It did not take one year for the 360 to get a "good" game

Every day I see people saying that the "PS3 just came out. Give it time. The 360 took a year to get its first good game."

If this is the case, then the PS3 truly has nothing. The PS3's highest rated exclusive game is Resistance with an 8.6 score. The 360 launched with three exclusives (perfect dark zero, kameo, and pgr3) that scored higher. Do you still even want to compare what the PS3 has now against what the 360 had seven months into its lifespan? Are you really willing to say that your own system has nothing in order to say that the system you oppose took a year to get something worthy?

This argument didn't work for the original Xbox ("The PS2 had a one year head start. That's why its game library is better. /cry) and it's not working now for the PS3. The PS2 had a better lineup in its first year than the Xbox did. The 360 had a better first seven months than the PS3 did.

I agree. If this was PS3s 3rd month then fine go ahead and say but 360 had a year. That is not the case though. It is now June. There has been enough time for PS3 to put out a bunch of AA or even AAA games. I know here comes the wait the games are comming.Eltroz

little do you know the first 7 months of the PS3 and the First 7 months of the Xbox 360. PS3 has more AA games.

Virtua Fighter 5 dude. And Oblivion is AAA if you want to go by SW rules. /thread?shungokustasu

umm, what? virtua fighter got an 8.1 and is a timed exclusive (which we all know disqualifies it from being called "exclusive" here) and oblivion is multiplat. if we're going by system wars rules (which we are), what are you talking about?

Every day I see people saying that the "PS3 just came out. Give it time. The 360 took a year to get its first good game."

If this is the case, then the PS3 truly has nothing. The PS3's highest rated game is Resistance with an 8.6 score. The 360 launched with three exclusives that scored higher. Do you still even want to compare what the PS3 has now against what the 360 had seven months into its lifespan? Are you really willing to say that your own system has nothing in order to say that the system you oppose took a year to get something worthy?

This argument didn't work for the original Xbox ("The PS2 had a one year head start. That's why its game library is better. /cry) and it's not working now for the PS3. The PS2 had a better lineup in its first year than the Xbox did. The 360 had a better first seven months than the PS3 did.

CaseyWegner

        The fans of competing consoles must stop using that argument as thier consoles are no longer in the launch phase - that was long ago now.

I agree, but that doesn't translate to knowing what the future has in store.karicha9

it has nothing to do with the future.

Virtua Fighter 5 dude. And Oblivion is AAA if you want to go by SW rules. /thread?shungokustasu

im going to say something cows usually say to lems when they mention bioshock, " its multi-plat so it doesnt count".

/thread :roll:

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]I agree. If this was PS3s 3rd month then fine go ahead and say but 360 had a year. That is not the case though. It is now June. There has been enough time for PS3 to put out a bunch of AA or even AAA games. I know here comes the wait the games are comming.shungokustasu

little do you know the first 7 months of the PS3 and the First 7 months of the Xbox 360. PS3 has more AA games.

didn't you get proven wrong the last time you said that?

[QUOTE="karicha9"]I agree, but that doesn't translate to knowing what the future has in store.CaseyWegner

it has nothing to do with the future.

Isn't that the general question here in SW? 

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Virtua Fighter 5 dude. And Oblivion is AAA if you want to go by SW rules. /thread?CaseyWegner

umm, what? virtua fighter got an 8.1 and is a timed exclusive (which we all know disqualifies it from being called "exclusive" here) and oblivion is multiplat. if we're going by system wars rules (which we are), what are you talking about?

You not going to sit here and tell me that it's okay to say Kameo, Dead Rising, and COD2 were "good games" and turn around and say VF5 is not. No, AA games are "good" too. Just like SW states. Stop bending the rules.

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[QUOTE="Eltroz"]I agree. If this was PS3s 3rd month then fine go ahead and say but 360 had a year. That is not the case though. It is now June. There has been enough time for PS3 to put out a bunch of AA or even AAA games. I know here comes the wait the games are comming.CaseyWegner

little do you know the first 7 months of the PS3 and the First 7 months of the Xbox 360. PS3 has more AA games.

didn't you get proven wrong the last time you said that?

Nope.

Nobody is arguing that the 360 was slightly better (gamespot wise) than the ps3 at this point. But as a rule of thumb , it takes about a year for consoles to shine so lemmings are going to have to deal with future comparisons as well.

