It did not take one year for the 360 to get a "good" game

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]The console was doing much until GeOW was released and after that the 360 started selling. It took a year to get a "must have" game.Ragnarok1051

Nobody knew about those games, GeOW was the game that everyone was hearing about and had to play it.

I'm not saying that everybody didn't know about those games, just the general people. Talk to people today and they still don't know what those games are, let alone for the 360. Same could be said about the PS3.

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]I agree. If this was PS3s 3rd month then fine go ahead and say but 360 had a year. That is not the case though. It is now June. There has been enough time for PS3 to put out a bunch of AA or even AAA games. I know here comes the wait the games are comming.shungokustasu

little do you know the first 7 months of the PS3 and the First 7 months of the Xbox 360. PS3 has more AA games.

Really?

360 AA (not including AAA) titles in the first 7 months = 19

PS3 AA (not including AAA) titles in the first 7 months = 16

taken from Gamespot scores.

seems as if you can't win this one seeing how I actually pulled out the facts on you. :|

You counted the 4 in June. That doesn't count.

what 4 from june?  I counted one from June (Moto GP 06) and that does count because it came out within the first 7 months from the launch date of the 360 console (Nov. 22).  FYI,  Moto GP was released on June 12th,  that keeps it within the 7 month period. :| 

here's the list of 360 AA titles in the first 7 months.

 

Call of Duty 2

Burnout Revenge

Dead or Alive 4

PGR3

Kameo

Splinter Cell: Double Agent (Wrong! Came out Oct 17 2006)

Rockstar Presents Table Tennis

NFS Most Wanted

Fight Night Round 3

NBA 2K6

Moto GP 06

Hitman: Blood Money

2006 FIFA World Cup

Top Spin 2

King Kong

Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved

Uno

Ridge Racer 6

Condemned: Criminal Origins 

 

Nedemis

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Oh boy, cmon dont diss  PDZ which was AAA at launch - lol  ;)Jandurin

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

So if Oblivion doesn't count then it took a Year for the Xbox360 to get a good game...

shungokustasu

then you're saying that the ps3 has yet to get a good exclusive even though it's been seven months?

Right. But you said it didn't take Xbox360 a year to get a "good game".

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

So if Oblivion doesn't count then it took a Year for the Xbox360 to get a good game...

shungokustasu

then you're saying that the ps3 has yet to get a good exclusive even though it's been seven months?

Right. But you said it didn't take Xbox360 a year to get a "good game".

so we're throwing out AAs then?

[QUOTE="Nedemis"] UnoJandurin

You counted Uno? Really?

Isn't that... not exclusive? I mean, I can play that at home. On a table for chrissakes.

still counts as a AA title within the first 7 months based solely off of GS scores. 

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

The difference between developing for a dual core 360 (one core being used for OS only) and the cell is tremendous. Dev time transitioning to PS3 with its multi SPE and BD use is a lot more different than Xbox (2.5) 360. Heck, even the early PS3 releases didn't have the 1080p that they should have if it was given more time but Xbox 360 never even started out with hdmi.

So you're pretty much ignoring the fact that the PS3's architecture is vastly different and say 360 is better even though developing for it is much easier.

ReverieDLM

This is completely wrong. The 360 has three cores, each of which can execute 2 hardware threads.

On neither the 360 nor the PS3 does the operating system consume a significant portion of the CPU in games. In fact, unless guide features are being used, it's pretty much idle. The resource most impacted by the OS on both consoles is memory.

The architectures of both are indeed different. However, neither is necessarily simple. For example, using Xenos on the 360 is much more complex overall than using RSX on PS3. RSX is overall a weaker part, but that's generally alright since a lot of that work can be picked up very well by the SPE's.

Uh no.  The third core runs the OS which is on all the time.  One of PS3's SPE is also used to run whatever background programs are happening while you play games. 

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]The console was doing much until GeOW was released and after that the 360 started selling. It took a year to get a "must have" game.Ragnarok1051

Nobody knew about those games, GeOW was the game that everyone was hearing about and had to play it.

I'm not saying that everybody didn't know about those games, just the general people. Talk to people today and they still don't know what those games are, let alone for the 360. Same could be said about the PS3.

