoft who started killing the game industry as they have increased the trend of FPS and now the market is overflowing on store shelves.

Anyway, in order to make 3rd parties sell games on the Wii, they let 3rd parties make and come up with hardcore games. They have to. Whatever people says, i liked the aiming in Red Steel, To me, it's already more precise, faster and a more rewarding experience since i feel like i did the headshot with my arm instead of my thumbs. Maybe you don't feel the same... probably...

In a sense, i easily understands you and Xbox 360 is there to fill the need inside to feel like you have played something awesome and fun. Those hardcore games are coming... Have you ever wondered ? Why is the critically acclaimed title Resident Evil 4 (an awesome hardcore game) has never been really played by the Xbox community ? That was the best hardcore game of last gen but still, they didn't feel like IT COULD BE WORTH TO PLAY since the title has appeared on «inferior console» (Gamecube and PS2.

The thing is, give a chance to the 360 or PS3 but don't overlook the hardcore games on the Wii because the same thing that happened with Resident Evil 4 for Xbox owner could happen to YOU !

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="Matt747uk"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

wow this thread fails at life. from a business point of view Nintendo are doing the right thing...you see, it's not about pleasing hardcore gamers, its about reaching out to as many people as you can and making a profit Lol.

Rudy25

That's got nothing to do with this thread. As a gamer you should be more concerned with the games than the business side of things.

Lol, whats wrong with the games they are releasing?

Oh..I dont know..maybe a little bit childish?

Childish? well thats pretty weak. so in others words...Nintendo are not putting out enough games with violence and sex in them.

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="bexarath"]So let me see if I can summarize that wall of text: "Nintendo is ruining gaming because they don't make games that I like." Also, great implication that your tastes = taste of all 'hardcore' gamers. Ego much?subrosian

And yet I see that mario only has 3 health points

To be honest.He made some valid arguments and I do infact agree that they absolutely left out the hardcore players/they aren't doing everything they can to make the consumers happy with their product. End Of Story.

However, from a casual soccer mom perspective the Wii is a catch. Simple games, simple setup, simple price tag. BUT I still think that, that model fits the DS the best and not a home console. It was hard to accept the fact that they chose to pullback on the power of the Wii as much as they did but there is a line. Pulling back on games, online and so on really pisses me off.

I can safely say that I've been caring for Nintendo insanely much since I grew up with the Nes-Snes which are two system that did it all for their time. Wii? Not so much.

So from a "gamers" perspective there isreally no reason to buy a Wii at all IF you aren't a fan of their IP's. I bet I will buy a Wii sometime in the next commin let's say 3-4 years just for the IP's I love. For me Nintendo failed me miserably and I'm really dissapointed, but I can't help to smile when I look at Super Mario Galaxy. Hopefully they will step it up by next year or I'm going to have to go with a Xbox360 and perhaps a PS3 if Sony get's more games.

I don't however have any love for those other companys, but they have the games sadly.

[QUOTE="Rudy25"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="Matt747uk"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

wow this thread fails at life. from a business point of view Nintendo are doing the right thing...you see, it's not about pleasing hardcore gamers, its about reaching out to as many people as you can and making a profit Lol.

XenoNinja

That's got nothing to do with this thread. As a gamer you should be more concerned with the games than the business side of things.

Lol, whats wrong with the games they are releasing?

Oh..I dont know..maybe a little bit childish?

Childish? well thats pretty weak. so in others words...Nintendo are not putting out enough games with violence and sex in them.

RIGHT!!

You say things such as Nintendo is abandoning the hardcore gamer; that they have completely abandoned their core supporters for plug and play games for non gamers. However, in a month will begin the fastest torrent of hardcore games they have released in a decade. Metriod Prime 3, a hardcore game of the year series from the last generation, will be released in August. Battalion Wars in October. Super Mario Galaxy is released in November. SSBB in December. Fire Emblem is out sometime this year as well.

So far this generation, the Wii already has a Zelda, a Metriod, a mainstream Mario game, and a Super Smash Brothers within 13 monthes of release, quicker then any other console. The Wii also has many more smaller release games released by Nintendo withen this timeframe. Super Paper Mario, Fire Emblem, Battalion Wars, and Mario Kart round out one of the largest hard core pushes by Nintendo from recent consoles.

