It did not take one year for the 360 to get a "good" game

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#101 The_Game21x
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]resistance owns the 360 launch fps pdz. if ps 3 came out before the 360 pdz would had never got a AAA score. resistance would of gotten a AAA score if it was on 360.GARRYTH

you don't know that.

yes i do because every other site gave it a AAA.

That's wrong on so many levels...

If every other site gave it AAA then it would be over 90% at Gamerankings, which it isn't.

Second, what, if anything, does that have to do with the Gamespot score?

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#102 Suyomizzle_
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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Virtua Fighter 5 dude. And Oblivion is AAA if you want to go by SW rules. /thread?outcasthero

umm, what? virtua fighter got an 8.1 and is a timed exclusive (which we all know disqualifies it from being called "exclusive" here) and oblivion is multiplat. if we're going by system wars rules (which we are), what are you talking about?

You not going to sit here and tell me that it's okay to say Kameo, Dead Rising, and COD2 were "good games" and turn around and say VF5 is not. No, AA games are "good" too. Just like SW states. Stop bending the rules.

 

Exactly. I see this tendency to bend the rules according to ones own personal preferences far too often as well. Just because games like Resistance, Motorstorm, Virtua Fighter 5, ect. are AA games, it does not mean that the PS3 "has nothing", lol. As AA is considered good, if not GREAT in most cases. So obviously, to continue the ridiculous facade in pretending that the PS3 has absolutely nothing is nothing but a biased, closed minded refusal to recognize anything even remotely postive that the PS3 has going for it because you PERSONALLY prefer the 360 line-up more.

So, your statement that the PS3 has ZERO good games is nothing but subjective opinion, Casey. And your opinion is not the etched in stone, infallible rule, mod or not. So stop trying to bend the rules in favor of what your personal opinion is. AA games are good games, and the 360 had more AA games in it's first 7 months than AAA games as well. End of story.

Let's not play blind here, we all know that it takes every console longer than a few months to start to hit it's sweet spots, and PS3 is just now getting ready to BEGIN do that, as should be clearly evidenced by what games are just around the corner. And I do not care what you say, the 360 was not leaps and bounds better than the PS3 after it's first 7 months like closed minded bashers try to pretend.

Anyone who cannot give the PS3 the courtesy of the benefit of the doubt in that it is in it's first 7 months is nothing but biased, and closed minded and prematurely have their minds made up already. As even if the PS3 does not appeal to you on a personal level, if you are unbiased, you would at least give it the benefit of the doubt in that it is only 7 months old. And you would also acknowledge the fact that there are indeed some VERY impressive looking games and features just right around the corner, instead of bashing them and discrediting them at every opportunity before they even have a chance to come out.

NOBODY said the PS3 has nothing. However, if the standard is that the Xbox 360 had no good games within a year, when in fact it clearly had plenty good, and good exclusive games within it's first year, and it's first 7 months (as did the PS3), and it just so happened to have more than the PS3. And at launch, it had 3 exclusive titles that reviewed higher than the PS3's highest rated exclusive. And if you dismiss every single one of those titles that were good games that released for the 360, how can you not even further dismiss the PS3s lineup? That's what the thread is saying.

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#103 outcasthero
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[QUOTE="outcasthero"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Virtua Fighter 5 dude. And Oblivion is AAA if you want to go by SW rules. /thread?CaseyWegner

umm, what? virtua fighter got an 8.1 and is a timed exclusive (which we all know disqualifies it from being called "exclusive" here) and oblivion is multiplat. if we're going by system wars rules (which we are), what are you talking about?

You not going to sit here and tell me that it's okay to say Kameo, Dead Rising, and COD2 were "good games" and turn around and say VF5 is not. No, AA games are "good" too. Just like SW states. Stop bending the rules.

