If you think Half-Life is better than Halo, come here.

OMG, a reviewer gives Halo a higher score than Half-Life, so it must be better, amirite?!?! Nope. I have my own opinion, and I believe that Half-Life was more revolutionary than Halo CE and a much better game.princeofshapeir

And another thing, I don't say it must be better or something, Halo just deserves much more praise that it has got. It's just constantly flamed.

[QUOTE="Wombatringo"]

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

Shed more tears of sorrow.

Halo > Half-Life.

Go read Halo's featured Wiki side, written from an entirely neutral point. It's generally known as one of the most important and greatest titles in gaming history.

SODRChief

And for your Wiki comment..please. Its impossible to be entirely neutral, everyone lends bias towards their opinions, thats why reviews are often so drastically different.

Wiki comment = completely non fanboyish, since it's a fact.

And I have played PC fps, they're not as good as most people here state.

Half-Life didn't much more than being a good FPS. Halo was a good FPS and rewrote the FPS rule. You barely see any FPS now that is mainly produced for the PC. This is a result of Halo.

"Some PC gaming elitists tried brushing the game off, insisting that a first-person shooter on consoles could never approach the quality of the computer equivalent of such a game. But Halo really did have it all, and first-person shooter enthusiasts who missed out on it missed out on a landmark achievement in action gaming that ranks right up there with the likes of Doom and Half-Life. Halo is not just one of the all-time best launch games for a game system; it's simply one of the best games ever made." - GameSpot

Stop trying to spin the facts, PC fans and all other bashing Halo and calling it overrated and that it's just "good on consoles". Take off the fanboy googles and realizt facts.

"...its numerous subtle innovations have been borrowed by countless other games since" - GameSpot

Halo gave inspiration to all thes FPSs. If Halo wouldn't exist, there would have been thousands of thousdands of less FPSs.

It's funny because if the Halo and Half-Life games were re-reviewed now the Half-life games would score much higher, because nearly all of us now know that the original Halo is boring to play through since it's such a souless and generic shooter. Sure, Halo was fun back in the day but the fun factor certainly wears thin after a while.

"Some PC gaming elitists tried brushing the game off, insisting that a first-person shooter on consoles could never approach the quality of the computer equivalent of such a game. But Halo really did have it all, and first-person shooter enthusiasts who missed out on it missed out on a landmark achievement in action gaming that ranks right up there with the likes of Doom and Half-Life. Halo is not just one of the all-time best launch games for a game system; it's simply one of the best games ever made." - GameSpot

Stop trying to spin the facts, PC fans and all other bashing Halo and calling it overrated and that it's just "good on consoles". Take off the fanboy googles and realizt facts.

"...its numerous subtle innovations have been borrowed by countless other games since" - GameSpot

Halo gave inspiration to all thes FPSs. If Halo wouldn't exist, there would have been thousands of thousdands of less FPSs.

SODRChief

Notice how many times I used the word 'opinion'? You should look up the definition and think of letting this thread die here.

It's funny because if the Halo and Half-Life games were re-reviewed now the Half-life games would score much higher, because nearly all of us now know that the original Halo is boring to play through since it's such a souless and generic shooter. Sure, Halo was fun back in the day but the fun factor certainly wears thin after a while.

ryan_returns29

It's funny because if the Halo and Half-Life games were re-reviewed now the Half-life games would score much higher, because nearly all of us now know that the original Halo is boring to play through since it's such a souless and generic shooter. Sure, Halo was fun back in the day but the fun factor certainly wears thin after a while.

ryan_returns29

Yeah, very generic, except it owns Half-Life.

"Turns out you guys do know a good game when you see one. You all picked Halo as your favorite action title of 2001, presumably because it was exciting and engaging from beginning to end and changed the way first person shooters are going to be measured." IGN

Keep them coming. You can't spin the imortance or excellence of the hit that is Halo. Keep trying, though. havent had a good laugh in some time

[QUOTE="ryan_returns29"]

It's funny because if the Halo and Half-Life games were re-reviewed now the Half-life games would score much higher, because nearly all of us now know that the original Halo is boring to play through since it's such a souless and generic shooter. Sure, Halo was fun back in the day but the fun factor certainly wears thin after a while.

SODRChief

Yeah, very generic, except it owns Half-Life.

"Turns out you guys do know a good game when you see one. You all picked Halo as your favorite action title of 2001, presumably because it was exciting and engaging from beginning to end and changed the way first person shooters are going to be measured." IGN

Keep them coming. You can't spin the imortance or excellence of the hit that is Halo. Keep trying, though. havent had a good laugh in some time

It's quite simple:

If you have an IQ below 50, then you'll prefer the mindless fun of Halo.

If you have an IQ above 50 then you'll prefer thebeautifully-crafted Half-Life.

Don't believe me? Take a look at the OP's message. Bare witness to the sheer intelligence of his arguement. :roll:

fried_eggs

Your post insults me. I have an IQ of 53 and I prefer Halo.