However, since this also goes alongside a push in casual games such as Wario Ware and Mario Party, people ignore the unprecedented speed in which Nintendo is releasing games for the core gamer, and see only the push in casual games. If Nintendo didn't release Brain Training and Wario Ware nor announce WiiFit, would people instead notice how much quicker Nintendo is putting out hardcore games?

Nintendo has stated they are interested in gaming for everyone. They already had a base set from which they could help hardcore gamers, their perenial favorites which won two straight GOTY awards. However, what they were lacking was games for the non gamers. So while they made improvements to their core offerings, such as the base of a nice online system if Strikers is an indication, they have made larger strides to equalise their games for everyone, to produce games for the non-gamer. It isn't as though Nintendo said, "Screw you core gamer," instead saying, "We've been ignoring this other group for a long time, so while we are still pushing for you, we're also going to push for this new group." However, since any increase in a smaller group is more noticable, that is what people see and latch onto.

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="Rudy25"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="Matt747uk"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

wow this thread fails at life. from a business point of view Nintendo are doing the right thing...you see, it's not about pleasing hardcore gamers, its about reaching out to as many people as you can and making a profit Lol.

Rudy25

That's got nothing to do with this thread. As a gamer you should be more concerned with the games than the business side of things.

Lol, whats wrong with the games they are releasing?

Oh..I dont know..maybe a little bit childish?

Childish? well thats pretty weak. so in others words...Nintendo are not putting out enough games with violence and sex in them.

RIGHT!!

Oh gee how sad.

Oh gee how sad.

uh oh..I smell a duel coming...quick get your wii sword!! LOL!!!!!!!!

wow this thread fails at life. from a business point of view Nintendo are doing the right thing...you see, it's not about pleasing hardcore gamers, its about reaching out to as many people as you can and making a profit Lol.

XenoNinja

wow, you think people don't know that? Yeah they have a great business model, but what has that got to do with the people that just want the games? By the way the hardcore gamer is the best customer, they spend the most money.

Do you own shares in Nintendo? Is this an official forum for Nintendo employee's?

Rudy25

Oh gee how sad.

uh oh..I smell a duel coming...quick get your wii sword!! LOL!!!!!!!!

Rofl!! WTH?

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

wow this thread fails at life. from a business point of view Nintendo are doing the right thing...you see, it's not about pleasing hardcore gamers, its about reaching out to as many people as you can and making a profit Lol.

tomarlyn

wow, you think people don't know that? Yeah they have a great business model, but what has that got to do with the people that just want the games? By the way the hardcore gamer is the best customer, they spend the most money.

Do you own shares in Nintendo? Is this an official forum for Nintendo employee's?

Hardcore gamer is not the best coustomer they dont spend money that much there too pickey

Hardcore gamer is a inch market causals is a bigger market just lik non gamers.

who you going to target more smaller or larger group think about it? thats what i thought

This is why Wii's only promising hardcore game Project H.A.M.M.E.R got canceled:Dno_submission

is s till a rumor nothing offcial

You say things such as Nintendo is abandoning the hardcore gamer; that they have completely abandoned their core supporters for plug and play games for non gamers. However, in a month will begin the fastest torrent of hardcore games they have released in a decade. Metriod Prime 3, a hardcore game of the year series from the last generation, will be released in August. Battalion Wars in October. Super Mario Galaxy is released in November. SSBB in December. Fire Emblem is out sometime this year as well.

So far this generation, the Wii already has a Zelda, a Metriod, a mainstream Mario game, and a Super Smash Brothers within 13 monthes of release, quicker then any other console. The Wii also has many more smaller release games released by Nintendo withen this timeframe. Super Paper Mario, Fire Emblem, Battalion Wars, and Mario Kart round out one of the largest hard core pushes by Nintendo from recent consoles.

However, since this also goes alongside a push in casual games such as Wario Ware and Mario Party, people ignore the unprecedented speed in which Nintendo is releasing games for the core gamer, and see only the push in casual games. If Nintendo didn't release Brain Training and Wario Ware nor announce WiiFit, would people instead notice how much quicker Nintendo is putting out hardcore games?

jeffwulf

I completely agree. That is why I cannot agree with for example gamingcucumber, saying that Nintendo is not doing everything they can at this point in time.