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]I agree. If this was PS3s 3rd month then fine go ahead and say but 360 had a year. That is not the case though. It is now June. There has been enough time for PS3 to put out a bunch of AA or even AAA games. I know here comes the wait the games are comming.shungokustasu

little do you know the first 7 months of the PS3 and the First 7 months of the Xbox 360. PS3 has more AA games.

Really?

 360 AA (not including AAA) titles in the first 7 months =  19

 PS3 AA (not including AAA) titles in the first 7 months =  16

taken from Gamespot scores.

seems as if you can't win this one seeing how I actually pulled out the facts on you. :| 

The difference between developing for a dual core 360 (one core being used for OS only) and the cell is tremendous.  Dev time transitioning to PS3 with its multi SPE and BD use is a lot more different than Xbox (2.5) 360.  Heck, even the early PS3 releases didn't  have the 1080p that they should have if it was given more time but Xbox 360 never even started out with hdmi.

So you're pretty much ignoring the fact that the PS3's architecture is vastly different and say 360 is better even though developing for it is much easier. 

The console was doing much until GeOW was released and after that the 360 started selling. It took a year to get a "must have" game.Ragnarok1051

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]I agree. If this was PS3s 3rd month then fine go ahead and say but 360 had a year. That is not the case though. It is now June. There has been enough time for PS3 to put out a bunch of AA or even AAA games. I know here comes the wait the games are comming.shungokustasu

little do you know the first 7 months of the PS3 and the First 7 months of the Xbox 360. PS3 has more AA games.

didn't you get proven wrong the last time you said that?

Nope.

I'm happy to be the first then to own you. :) 

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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Virtua Fighter 5 dude. And Oblivion is AAA if you want to go by SW rules. /thread?shungokustasu

umm, what? virtua fighter got an 8.1 and is a timed exclusive (which we all know disqualifies it from being called "exclusive" here) and oblivion is multiplat. if we're going by system wars rules (which we are), what are you talking about?

You not going to sit here and tell me that it's okay to say Kameo, Dead Rising, and COD2 were "good games" and turn around and say VF5 is not. No, AA games are "good" too. Just like SW states. Stop bending the rules.

i think you need to read my first post again cause you're not making any sense.

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Virtua Fighter 5 dude. And Oblivion is AAA if you want to go by SW rules. /thread?istreakforfood

im going to say something cows usually say to lems when they mention bioshock, " its multi-plat so it doesnt count".

/thread :roll:

That foolish. If Oblivion don't cant for us, how does it count for 360?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]I agree. If this was PS3s 3rd month then fine go ahead and say but 360 had a year. That is not the case though. It is now June. There has been enough time for PS3 to put out a bunch of AA or even AAA games. I know here comes the wait the games are comming.shungokustasu

little do you know the first 7 months of the PS3 and the First 7 months of the Xbox 360. PS3 has more AA games.

didn't you get proven wrong the last time you said that?

Nope.

*sigh*

ok. show me the list.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]The console was doing much until GeOW was released and after that the 360 started selling. It took a year to get a "must have" game.SecretPolice

Nobody knew about those games, GeOW was the game that everyone was hearing about and had to play it.

Dev time transitioning to PS3 with its multi SPE and BD use is a lot more different than Xbox (2.5) 360.  NobuoMusicMaker

The only defence for the PS3 you have when there is no legit defense is to make things up. SW 101.

I imagine that having to mod for SW is much like drawing the short straw. I hope that there is some kind of fair rotation because I would probaly hate most of the people that come here if I had to mod the same board day in and day out.

Good luck CW.

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[QUOTE="Eltroz"]I agree. If this was PS3s 3rd month then fine go ahead and say but 360 had a year. That is not the case though. It is now June. There has been enough time for PS3 to put out a bunch of AA or even AAA games. I know here comes the wait the games are comming.Nedemis

little do you know the first 7 months of the PS3 and the First 7 months of the Xbox 360. PS3 has more AA games.

Really?

