Is there any purpose for dual analog anymore?

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"]Speed, is something I'll give you, but accuracy and precision are still going to be subjective. There are people out there who can be more accurate with the stick than with a mouse. If those people exist, then it isn't a fact that it is more precise even if you and I think it is. They both have handicaps, and to most people the dual analog has more, but some people can overcome the dual analog handicaps better than the handicaps of the mouse even if for the majority the handicaps on the mouse are smaller. I personally agree teh mouse and KB IS a better option for FPSs, but I am recognizing the fact that that isn't a universal feeling. That is what I am arguing against, the claims of things be an absolute when they are not. Also, the discussion goes beyond just FPSs too. Steppy_76

Accuracy and Precision are not subjective in this comparison it is a fact that a mouse is more accuracte and precise then a analog stick. Just think about the techinical aspects of a mouse compared to an analog stick. There is more degrees of control with a mouse then there is on an analog stick period. That's not even up for discussion.

Explain to me what handicap a mouse has in FPS? It doesn't have aim assist, auto aim, or sticky aim. Your aim is your aim. Analog sticks in FPS have to have handicaps out of mere playability.

Your preference means nothing. I don't care about your opinions. There is no way in hell that you could possibly prove that a mouse an tool that has movement on the precision of a pixel is not more accuracte and precise then an analog stick.

I'd love to see how long it would take you to even draw that simple picture via a analog stick compared to a mouse. You don't have to be exact but I'd just love to watch someone attempt to draw that picture with dual analogs compared to a mouse. That is an example of the difference in control from the mouse and an analog.

You're talking theoretical vs. real world. For the overwhelming majority(myself included) that is the case. There are however some people who would be able to draw that picture better and faster with DA than with KB/M. A lamborghini is faster than a hummer in theoretics correct? What happens when your race is an offroad race with large rocks that need to be driven over? The hummer will finish the race and be faster than the lambo in that situation. The real world has limitations that can handicap the "better" thing to where it no longer performs better "in practice". Once again, this argument also wasn't limited to JUST FPS's.

Know I'm not talking theoretical. What you are doing in a FPS is moving your targeting reticle and aiming. Using a mouse to follow that path shows a superior tool in aiming over an inferior tool of aiming in that of an analog. That picture is nothing but lines on a screen. Following it with a mouse wouldn't be hard at all as the mouse allows for more precise movement, speed, accuarcy and precision. You could not do that with a analog effectively. You are bringing in race cars and other analogies that don't even involve either control setup let alone have to do with video games.

Using a mouse I have capabilities that far exceed that of someone using an analog stick. I have more freedom, I'm not limited or constricted, I am not effectived accidently when the handicaps kick in. With a mouse I have full and total control self reliant on my own skills and not the ones instilled by the game that assist me.

• Speed
• Accuracy
• Precision

Its a fact that you cannot argue. A mouse beats an analog stick at all 3. Its not even up for debate. If it wasn't a fact then why do dual analog shooters rely on the handicaps? Why don't you use MS Paint with an analog stick? Why don't you use a computer with an analog stick?

Why is the KB/M set up still around? Its extremely limited to a few genres...MachineLike7

[QUOTE="MachineLike7"]Why is the KB/M set up still around? Its extremely limited to a few genres...Captain__Tripps

I would think an analog stick along with pressure sensative triggers simulates driving better than the mouse and keyboard, and what's best for an rpg depends entirely on how the game is designed.

[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"][QUOTE="MachineLike7"]Why is the KB/M set up still around? Its extremely limited to a few genres...topgunmv

Tired old argument.

I can play with both mouse and keyboard and a dual stick controller just fine.

I will admit that getting used to a controller to play FPS can be tough at first. But simply because you suck at it doesn't mean it is bad.

Of course a wheel would be better, it would be better for arcade racers too, but that was not the subject of this particular disagreement. How would a keyboard be better for an arcade racer than an analog stick? In regards to simulating anything that requires steering (cars, planes) I would think an analog stick would be a better representation. Also, one of the major complaints facing oblivian and morrowind was that the interfaces seemed better suited to consoles than computers.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]I would think an analog stick along with pressure sensative triggers simulates driving better than the mouse and keyboard, and what's best for an rpg depends entirely on how the game is designed.

