Is there any purpose for dual analog anymore?

Alternative energy sources are probably the future though, so an alternative now could be the future... in the future.Mysterious_Kid

[QUOTE="Mysterious_Kid"] Alternative energy sources are probably the future though, so an alternative now could be the future... in the future.Dante2710

Again, no one here is talking about motion controllers. Only you are. The rest of us are talking about pointers.

All these users posting with default avatars are annoying me. I cant tell the difference, i hate having to read names! Ugh... Anyway, i love dual analog. Ill admit the only shooter ive played on the Wii is Red Steele, so you cant blame me for not being very impressed. But ive played my fair share of PC shooters and I still prefer the good old gamepad.-DrRobotnik-

[QUOTE="Dante2710"][QUOTE="Mysterious_Kid"] Alternative energy sources are probably the future though, so an alternative now could be the future... in the future.goblaa

Again, no one here is talking about motion controllers. Only you are. The rest of us are talking about pointers.

All these users posting with default avatars are annoying me. I cant tell the difference, i hate having to read names! Ugh... Anyway, i love dual analog. Ill admit the only shooter ive played on the Wii is Red Steele, so you cant blame me for not being very impressed. But ive played my fair share of PC shooters and I still prefer the good old gamepad.-DrRobotnik-

I have a New Generic Avatar!

[QUOTE="Mysterious_Kid"] Alternative energy sources are probably the future though, so an alternative now could be the future... in the future.Dante2710

Don't be afraid of change.

Back when the first Macintosh OS came out, I am sure there were people like you who refuse to use the new UI, and stuck to the commandline.

But in the end, more people switch to the UI, and it also introduced more people to computers with the easier interface.

Was that a good analagy?

@Mysterious_Kid

i always go by "dont fix it if it isnt broken" i have yet to have any complains with K/M or dual analogs in this case, and a different UI is more of a software update, a different controller is hardware related

@Mysterious_Kid

i always go by "dont fix it if it isnt broken" i have yet to have any complains with K/M or dual analogs in this case, and a different UI is more of a software update, a different controller is hardware related

Dante2710

u're arguing that gaming on keyboard and mouse comes "naturally" ? oh rofflesJPOBS

[QUOTE="jakarai"]I am fine with dual analog set up. goblaa

Only because you've grown acustom to it. It's still inferior.

Inferior? Humm...thats a matter of opinion I would think. A lot of pc fanboys come here trying to sell the fact that m/k are easy and you can aim faster and all.."i agree to some degree"..But...If Im so good with a gamepad that I can own people the way I do "sometimes' then dont that make me better than a pc gamer? I mean...THE gamepad is harder to aim with right? Its slower and not as percise right?

All games does not equal fps

controller is much better then mouse and keyboard when you consider all games and not just the over made (this gen) shooters

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

[QUOTE="jakarai"]

Only because you've grown acustom to it. It's still inferior.

FunkyHeadHunter

Inferior? Humm...thats a matter of opinion I would think. A lot of pc fanboys come here trying to sell the fact that m/k are easy and you can aim faster and all.."i agree to some degree"..But...If Im so good with a gamepad that I can own people the way I do "sometimes' then dont that make me better than a pc gamer? I mean...THE gamepad is harder to aim with right? Its slower and not as percise right?

But you are doing so because of auto-aim.

The gamepad is harder to aim, but the so called "maximum skill" you can use from a gamepad is much lower than a mouse + keyboard.

In other words. Mouse + Keyboard easy to learn, harder to master. Gamepad hard to learn, easy to master.

All games does not equal fps

controller is much better then mouse and keyboard when you consider all games and not just the over made (this gen) shooters

PrinceofSarcasm

Yes, but the games and genres gamepad is better at than mouse + keyboard does not really need a second analog stick.

