Hideo Kojima: Difference between next gen systems is small

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#1 shawn30
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http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/06/18/hideo-kojima-surprised-by-ps4s-cheap-price-talks-about-comparison-with-xbox-one-and-cameras/

"The difference is small, and I dont really need to worry about it. When you come right down to it, the PS4 is cheap (laughs). Though, I wonder about the inclusion of the camera

How shall Cows discredit Kojima :)

Lets collect the damage control hahahahaha

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#2 Riverwolf007
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ms paid kojima to say that.

:P

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http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/06/18/hideo-kojima-surprised-by-ps4s-cheap-price-talks-about-comparison-with-xbox-one-and-cameras/

"The difference is small, and I dont really need to worry about it. When you come right down to it, the PS4 is cheap (laughs). Though, I wonder about the inclusion of the camera

How shall Cows discredit Kojima :)

Lets collect the damage control hahahahaha

shawn30
Another butthurt lemming trying desperatly to get momentum for X-bone. Small or big , PS4 is ahead isnt ?!! hohoho!! You will eat dust in 6 months just wait a bit longer lemmings.
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#4 shawn30
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[QUOTE="shawn30"]

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/06/18/hideo-kojima-surprised-by-ps4s-cheap-price-talks-about-comparison-with-xbox-one-and-cameras/

"The difference is small, and I dont really need to worry about it. When you come right down to it, the PS4 is cheap (laughs). Though, I wonder about the inclusion of the camera

How shall Cows discredit Kojima :)

Lets collect the damage control hahahahaha

AzatiS

Another butthurt lemming trying desperatly to get momentum for X-bone. Small or big , PS4 is ahead isnt ?!! hohoho!! You will eat dust in 6 months just wait a bit longer lemmings.

Thanks. At least you didn't call him a liar, lol :)

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yeah sure the two next gen consoles are extremely similiar in design and architecture but the PS4 GPU has roughly 600 more GFLOPS then the XB1 GPU which actually shows in PS4's exclusives. 

 

Multiplats may not really show the difference much but PS4 exclusives most certainly will... the XB1 can never run The Sorcerer tech demo like the PS4 did

 

poor lemmings get stuck with a weak console, Forza and Titanfall dont even look good at all it looks like my morning dump 

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#6 NEWMAHAY
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its going to be a ps2/xbox difference.
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#7 Shewgenja
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The difference is $100.

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yeah sure the two next gen consoles are extremely similiar in design and architecture but the PS4 GPU has roughly 600 more GFLOPS then the XB1 GPU which actually shows in PS4's exclusives. 

 

Multiplats may not really show the difference much but PS4 exclusives most certainly will... the XB1 can never run The Sorcerer tech demo like the PS4 did

 

poor lemmings get stuck with a weak console, Forza and Titanfall dont even look good at all it looks like my morning dump 

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So do I trust the opinion of System Wars Level 8 poster "xboxiphoneps3" or the creator of the Metal Gear Solid series? Whoever shall I trust..... :) Thanks. Your damage control has been collected :)
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#9 shawn30
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The difference is $100.

Shewgenja
Cool. Thanks :)
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#10 Shewgenja
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[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

The difference is $100.

shawn30
Cool. Thanks :)

So, how did you like the 20GB PS3 at launch?
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We shall see. Consoles arn't out yet. Gen 1 games... We should start seeing the contrast at around Gen 3-4.

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#13 Obviously_Right
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The difference is $100.

Shewgenja

:lol: Win.

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The difference is $100.

Shewgenja

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#15 NEWMAHAY
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Ugh, I should have read the title. He was referring to the price.

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He wants people to buy his game as much as possible. He's hardly gonna say the X1 is poor in comparison if it hinders sales on that system

Oh he means price? nvm then

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Ps4 has a lot more power, specs don't lie, Kojima just doesn't want to pick sides

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We shall see. Consoles arn't out yet. Gen 1 games... We should start seeing the contrast at around Gen 3-4.

Truth_Hurts_U

You'll start seeing it right away.

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#20 Mrmedia01
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ms paid kojima to say that.

:P

Riverwolf007

 

He not going to say anything bad about MS. He was featured at MS E3 conference, so he wont say nothing negative about MS, because he is working side by side with MS and they are probably giving hikm extra money lol.

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#21 Chutebox
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50% is small?  Now lems love Kojima!?

