Has PC only had one AAA exclusive title since 1998?

[QUOTE="chunkowookie"]

[QUOTE="TheEroica"] Whoa whoa whoa... im no supporter of ispeakfact nonsense believe me, but thats b.s.... if a shared game between pc and 360 is considered multiplat then it sure the hell is between mac and pc.BeardMaster

Actually, that's b.s. A 360 is not a PC with a different operating system. It's entirely different hardware, with unique architecture, and unique means of development. You can't install windows, or mac os, on a 360, and even if you somehow did, it wouldn't run PC games. Mac OS is just that. A different OS than Windows. Macs are still built with the same hardware that goes into a Windows PC, they just get a different OS installed at the factory. And you can install Mac OS on any computer, even it if it is against their EULA. And you can install Windows on a Mac.

So no, Windows and Mac are not separate in the same way that a Windows (or mac) PC is separate from a 360, or a PS3. They are very much the same thing. Much more so than a PS3 and a 360, or a 360 and a PC.

how is a 360 entirely different hardwarwe? the xenos is almost a clone of the raedon X1800XT...

despite being a lemming im starting to think i know more about computers than any hermit on here.

Okay. Can you take apart a 360, remove the xenos, and plug it into the motherboard in your pc? Nope. Can I remove the nvidia card from a higher end mac and stick it in my motherboard? Yup. That's the difference. It's not that complicated.

Big multiplat games are developed by whole different teams because they need to be different from the ground up. the mac version of a pc game is still designed for all the same hardware, with a couple of tiny tweaks in the launcher, to make it launch through Mac os instead of windows. That's why modern Pc/Mac games don't even have separate versions anymore. My starcraft 2 and diablo 3 cases say right on the side "for windows xp/windows vista/windows 7/macintosh. They install from the same disc. As soon as you can drop the STALKER game disc into a 360 and play it, we'll continue this discussion.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="chunkowookie"]

Actually, that's b.s. A 360 is not a PC with a different operating system. It's entirely different hardware, with unique architecture, and unique means of development. You can't install windows, or mac os, on a 360, and even if you somehow did, it wouldn't run PC games. Mac OS is just that. A different OS than Windows. Macs are still built with the same hardware that goes into a Windows PC, they just get a different OS installed at the factory. And you can install Mac OS on any computer, even it if it is against their EULA. And you can install Windows on a Mac.

So no, Windows and Mac are not separate in the same way that a Windows (or mac) PC is separate from a 360, or a PS3. They are very much the same thing. Much more so than a PS3 and a 360, or a 360 and a PC.

the_bi99man

Because a copy of Windows is software, not hardware. Also, I can just install my old copy of windows xp that i've had for years. Which I've done.

Also, the point is that a "Mac computer" is no different than a Windows computer, on a hardware level. It's just different software. That's not possible with consoles, and if it were, you'd also have to buy the new operating system in that situation. And no one is going to buy a Mac intending to install windows on it after the fact, for better game support (at least not if they're not an idiot), as it would be cheaper and better performance to just get one that had windows already, or build one and put windows on it.

But again, the point is that it's a difference of software, not hardware. It can't really get any clearer than that.

That's a load of crap. Windows boxes and Macs are two different platforms in every context. For the longest time in SW, "PC" meant "all personal computers", and I bought that. But now, I am really thinking WindowsPC, MacPC, and LinuxPC is what it should really be.

And, we have Macs at my job that run Windows - it's called Dual Boot & VMWare.

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="chunkowookie"]

Actually, that's b.s. A 360 is not a PC with a different operating system. It's entirely different hardware, with unique architecture, and unique means of development. You can't install windows, or mac os, on a 360, and even if you somehow did, it wouldn't run PC games. Mac OS is just that. A different OS than Windows. Macs are still built with the same hardware that goes into a Windows PC, they just get a different OS installed at the factory. And you can install Mac OS on any computer, even it if it is against their EULA. And you can install Windows on a Mac.

So no, Windows and Mac are not separate in the same way that a Windows (or mac) PC is separate from a 360, or a PS3. They are very much the same thing. Much more so than a PS3 and a 360, or a 360 and a PC.

chunkowookie

how is a 360 entirely different hardwarwe? the xenos is almost a clone of the raedon X1800XT...

despite being a lemming im starting to think i know more about computers than any hermit on here.