[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"] FPS, RTS, RPG, Simulation, TP action games, arcade racers, adventure... In the case of fps/rts/rpg/sim its vastly superior so thats why its still around. Captain__Tripps

[QUOTE="jakarai"]I am fine with dual analog set up. goblaa

Only because you've grown acustom to it. It's still inferior.

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[QUOTE="jakarai"]I am fine with dual analog set up. Phazevariance

Only because you've grown acustom to it. It's still inferior.

I would think an analog stick along with pressure sensative triggers simulates driving better than the mouse and keyboard, and what's best for an rpg depends entirely on how the game is designed.

[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"][QUOTE="MachineLike7"]Why is the KB/M set up still around? Its extremely limited to a few genres...topgunmv

Nah, Just point and click text adventures and rts's.

The rest are far better using controllers.

Playing action games like Ninja Gaiden would work real well with a m/kb i bet :|beast667

[QUOTE="beast667"]Playing action games like Ninja Gaiden would work real well with a m/kb i bet :|dark-warmachine

[QUOTE="dark-warmachine"][QUOTE="beast667"]Playing action games like Ninja Gaiden would work real well with a m/kb i bet :|Captain__Tripps

I'm not familiar with PC gaming because i've never had one that is powerful enough to support real gaming (i didn't have RollerCoasterTycoon 3). Although i've heard PCs are known for their FPS. My question is do you get that same interactive feeling. When a building blows up or you shoot your gun does the mouse rumble (i don't know if they make mouses like that), can you feel when you've just sniped someone. It just seems a lot duller moving a mouse around and clicking on stuff to shoot at it. As i said I am not familiar with PC gaming so I really wouldn't know. I also heard you can connect an xbox controller to game on your PC is that true. I'd love to get a few PC only games like Crysis, would it work on an xp pentium 4 dell laptop?Gsmith92

Ya know, when I first started this topic, it wasn't about gamepads vs M/KB...it wasn't even closely about gamepads vs M/KB. But that didn't stop all the hermits from hijacking my thread.goblaa

[QUOTE="goblaa"]Ya know, when I first started this topic, it wasn't about gamepads vs M/KB...it wasn't even closely about gamepads vs M/KB. But that didn't stop all the hermits from hijacking my thread.dark-warmachine

i personally really like dual analog A LOT, i'm sure other people do too. I think as far as consoles go, it's one of the best things to happen to consoles. It definately enhances the experience for nhl09littlestreakier

Gamers are slow to evolve, and set in their ways until they are forced into change. I like the 360s dual analog controls the most as well, but even I admit that they are going the way of the dinosaur. After pressing the stick forward for 90% of the time ones thumbs tend to get sore and need resetting which can cause interruptions in the gameplay be it ever so slight.

The future is going to be virtual control, like Tom Cruise in that movie where they saw the future and arrested the criminal before the crime occurred. Two gloves with no pointer, sticks, buttons, k/m. just you moving your hands in natural situations and hologram keyboard pop up. Then that will be replaced by brain control for the best and easiest control of all.

Lol, sheep. :lol: At best, all dual-analog controllers will have tilt/motion control features included, like the SIXAXIS, but there's no way in hell Sony and MS are going to adopt such an embarassingly ridiculous control scheme like the Wiimote and get rid of conventional controllers. It's a gimmick, it always has been. I remember in September 2005, when I was still a Nintendo fan, so excited about the "Revolution" and what the big secret about the controller was. People were expecting something like a buttonless, touchpad controller, or something with gyros inside. Then I find out it's a freakin' remote.

Things like rumble and analog sticks were easily adaptable to the conventional controller, which is why they were added so quickly. And some form of motion sensing will be adapted into the conventional, dual-analog controller, but it's not gonna be replaced by an idiotic nunchuck/waggle design any time soon. Still...:lol: at the thought of it.GinoNYC

dual analog is great, lets see sony trying to change the controller in any way and we will see how Playstation owners react....

oh wait they did try to sell us a bannana and it didnt work

[QUOTE="littlestreakier"]i personally really like dual analog A LOT, i'm sure other people do too. I think as far as consoles go, it's one of the best things to happen to consoles. It definately enhances the experience for nhl09GinoNYC