They are only one company that takes care of games and their consoles, they have always had the weight on their shoulders to withstand the Wiis predecessors sales. Quite frankly, I look at what they are doing this year and I seriously do not understand what people expect from them... They cannot release a new title every single day and they are already doing in a year, what in many generation they have done in years.

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

wow this thread fails at life. from a business point of view Nintendo are doing the right thing...you see, it's not about pleasing hardcore gamers, its about reaching out to as many people as you can and making a profit Lol.

tomarlyn

wow, you think people don't know that? Yeah they have a great business model, but what has that got to do with the people that just want the games? By the way the hardcore gamer is the best customer, they spend the most money.

Do you own shares in Nintendo? Is this an official forum for Nintendo employee's?

theyare providing gamers with games, the gamers are just fussy because the games don't look pretty and don't have enough violence and sex in them.

This is why Wii's only promising hardcore game Project H.A.M.M.E.R got canceled:Dno_submission

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

wow this thread fails at life. from a business point of view Nintendo are doing the right thing...you see, it's not about pleasing hardcore gamers, its about reaching out to as many people as you can and making a profit Lol.

Gameboi_1992

wow, you think people don't know that? Yeah they have a great business model, but what has that got to do with the people that just want the games? By the way the hardcore gamer is the best customer, they spend the most money.

Do you own shares in Nintendo? Is this an official forum for Nintendo employee's?

Hardcore gamer is not the best coustomer they dont spend money that much there too pickey

Hardcore gamer is a inch market causals is a bigger market just lik non gamers.

who you going to target more smaller or larger group think about it? thats what i thought

Individually, serious gamers spend the most money according to a recent study.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

wow this thread fails at life. from a business point of view Nintendo are doing the right thing...you see, it's not about pleasing hardcore gamers, its about reaching out to as many people as you can and making a profit Lol.

XenoNinja

wow, you think people don't know that? Yeah they have a great business model, but what has that got to do with the people that just want the games? By the way the hardcore gamer is the best customer, they spend the most money.

Do you own shares in Nintendo? Is this an official forum for Nintendo employee's?

theyare providing gamers with games, the gamers are just fussy because the games don't look pretty and don't have enough violence and sex in them.

No, they're providing fan service with milked franchises and sales gimmicks (ingenious sales gimmicks). What has violence and sex got to do with anything? :|

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

wow this thread fails at life. from a business point of view Nintendo are doing the right thing...you see, it's not about pleasing hardcore gamers, its about reaching out to as many people as you can and making a profit Lol.

XenoNinja

wow, you think people don't know that? Yeah they have a great business model, but what has that got to do with the people that just want the games? By the way the hardcore gamer is the best customer, they spend the most money.

Do you own shares in Nintendo? Is this an official forum for Nintendo employee's?

theyare providing gamers with games, the gamers arejust fussy because the games don't look pretty and don't have enough violence and sex in them.

No thats not it. Please listen. Any game that caters too all walks of life such as my 8 yr old niece to my 80 year old grandmother seems to not cater to gamers such as my self. If I want a challenge online it seems that i have to go elsewhere 360/ Ps3. Otherwise, I'll end up playing non-gamers online probably with the skill of a blind man in wet t-shirt contest. I'll stick w/consoles that I know willgive mea challenge.

[QUOTE="Rudy25"]

RIGHT!!

XenoNinja

Oh gee how sad.

Subrosian, it seems like your angry now that Nitnedo has more than 1 demographic group. Sure their press conference kinda sucked, but we are seeing Nintendo reach out to a different group. Does that mean they have forgotten the hardcore? No. Because as Nintendo aquires more and more profit from sales to non-gamers, more funds become available. With those increased funds they are free to do anything they want, from putting more hardcore games in development to buying out exclusives from third party companies. Reggie said Nintendo was broadening the Wii's target group(s), not just targetting a different one. We all know the Wii is going to become the market leader, and as the market leader they have a great sway over the third party developers. As the market leader, the Wii will get a bunch of crap, but also hardcore games. hamstergeddon