Good-Bye Nintendo

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

wow this thread fails at life. from a business point of view Nintendo are doing the right thing...you see, it's not about pleasing hardcore gamers, its about reaching out to as many people as you can and making a profit Lol.

tomarlyn

wow, you think people don't know that? Yeah they have a great business model, but what has that got to do with the people that just want the games? By the way the hardcore gamer is the best customer, they spend the most money.

Do you own shares in Nintendo? Is this an official forum for Nintendo employee's?

theyare providing gamers with games, the gamers are just fussy because the games don't look pretty and don't have enough violence and sex in them.

No, they're providing fan service with milked franchises and sales gimmicks (ingenious sales gimmicks). What has violence and sex got to do with anything? :|

well,many hardcore gamers seem to think Nintendo are childish.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

I do have to comment on your signature here:

100% SW gladiator. Be ye a fanboy, or be ye elitist GUFU scum?

GUFU's aim isn't to be elitist...

subrosian

you know what's funny? i actually skipped some of it to get to the wiifit part because i thought that looked pretty cool.

agreee with you bro i really left nin after n64

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

wow this thread fails at life. from a business point of view Nintendo are doing the right thing...you see, it's not about pleasing hardcore gamers, its about reaching out to as many people as you can and making a profit Lol.

Gameboi_1992

wow, you think people don't know that? Yeah they have a great business model, but what has that got to do with the people that just want the games? By the way the hardcore gamer is the best customer, they spend the most money.

Do you own shares in Nintendo? Is this an official forum for Nintendo employee's?

Hardcore gamer is not the best coustomer they dont spend money that much there too pickey

Hardcore gamer is a inch market causals is a bigger market just lik non gamers.

who you going to target more smaller or larger group think about it? thats what i thought

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="Rudy25"]

RIGHT!!

subrosian

Oh gee how sad.

look, people are only upset at Nintendo because their games are to kiddiesh, not because they are not complex or artistic...give me a break Lol.

Sure SMG, MP3, and SSBB are coming soon for the hardcores, but after that, what else is there? They didn't showcase many of the other upcoming titles at all, and were more into Wii Fit. They're banking their entire hardcore audience on 3 games? And it's not guaranteed that all 3 will be quality games.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

wow this thread fails at life. from a business point of view Nintendo are doing the right thing...you see, it's not about pleasing hardcore gamers, its about reaching out to as many people as you can and making a profit Lol.

XenoNinja

wow, you think people don't know that? Yeah they have a great business model, but what has that got to do with the people that just want the games? By the way the hardcore gamer is the best customer, they spend the most money.

Do you own shares in Nintendo? Is this an official forum for Nintendo employee's?

theyare providing gamers with games, the gamers are just fussy because the games don't look pretty and don't have enough violence and sex in them.

No, they're providing fan service with milked franchises and sales gimmicks (ingenious sales gimmicks). What has violence and sex got to do with anything? :|

well,many hardcore gamers seem to think Nintendo are childish.

So you assume when they say that they consider sex and violence to be non-childish? Ever think they mean deep, challenging games with a little hair on their chests. Nintendo games are like Disney films, they're for everyone in general and nobody specific at the same time. Thats great, but hardcore gamers don't like games dumbed down for the lowest common denominator.

[QUOTE="Gameboi_1992"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

wow this thread fails at life. from a business point of view Nintendo are doing the right thing...you see, it's not about pleasing hardcore gamers, its about reaching out to as many people as you can and making a profit Lol.

tomarlyn

wow, you think people don't know that? Yeah they have a great business model, but what has that got to do with the people that just want the games? By the way the hardcore gamer is the best customer, they spend the most money.

Do you own shares in Nintendo? Is this an official forum for Nintendo employee's?

Hardcore gamer is not the best coustomer they dont spend money that much there too pickey

Hardcore gamer is a inch market causals is a bigger market just lik non gamers.

who you going to target more smaller or larger group think about it? thats what i thought

Individually, serious gamers spend the most money according to a recent study.

can you link this study. i'm curious if you mean per person or as percentage of all sales.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="Rudy25"]

RIGHT!!

XenoNinja

Oh gee how sad.

look, people are only upset at Nintendo because their games are to kiddiesh, not because they are not complex or artistic...give me a break Lol.

So you just admited yourself that Nin games are kiddish....ok its time for a bottle and a nappy.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="Rudy25"]

RIGHT!!