Big multiplat games are developed by whole different teams because they need to be different from the ground up. the mac version of a pc game is still designed for all the same hardware, with a couple of tiny tweaks in the launcher, to make it launch through Mac os instead of windows. That's why modern Pc/Mac games don't even have separate versions anymore. My starcraft 2 and diablo 3 cases say right on the side "for windows xp/windows vista/windows 7/macintosh. They install from the same disc. As soon as you can drop the STALKER game disc into a 360 and play it, we'll continue this discussion.

aaaaaaaaand BAM!

That about sums it up.

PC Gamers = Hermits

Mac Gamers = Worms

There, the SP settled it, two distinctly different platforms / systems / barnyard animals. :P

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

He probably meant the hardware structure of the 360,the fact it's standardized,can't be upgraded,and is non-tweakable.

When it comes to hardware,there are large differences in structures of open(PC) and closed(consoles) platforms.

Rocker6

only because it runs a closed OS... not too different from macs of the past.

and there are not large differences in structure, 360 is closed system but shares quite a bit of its architecture with PC.

The closed nature of console hardware itself is already a huge difference compared to open nature of the PC platform.

I'm well aware of the architecture of 360 hardware (Xenos and Xenon),btw...

but thats not because of the hardware... its because of the culture, there is no demand for open source OS' on the 460 or ps3. The hardware is plenty capable, the coders just dont have an incentive,

there was a time when putting windows on a mac or vice versa was near impossible.

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

He probably meant the hardware structure of the 360,the fact it's standardized,can't be upgraded,and is non-tweakable.

When it comes to hardware,there are large differences in structures of open(PC) and closed(consoles) platforms.

Rocker6

only because it runs a closed OS... not too different from macs of the past.

and there are not large differences in structure, 360 is closed system but shares quite a bit of its architecture with PC.

The closed nature of console hardware itself is already a huge difference compared to open nature of the PC platform.

I'm well aware of the architecture of 360 hardware (Xenos and Xenon),btw...

yea there was a time when putting windows on a mac just didnt happen, you know.

consoles are only closed because there is no demand for other OS's. Mac was very closed for a real long time, but only opened up due to consumer pressure.

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

only because it runs a closed OS... not too different from macs of the past.

and there are not large differences in structure, 360 is closed system but shares quite a bit of its architecture with PC.

BeardMaster

The closed nature of console hardware itself is already a huge difference compared to open nature of the PC platform.

I'm well aware of the architecture of 360 hardware (Xenos and Xenon),btw...

but thats not because of the hardware... its because of the culture, there is no demand for open source OS' on the 460 or ps3. The hardware is plenty capable, the coders just dont have an incentive,

there was a time when putting windows on a mac or vice versa was near impossible.

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] You can install Windows on MAC, but you'd have to buy Windows? How is that any different from buying a new System? StormyJoe

Because a copy of Windows is software, not hardware. Also, I can just install my old copy of windows xp that i've had for years. Which I've done.

Also, the point is that a "Mac computer" is no different than a Windows computer, on a hardware level. It's just different software. That's not possible with consoles, and if it were, you'd also have to buy the new operating system in that situation. And no one is going to buy a Mac intending to install windows on it after the fact, for better game support (at least not if they're not an idiot), as it would be cheaper and better performance to just get one that had windows already, or build one and put windows on it.

But again, the point is that it's a difference of software, not hardware. It can't really get any clearer than that.

That's a load of crap. Windows boxes and Macs are two different platforms in every context. For the longest time in SW, "PC" meant "all personal computers", and I bought that. But now, I am really thinking WindowsPC, MacPC, and LinuxPC is what it should really be.

And, we have Macs at my job that run Windows - it's called Dual Boot & VMWare.

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

The closed nature of console hardware itself is already a huge difference compared to open nature of the PC platform.

I'm well aware of the architecture of 360 hardware (Xenos and Xenon),btw...

StormyJoe

but thats not because of the hardware... its because of the culture, there is no demand for open source OS' on the 460 or ps3. The hardware is plenty capable, the coders just dont have an incentive,

there was a time when putting windows on a mac or vice versa was near impossible.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

Because a copy of Windows is software, not hardware. Also, I can just install my old copy of windows xp that i've had for years. Which I've done.

Also, the point is that a "Mac computer" is no different than a Windows computer, on a hardware level. It's just different software. That's not possible with consoles, and if it were, you'd also have to buy the new operating system in that situation. And no one is going to buy a Mac intending to install windows on it after the fact, for better game support (at least not if they're not an idiot), as it would be cheaper and better performance to just get one that had windows already, or build one and put windows on it.