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

So if Oblivion doesn't count then it took a Year for the Xbox360 to get a good game...

Eltroz

then you're saying that the ps3 has yet to get a good exclusive even though it's been seven months?

Right. But you said it didn't take Xbox360 a year to get a "good game".

That's not the point! The rule is that AA games are "good games". Dead Rising, PGR3, and Kameo for example. So, PS3 AA games are good as well.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Oh boy, cmon dont diss PDZ which was AAA at launch - lol ;)SecretPolice

it really does,  but I'm just proving him wrong with his claim that the PS3 has had more AA titles within the first 7 months of the consoles release.  

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

So if Oblivion doesn't count then it took a Year for the Xbox360 to get a good game...

CaseyWegner

then you're saying that the ps3 has yet to get a good exclusive even though it's been seven months?

Right. But you said it didn't take Xbox360 a year to get a "good game".

so we're throwing out AAs then?

No, I'm saying AA count. Why not say Tekken DR, R:FOM, and VF5 are "good games"?

[QUOTE="Eltroz"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

So if Oblivion doesn't count then it took a Year for the Xbox360 to get a good game...

shungokustasu

then you're saying that the ps3 has yet to get a good exclusive even though it's been seven months?

Right. But you said it didn't take Xbox360 a year to get a "good game".

That's not the point! The rule is that AA games are "good games". Dead Rising, PGR3, and Kameo for example. So, PS3 AA games are good as well.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="Nedemis"] UnoNedemis

You counted Uno? Really?

Isn't that... not exclusive? I mean, I can play that at home. On a table for chrissakes.

still counts as a AA title within the first 7 months based solely off of GS scores. 

Actually, I have to believe you can play Uno on the internets somewhere.  It's not exclusive.

[QUOTE="Nedemis"]

here's the list of 360 AA titles in the first 7 months.

 

Call of Duty 2

Burnout Revenge

Dead or Alive 4

PGR3

Kameo

Splinter Cell: Double Agent (Wrong! Came out Oct 17 2006)

Rockstar Presents Table Tennis

NFS Most Wanted

Fight Night Round 3

NBA 2K6

Moto GP 06

Hitman: Blood Money

2006 FIFA World Cup

Top Spin 2

King Kong

Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved

Uno

Ridge Racer 6

Condemned: Criminal Origins

 

ball_of_air

Oops...my bad. :P doesn't change the FACT that the 360 has had more AA titles within the first 7 months. 

That's not the point! The rule is that AA games are "good games". Dead Rising, PGR3, and Kameo for example. So, PS3 AA games are good as well.

shungokustasu

you seriously need to read my first post again.

No, I'm saying AA count. Why not say Tekken DR, R:FOM, and VF5 are "good games"?

shungokustasu

if we do that then we'd have to include AA games for the 360 as well. :|

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]I agree. If this was PS3s 3rd month then fine go ahead and say but 360 had a year. That is not the case though. It is now June. There has been enough time for PS3 to put out a bunch of AA or even AAA games. I know here comes the wait the games are comming.shungokustasu

little do you know the first 7 months of the PS3 and the First 7 months of the Xbox 360. PS3 has more AA games.

PS3 17 AA+ in the first seven months
Xbox 360 17 AA+ in the first seven months

Feel free to make up what ever stats you want though.

[QUOTE="ReverieDLM"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

The difference between developing for a dual core 360 (one core being used for OS only) and the cell is tremendous. Dev time transitioning to PS3 with its multi SPE and BD use is a lot more different than Xbox (2.5) 360. Heck, even the early PS3 releases didn't have the 1080p that they should have if it was given more time but Xbox 360 never even started out with hdmi.

So you're pretty much ignoring the fact that the PS3's architecture is vastly different and say 360 is better even though developing for it is much easier.

NobuoMusicMaker

This is completely wrong. The 360 has three cores, each of which can execute 2 hardware threads.

On neither the 360 nor the PS3 does the operating system consume a significant portion of the CPU in games. In fact, unless guide features are being used, it's pretty much idle. The resource most impacted by the OS on both consoles is memory.