XenoNinja

Oh gee how sad.

look, people are only upset at Nintendo because their games are to kiddiesh, not because they are not complex or artistic...give me a break Lol.

Excellent post subrosian. However, I wouldn't say they're "ruining gaming".

Sure SMG, MP3, and SSBB are coming soon for the hardcores, but after that, what else is there? They didn't showcase many of the other upcoming titles at all, and were more into Wii Fit. They're banking their entire hardcore audience on 3 games? And it's not guaranteed that all 3 will be quality games.

Blue-Sphere

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="Rudy25"]

RIGHT!!

Rudy25

Oh gee how sad.

look, people are only upset at Nintendo because their games are to kiddiesh, not because they are not complex or artistic...give me a break Lol.

So you just admited yourself that Nin games are kiddish....ok its time for a bottle and a nappy.

they are but that dont mean you can't have fun playing them, since when do games have to be complex, artistic and nice looking to enjoy them?...most games I've played like that are usually finished within 30 minutes because they spent to much time making the game look pretty Lmao!!

they are but that dont mean you can't have fun playing them, since when do games have to be complex, artistic and nice looking to enjoy them?...most games I've played like that are usually finished within 30 minutes because they spent to much time making the game look pretty Lmao!!

XenoNinja

[QUOTE="Gameboi_1992"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

wow this thread fails at life. from a business point of view Nintendo are doing the right thing...you see, it's not about pleasing hardcore gamers, its about reaching out to as many people as you can and making a profit Lol.

tomarlyn

wow, you think people don't know that? Yeah they have a great business model, but what has that got to do with the people that just want the games? By the way the hardcore gamer is the best customer, they spend the most money.

Do you own shares in Nintendo? Is this an official forum for Nintendo employee's?

Hardcore gamer is not the best coustomer they dont spend money that much there too pickey

Hardcore gamer is a inch market causals is a bigger market just lik non gamers.

who you going to target more smaller or larger group think about it? thats what i thought

Individually, serious gamers spend the most money according to a recent study.

dont see any prove nice try though try again maybe this time you willpass

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

they are but that dont mean you can't have fun playing them, since when do games have to be complex, artistic and nice looking to enjoy them?...most games I've played like that are usually finished within 30 minutes because they spent to much time making the game look pretty Lmao!!

subrosian

my point was theres nothing wrong with kiddiesh games, and yes I did complete all those games within 30 mins.

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

wow this thread fails at life. from a business point of view Nintendo are doing the right thing...you see, it's not about pleasing hardcore gamers, its about reaching out to as many people as you can and making a profit Lol.

tomarlyn

wow, you think people don't know that? Yeah they have a great business model, but what has that got to do with the people that just want the games? By the way the hardcore gamer is the best customer, they spend the most money.

Do you own shares in Nintendo? Is this an official forum for Nintendo employee's?

theyare providing gamers with games, the gamers are just fussy because the games don't look pretty and don't have enough violence and sex in them.

No, they're providing fan service with milked franchises and sales gimmicks (ingenious sales gimmicks). What has violence and sex got to do with anything? :|

what you call halo 3/racent clank god of war, re5, sports,gta milked Franchises as well like it or not the only company the are running gameing is sony/ms

why do i say this

following

1. making enttermeint center out of there consoles

2. making console into a small pc

3. not expding but costing too muhc

4. same way we played for more than 20 years

stop hating and stop complaing

you dont, need to like it but you dont need to be like this now do you?

you just upset with wii since its beating your ps3

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

they are but that dont mean you can't have fun playing them, since when do games have to be complex, artistic and nice looking to enjoy them?...most games I've played like that are usually finished within 30 minutes because they spent to much time making the game look pretty Lmao!!

XenoNinja

my point was theres nothing wrong with kiddiesh games, and yes I did complete all those games within 30 mins.

i dont get why you people think there so called kiddie games. THERE GAMES PERIOD

dont see any prove nice try though try again maybe this time you willpass

Gameboi_1992

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="Gameboi_1992"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

wow this thread fails at life. from a business point of view Nintendo are doing the right thing...you see, it's not about pleasing hardcore gamers, its about reaching out to as many people as you can and making a profit Lol.

Gameboi_1992

wow, you think people don't know that? Yeah they have a great business model, but what has that got to do with the people that just want the games? By the way the hardcore gamer is the best customer, they spend the most money.