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

[QUOTE="ryan_returns29"]

It's funny because if the Halo and Half-Life games were re-reviewed now the Half-life games would score much higher, because nearly all of us now know that the original Halo is boring to play through since it's such a souless and generic shooter. Sure, Halo was fun back in the day but the fun factor certainly wears thin after a while.

ryan_returns29

Yeah, very generic, except it owns Half-Life.

"Turns out you guys do know a good game when you see one. You all picked Halo as your favorite action title of 2001, presumably because it was exciting and engaging from beginning to end and changed the way first person shooters are going to be measured." IGN

Keep them coming. You can't spin the imortance or excellence of the hit that is Halo. Keep trying, though. havent had a good laugh in some time

Maybe I have played both and have an own opinion? Like you state Halo is generic when clearly millions of people and critics disagree...?

[QUOTE="ryan_returns29"]

It's funny because if the Halo and Half-Life games were re-reviewed now the Half-life games would score much higher, because nearly all of us now know that the original Halo is boring to play through since it's such a souless and generic shooter. Sure, Halo was fun back in the day but the fun factor certainly wears thin after a while.

SODRChief

Yeah, very generic, except it owns Half-Life.

"Turns out you guys do know a good game when you see one. You all picked Halo as your favorite action title of 2001, presumably because it was exciting and engaging from beginning to end and changed the way first person shooters are going to be measured." IGN

Keep them coming. You can't spin the imortance or excellence of the hit that is Halo. Keep trying, though. havent had a good laugh in some time

Maybe I have played both and have an own opinion? Like you state Halo is generic when clearly millions of people and critics disagree...?

SODRChief

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

Maybe I have played both and have an own opinion? Like you state Halo is generic when clearly millions of people and critics disagree...?

markop2003

No, it's just that they disagree and so do the critics. GameSpot called COnduit generic and it scored 6.5. If Halo was generic it would have scored in that score region, as well. Too bad for you it did a 9.7

Halo was quite a way below averagemarkop2003

[QUOTE="ryan_returns29"][QUOTE="SODRChief"]

Yeah, very generic, except it owns Half-Life.

"Turns out you guys do know a good game when you see one. You all picked Halo as your favorite action title of 2001, presumably because it was exciting and engaging from beginning to end and changed the way first person shooters are going to be measured." IGN

Keep them coming. You can't spin the imortance or excellence of the hit that is Halo. Keep trying, though. havent had a good laugh in some time

SODRChief

Maybe I have played both and have an own opinion? Like you state Halo is generic when clearly millions of people and critics disagree...?

[QUOTE="markop2003"]Halo was quite a way below average-GeordiLaForge-

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

[QUOTE="ryan_returns29"]You say it "owns" Half-Life...but how? You keep posting these things about the game being revolutionary but you've gotta remember that Half-Life was more revolutionary and it came out first. I think you just need to learn that other people have opinions...by laughing at someone's opinion it just proves that you're ignorant.ryan_returns29

Maybe I have played both and have an own opinion? Like you state Halo is generic when clearly millions of people and critics disagree...?

No, Halo has a very BIG community of very many players.

It's just because the awesome features, good community and excellent MP Halo offers. I don't think they'd love Half-Life...

[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="SODRChief"]

Maybe I have played both and have an own opinion? Like you state Halo is generic when clearly millions of people and critics disagree...?

SODRChief

No, it's just that they disagree and so do the critics. GameSpot called COnduit generic and it scored 6.5. If Halo was generic it would have scored in that score region, as well. Too bad for you it did a 9.7

[QUOTE="markop2003"]Halo was quite a way below average-GeordiLaForge-

It's confusing that people passionate games and who rate Half Life can see reason to knock Halo. Its unfortunate that the Halo brand has been somewhat tarnished by its recent 2 incarnations, however the original Halo - be you PC or console gamer - was a fantastic game in every sense.

[QUOTE="ryan_returns29"]

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

Maybe I have played both and have an own opinion? Like you state Halo is generic when clearly millions of people and critics disagree...?

SODRChief

No, Halo has a very BIG community of very many players.

It's just because the awesome features, good community and excellent MP Halo offers. I don't think they'd love Half-Life...

i think this thread packs some serious ownage, i can feel hermits tears "buh buh console cawnt haz good FPS i am criez :cry:"

TC defines the halo fanboy stereotype.

HL has a much better narrative nuff said most people would agree, thats where it kicks halo's ass up and down the ring.Also its got a lot of non-shooter elements like puzzles which are really nice halo doesnt really have that cause its nice to have diffrent little quirks in games.Besides Half life 2 (orange box) was a good buy on PS3 even though loads are pretty bad i still got endless hours of enjoyment.

But Half life is a better game imo, and reviewers are just paid opinions really so yes they will differ its a good idea to put down the fight now cause your really fighting a loosing battle with common sense and logic with a lot of posters.

[QUOTE="RenegadeSynapse"]

Let's pull something from the review of the PC version of Halo that should settle a couple of things here:

Halo: Combat Evolved Review for PC

"But in spite of all that, and in spite of the very high standards for first-person shooters on the PC, Halo is still an incredible action game. It's a true ****c--a game that hasn't lost any of its impact and intensity over time. "

Halo on PC scored a 9.0, whereas Half-Life scored 9.4. This quote from above establishes two things: standards for FPS games on PC ARE much higher and the tone of the review suggests that Halo on PC would have received the same or a similar score were it released at the same time as the Xbox version. Therefore, on even ground (the PC), Half-Life is the superior game.