360 AA (not including AAA) titles in the first 7 months = 19

PS3 AA (not including AAA) titles in the first 7 months = 16

taken from Gamespot scores.

seems as if you can't win this one seeing how I actually pulled out the facts on you. :|

I'm just going to bump this so the ownage can be seen on the current page of post.  :P 

The difference between developing for a dual core 360 (one core being used for OS only) and the cell is tremendous.  Dev time transitioning to PS3 with its multi SPE and BD use is a lot more different than Xbox (2.5) 360.  Heck, even the early PS3 releases didn't  have the 1080p that they should have if it was given more time but Xbox 360 never even started out with hdmi.

So you're pretty much ignoring the fact that the PS3's architecture is vastly different and say 360 is better even though developing for it is much easier. 

NobuoMusicMaker

and that's a good thing? :|

Even a year and a half later, there's some 360 launch games very much worth playing.

I just got my 360 like 3 months ago, so I've played "2nd & 3rd wave" games like Crackdown and Dead Rising, but I've also been impressed by launch window titles like PGR3, Dead or Alive 4 & Amped 3. Not to mention Live Arcade games like Hexic HD or Geometry Wars.

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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Virtua Fighter 5 dude. And Oblivion is AAA if you want to go by SW rules. /thread?shungokustasu

im going to say something cows usually say to lems when they mention bioshock, " its multi-plat so it doesnt count".

/thread :roll:

That foolish. If Oblivion don't cant for us, how does it count for 360?

why you asking for me for? lol i never mentioned how 360 is better cause they have AAA titles like oblivion. 

edit: about the multi-plat comment im just saying what ppl in here usually go by even though some use double standards when they try to defend their console(i dont mean you btw).

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[QUOTE="Eltroz"]I agree. If this was PS3s 3rd month then fine go ahead and say but 360 had a year. That is not the case though. It is now June. There has been enough time for PS3 to put out a bunch of AA or even AAA games. I know here comes the wait the games are comming.Nedemis

little do you know the first 7 months of the PS3 and the First 7 months of the Xbox 360. PS3 has more AA games.

Really?

 360 AA (not including AAA) titles in the first 7 months =  19

 PS3 AA (not including AAA) titles in the first 7 months =  16

taken from Gamespot scores.

seems as if you can't win this one seeing how I actually pulled out the facts on you. :| 

You counted the 4 in June. That doesn't count.

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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Virtua Fighter 5 dude. And Oblivion is AAA if you want to go by SW rules. /thread?shungokustasu

im going to say something cows usually say to lems when they mention bioshock, " its multi-plat so it doesnt count".

/thread :roll:

That foolish. If Oblivion don't cant for us, how does it count for 360?

it doesn't. can you please stop inventing things to argue against that nobody even said in the first place?

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]The console was doing much until GeOW was released and after that the 360 started selling. It took a year to get a "must have" game.Ragnarok1051

Nobody knew about those games, GeOW was the game that everyone was hearing about and had to play it.

The difference between developing for a dual core 360 (one core being used for OS only) and the cell is tremendous.  Dev time transitioning to PS3 with its multi SPE and BD use is a lot more different than Xbox (2.5) 360.  Heck, even the early PS3 releases didn't  have the 1080p that they should have if it was given more time but Xbox 360 never even started out with hdmi.

So you're pretty much ignoring the fact that the PS3's architecture is vastly different and say 360 is better even though developing for it is much easier. 

NobuoMusicMaker

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="istreakforfood"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Virtua Fighter 5 dude. And Oblivion is AAA if you want to go by SW rules. /thread?CaseyWegner

im going to say something cows usually say to lems when they mention bioshock, " its multi-plat so it doesnt count".

/thread :roll:

That foolish. If Oblivion don't cant for us, how does it count for 360?

it doesn't. can you please stop inventing things to argue against that nobody even said in the first place?

So if Oblivion doesn't count then it took a Year for the Xbox360 to get a good game...

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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Virtua Fighter 5 dude. And Oblivion is AAA if you want to go by SW rules. /thread?shungokustasu

umm, what? virtua fighter got an 8.1 and is a timed exclusive (which we all know disqualifies it from being called "exclusive" here) and oblivion is multiplat. if we're going by system wars rules (which we are), what are you talking about?

You not going to sit here and tell me that it's okay to say Kameo, Dead Rising, and COD2 were "good games" and turn around and say VF5 is not. No, AA games are "good" too. Just like SW states. Stop bending the rules.

here's the list of 360 AA titles in the first 7 months.