 

Exactly. I see this tendency to bend the rules according to ones own personal preferences far too often as well. Just because games like Resistance, Motorstorm, Virtua Fighter 5, ect. are AA games, it does not mean that the PS3 "has nothing", lol. As AA is considered good, if not GREAT in most cases. So obviously, to continue the ridiculous facade in pretending that the PS3 has absolutely nothing is nothing but a biased, closed minded refusal to recognize anything even remotely postive that the PS3 has going for it because you PERSONALLY prefer the 360 line-up more.

So, your statement that the PS3 has ZERO good games is nothing but subjective opinion, Casey. And your opinion is not the etched in stone, infallible rule, mod or not. So stop trying to bend the rules in favor of what your personal opinion is. AA games are good games, and the 360 had more AA games in it's first 7 months than AAA games as well. End of story.

Let's not play blind here, we all know that it takes every console longer than a few months to start to hit it's sweet spots, and PS3 is just now getting ready to BEGIN do that, as should be clearly evidenced by what games are just around the corner. And I do not care what you say, the 360 was not leaps and bounds better than the PS3 after it's first 7 months like closed minded bashers try to pretend.

Anyone who cannot give the PS3 the courtesy of the benefit of the doubt in that it is in it's first 7 months is nothing but biased, and closed minded and prematurely have their minds made up already. As even if the PS3 does not appeal to you on a personal level, if you are unbiased, you would at least give it the benefit of the doubt in that it is only 7 months old. And you would also acknowledge the fact that there are indeed some VERY impressive looking games and features just right around the corner, instead of bashing them and discrediting them at every opportunity before they even have a chance to come out.  

wow. you could have saved yourself the time it took typing all that if you had only read my first post. :(

 

I did;)

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#104 TheDarkDisciple
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[QUOTE="GARRYTH"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]resistance owns the 360 launch fps pdz. if ps 3 came out before the 360 pdz would had never got a AAA score. resistance would of gotten a AAA score if it was on 360.The_Ish

you don't know that.

yes i do because every other site gave it a AAA.

Copy and paste: http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/928399.asp (If someone can link this, that would be excellent, my browser is being a jerk with GS for some reason.)

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#106 CaseyWegner
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I did;)

outcasthero

then what's the deal with the novel you wrote up there? it doesn't make any sense for this argument.

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#107 -The-G-Man-
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]resistance owns the 360 launch fps pdz. if ps 3 came out before the 360 pdz would had never got a AAA score. resistance would of gotten a AAA score if it was on 360.GARRYTH

you don't know that.

yes i do because every other site gave it a AAA.

No.  It got an 87.6% on Gamerankings and an 87 on Metacritic.

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#108 Jynxzor
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360 got a jump start because it was the first next gen consol it had a "Wow" factor to it. the standards are set a bar higher now.
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#109 outcasthero
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[QUOTE="outcasthero"]

I did;)

CaseyWegner

then what's the deal with the novel you wrote up there? it doesn't make any sense for this argument.

 

It just seemed to me that you were indirectly saying that the PS3 has nothing by saying that PS3 owners admit it themselves by saying "just wait" all of the time. So by proxy, and indirectly you were indeed saying that the PS3 has nothing compared to the 360. If you did not mean it in that context, then I am sorry, but it sure seemed like a 360 slant to me.

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#110 CaseyWegner
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after reading some of the replies here, i'm worried that cows are going to start using the chewbacca defense. :?
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[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]restistance owns the 360 launch fps pdz. if ps 3 came out before the 360 pdz would had never got a AAA score. resistance would of gotten a AAA score if it was on 360.SecretPolice
            Always with the , woulda coulda shoulda... If 360 launched in Nov.06 than PDZ would have had 12 more months of dev time - Now what?

...and if my Uncle had boobs he would be my aunt.

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after reading some of the replies here, i'm worried that cows are going to start using the chewbacca defense. :?CaseyWegner
Mindless screaming?
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#113 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="outcasthero"]

I did;)

outcasthero

then what's the deal with the novel you wrote up there? it doesn't make any sense for this argument.