Do you own shares in Nintendo? Is this an official forum for Nintendo employee's?

Hardcore gamer is not the best coustomer they dont spend money that much there too pickey

Hardcore gamer is a inch market causals is a bigger market just lik non gamers.

who you going to target more smaller or larger group think about it? thats what i thought

Individually, serious gamers spend the most money according to a recent study.

dont see any prove nice try though try again maybe this time you willpass

You've never read this?

Goodnight :|

I've come the the conclusion that the only thing HARDCORE about Nintendo are the fans. There is no letting up on the biased opinions of awesomeness of other consoles. Its like DAMN..there is no lettting up. NINTENDO OR DIE!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE="Gameboi_1992"]

dont see any prove nice try though try again maybe this time you willpass

subrosian

"

The biggest group of non-PC gamers is "Avid Console Gamers," who make up 20 percent of the US gaming population. They play around 10.7 hours per week on at least one console, owning an average of 1.6 consoles and 0.8 portables. "

"

Avid Console Gamers buy an average of 1.9 games per quarter, just below the two games bought each quarter by the next-largest group, "Mass Market Gamers." Mass Market Gamers comprise just 15 percent of the US gaming public, and play an average of 8.9 hours each week, mainly on the PS2 and PC. Oddly, the section boasts a higher average console ownership, 1.8 consoles, than Avid Console Gamers. "

next time read threw it than just the titile :| and you didnt have any links when you said it :| so thats YOUR FAULT

NINTENDO OR DIE!!!!!!!!!

Rudy25

thats great and yet so true, you see without Nintendo's Wii-fit, hardcore gamers will become hunch back halo playing unhealthy slobs.

[QUOTE="Rudy25"]

NINTENDO OR DIE!!!!!!!!!

XenoNinja

thats great and yet so true, you see without Nintendo's Wii-fit, hardcore gamers will become hunch back halo playing unhealthy slobs.

wow

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

they are but that dont mean you can't have fun playing them, since when do games have to be complex, artistic and nice looking to enjoy them?...most games I've played like that are usually finished within 30 minutes because they spent to much time making the game look pretty Lmao!!

XenoNinja

my point was theres nothing wrong with kiddiesh games, and yes I did complete all those games within 30 mins.

"...We're not an 'or' company, we're an 'and' company."

- Reggie Fils-Aime

And, do you have any proof of the degredation of quality of such software such as Mario Galaxy, Prime 3, and Brawl to 'make it simpler' or is that conjecture that you've based on illusory correlation with titles such as cooking mama or surf's up? You say that Nintendo's games' have been riding a wagon downhill since the Gamecube, but that didn't stop them from scoring AAA, AA, and even GOTY.

You say Nintendo produces too little, too late. I'm fine with that. What I'm not fine is, however, is when you seem to see the two factors of a) Nintendo creating much more software than usual and b) Many of the software titles being aimed at their new demographics, and then draw the conclusion "HEY WAIT! If Nintendo stuck to it's old business model, all those games would be potential new IPs! Nintendo is turning its back omglolol?!?1".

How can you honestly believe that? Nintendo's development of their casual and non-gamer software titles is having little impact on it's old franchises and production of new IPs, as shown by Disaster: DOC, and HAMMER.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

they are but that dont mean you can't have fun playing them, since when do games have to be complex, artistic and nice looking to enjoy them?...most games I've played like that are usually finished within 30 minutes because they spent to much time making the game look pretty Lmao!!

XenoNinja

my point was theres nothing wrong with kiddiesh games, and yes I did complete all those games within 30 mins.

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

they are but that dont mean you can't have fun playing them, since when do games have to be complex, artistic and nice looking to enjoy them?...most games I've played like that are usually finished within 30 minutes because they spent to much time making the game look pretty Lmao!!

subrosian

my point was theres nothing wrong with kiddiesh games, and yes I did complete all those games within 30 mins.

Fair enough. I just don't see what the big problem is...gaming shouldn't just have to be about going on some epic journey to rescue some damsel in distress... it should also about entertainment and enjoying yourself and thats what nintendo are doing with Wii-Fit.