Call of Duty 2

Burnout Revenge

Dead or Alive 4

PGR3

Kameo

Splinter Cell: Double Agent

Rockstar Presents Table Tennis

NFS Most Wanted

Fight Night Round 3

NBA 2K6

Moto GP 06

Hitman: Blood Money

2006 FIFA World Cup

Top Spin 2

King Kong

Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved

Uno

Ridge Racer 6

Condemned: Criminal Origins 

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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]The console was doing much until GeOW was released and after that the 360 started selling. It took a year to get a "must have" game.SecretPolice

Nobody knew about those games, GeOW was the game that everyone was hearing about and had to play it.

I'm not saying that everybody didn't know about those games, just the general people. Talk to people today and they still don't know what those games are, let alone for the 360. Same could be said about the PS3.

So if Oblivion doesn't count then it took a Year for the Xbox360 to get a good game...

shungokustasu

then you're saying that the ps3 has yet to get a good exclusive even though it's been seven months?

UnoNedemis

You counted Uno?  Really?

Isn't that... not exclusive?  I mean, I can play that at home.  On a table for chrissakes.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="istreakforfood"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Virtua Fighter 5 dude. And Oblivion is AAA if you want to go by SW rules. /thread?shungokustasu

im going to say something cows usually say to lems when they mention bioshock, " its multi-plat so it doesnt count".

/thread :roll:

That foolish. If Oblivion don't cant for us, how does it count for 360?

it doesn't. can you please stop inventing things to argue against that nobody even said in the first place?

So if Oblivion doesn't count then it took a Year for the Xbox360 to get a good game...

I'm guessing you forgot that the 360 launched with an AAA exclusive...

Not to mention PGR 3 and Kameo which both scored 8.8 and 8.7 respectively. Both higher than the PS3's highest rated exclusive game...

here's the list of 360 AA titles in the first 7 months.

 

Call of Duty 2

Burnout Revenge

Dead or Alive 4

PGR3

Kameo

Splinter Cell: Double Agent

Rockstar Presents Table Tennis

NFS Most Wanted

Fight Night Round 3

NBA 2K6

Moto GP 06

Hitman: Blood Money

2006 FIFA World Cup

Top Spin 2

King Kong

Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved

Uno

Ridge Racer 6

Condemned: Criminal Origins 

 

Nedemis

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

So if Oblivion doesn't count then it took a Year for the Xbox360 to get a good game...

CaseyWegner

then you're saying that the ps3 has yet to get a good exclusive even though it's been seven months?

Right. But you said it didn't take Xbox360 a year to get a "good game".

Oh boy, cmon dont diss  PDZ which was AAA at launch - lol  ;)SecretPolice

The difference between developing for a dual core 360 (one core being used for OS only) and the cell is tremendous. Dev time transitioning to PS3 with its multi SPE and BD use is a lot more different than Xbox (2.5) 360. Heck, even the early PS3 releases didn't have the 1080p that they should have if it was given more time but Xbox 360 never even started out with hdmi.

So you're pretty much ignoring the fact that the PS3's architecture is vastly different and say 360 is better even though developing for it is much easier.

NobuoMusicMaker

:lol::lol::lol: wow

i dont see one being superior then the other. more like both of them have their pros and cons.

The difference between developing for a dual core 360 (one core being used for OS only) and the cell is tremendous.  Dev time transitioning to PS3 with its multi SPE and BD use is a lot more different than Xbox (2.5) 360.  Heck, even the early PS3 releases didn't  have the 1080p that they should have if it was given more time but Xbox 360 never even started out with hdmi.

So you're pretty much ignoring the fact that the PS3's architecture is vastly different and say 360 is better even though developing for it is much easier. 

NobuoMusicMaker

This is completely wrong.  The 360 has three cores, each of which can execute 2 hardware threads.

On neither the 360 nor the PS3 does the operating system consume a significant portion of the CPU in games.  In fact, unless guide features are being used, it's pretty much idle.  The resource most impacted by the OS on both consoles is memory.

The architectures of both are indeed different.  However, neither is necessarily simple.  For example, using Xenos on the 360 is much more complex overall than using RSX on PS3.  RSX is overall a weaker part, but that's generally alright since a lot of that work can be picked up very well by the SPE's.