[QUOTE="LastRedMage"]

sorry but when i play video games i like to lounge on my couch with the controllor over my head and behind my back

goblaa

Wow, that's a new one. :P

I play mostly on the wii these days. With a shooter, I sit in a lazyboy with the nunchuck rested on my genitles and the wiimote rested on the arm rest or my lap. (not kidding). And if I'm playing a game without the nunchuck, there's a drink in that hand. One handed gaming rocks.

my SECOND POINT: What games are you playing? the Wii is kind of LACKING in games, honestly i can't think of one that you could be playing

[QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="LastRedMage"]

sorry but when i play video games i like to lounge on my couch with the controllor over my head and behind my back

LastRedMage

Wow, that's a new one. :P

I play mostly on the wii these days. With a shooter, I sit in a lazyboy with the nunchuck rested on my genitles and the wiimote rested on the arm rest or my lap. (not kidding). And if I'm playing a game without the nunchuck, there's a drink in that hand. One handed gaming rocks.

my SECOND POINT: What games are you playing? the Wii is kind of LACKING in games, honestly i can't think of one that you could be playing

Right now, CoD and deBlob...along with the usual stuff like Mario Kart wii online. Gamefly also just sent me Sam and Max...but I;m not really enjoying it. I think I'm just not a telltale person. :(

All games does not equal fps

controller is much better then mouse and keyboard when you consider all games and not just the over made (this gen) shooters

PrinceofSarcasm

And we've gone over this many times in the past 200 posts. Two analog stick isn't really needed for any genre excpet shooters, and any pointing device (be it mouse, wii, touch screen, whatever) is just going to be better.

[QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"]

All games does not equal fps

controller is much better then mouse and keyboard when you consider all games and not just the over made (this gen) shooters

goblaa

And we've gone over this many times in the past 200 posts. Two analog stick isn't really needed for any genre excpet shooters, and any pointing device (be it mouse, wii, touch screen, whatever) is just going to be better.

Two analog sticks are needed and since you included shooters, I'll add action-aventure games, RPGs, and 3d platformers.

I see it as easier to move around when i want to go somewhere with my game system i don't have to wrap up my keyboard and mouse so i can play a game of call of duty.cs45F

I see it as easier to move around when i want to go somewhere with my game system i don't have to wrap up my keyboard and mouse so i can play a game of call of duty.cs45F

[QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"]

All games does not equal fps

controller is much better then mouse and keyboard when you consider all games and not just the over made (this gen) shooters

dark-warmachine

And we've gone over this many times in the past 200 posts. Two analog stick isn't really needed for any genre excpet shooters, and any pointing device (be it mouse, wii, touch screen, whatever) is just going to be better.

Two analog sticks are needed and since you included shooters, I'll add action-aventure games, RPGs, and 3d platformers.

First of all, I can't think of a single RPG that needs two sticks. Hell, most JRPGs run off a dpad still. 3D action/adventures games (which I've gone over many times in this topic) have gotten to a point where all the good ones have such great camera that you barely ever need to manipulate them. Some platformers have such perfect camera they take the camera control away entirely. A well made 3D game shouldn't requireyou to interupt the game messing with the camera just to get a good view.

[QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"]

All games does not equal fps

controller is much better then mouse and keyboard when you consider all games and not just the over made (this gen) shooters

dark-warmachine

And we've gone over this many times in the past 200 posts. Two analog stick isn't really needed for any genre excpet shooters, and any pointing device (be it mouse, wii, touch screen, whatever) is just going to be better.

Two analog sticks are needed and since you included shooters, I'll add action-aventure games, RPGs, and 3d platformers.

No No No No No.

For FPSes, mouse + keyboard has superior performance than dual analogs.

For the rest of the genres you stated, good ones have good camera which means no need for second analog, stated in the OP.

[QUOTE="cs45F"]I see it as easier to move around when i want to go somewhere with my game system i don't have to wrap up my keyboard and mouse so i can play a game of call of duty.Mysterious_Kid

[QUOTE="cs45F"]I see it as easier to move around when i want to go somewhere with my game system i don't have to wrap up my keyboard and mouse so i can play a game of call of duty.LastRedMage

And you're still under the impression that I'm advocating replacing the gamepad with mouse and keyboard. You still have once again missed the entire point of this topis. I'm not talking about M/KB. I'm talking about the second anaolg stick.

Pleas please please just read the topic.