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Ya'all acting like it's weird mysterious hardware and crap. Look at the difference between the 7770 and the 7850: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/1.html (using a driver comparison because its the best benchmark I can find with both) Small or big, that is the difference.
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#23 Chutebox
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He wants people to buy his game as much as possible. He's hardly gonna say the X1 is poor in comparison if it hinders sales on that system

Oh he means price? nvm then

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He talks about power too. He's being PC though.
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#24 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="hexashadow13"]Ya'all acting like it's weird mysterious hardware and crap. Look at the difference between the 7770 and the 7850: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/1.html (using a driver comparison because its the best benchmark I can find with both) Small or big, that is the difference.

That's not exactly a small difference.
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they are talking about the price not the power, we already know ps4 stomps on x1. But nice try shawn.

"Hideo Kojima Surprised by PS4s Cheap Price"

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Where did people get the spec's from and how do they know there legit has MS or Sony released offical spec for each machine, all I got is this

The Xbox One comes with a custom eight-core x86 CPU, 500GB Hard drive, 8GB of DDR3 RAM, USB 3.0, HDMI in and out ports, and WiFi

The Sony PS4 will feature a single-chip eight-core AMD "Jaguar " x86-64 APU with a Radeon based graphics engine, 8GB of GDDR5 RAM and a Blu-ray optical disc drive

How can you say the PS4 is more powerful, I see some people saying 50% more, they look about the same to me

So I'd believe Kojima more than other sources

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they are talking about the price not the power, we already know ps4 stomps on x1. But nice try shawn.

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The title of the thread was a little misleading
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#28 rjdofu
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This

The difference is $100.

Shewgenja
and this

50% is small?Chutebox

$100 cheaper and 50% stronger.

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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

He wants people to buy his game as much as possible. He's hardly gonna say the X1 is poor in comparison if it hinders sales on that system

Oh he means price? nvm then

Chutebox

He talks about power too. He's being PC though.

Then my first point stands

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[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

they are talking about the price not the power, we already know ps4 stomps on x1. But nice try shawn.

NEWMAHAY

The title of the thread was a little misleading

ofc it was, lem style,

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#31 campzor
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Well according to a lot of ppl the original xbox smoked the ps2 in the graphics department (cue: splinter cell screens?)

yet kojima said

Ahhh, the Xbox, the graphics are probably a little better, but the systems are pretty much the same, the Xbox and the PS2.Kojima

 

Just saying.

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[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]

yeah sure the two next gen consoles are extremely similiar in design and architecture but the PS4 GPU has roughly 600 more GFLOPS then the XB1 GPU which actually shows in PS4's exclusives. 

 

Multiplats may not really show the difference much but PS4 exclusives most certainly will... the XB1 can never run The Sorcerer tech demo like the PS4 did

 

poor lemmings get stuck with a weak console, Forza and Titanfall dont even look good at all it looks like my morning dump 

shawn30
So do I trust the opinion of System Wars Level 8 poster "xboxiphoneps3" or the creator of the Metal Gear Solid series? Whoever shall I trust..... :) Thanks. Your damage control has been collected :)

sure, Kojima can say whatever he wants, i mean he was at the MS E3 conference and IS a big partner with them, why would he say anything different then what he said? but the proofs already there man, the ps4 games shown at E3 looked noticeably better then what Xbox one had to offer (by the way the "Xbox One kiosks where actually PC's running on Nvidia GTX 700 series and windows 7 LOL) but the proofs already there man, the PS4 has a 1.84 teraflop GPU and the Xbox One has a 1.1 teraflop GPU (10% reserved for OS) and it showed in the games that were shown on both consoles... i dont understand why lemmings have to go to this extent, you know your "next gen console" is going to be weak, why not just buy another Windows product (PC) and have better looking games then TitanFall, which looks like a slightly upgraded CoD
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Imagine he came out and said something like this: "The PS4 is actually stronger than the Xbox One; our game therefore will perform better on the Ps4" Who the hell is gonna buy the X1 version anymore (given they have a choice btw the two)?
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Well according to a lot of ppl the original xbox smoked the ps2 in the graphics department (cue: splinter cell screens?)

yet kojima said

[quote="Kojima"]Ahhh, the Xbox, the graphics are probably a little better, but the systems are pretty much the same, the Xbox and the PS2.campzor

 

Just saying.

What else is Kojima going to say? he wont put down Microsoft when he is working with them, he has to save Microsofts face, he isnt going to say, "yeah the xbox one is noticeably weaker then the Ps4" no he wont say that because that would be terrible for him and Microsoft, so all microsoft did was pay him some money and told him to lie
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#35 shawn30
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[QUOTE="shawn30"][QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

The difference is $100.

Shewgenja
Cool. Thanks :)

So, how did you like the 20GB PS3 at launch?