The architectures of both are indeed different. However, neither is necessarily simple. For example, using Xenos on the 360 is much more complex overall than using RSX on PS3. RSX is overall a weaker part, but that's generally alright since a lot of that work can be picked up very well by the SPE's.

Uh no.  The third core runs the OS which is on all the time.  One of PS3's SPE is also used to run whatever background programs are happening while you play games. 

You don't know what you're talking about, so just stop.  On the PS3, one of the SPE's is "reserved" by the OS, but it's far from being at constant 100% utilization.  It's a small sacrifice overall since the PS3 is generally not limited by FP calculation.  On the 360, there is no CPU reservation by the OS, period.  End of story.  If you think it is any different than that, you are wrong.

By GS rules, yes the 360 supposedly got better games.

Casey, you of all people should know this is SW. Hypocrisy and ignoring valid points rain supreme.

The difference between developing for a dual core 360 (one core being used for OS only) and the cell is tremendous.  Dev time transitioning to PS3 with its multi SPE and BD use is a lot more different than Xbox (2.5) 360.  Heck, even the early PS3 releases didn't  have the 1080p that they should have if it was given more time but Xbox 360 never even started out with hdmi.

So you're pretty much ignoring the fact that the PS3's architecture is vastly different and say 360 is better even though developing for it is much easier. 

NobuoMusicMaker

 1. The 360 can use all 3 cores, only 3% of Core 0 is used for the OS.

2. Sure, the 360 didn't come with HDMI and the PS3 did, but the HDMI cables were sold seperately(So obviously SONY didn't care too much about HDMI for its PS3 users), hell, it came with a standard composite video cable, even the 360 Elite comes with HDMI cables.

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="Nedemis"] UnoJandurin

You counted Uno? Really?

Isn't that... not exclusive? I mean, I can play that at home. On a table for chrissakes.

still counts as a AA title within the first 7 months based solely off of GS scores.

Actually, I have to believe you can play Uno on the internets somewhere. It's not exclusive.

This has nothing to do with exclusivisity.  It's just general numbers for right now. :P

if we wanted to bring in exclusives then the numbers would be 360 (10) to PS3 (4)

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

No, I'm saying AA count. Why not say Tekken DR, R:FOM, and VF5 are "good games"?

CaseyWegner

if we do that then we'd have to include AA games for the 360 as well. :|

Exactly! I re-read your post. I was trying to kill two birds with one stone. Those who always say PS3 don't have good games irks me because most don't even have a PS3 or even bother to play any of the games they say is bad. I thought you was in agreement with the 360 fanboys. I'm going to lunch...

restistance owns the 360 launch fps pdz. if ps 3 came out before the 360 pdz would had never got a AAA score. resistance would of gotten a AAA score if it was on 360.GARRYTH

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

No, I'm saying AA count. Why not say Tekken DR, R:FOM, and VF5 are "good games"?

shungokustasu

if we do that then we'd have to include AA games for the 360 as well. :|

Exactly! I re-read your post. I was trying to kill two birds with one stone. Those who always say PS3 don't have good games irks me because most don't even have a PS3 or even bother to play any of the games they say is bad. I thought you was in agreement with the 360 fanboys. I'm going to lunch...

you killed birds that weren't even here. :(

This has nothing to do with exclusivisity.  It's just general numbers for right now. :P

if we wanted to bring in exclusives then the numbers would be 360 (10) to PS3 (4)

Nedemis

[QUOTE="ball_of_air"][QUOTE="Nedemis"]

here's the list of 360 AA titles in the first 7 months.

 

Call of Duty 2

Burnout Revenge

Dead or Alive 4

PGR3

Kameo

Splinter Cell: Double Agent (Wrong! Came out Oct 17 2006)

Rockstar Presents Table Tennis

NFS Most Wanted

Fight Night Round 3

NBA 2K6

Moto GP 06

Hitman: Blood Money

2006 FIFA World Cup

Top Spin 2

King Kong

Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved

Uno

Ridge Racer 6

Condemned: Criminal Origins

 

Nedemis

Oops...my bad. :P doesn't change the FACT that the 360 has had more AA titles within the first 7 months.