But again, the point is that it's a difference of software, not hardware. It can't really get any clearer than that.

MBirdy88

That's a load of crap. Windows boxes and Macs are two different platforms in every context. For the longest time in SW, "PC" meant "all personal computers", and I bought that. But now, I am really thinking WindowsPC, MacPC, and LinuxPC is what it should really be.

And, we have Macs at my job that run Windows - it's called Dual Boot & VMWare.

so are you on record as saying a 360 cant run windows?

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

but thats not because of the hardware... its because of the culture, there is no demand for open source OS' on the 460 or ps3. The hardware is plenty capable, the coders just dont have an incentive,

there was a time when putting windows on a mac or vice versa was near impossible.

MBirdy88

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="StormyJoe"] AND... the Mac IS a closed architecture. You can't "build" yourself a Mac.locopatho

I literally cannot believe what I am reading... Im flabbergasted, shocked and appalled at the hypocrisy around here.... OF COURSE consoles are different from PC and MAC and of course they are capable of different things, but you can argue all the tech jargon you want, the fact remains that PC and MAC are two different platforms, 2 sku's, two approaches, two products, two completely different OS's and thus multiplatform... How many countless and endless threads have I read over the past 5 years and longer on this website bi*ch slapping a game into the safe catagory of Multiplat so that nobodys feelings get hurt worse than they already are about a game or franchise. The fact is that there is a vastly different experience between the PC and MAC than there is between even the 360 and the ps3! NOBODY... not a single soul on earth looks at a Macbook and says, "wow thats a nice PC"... its a different platform and a different approach through its VASTLY different OS and functionality. Im sorry, but just when I think System Wars cannot POSSIBLY become more stupid and jaded about its rules and way we judge games and success (console exclusives dont count, Arcade games dont count... etc. etc.) someone comes along and blows my mind with just how shallow and illegitimate these "rules" really are. I have no problem with PC OR its competitor and different platform MAC and I love any machine that plays games, but when we start to take the blatantly obvious things that abide by the "rules" that we follow in here and alter them to fit our point and help us sleep at night, its more than a tad irritating. TheEroica

Technical jargon? as apposed to you simplifying things to the point where it just over-complicates the entire process? I can run Mac OS X on my PC, and a Mac can run windows. if Console gamers can lump 3-5 systems together, we can at least do this based on the concept of "Hey, its just part of a PC tool" You distinguishing them as platforms is nothing more than buying into apple **** image.

A Mac is a personal computer you self righteous nut. It literally is just a different operating system. which does practically the same thing overall, just nowhere near as supported. IF all you want to play the REAL rules here. Wii has no exclusives, everything is on PC, same with every console and handheld prior to that. My god, some of the most downloaded apps on android ON THEIR OWN STORE are console emulators like snes emulators ect, nobody gives a flying f*** about silly little non-enforced rules, if you console numpties could load up emulators you bloody well would you hypocritical excuse using sore losers.

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="StormyJoe"] AND... the Mac IS a closed architecture. You can't "build" yourself a Mac.

locopatho

1: Because it's software, not hardware. If you install windows on your Mac, it's still the same machine, and it still runs all the same stuff it did before, plus the windows games. You can buy a Wii, but it's not also going to play your 360 or PS3 games. And, if the customer/gamer in question knew anything about computers, they wouldn't own the mac in the first place, so there'd be no need to buy a new OS. And, as I mentioned earlier, modern Mac/PC games don't even come in different versions anymore. SC2 and D3, for example come in the same retail box, and the same disc installs on either windows or mac.

2: To Stormyjoe: Yes, you can "build" yourself a Mac. It's called ordering the parts, building a PC, and installing Mac OS on it. Why someone would do that, I don't know, but it can be done. And lots of people who want to have mac for whatever reason just install it with windows. It's called dual-booting. You can have windows on one drive and mac on the other (or even just different partitions of the same drive), and then you can restart any time and select which OS you want. In some setups you don't even need to restart. You can have them running simultaneously, and switch whenever you feel like it.

3: And to Beardsly. Again, show me a 360 booting windows, and running STALKER, then we'll call this a debate.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Diablo 1 was on the PS1, and Crysis got ported.

That's what happens to most PC exclusives. If they can be put on the consoles, they eventually are. Makes the developers more money.

menes777

You could take away every single exclusive on PC and there would still be a reason to own a PC. Just for general usage not to mention that the multiplats are better overall on the PC. Take away the console exclusives and all you have are gimped, locked down, underpowered, overpriced PC's that have no value whatsoever except as convenience machines.