 

It just seemed to me that you were indirectly saying that the PS3 has nothing by saying that PS3 owners admit it themselves by saying "just wait" all of the time. So by proxy, and indirectly you were indeed saying that the PS3 has nothing compared to the 360. If you did not mean it in that context, then I am sorry, but it sure seemed like a 360 slant to me.

the part i underlined was extremely important.

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#114 Suyomizzle_
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="outcasthero"]

I did;)

outcasthero

then what's the deal with the novel you wrote up there? it doesn't make any sense for this argument.

 

It just seemed to me that you were indirectly saying that the PS3 has nothing by saying that PS3 owners admit it themselves by saying "just wait" all of the time. So by proxy, and indirectly you were indeed saying that the PS3 has nothing compared to the 360. If you did not mean it in that context, then I am sorry, but it sure seemed like a 360 slant to me.

What a complete and total misenterpretation.

NOBODY said the PS3 has nothing. However, if the standard is that the Xbox 360 had no good games within a year, when in fact it clearly had plenty good, and good exclusive games within it's first year, and it's first 7 months (as did the PS3), and it just so happened to have more than the PS3. And at launch, it had 3 exclusive titles that reviewed higher than the PS3's highest rated exclusive. And if you dismiss every single one of those titles that were good games that released for the 360, how can you not even further dismiss the PS3s lineup? That's what the thread is saying.I

 

The thread was just disproving the argument that is often used "The 360 took a year to get it's first good game".  That's all.  

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#115 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]after reading some of the replies here, i'm worried that cows are going to start using the chewbacca defense. :?Jandurin
Mindless screaming?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense

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after reading some of the replies here, i'm worried that cows are going to start using the chewbacca defense. :?CaseyWegner

lol

There are some people in this thread who are so clueless it makes me vomit a little. 

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#117 nickmag
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It appears that the 360 won the "best console over the first 7 months of it's lifespan", but I have a sneaky feeling that the PS3 games library will explode with great games just before the one year anniversary. Don't forget the console is only three months or so old in Europe.
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]after reading some of the replies here, i'm worried that cows are going to start using the chewbacca defense. :?Forza_2

lol

There are some people in this thread who are so clueless it makes me vomit a little. 

 

If we are so clueless, then why does everything that I posted about in my rather lengthy above post occur here on a daily, nearly minute by minute basis? I was mainly speaking in general terms, sorry if you did not get that.

Some people are so CLOSED MINDED and biased in this FORUM, it makes me vomit a little.;)

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#119 jbeen
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]after reading some of the replies here, i'm worried that cows are going to start using the chewbacca defense. :?CaseyWegner

Mindless screaming?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense

The chewbacca defense did not work for the Nazi's in Nerembergh trials and it does not work here. Why? Because it makes no sense. Chewbacca was not around during the Neremberg trials so the defense did not work, and it makes no sense. The PS3 was not built by Chewbacca so and has nothing to do with the Nazis therefore the PS3 makes no sense. I rest my case.

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#120 CaseyWegner
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basically, it all comes down to a choice for system wars. either admit that the 360 had good exclusive games before gears of war or admit that the ps3 doesn't have any good exclusive games at all yet. you can't have it both ways.
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#121 demoralizer
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360 got a jump start because it was the first next gen consol it had a "Wow" factor to it. the standards are set a bar higher now.Jynxzor

 360 had to go up against the PS3 hype. Sony stated that 360 wasn't true next gen it was xbox 1.5 and next gen really doesn't start until their console launches. I remember a very criticized 360 launch not so much a Wow factor. Even a 360 launch game that ties Resistance on gameranking was criticized in an IGN review of looking like Xbox 1.5. I think Sony set the bar high and they can't live up to the hype. Sony shouldn't get a pass because their games have failed to live up to their own expectations.

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#123 The__Jer
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[QUOTE="Eltroz"]I agree. If this was PS3s 3rd month then fine go ahead and say but 360 had a year. That is not the case though. It is now June. There has been enough time for PS3 to put out a bunch of AA or even AAA games. I know here comes the wait the games are comming.shungokustasu

little do you know the first 7 months of the PS3 and the First 7 months of the Xbox 360. PS3 has more AA games.