PS3 didn't have games I wanted so I didn't buy it, and my pals weren't really interested either that I play online with. Didnt care about the price that much. And for the record, I do wish the Xbox One was cheaper. But I still see a great deal of value in it.
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#36 Supabul
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they are talking about the price not the power, we already know ps4 stomps on x1. But nice try shawn.

"Hideo Kojima Surprised by PS4s Cheap Price"

Krelian-co

He's talking about the power

"He went more in depth on the issue as part of a separate interview on 4Gamer, in which he also talked about the difference in power between the two consoles"

The difference is small, and I dont really need to worry about it. When you come right down to it, the PS4 is cheap (laughs). Though, I wonder about the inclusion of the camera

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Where did people get the spec's from and how do they know there legit has MS or Sony released offical spec for each machine, all I got is this

The Xbox One comes with a custom eight-core x86 CPU, 500GB Hard drive, 8GB of DDR3 RAM, USB 3.0, HDMI in and out ports, and WiFi

The Sony PS4 will feature a single-chip eight-core AMD "Jaguar " x86-64 APU with a Radeon based graphics engine, 8GB of GDDR5 RAM and a Blu-ray optical disc drive

How can you say the PS4 is more powerful, I see some people saying 50% more, they look about the same to me

So I'd believe Kojima more than other sources

Supabul

the PS4 has a 1.84 teraflop GPU, SAID BY SONY THEMSELVES, a Microsoft rep said that the Xbox one GPU has 768 stream processors which is in the range of a 7770/7790... Beyond 3d and VGaleaks also got it all right... stop being blind,

 

the xbox one GPU is using mediocre DDR3 ram, with a little ESRAM on the side which wont help much, the PS4 is using system wide GDDR5 ram, which provides much more bandwidth 

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[QUOTE="shawn30"][QUOTE="Shewgenja"][QUOTE="shawn30"] Cool. Thanks :)

So, how did you like the 20GB PS3 at launch?

PS3 didn't have games I wanted so I didn't buy it, and my pals weren't really interested either that I play online with. Didnt care about the price that much. And for the record, I do wish the Xbox One was cheaper. But I still see a great deal of value in it.

So you didn't see value in the 20g PS3 but you do in the x1?
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[QUOTE="campzor"]

Well according to a lot of ppl the original xbox smoked the ps2 in the graphics department (cue: splinter cell screens?)

yet kojima said

[quote="Kojima"]Ahhh, the Xbox, the graphics are probably a little better, but the systems are pretty much the same, the Xbox and the PS2.xboxiphoneps3

 

Just saying.

What else is Kojima going to say? he wont put down Microsoft when he is working with them, he has to save Microsofts face, he isnt going to say, "yeah the xbox one is noticeably weaker then the Ps4" no he wont say that because that would be terrible for him and Microsoft, so all microsoft did was pay him some money and told him to lie

why not? if i recall a LOT of devs pretty much bashed the ps3 this gen.
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#40 shawn30
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they are talking about the price not the power, we already know ps4 stomps on x1. But nice try shawn.

"Hideo Kojima Surprised by PS4s Cheap Price"

Krelian-co
No he meant the system power, but thanks Krelian :)
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[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"][QUOTE="campzor"]

Well according to a lot of ppl the original xbox smoked the ps2 in the graphics department (cue: splinter cell screens?)

yet kojima said

[quote="Kojima"]Ahhh, the Xbox, the graphics are probably a little better, but the systems are pretty much the same, the Xbox and the PS2.campzor

 

Just saying.

What else is Kojima going to say? he wont put down Microsoft when he is working with them, he has to save Microsofts face, he isnt going to say, "yeah the xbox one is noticeably weaker then the Ps4" no he wont say that because that would be terrible for him and Microsoft, so all microsoft did was pay him some money and told him to lie

why not? if i recall a LOT of devs pretty much bashed the ps3 this gen.

well considering the next MGS is going to be multiplat, Kojima isnt going to kill off some sales by saying something stupid about one console or the other
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[QUOTE="shawn30"][QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]

yeah sure the two next gen consoles are extremely similiar in design and architecture but the PS4 GPU has roughly 600 more GFLOPS then the XB1 GPU which actually shows in PS4's exclusives. 