[QUOTE="Mysterious_Kid"][QUOTE="cs45F"]I see it as easier to move around when i want to go somewhere with my game system i don't have to wrap up my keyboard and mouse so i can play a game of call of duty.LastRedMage

I think dual analog sticks are useful for more complex action games. I don't think other control schemes would work as well with this particular genre.redCloudJ7

[QUOTE="dark-warmachine"][QUOTE="goblaa"]

And we've gone over this many times in the past 200 posts. Two analog stick isn't really needed for any genre excpet shooters, and any pointing device (be it mouse, wii, touch screen, whatever) is just going to be better.

goblaa

Two analog sticks are needed and since you included shooters, I'll add action-aventure games, RPGs, and 3d platformers.

First of all, I can't think of a single RPG that needs two sticks. Hell, most JRPGs run off a dpad still. 3D action/adventures games (which I've gone over many times in this topic) have gotten to a point where all the good ones have such great camera that you barely ever need to manipulate them. Some platformers have such perfect camera they take the camera control away entirely. A well made 3D game shouldn't requireyou to interupt the game messing with the camera just to get a good view.

Honestly your arguments are so stupid Mouse & keyboard is more precise, Who cares i don't need to be precise

Mouse & keyboard is easier to learn so what tons of people know how to use dual sticks, and can learn pretty easily.

you don't need to control the camera in Action/Adventure games, so what, i want to change the camera, do you have a problem with that?

[QUOTE="redCloudJ7"]I think dual analog sticks are useful for more complex action games. I don't think other control schemes would work as well with this particular genre.Mysterious_Kid

[QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="dark-warmachine"]

Two analog sticks are needed and since you included shooters, I'll add action-aventure games, RPGs, and 3d platformers.

LastRedMage

First of all, I can't think of a single RPG that needs two sticks. Hell, most JRPGs run off a dpad still. 3D action/adventures games (which I've gone over many times in this topic) have gotten to a point where all the good ones have such great camera that you barely ever need to manipulate them. Some platformers have such perfect camera they take the camera control away entirely. A well made 3D game shouldn't requireyou to interupt the game messing with the camera just to get a good view.

Honestly your arguments are so stupid Mouse & keyboard is more precise, Who cares i don't need to be precise

Mouse & keyboard is easier to learn so what tons of people know how to use dual sticks, and can learn pretty easily.

you don't need to control the camera in Action/Adventure games, so what, i want to change the camera, do you have a problem with that?

That's fine if you're happy with it. The point is it's still an inferior system to any pointer device that could easily (and hopefully) be integrated in to next gen gamepads.

"Honestly your arguments are so stupid Mouse & keyboard is more precise, Who cares i don't need to be precise


Mouse & keyboard is easier to learn so what tons of people know how to use dual sticks, and can learn pretty easily.


you don't need to control the camera in Action/Adventure games, so what, i want to change the camera, do you have a problem with that?"

I can name a few people who like to use the D pad, just as you can name a few people who like dual analogs.

It wouldn't be stupid to have one analog, as it opens room for innovation, and something better can replace that analog stick.

Even more tons of people know how to use a mouse + keyboard.

No, I have no problem with you changing the camera, but when you do, what do you do it for?

[QUOTE="redCloudJ7"][QUOTE="Mysterious_Kid"][QUOTE="redCloudJ7"]I think dual analog sticks are useful for more complex action games. I don't think other control schemes would work as well with this particular genre.LastRedMage

There was a similar arguement, a few pages up. Read it if you want a response.

[QUOTE="LastRedMage"][QUOTE="goblaa"]

First of all, I can't think of a single RPG that needs two sticks. Hell, most JRPGs run off a dpad still. 3D action/adventures games (which I've gone over many times in this topic) have gotten to a point where all the good ones have such great camera that you barely ever need to manipulate them. Some platformers have such perfect camera they take the camera control away entirely. A well made 3D game shouldn't requireyou to interupt the game messing with the camera just to get a good view.

goblaa

Honestly your arguments are so stupid Mouse & keyboard is more precise, Who cares i don't need to be precise

Mouse & keyboard is easier to learn so what tons of people know how to use dual sticks, and can learn pretty easily.

you don't need to control the camera in Action/Adventure games, so what, i want to change the camera, do you have a problem with that?

That's fine if you're happy with it. The point is it's still an inferior system to any pointer device that could easily (and hopefully) be integrated in to next gen gamepads.