But not AA exclusives... Its sharing a lot of its AA with the 360 right now which isnt really a bad thing.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]after reading some of the replies here, i'm worried that cows are going to start using the chewbacca defense. :?CaseyWegner

Mindless screaming?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense

Ah-hahahahaha.  I remember that episode.  I didn't realize that had found its way onto the internets :P.

[spoiler] Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!

Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, [approaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests. [/spoiler]
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basically, it all comes down to a choice for system wars. either admit that the 360 had good exclusive games before gears of war or admit that the ps3 doesn't have any good exclusive games at all yet. you can't have it both ways.CaseyWegner

 

Why can't I have it both ways? I think the PS3 has good exclusive games NOW, and I also think that the 360 had some good games before Gears of War. Why can't I have it both ways....because YOU say so?:lol: If that is not pro 360/anti-PS3 talk, then I do not know what is. I rest my case.

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]basically, it all comes down to a choice for system wars. either admit that the 360 had good exclusive games before gears of war or admit that the ps3 doesn't have any good exclusive games at all yet. you can't have it both ways.outcasthero

 

Why can't I have it both ways? I think the PS3 has good exclusive games NOW, and I also think that the 360 had some good games before Gears of War. Why can't I have it both ways....because YOU say so?:lol: If that is not pro 360/anti-PS3 talk, then I do not know what is. I rest my case.

That isn't both ways.  That's going with the underlined part.  I'm confused.

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]basically, it all comes down to a choice for system wars. either admit that the 360 had good exclusive games before gears of war or admit that the ps3 doesn't have any good exclusive games at all yet. you can't have it both ways.outcasthero

 

Why can't I have it both ways? I think the PS3 has good exclusive games NOW, and I also think that the 360 had some good games before Gears of War. Why can't I have it both ways....because YOU say so?:lol: If that is not pro 360/anti-PS3 talk, then I do not know what is. I rest my case.

well, i suppose you could ask for a 4th strike in baseball to be considered an out while at bat but do you really think you're going to get it? how about 5 downs instead of 4 in football? want to be able to use your hands in soccer even if you're not the goalie?

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Not that I agree, but isn't a lot of the rationale for some ps3 games getting given a lower score than some games on the 360 (which are generally considered equal or inferior) due to the fact that the 360 games were released earlier?  It's pretty self evident that a game is graded in part due to the games around it.  The ps3 was out at a time when the next-gen 'wow' factor was largely over, and the games were compared against the 360, not like the 360 where the games were compared against the ps2 and gamecube.  Hence wouldn't they be judged more harshly?  If gears was released in a world like, say at the end of this gen, it's likely it would have gotten a worse score, maybe.  If PDZ was released after gears came out, maybe it wouldn't have ogtten a 9 because the bar was raised higher.
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A MOD opens such a thread? Um... :?
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#130 outcasthero
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[QUOTE="outcasthero"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]basically, it all comes down to a choice for system wars. either admit that the 360 had good exclusive games before gears of war or admit that the ps3 doesn't have any good exclusive games at all yet. you can't have it both ways.-The-G-Man-

 

Why can't I have it both ways? I think the PS3 has good exclusive games NOW, and I also think that the 360 had some good games before Gears of War. Why can't I have it both ways....because YOU say so?:lol: If that is not pro 360/anti-PS3 talk, then I do not know what is. I rest my case.

That isn't both ways.  That's going with the underlined part.  I'm confused.