Or, in other words, if the audience on the Wii is predominatly "non-gamers", why would third party developers make a game for a hardcore gamer on the Wii? I feel the Wii will, in the long run, be the home of "non-gamer" and "casual" titles, with little hardcore support - yes, even down the road, because as the PS3 / 360 fall in price, you will see the hardcore gamers, even those who are Nintendo fans, gravitate towards these systems simply to get their "gaming fix".

subrosian

Right. And this will lead to third party devs taking advantage of the Wii's controller, setting it apart from other platforms. This will make the casual market go "oooOOOooo!", buy the game and make thrid parties money. Third party devs will then cling to Wii and make them money form the mass market, which in turn will make Sony and MS go casual, resulting in an age of battling for the casual market = the end of video games as we know it. My vivid imagination says so anyway. I hope it's not right.

So let me see if I can summarize that wall of text: "Nintendo is ruining gaming because they don't make games that I like." Also, great implication that your tastes = taste of all 'hardcore' gamers. Ego much?bexarath

Oh I see the humour :P Nice :|

Ok then, so the tastes of Nintendo hardcore fans = mini-games, franchises stripped of their former glory and games to tend to non-gamers and casuals? I'm sorry, the best games for Wii being released (imo) are Mario, Metroid and SSBB. Disaster and Project Hammer? The future for Wii third party titleslooks better already :| Why would anyone in their right minds buy this? We know nearly nothing about disaster and PH looks terrible (imo).

Zelda PH is the only game to look forward to now and it's not even a wii title. If it's like this next year then I've given up on the Wii.

Why is this thread still alive?!

LOOK ANOTHER NINTENDO GADGET!!! GUESS WHAT YOU DO!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, you guys need lives.hyruledweller

Why is this thread still alive?!

Eponique

Because the OP was one of the greatest ever and the TC produced a valid arguement you can't seem to rebuttle.

I should add a bit more to my original post somewhere in this thread.

While I generally agree with subrosian's original post, I'm not totally willing to write Nintendo off completely. Not just yet. I hate playing the "wait until...." game, but I'm willing to see it through TGS. That's only because of the revamped E3 format (which may have caused Nintendo to be a bit too conservative with new games) and the fact that Nintendo just seems prefer to announce things in Japan.

However, I do think that this E3 does highlight one important point. If Nintendo truly intends to try to satisfy both markets, they need to be far more sensitive to the hardcore gamer. Hardcore gamers (and casual gamers, to an extent) are watching the moves these companies make step by step, so Nintendo needs to ensure that whenever they do a show, that they do NOT leave out some hardcore games. It doesn't need to be an even 50/50 split, but this E3 definately proves that Nintendo needs to show the hardcore gamers more so they don't go astray.

The other problem is Nintendo appears to have gone too casual. I think a lot of people envisioned that when they said making games for everyone, it would be more like Wii Sports- games that anybody could and would want to play. Many argue that Wii Sports didn't quite have the depth it should for hardcore gamers, but it was a significant step in the right direction. This E3? The big announcement was a solitary "game" that doesn't have us playing together. I don't mind if Nintendo truly shoots for everyone, because the best gaming experiences are shared with someone else, but when your top tier title for "everyone" is exercise that I'm not going to want to play with anyone, well, then I'm less than impressed.

I'm quite willing to admit that this E3 left me quite shaken about the future of the Wii- Nintendo did NOTHING for me (slightly casual, slightly hardcore gamer) that I didn't know about. Yes, I want MP3, but there was nothing else. But I feel obligated to give Nintendo through TGS before I write them off.

Nintendo is trying to make a quick buck on the market called suckerssubrosian

Summed up your post.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

Why is this thread still alive?!

super_mario_128

Because the OP was one of the greatest ever and the TC produced a valid arguement you can't seem to rebuttle.

He didn't even reply to my posts :| I gave up ages ago...

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Eponique"]

Why is this thread still alive?!

Eponique

Because the OP was one of the greatest ever and the TC produced a valid arguement you can't seem to rebuttle.

He didn't even reply to my posts :| I gave up ages ago...

When I said 'you' I meant the sheep fanboy in general, not just you ;)

The one who created the thread is bias and has no point only to make you believe that Nintendo has abandoned hardcore gamers. In other words, he just want to bash Nintendo as it has been the trend in the system wars nowadays. There are hardcore games too that Nintendo mentioned but they just showcase more on the casuals. Nevertheless, Sony and somehow Microsoft showcase some casuals as well.