INFERIOR? Where the **** do you get this from, every one can play MGS4, uncharted, halo, Gears, Fable, devil may cry, final fantasy, Call of duty et cetera et cetera ET ****ing CETERA, using a Dual Analog system AND HAVE JUST AS MUCH if not MORE FUN than using some kind of pointing device.

Sure in a competition the pointing device would win, but who cares, its not a competition you buy a game you play it and you enjoy the game using the control scheme the developers created specifically for that game. The dual analog system works is still needed as a convenient way to play video games

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="Innocentguy757"]For any games, who wants to have to warry about sitting at a desk when you can kick back on your couch and play games. Plus it would take up more room and be harder to play multipler on one screen. And the controller feels much more naturals in the hands than the keyboard and mouse.Locke562

Still don't know how people sit back and relax while playing games. If I'm playing Madden, Halo, Gears whatever I am on the edge of my seat leaning forward I'm not relaxing.

Although I like controllers I wouldn't say they feel more natural in the hands seeing as how much I use a computer each day.

F@#$ that its not needed and stupid, there is no way i would EVER put a god damn sensor on top of my TV.

INFERIOR? Where the **** do you get this from, every one can play MGS4, uncharted, halo, Gears, Fable, devil may cry, final fantasy, Call of duty et cetera et cetera ET ****ing CETERA, using a Dual Analog system AND HAVE JUST AS MUCH if not MORE FUN than using some kind of pointing device.

Sure in a competition the pointing device would win, but who cares, its not a competition you buy a game you play it and you enjoy the game using the control scheme the developers created specifically for that game. The dual analog system works is still needed as a convenient way to play video games

LastRedMage

Don't fret my friend, there is a motion contoller similar to wiimote + motion+ in function that does not require a sensor.

How do you have more fun in an FPS and all your other stated examples with dual analogs. It does not compute.

The dual analog system is an old system, there are better technology and systems that can replace it.

I can see where he's coming from I just cannot play games lying down. More on this topic though. Mouse and keyboard may be more precise but I prefer consoles controllers. PC gamers are elite to me LOL. I honeslty don't like playing against most of them. Another thing I am not so good with keyboards even though I use one every single day. Game controllers are much easier to your average Joe, so this is where I have to disagree with TC goblaa.jakarai

Using a keyboard is quite intuitive and easy once you get used to it.

Go take up touch typing classes or something, it will greatly benefit you.

"How do you have more fun in an FPS and all your other stated examples with dual analogs. It does not compute. " hmmm lol failLastRedMage

[QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="LastRedMage"]No one likes to use the D pad. Wouldn't it be stupid to have only one analog stick?

Honestly your arguments are so stupid Mouse & keyboard is more precise, Who cares i don't need to be precise

Mouse & keyboard is easier to learn so what tons of people know how to use dual sticks, and can learn pretty easily.

you don't need to control the camera in Action/Adventure games, so what, i want to change the camera, do you have a problem with that?

LastRedMage

That's fine if you're happy with it. The point is it's still an inferior system to any pointer device that could easily (and hopefully) be integrated in to next gen gamepads.

INFERIOR? Where the **** do you get this from, every one can play MGS4, uncharted, halo, Gears, Fable, devil may cry, final fantasy, Call of duty et cetera et cetera ET ****ing CETERA, using a Dual Analog system AND HAVE JUST AS MUCH if not MORE FUN than using some kind of pointing device.

Sure in a competition the pointing device would win, but who cares, its not a competition you buy a game you play it and you enjoy the game using the control scheme the developers created specifically for that game. The dual analog system works is still needed as a convenient way to play video games

Did you invent Dual analog, because you're shure taking this persoanaly. And the fact that you've gotten angry and have started cursing (in a censord sorta way) just shows that you're running out of argument.

It's ok to like DA. That's fine. But it's not as good of a system compared to any kind of pointinr be it mouse, wii, touch, or whatever. It's less precise and people need to practice at it to get good, unlike these other better systems. The fact that you have to practice to make up for a flaw alone warrents replacing it with better more efficiant tech.