 

For me it is. I am well aware that his central point is to get people to admit that the 360 had good games before Gears of War, but even if they do not, it is not an admission that the PS3 does not have any good exclusives right now. I just agreed with both is all. As I think that the PS3 does have some decent exclusives right now, and I also think that the 360 had good games before Gears. Why do I have to pick sides and admit that the 360 had good games before Gears or admit that the PS3 has no good exclusives? Because he made that rule?:lol:

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#131 CaseyWegner
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Not that I agree, but isn't a lot of the rationale for some ps3 games getting given a lower score than some games on the 360 (which are generally considered equal or inferior) due to the fact that the 360 games were released earlier?  It's pretty self evident that a game is graded in part due to the games around it.  The ps3 was out at a time when the next-gen 'wow' factor was largely over, and the games were compared against the 360, not like the 360 where the games were compared against the ps2 and gamecube.  Hence wouldn't they be judged more harshly?  If gears was released in a world like, say at the end of this gen, it's likely it would have gotten a worse score, maybe.  If PDZ was released after gears came out, maybe it wouldn't have ogtten a 9 because the bar was raised higher.osirisomeomi

well, if you want to speculate, maybe 360 games were rated more harshly because it was next gen and more was expected out of it. we don't really know either way so there's not a whole lot of reason in doing so.

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Frankly both systems have so many good games right now it doesn't even matter.  I couldn't possibly play all the games i could get for ps3 or xbox 360.
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[QUOTE="outcasthero"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]basically, it all comes down to a choice for system wars. either admit that the 360 had good exclusive games before gears of war or admit that the ps3 doesn't have any good exclusive games at all yet. you can't have it both ways.CaseyWegner

 

Why can't I have it both ways? I think the PS3 has good exclusive games NOW, and I also think that the 360 had some good games before Gears of War. Why can't I have it both ways....because YOU say so?:lol: If that is not pro 360/anti-PS3 talk, then I do not know what is. I rest my case.

well, i suppose you could ask for a 4th strike in baseball to be considered an out while at bat but do you really think you're going to get it? how about 5 downs instead of 4 in football? want to be able to use your hands in soccer even if you're not the goalie?

 

Well, I suppose that it is a good thing that this is not baseball, football or soccer then, is'nt it? Meaning, those rules are irrelevant here.

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[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="outcasthero"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]basically, it all comes down to a choice for system wars. either admit that the 360 had good exclusive games before gears of war or admit that the ps3 doesn't have any good exclusive games at all yet. you can't have it both ways.outcasthero

 

Why can't I have it both ways? I think the PS3 has good exclusive games NOW, and I also think that the 360 had some good games before Gears of War. Why can't I have it both ways....because YOU say so?:lol: If that is not pro 360/anti-PS3 talk, then I do not know what is. I rest my case.

That isn't both ways.  That's going with the underlined part.  I'm confused.

 

For me it is. I am well aware that his central point is to get people to admit that the 360 had good games before Gears of War, but even if they do not, it is not an admission that the PS3 does not have any good exclusives right now. I just agreed with both is all. As I think that the PS3 does have some decent exclusives right now, and I also think that the 360 had good games before Gears. Why do I have to pick sides and admit that the 360 had good games before Gears or admit that the PS3 has no good exclusives? Because he made that rule?:lol:

i didn't make the rule. system wars voted for it.

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#135 Kreean
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Hey Casey! How do I delete my GS account?
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[QUOTE="osirisomeomi"]Not that I agree, but isn't a lot of the rationale for some ps3 games getting given a lower score than some games on the 360 (which are generally considered equal or inferior) due to the fact that the 360 games were released earlier? It's pretty self evident that a game is graded in part due to the games around it. The ps3 was out at a time when the next-gen 'wow' factor was largely over, and the games were compared against the 360, not like the 360 where the games were compared against the ps2 and gamecube. Hence wouldn't they be judged more harshly? If gears was released in a world like, say at the end of this gen, it's likely it would have gotten a worse score, maybe. If PDZ was released after gears came out, maybe it wouldn't have ogtten a 9 because the bar was raised higher.CaseyWegner

well, if you want to speculate, maybe 360 games were rated more harshly because it was next gen and more was expected out of it. we don't really know either way so there's not a whole lot of reason in doing so.

 

He may be right. When 360 first came out a lot of people were saying it looks like Xbox 1.5. It wasn't until Gears that most people took notice.