SODRChief

Half-Life was lower-scoring on consoles, therefore consoles have higher standard. LMAO, logic.

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

[QUOTE="RenegadeSynapse"]

Let's pull something from the review of the PC version of Halo that should settle a couple of things here:

Halo: Combat Evolved Review for PC

"But in spite of all that, and in spite of the very high standards for first-person shooters on the PC, Halo is still an incredible action game. It's a true ****c--a game that hasn't lost any of its impact and intensity over time. "

Halo on PC scored a 9.0, whereas Half-Life scored 9.4. This quote from above establishes two things: standards for FPS games on PC ARE much higher and the tone of the review suggests that Halo on PC would have received the same or a similar score were it released at the same time as the Xbox version. Therefore, on even ground (the PC), Half-Life is the superior game.

LookAnDrolL

Half-Life was lower-scoring on consoles, therefore consoles have higher standard. LMAO, logic.

Fail, by your logic consoles have higher standards. And yet, Halo outscored Half-Life.

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

[QUOTE="ryan_returns29"]As I said there's no way to truly prove that Halo is better than Half-Life from a critics stand-point unless both the games are re-reviewed. Also you'll probably notice that 90% of these "millions of people" haven't even played Half-Life so they wouldn't even know...most of these people started out with an Xbox as their first console so they don't know any better.

thespywholied

No, Halo has a very BIG community of very many players.

It's just because the awesome features, good community and excellent MP Halo offers. I don't think they'd love Half-Life...

Half-Life has a community?

[QUOTE="thespywholied"]

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

No, Halo has a very BIG community of very many players.

It's just because the awesome features, good community and excellent MP Halo offers. I don't think they'd love Half-Life...

SODRChief

Half-Life has a community?

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

[QUOTE="thespywholied"] The half life community is bigger then the sea. :)

supercubedude64

Half-Life has a community?

No, I'm serious. It has?

I thought people finished the game once and then never looked at it again. Am I somehow wrong?

No, I'm serious. It has?

I thought people finished the game once and then never looked at it again. Am I somehow wrong?

SODRChief

You have just negated your entire thread with that statement right there.

The Half-Life Community is massive...both online and off, and it shows how little you actually know about the game you're trying to put down.

Halo CE came out three years after Half-Life, and contains many gameplay elements that were borrowed from it. If Half-Life had never existed, Halo CE might have been quite a different game. Half-Life 2's physics and polished, linear experience provided the template for this entire generation of FPS gaming. To say one is better than the other is a matter of opinion, but to use a review score as the end-all-be-all between two games that are frankly both parts of the same continuum is a beyond odd.

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System Wars continues to disappoint me in this regard. When given two games that are clearly part of a "school of gaming", such as Prototype and Infamous, or Half-Life and Halo, System Wars says "ah, these two things must be at war!". War? Bungie was inspired by Valve, and Valve by Bungie - the FPS genre is a collective ideas in which each developer's "next step" becomes the testing ground for something new. It's not a simple "better or worse" - it's a continuation.

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And if anyone wants to dismiss that, they've already admitted that they've lost the argument. If you don't love gaming enough to set aside fanboyism for the greater good, then you don't love gaming enough to comment on its best games.

subrosian

I started playing Half Life 2 about a couple of days ago (I bought the Orange Box). From what I've played HL2 is miles better than Halo.

I started playing Half Life 2 about a couple of days ago (I bought the Orange Box). From what I've played HL2 is miles better than Halo.

bc1391

Seriously SODRChief the more of these threads you participate in, the more you dig your own grave. You're entitled to have an opinion, but declaring it so dispicably as infalible is just not in good taste. Lay off it.

[QUOTE="bc1391"]

I started playing Half Life 2 about a couple of days ago (I bought the Orange Box). From what I've played HL2 is miles better than Halo.

subrosian

There is one thing that makes Halo much better than Half Life. Coop. Going through the Halo campaign is a ton of fun with a friend. Something Halo CE on PC couldn't do either.Jamex1987

[QUOTE="supercubedude64"][QUOTE="SODRChief"]

Half-Life has a community?

No, I'm serious. It has?

I thought people finished the game once and then never looked at it again. Am I somehow wrong?

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="bc1391"]

I started playing Half Life 2 about a couple of days ago (I bought the Orange Box). From what I've played HL2 is miles better than Halo.

bc1391

if u advrage all the halo games u lose *cough halo wars

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

[QUOTE="supercubedude64"] PalmOn: Apply directly to forehead.sSubZerOo

No, I'm serious. It has?

I thought people finished the game once and then never looked at it again. Am I somehow wrong?

Lol I still play 1.7 >< And team fortress from time to time.

Those scores are meaningless

one person reviews a game, so if they like one over the other they are bound to rate it higher.

More people like Half Life though and i agree with them, the game has more substance.

perfect_chao

I honestly dont think HL 1 or 2 sold more than any of the Halo's... And everyone has a PC that can run HL and probably HL2...