 

Multiplats may not really show the difference much but PS4 exclusives most certainly will... the XB1 can never run The Sorcerer tech demo like the PS4 did

 

poor lemmings get stuck with a weak console, Forza and Titanfall dont even look good at all it looks like my morning dump 

xboxiphoneps3
So do I trust the opinion of System Wars Level 8 poster "xboxiphoneps3" or the creator of the Metal Gear Solid series? Whoever shall I trust..... :) Thanks. Your damage control has been collected :)

sure, Kojima can say whatever he wants, i mean he was at the MS E3 conference and IS a big partner with them, why would he say anything different then what he said? but the proofs already there man, the ps4 games shown at E3 looked noticeably better then what Xbox one had to offer (by the way the "Xbox One kiosks where actually PC's running on Nvidia GTX 700 series and windows 7 LOL) but the proofs already there man, the PS4 has a 1.84 teraflop GPU and the Xbox One has a 1.1 teraflop GPU (10% reserved for OS) and it showed in the games that were shown on both consoles... i dont understand why lemmings have to go to this extent, you know your "next gen console" is going to be weak, why not just buy another Windows product (PC) and have better looking games then TitanFall, which looks like a slightly upgraded CoD

Nah, I have seen box One games and feel they are equal or better than PS4 games. Until I see different the spoecs are what they are. But I don't play specs, I play games. I respect your opinion though. Nods
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="shawn30"][QUOTE="Shewgenja"] So, how did you like the 20GB PS3 at launch?

PS3 didn't have games I wanted so I didn't buy it, and my pals weren't really interested either that I play online with. Didnt care about the price that much. And for the record, I do wish the Xbox One was cheaper. But I still see a great deal of value in it.

So you didn't see value in the 20g PS3 but you do in the x1?

Fanboy goggles ;)
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[QUOTE="shawn30"]

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/06/18/hideo-kojima-surprised-by-ps4s-cheap-price-talks-about-comparison-with-xbox-one-and-cameras/

"The difference is small, and I dont really need to worry about it. When you come right down to it, the PS4 is cheap (laughs). Though, I wonder about the inclusion of the camera

How shall Cows discredit Kojima :)

Lets collect the damage control hahahahaha

AzatiS

Another butthurt lemming trying desperatly to get momentum for X-bone. Small or big , PS4 is ahead isnt ?!! hohoho!! You will eat dust in 6 months just wait a bit longer lemmings.

kojima is a butthurt lemming?

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[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"][QUOTE="shawn30"] So do I trust the opinion of System Wars Level 8 poster "xboxiphoneps3" or the creator of the Metal Gear Solid series? Whoever shall I trust..... :) Thanks. Your damage control has been collected :)shawn30
sure, Kojima can say whatever he wants, i mean he was at the MS E3 conference and IS a big partner with them, why would he say anything different then what he said? but the proofs already there man, the ps4 games shown at E3 looked noticeably better then what Xbox one had to offer (by the way the "Xbox One kiosks where actually PC's running on Nvidia GTX 700 series and windows 7 LOL) but the proofs already there man, the PS4 has a 1.84 teraflop GPU and the Xbox One has a 1.1 teraflop GPU (10% reserved for OS) and it showed in the games that were shown on both consoles... i dont understand why lemmings have to go to this extent, you know your "next gen console" is going to be weak, why not just buy another Windows product (PC) and have better looking games then TitanFall, which looks like a slightly upgraded CoD

Nah, I have seen box One games and feel they are equal or better than PS4 games. Until I see different the spoecs are what they are. But I don't play specs, I play games. I respect your opinion though. Nods

what i stated isnt opinions man its facts, actual facts from the industry nah man you just got microsoft rose goggles on, nothing at Xbox's E3 comes even close to The Sorcerer tech demo showed at the PS4 event running in REAL TIME ON A PS4 DEV KIT, expect a drop in graphics for the Xbox one buddy because what they showed at E3 was running on the new 700 series GTX cards running on Windows 7. im not really sure if your just trying to troll now or not im confused but like i said stop being so delusional.

 

the PS4 gpu has a 1.84 teraflop GPU and the Xbox One has a 1.1 teraflop GPU... bigg difference and you can see it in the PS4 exclusives like Infamous second son, which really feels like a NEXT next gen game compared to Titanfall and the other terrible games they showed at Xbox E3 

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#46 NaveedLife
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Superbly misleading topic title and such.  

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#47 GONtheSKYLORD
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Everyone who knew anything about computers knew the difference wouldnt be that much. The tech is just far too expensive and impractical to have the kind of leap we had from last to current gen.

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Everyone who knew anything about computers knew the difference wouldnt be that much. The tech is just far too expensive and impractical to have the kind of leap we had from last to current gen.

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but a 650 GFLOPS difference in GPU performance will most certainly start to show very soon
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Everyone who knew anything about computers knew the difference wouldnt be that much. The tech is just far too expensive and impractical to have the kind of leap we had from last to current gen.

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I think it was more about the power between the two consoles next gen rather than the leap from this gen to next gen.
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#50 Douevenlift_bro
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The difference is $100.

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