FACT CHECK: Nedemis WINS, shungokustasu is OWNED

360 AA's in the first 7 months:

MotoGP 06 Video Review 8.2
Hitman: Blood Money Video Review 8.2
Rockstar Games presents Table Tennis Video Review 8.5
Uno 8.1
2006 FIFA World Cup 8.2
Top Spin 2 Video Review 8.2
Burnout Revenge Video Review 8.8
Fight Night Round 3 Video Review 8.3
Dead or Alive 4 Video Review 8.8
Peter Jackson's King Kong: The Official Game of the Movie Video Review 8.2
Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 8.2
Ridge Racer 6 Video Review 8.1
Project Gotham Racing 3 Video Review 8.8
Condemned: Criminal Origins Video Review 8.0
Need for Speed Most Wanted Video Review 8.4
Call of Duty 2 Video Review 8.8
NBA 2K6 Video Review 8.3
Kameo: Elements of Power Video Review 8.7

PS3 AA's in the first 7 months:

Call of Duty 3 Video Review 8.2
Resistance: Fall of Man Video Review 8.6
NHL 2K7 Video Review 8.3
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 Video Review 8.2
NBA 2K7 Video Review 8.2
Ridge Racer 7 8.0
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 8.2
Fight Night Round 3 8.2
Virtua Fighter 5 Video Review 8.1
Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection 8.3
NBA Street Homecourt 8.0
Def Jam: Icon Video Review 8.1
College Hoops 2K7 8.0
Virtua Tennis 3 Video Review 8.2
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent 8.0
MLB 07: The Show 8.2

resistance owns the 360 launch fps pdz. if ps 3 came out before the 360 pdz would had never got a AAA score. resistance would of gotten a AAA score if it was on 360.GARRYTH

you don't know that.

[QUOTE="Eltroz"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

So if Oblivion doesn't count then it took a Year for the Xbox360 to get a good game...

shungokustasu

then you're saying that the ps3 has yet to get a good exclusive even though it's been seven months?

Right. But you said it didn't take Xbox360 a year to get a "good game".

That's not the point! The rule is that AA games are "good games". Dead Rising, PGR3, and Kameo for example. So, PS3 AA games are good as well.

correct. But the point of this thread was that many ignorant cows claim that those 360 games were not "good", and we can agree that both consoles had some good games.

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]restistance owns the 360 launch fps pdz. if ps 3 came out before the 360 pdz would had never got a AAA score. resistance would of gotten a AAA score if it was on 360.SecretPolice

you seriously need to read my first post again.

CaseyWegner

Your first post ? He needs to re-read every single post at least 10 times before he replies because he's not making any sense at all.

[QUOTE="ball_of_air"][QUOTE="Nedemis"]

here's the list of 360 AA titles in the first 7 months.

 

Call of Duty 2

Burnout Revenge

Dead or Alive 4

PGR3

Kameo

Splinter Cell: Double Agent (Wrong! Came out Oct 17 2006)

Rockstar Presents Table Tennis

NFS Most Wanted

Fight Night Round 3

NBA 2K6

Moto GP 06

Hitman: Blood Money

2006 FIFA World Cup

Top Spin 2

King Kong

Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved

Uno

Ridge Racer 6

Condemned: Criminal Origins

 

Nedemis

Oops...my bad. :P doesn't change the FACT that the 360 has had more AA titles within the first 7 months. 

I'm not arguing. I have a 360 with Call of Duty 2, NFS: Most Wanted and Splinter Cell: Double Agent out of your list. I just know the release dates of the games I have. 

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]resistance owns the 360 launch fps pdz. if ps 3 came out before the 360 pdz would had never got a AAA score. resistance would of gotten a AAA score if it was on 360.CaseyWegner

you don't know that.

resistance owns the 360 launch fps pdz. if ps 3 came out before the 360 pdz would had never got a AAA score. resistance would of gotten a AAA score if it was on 360.GARRYTH

I love PDZ, still one of my fav. games and i bet you haven't even played it. Cows just like to spread this lie in every thread they go to.

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

The difference between developing for a dual core 360 (one core being used for OS only) and the cell is tremendous. Dev time transitioning to PS3 with its multi SPE and BD use is a lot more different than Xbox (2.5) 360. Heck, even the early PS3 releases didn't have the 1080p that they should have if it was given more time but Xbox 360 never even started out with hdmi.