..and "overpriced". I could find an 360/PS3 for $150-$200 right now. I HIGHLY doubt I'd be able to find a PC for the same price on the same lvl as those two.

[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"] lol No wonder Hermits bash consolites all the time.. they keep losing their exclusives.. :POhSnapitz

You could take away every single exclusive on PC and there would still be a reason to own a PC. Just for general usage not to mention that the multiplats are better overall on the PC. Take away the console exclusives and all you have are gimped, locked down, underpowered, overpriced PC's that have no value whatsoever except as convenience machines.

Lol. If all you do on your PC is facebook, youtube and listen to music.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"] An OS is just a part of a computer... not the full device, like consoles.MBirdy88

well if you ever get a computer science degree, and goto a job interview... if they ask what systems you have worked with... and you start talking about hardware... you immediately dont get the job.

in the technical community, systems is software. Again, thats why devs will port games from PC to mac. they dont port games from PC to PC... because mac and pc are the same.

No

World of Warcaft

Starcraft II

Warcraft III

Baldur's Gate II

UT2K4

Homeworld

Company of Heroes

The Sims

UT99

Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri

MOH:AA

Star Wars: Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II

Battlefield 2

I could go on.

No

World of Warcaft

Starcraft II

Warcraft III

Baldur's Gate II

UT2K4

Homeworld

Company of Heroes

The Sims

UT99

Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri

MOH:AA

Star Wars: Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II

Battlefield 2

I could go on.

Link3301

Solid list, but don't bother. The console fanboys have decided to jump on some crazy new bandwagon claiming PC games on Mac makes them not exclusive. Because they don't understand that PC doesn't stand for "Windows Computer". They're not very good at spelling.

[QUOTE="Link3301"]

No

World of Warcaft

Starcraft II

Warcraft III

Baldur's Gate II

UT2K4

Homeworld

Company of Heroes

The Sims

UT99

Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri

MOH:AA

Star Wars: Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II

Battlefield 2

I could go on.

the_bi99man

Solid list, but don't bother. The console fanboys have decided to jump on some crazy new bandwagon claiming PC games on Mac makes them not exclusive. Because they don't understand that PC doesn't stand for "Windows Computer". They're not very good at spelling.

Gotta say,SW really went to crap since that MAC argument started :(

[QUOTE="ispeakfact"]

I was poking around Metacritic and noticed, in it's "All Time" section, that the pc seemed to only have one AAA scoring exclusive since 1998. The title being "Thief," sitting at a 92. Is this right?

Link

candyassgames

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="Link3301"]

No

World of Warcaft

Starcraft II

Warcraft III

Baldur's Gate II

UT2K4

Homeworld

Company of Heroes

The Sims

UT99

Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri

MOH:AA

Star Wars: Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II

Battlefield 2

I could go on.

Rocker6

Solid list, but don't bother. The console fanboys have decided to jump on some crazy new bandwagon claiming PC games on Mac makes them not exclusive. Because they don't understand that PC doesn't stand for "Windows Computer". They're not very good at spelling.

Gotta say,SW really went to crap since that MAC argument started :(

yeah. I think im gonna give it a rest for a few days. I'm getting back into Diablo 3 (which, by the way, can be installed on either Mac or Windows from the same disc :P). I actually really like the changes with the patch.

and when thinking about their love life in the future I just....

deu5ka175

ispeak wins again sorry hermits look like u lose agin u must be used to it by now

hermits probly have to wear diapers because they are always so butthurt

platniumgamer

I love how much you've been riding his d!ck in this thread. Pretty embarrasing.

PC Gamers = Hermits

Mac Gamers = Worms

There, the SP settled it, two distinctly different platforms / systems / barnyard animals. :P

SecretPolice

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

PC only has a few good exclusives. Diablo, Day Z, and some RTS games like Rome Total War and Age of Empires. WOW does not count because it is not a game, SWTOR is false advertising and is nothing like Star Wars, don't waste your money.

PS3 is the best system with the best games. Why waste money upgrading a PC for graphics when PS3 can do great graphics too? And at a far better price and with better exclusives? PC gamimg is overrated.

And I own a gaming PC, so I am not a fanboy.