But let's get it real. Wii may have abandoned SOME hardcore gamers(mostly lemmingswar battle cry). But what makes you think that X360 and PS3 did not abandoned or rather alienated some hardcore gamers too. The abysmal sales of PS3 and the 1.2 million sales for the X360for the last 6 months is a proof that NOT ENOUGH HARDCORE GAMERS are buying into their system which makes you wonder. PRICE and REHARSHES. Not all hardcores wanted to pay higher price to play such games. Not all of us are graphic-oriented in terms of games. It is so true, X360 and perhaps PS3 have the games the hardcore wanted, but the price just AIN'T RIGHT. So to say Nintendo is solely destroying gaming is just a bias and one-sided point of view and to say that Sony and Microsoft is improving gaming is just an overstatement and untrue.

The one who created the thread is bias and has no point only to make you believe that Nintendo has abandoned hardcore gamers. In other words, he just want to bash Nintendo as it has been the trend in the system wars nowadays. There are hardcore games too that Nintendo mentioned but they just showcase more on the casuals. Nevertheless, Sony and somehow Microsoft showcase some casuals as well.

But let's get it real. Wii may have abandoned SOME hardcore gamers(mostly lemmingswar battle cry). But what makes you think that X360 and PS3 did not abandoned or rather alienated some hardcore gamers too. The abysmal sales of PS3 and the 1.2 million sales for the X360for the last 6 months is a proof that NOT ENOUGH HARDCORE GAMERS are buying into their system which makes you wonder. PRICE and REHARSHES. Not all hardcores wanted to pay higher price to play such games. Not all of us are graphic-oriented in terms of games. It is so true, X360 and perhaps PS3 have the games the hardcore wanted, but the price just AIN'T RIGHT. So to say Nintendo is solely destroying gaming is just a bias and one-sided point of view and to say that Sony and Microsoft is improving gaming is just an overstatement and untrue.

Zaistev_basic

Agreed.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

they are but that dont mean you can't have fun playing them, since when do games have to be complex, artistic and nice looking to enjoy them?...most games I've played like that are usually finished within 30 minutes because they spent to much time making the game look pretty Lmao!!

XenoNinja

my point was theres nothing wrong with kiddiesh games, and yes I did complete all those games within 30 mins.

Fair enough. I just don't see what the big problem is...gaming shouldn't just have to be about going on some epic journey to rescue some damsel in distress... it should also about entertainment and enjoying yourself and thats what nintendo are doing with Wii-Fit.

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Eponique"]

Why is this thread still alive?!

Eponique

Because the OP was one of the greatest ever and the TC produced a valid arguement you can't seem to rebuttle.

He didn't even reply to my posts :| I gave up ages ago...

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Eponique"]

Why is this thread still alive?!

super_mario_128

Because the OP was one of the greatest ever and the TC produced a valid arguement you can't seem to rebuttle.

He didn't even reply to my posts :| I gave up ages ago...

When I said 'you' I meant the sheep fanboy in general, not just you ;)

So that includes me right? He didn't reply...

Must I post it again?

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Eponique"]

Why is this thread still alive?!

super_mario_128

Because the OP was one of the greatest ever and the TC produced a valid arguement you can't seem to rebuttle.

He didn't even reply to my posts :| I gave up ages ago...

When I said 'you' I meant the sheep fanboy in general, not just you ;)

The problem with that is, there isn't much of an argument. Mostly, the OP is a rant about Nintendo's E3.

Okay, the "Nintendo is hurting gaming." This argument has been done to death, and I don't thinksubrosian added anything new to it. I don't even think he completely agrees with it. Like I said before, I think a lot of his post was just out of anger as a reaction to the conference.

Waitaminute...since whenwere you...and...oh I'm so confused.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Gameboi_1992"]

dont see any prove nice try though try again maybe this time you willpass

Gameboi_1992

"

The biggest group of non-PC gamers is "Avid Console Gamers," who make up 20 percent of the US gaming population. They play around 10.7 hours per week on at least one console, owning an average of 1.6 consoles and 0.8 portables. "

"

Avid Console Gamers buy an average of 1.9 games per quarter, just below the two games bought each quarter by the next-largest group, "Mass Market Gamers." Mass Market Gamers comprise just 15 percent of the US gaming public, and play an average of 8.9 hours each week, mainly on the PS2 and PC. Oddly, the section boasts a higher average console ownership, 1.8 consoles, than Avid Console Gamers. "

next time read threw it than just the titile :| and you didnt have any links when you said it :| so thats YOUR FAULT

Hardcore gamers = best customer