So you're pretty much ignoring the fact that the PS3's architecture is vastly different and say 360 is better even though developing for it is much easier.

CaseyWegner

and that's a good thing? :|

It's an excuse actually and I'm pretty certain that it isn't a good thing for developers who are making games for PS3. 

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

No, I'm saying AA count. Why not say Tekken DR, R:FOM, and VF5 are "good games"?

shungokustasu

if we do that then we'd have to include AA games for the 360 as well. :|

Exactly! I re-read your post. I was trying to kill two birds with one stone. Those who always say PS3 don't have good games irks me because most don't even have a PS3 or even bother to play any of the games they say is bad. I thought you was in agreement with the 360 fanboys. I'm going to lunch...

have you ever thought some of the games that ps3 has atm doesnt appeal to certain gamers. for example you hate fps games. There were no games that appealed to me on the ps3. Resistance was a decent fps game, but i didnt like it. fight night round 3 and oblivion are awesome games but whats the point of getting it if i already have played it and own it on the other console. right now i been using my ps3 cause i been playing dragon quest 8(ps2). anyways have a good lunch.

The difference between developing for a dual core 360 (one core being used for OS only) and the cell is tremendous. Dev time transitioning to PS3 with its multi SPE and BD use is a lot more different than Xbox (2.5) 360. Heck, even the early PS3 releases didn't have the 1080p that they should have if it was given more time but Xbox 360 never even started out with hdmi.

So you're pretty much ignoring the fact that the PS3's architecture is vastly different and say 360 is better even though developing for it is much easier.

NobuoMusicMaker

Not an excuse for bad games, at all.  None of that is going to matter in the minds of consumers, or real gamers who want to play good games.  It just indicates further why the 360 is doing better and why it is a better buy, because you'll have more better games faster. 

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="GARRYTH"]restistance owns the 360 launch fps pdz. if ps 3 came out before the 360 pdz would had never got a AAA score. resistance would of gotten a AAA score if it was on 360.GARRYTH

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]resistance owns the 360 launch fps pdz. if ps 3 came out before the 360 pdz would had never got a AAA score. resistance would of gotten a AAA score if it was on 360.GARRYTH

you don't know that.

 Gamerankings has it rated at 87.6%, thats not AAA from every other site, I do agree however, PDZ sucked.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]resistance owns the 360 launch fps pdz. if ps 3 came out before the 360 pdz would had never got a AAA score. resistance would of gotten a AAA score if it was on 360.GARRYTH

you don't know that.

i love seeing people use that argument because i do so love proving it wrong. can you explain to me why resistance isn't AAA at gamerankings?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Virtua Fighter 5 dude. And Oblivion is AAA if you want to go by SW rules. /thread?shungokustasu

umm, what? virtua fighter got an 8.1 and is a timed exclusive (which we all know disqualifies it from being called "exclusive" here) and oblivion is multiplat. if we're going by system wars rules (which we are), what are you talking about?

You not going to sit here and tell me that it's okay to say Kameo, Dead Rising, and COD2 were "good games" and turn around and say VF5 is not. No, AA games are "good" too. Just like SW states. Stop bending the rules.

Exactly. I see this tendency to bend the rules according to ones own personal preferences far too often as well. Just because games like Resistance, Motorstorm, Virtua Fighter 5, ect. are AA games, it does not mean that the PS3 "has nothing", lol. As AA is considered good, if not GREAT in most cases. So obviously, to continue the ridiculous facade in pretending that the PS3 has absolutely nothing is nothing but a biased, closed minded refusal to recognize anything even remotely postive that the PS3 has going for it because you PERSONALLY prefer the 360 line-up more.

So, your statement that the PS3 has ZERO good games is nothing but subjective opinion, Casey. And your opinion is not the etched in stone, infallible rule, mod or not. So stop trying to bend the rules in favor of what your personal opinion is. AA games are good games, and the 360 had more AA games in it's first 7 months than AAA games as well. End of story.