[QUOTE="jakarai"]I can see where he's coming from I just cannot play games lying down. More on this topic though. Mouse and keyboard may be more precise but I prefer consoles controllers. PC gamers are elite to me LOL. I honeslty don't like playing against most of them. Another thing I am not so good with keyboards even though I use one every single day. Game controllers are much easier to your average Joe, so this is where I have to disagree with TC goblaa.Mysterious_Kid

Using a keyboard is quite intuitive and easy once you get used to it.

Go take up touch typing classes or something, it will greatly benefit you.

[QUOTE="jakarai"]I can see where he's coming from I just cannot play games lying down. More on this topic though. Mouse and keyboard may be more precise but I prefer consoles controllers. PC gamers are elite to me LOL. I honeslty don't like playing against most of them. Another thing I am not so good with keyboards even though I use one every single day. Game controllers are much easier to your average Joe, so this is where I have to disagree with TC goblaa.Mysterious_Kid

Using a keyboard is quite intuitive and easy once you get used to it.

Go take up touch typing classes or something, it will greatly benefit you.

Not if you are playing complex games like Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden and I will keep bring these up until I get a proper response that shuts me up.

Devil May Cry 4 on the PC, bombed. You are not going to get anywhere in these games with a mouse and key.

/thread

[QUOTE="Mysterious_Kid"][QUOTE="redCloudJ7"] Can you give specific examples.redCloudJ7

There was a similar arguement, a few pages up. Read it if you want a response.

I read it. There still isn't a good reason that dual analog isn't needed for these games. God Hand would be completely impossible to play without the second analog stick. So would God of War on higher difficulty settings. Have you played Ninja Gaiden and DMC? These games absolutely need the second analog stick.

[QUOTE="Mysterious_Kid"]

[QUOTE="jakarai"]I can see where he's coming from I just cannot play games lying down. More on this topic though. Mouse and keyboard may be more precise but I prefer consoles controllers. PC gamers are elite to me LOL. I honeslty don't like playing against most of them. Another thing I am not so good with keyboards even though I use one every single day. Game controllers are much easier to your average Joe, so this is where I have to disagree with TC goblaa.dark-warmachine

Using a keyboard is quite intuitive and easy once you get used to it.

Go take up touch typing classes or something, it will greatly benefit you.

Not if you are playing complex games like Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden and I will keep bring these up until I get a proper response that shuts me up.

Devil May Cry 4 on the PC, bombed. You are not going to get anywhere in these games with a mouse and key.

/thread

...

Didn't you delete your post just now?

Anyway, a similar argument was present a few pages up.

When I played Devil May Cry, as far as I can remember I didn't use the second analog stick.

If there was only one analog stick, developers of hack n slash button mashers such as Devil May Cry, God Of War and Ninja Gaiden

will simply find an alternative to using the second analog stick, which in this game serves as an extra button or something right?

Developers will just optimise the controls abit, and create the exact same gameplay, with or without a second analog stick.

An example I can use is that the PSP port of god of war, chains of olympus

was fine without that analog stick, and it got fairly high reviews.

From Gamespot review of God Of War Chains of Olympus

"The controls are tight and in general quite good. Learning to evade attacks requires a bit of an adjustment, given that you need to hold both of the shoulder buttons and then move the analog stick, but you get used to it and it works fine. "

From IGN review of God Of War Chains of Olympus

"Though the PSP is missing the L2 and R2 buttons and the right analog stick of the Dual Shock 2, I dare say that the control scheme here works better than on the PS2. Instead of having to use the D-Pad to change between magic types, you now hold R and press a corresponding face button. This means you won't accidentally trigger something you didn't mean to a waste precious magic, and it also means you can switch between them much more easily. Since there isn't a second analog stick, dodging works by pressing L and R at the same time, which again works even better than on the PS2 pad since you don't have to move your thumb off the face buttons. Each of the control changes has been implemented fantastically and you won't miss any of the missing buttons."

Anymore questions?

I would definitely own consoles if they came with a keyboard mouse setup instead of a controller.

I'm a little disturbed that some are using ninja gaiden as an example of a positive reason for dual analog considering that NG has some of the worst and most wonky camera in modern videogame history.goblaa

@redCloudJ7 and dark-warmachine

Have I proven my point, does it prove that the second analog stick is redundant and not needed in those games?