ShadowMoses900

My specs:

Windows Vista

12 GB HD

About 2GB RAM

Nvidia HD

GeForce GTX 280

AMD 2.8 GHZ

Hermits are not very nice and last time they just laughed at me, even though my thread was legit and I was asking for help. They just make fun of me instead. This is because they are jealous of the PS3.

And WOW is not fun at all, it is not a game. There is no objective or goal in WOW. It is not a game, it is just a waste of time and money.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="lawlessx"] refresh my memory..what were those specs for your PC again? Also can you explain what a game is and why WOW is not one?

kickass1337

My specs:

Windows Vista

12 GB HD

About 2GB RAM

Nvidia HD

GeForce GTX 280

AMD 2.8 GHZ

Hermits are not very nice and last time they just laughed at me, even though my thread was legit and I was asking for help. They just make fun of me instead. This is because they are jealous of the PS3.

And WOW is not fun at all, it is not a game. There is no objective or goal in WOW. It is not a game, it is just a waste of time and money.

That's because he doesn't have a PC. Not even a crappy one. He actually trolls the gamespot forums from his PS3.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

PC Gamers = Hermits

Mac Gamers = Worms

There, the SP settled it, two distinctly different platforms / systems / barnyard animals. :P

ispeakfact

I'd prefer Jobbies for the mac users.

[QUOTE="ispeakfact"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

PC Gamers = Hermits

Mac Gamers = Worms

There, the SP settled it, two distinctly different platforms / systems / barnyard animals. :P

tenaka2

I'd prefer Jobbies for the mac users.

Why do we even care that much about scores anyway? Most scores are getting bribed or fanboyed anyway

Hermits are a joke.

Hermits are a joke.

Obviously_Right

I never saw a post from you contributing something of value to the discussion at hand, so I'd say the word "joke" is in fact an accurate description of yourself and your childish insults :)

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Black and white/ World of Warcraft etc also appear on the MAC

TheEroica

which is a pc. personal computer.

a personal computer is the platform. the operating system you choose to use is just one of the customization options available to you. it's not a double standard.

[QUOTE="Sun_Universe"]

[QUOTE="ispeakfact"] Well, I was kinda looking for some answers. I did not receive any as of yet. I mean, the master race should be able to answer this no problem. :cool:

Davekeeh

Baldur's Gate II, my son.

I thought Wasdie already put the Mac/PC/linux problem to rest

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

Hermits are a joke.

Rocker6

I never saw a post from you contributing something of value to the discussion at hand, so I'd say the word "joke" is in fact an accurate description of yourself and your childish insults :)

Of course you didn't, unless someone says something that praises the PC as the second coming of Christ Hermits will disregard it.

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

Hermits are a joke.

Obviously_Right

I never saw a post from you contributing something of value to the discussion at hand, so I'd say the word "joke" is in fact an accurate description of yourself and your childish insults :)

Of course you didn't, unless someone says something that praises the PC as the second coming of Christ Hermits will disregard it.

You're not helping your case.

As I said, here on SW, I never saw you form a cohesive arguement of any kind... :(

I thought Wasdie already put the Mac/PC/linux problem to rest

lostrib

he made a thread. you still have to convince people that it's true.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

I thought Wasdie already put the Mac/PC/linux problem to rest

CaseyWegner

he made a thread. you still have to convince people that it's true.

Good luck with that!

Only a few suspensions for spam will convince most of them, many won't accept any words or explanations, no matter how convincing or reasonable.

For some consolites, it was a grand opportunity to bash the crap out of PC, and to considerably shrink the PC exclusive library, they won't stop playing that angle that easily...

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

I never saw a post from you contributing something of value to the discussion at hand, so I'd say the word "joke" is in fact an accurate description of yourself and your childish insults :)

Rocker6

Of course you didn't, unless someone says something that praises the PC as the second coming of Christ Hermits will disregard it.

You're not helping your case.

As I said, here on SW, I never saw you form a cohesive arguement of any kind... :(

You can repeat yourself as many times as you like.

Won't make it any more relevant.:(

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

I thought Wasdie already put the Mac/PC/linux problem to rest

Rocker6

he made a thread. you still have to convince people that it's true.

Good luck with that!

Only a few suspensions for spam will convince most of them, many won't accept any words or explanations, no matter how convincing or reasonable.

For some consolites, it was a grand opportunity to bash the crap out of PC, and to considerably shrink the PC exclusive library, they won't stop playing that angle that easily...

it'll certainly help but it won't necessarily put it to rest. same deal with my "the pc is part of system wars" thread five years ago. it made a big difference but didn't stop everybody.