Let's not play blind here, we all know that it takes every console longer than a few months to start to hit it's sweet spots, and PS3 is just now getting ready to BEGIN do that, as should be clearly evidenced by what games are just around the corner. And I do not care what you say, the 360 was not leaps and bounds better than the PS3 after it's first 7 months like closed minded bashers try to pretend.

Anyone who cannot give the PS3 the courtesy of the benefit of the doubt in that it is in it's first 7 months is nothing but biased, and closed minded and prematurely have their minds made up already. As even if the PS3 does not appeal to you on a personal level, if you are unbiased, you would at least give it the benefit of the doubt in that it is only 7 months old. And you would also acknowledge the fact that there are indeed some VERY impressive looking games and features just right around the corner, instead of bashing them and discrediting them at every opportunity before they even have a chance to come out.  

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="GARRYTH"]restistance owns the 360 launch fps pdz. if ps 3 came out before the 360 pdz would had never got a AAA score. resistance would of gotten a AAA score if it was on 360.GARRYTH

I don't know when the development actually began but i do know that PDZ was originally supposed to be on the N64, so i think that asnwers that.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]resistance owns the 360 launch fps pdz. if ps 3 came out before the 360 pdz would had never got a AAA score. resistance would of gotten a AAA score if it was on 360.GARRYTH

you don't know that.

[QUOTE="Eltroz"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

So if Oblivion doesn't count then it took a Year for the Xbox360 to get a good game...

shungokustasu

then you're saying that the ps3 has yet to get a good exclusive even though it's been seven months?

Right. But you said it didn't take Xbox360 a year to get a "good game".

That's not the point! The rule is that AA games are "good games". Dead Rising, PGR3, and Kameo for example. So, PS3 AA games are good as well.

But we are only counting exclusives so 360 has way more.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]resistance owns the 360 launch fps pdz. if ps 3 came out before the 360 pdz would had never got a AAA score. resistance would of gotten a AAA score if it was on 360.GARRYTH

you don't know that.

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Virtua Fighter 5 dude. And Oblivion is AAA if you want to go by SW rules. /thread?outcasthero

umm, what? virtua fighter got an 8.1 and is a timed exclusive (which we all know disqualifies it from being called "exclusive" here) and oblivion is multiplat. if we're going by system wars rules (which we are), what are you talking about?

You not going to sit here and tell me that it's okay to say Kameo, Dead Rising, and COD2 were "good games" and turn around and say VF5 is not. No, AA games are "good" too. Just like SW states. Stop bending the rules.

Exactly. I see this tendency to bend the rules according to ones own personal preferences far too often as well. Just because games like Resistance, Motorstorm, Virtua Fighter 5, ect. are AA games, it does not mean that the PS3 "has nothing", lol. As AA is considered good, if not GREAT in most cases. So obviously, to continue the ridiculous facade in pretending that the PS3 has absolutely nothing is nothing but a biased, closed minded refusal to recognize anything even remotely postive that the PS3 has going for it because you PERSONALLY prefer the 360 line-up more.

So, your statement that the PS3 has ZERO good games is nothing but subjective opinion, Casey. And your opinion is not the etched in stone, infallible rule, mod or not. So stop trying to bend the rules in favor of what your personal opinion is. AA games are good games, and the 360 had more AA games in it's first 7 months than AAA games as well. End of story.

Let's not play blind here, we all know that it takes every console longer than a few months to start to hit it's sweet spots, and PS3 is just now getting ready to BEGIN do that, as should be clearly evidenced by what games are just around the corner. And I do not care what you say, the 360 was not leaps and bounds better than the PS3 after it's first 7 months like closed minded bashers try to pretend.

Anyone who cannot give the PS3 the courtesy of the benefit of the doubt in that it is in it's first 7 months is nothing but biased, and closed minded and prematurely have their minds made up already. As even if the PS3 does not appeal to you on a personal level, if you are unbiased, you would at least give it the benefit of the doubt in that it is only 7 months old. And you would also acknowledge the fact that there are indeed some VERY impressive looking games and features just right around the corner, instead of bashing them and discrediting them at every opportunity before they even have a chance to come out.  

wow. you could have saved yourself the time it took typing all that if you had only read my first post. :(