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#137 Sonick54
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[QUOTE="outcasthero"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="outcasthero"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]basically, it all comes down to a choice for system wars. either admit that the 360 had good exclusive games before gears of war or admit that the ps3 doesn't have any good exclusive games at all yet. you can't have it both ways.CaseyWegner

 

Why can't I have it both ways? I think the PS3 has good exclusive games NOW, and I also think that the 360 had some good games before Gears of War. Why can't I have it both ways....because YOU say so?:lol: If that is not pro 360/anti-PS3 talk, then I do not know what is. I rest my case.

That isn't both ways. That's going with the underlined part. I'm confused.

 

For me it is. I am well aware that his central point is to get people to admit that the 360 had good games before Gears of War, but even if they do not, it is not an admission that the PS3 does not have any good exclusives right now. I just agreed with both is all. As I think that the PS3 does have some decent exclusives right now, and I also think that the 360 had good games before Gears. Why do I have to pick sides and admit that the 360 had good games before Gears or admit that the PS3 has no good exclusives? Because he made that rule?:lol:

i didn't make the rule. system wars voted for it.

Thank god the real world doesn't work that way :P 

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#138 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="outcasthero"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]basically, it all comes down to a choice for system wars. either admit that the 360 had good exclusive games before gears of war or admit that the ps3 doesn't have any good exclusive games at all yet. you can't have it both ways.outcasthero

 

Why can't I have it both ways? I think the PS3 has good exclusive games NOW, and I also think that the 360 had some good games before Gears of War. Why can't I have it both ways....because YOU say so?:lol: If that is not pro 360/anti-PS3 talk, then I do not know what is. I rest my case.

well, i suppose you could ask for a 4th strike in baseball to be considered an out while at bat but do you really think you're going to get it? how about 5 downs instead of 4 in football? want to be able to use your hands in soccer even if you're not the goalie?

 

Well, I suppose that it is a good thing that this is not baseball, football or soccer then, is'nt it? Meaning, those rules are irrelevant here.

but system wars rules are. how is requesting alterations for it any different than asking for alterations for other things that have rules?

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A MOD opens such a thread? Um... :?Kreean

is there a problem?

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#140 NextGenNow
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Every day I see people saying that the "PS3 just came out. Give it time. The 360 took a year to get its first good game."

If this is the case, then the PS3 truly has nothing. The PS3's highest rated game is Resistance with an 8.6 score. The 360 launched with three exclusives that scored higher. Do you still even want to compare what the PS3 has now against what the 360 had seven months into its lifespan? Are you really willing to say that your own system has nothing in order to say that the system you oppose took a year to get something worthy?

This argument didn't work for the original Xbox ("The PS2 had a one year head start. That's why its game library is better. /cry) and it's not working now for the PS3. The PS2 had a better lineup in its first year than the Xbox did. The 360 had a better first seven months than the PS3 did.

CaseyWegner

360 had a better first six months?

No competition.

AAA games? PD:Z score will never EVER be taken seriously...

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How can a fanboy be a mod? This place trips me out sometime. I do agree though the 360 had some amazing launch games.
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#142 CyanX73
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but system wars rules are. how is requesting alterations for it any different than asking for alterations for other things that have rules?

CaseyWegner

 

I'm a relative newbie to SW. What are systems war rules? The GS score is the final verdict on a game's worth?  

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#143 -The-G-Man-
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[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="outcasthero"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]basically, it all comes down to a choice for system wars. either admit that the 360 had good exclusive games before gears of war or admit that the ps3 doesn't have any good exclusive games at all yet. you can't have it both ways.outcasthero

 

Why can't I have it both ways? I think the PS3 has good exclusive games NOW, and I also think that the 360 had some good games before Gears of War. Why can't I have it both ways....because YOU say so?:lol: If that is not pro 360/anti-PS3 talk, then I do not know what is. I rest my case.

That isn't both ways.  That's going with the underlined part.  I'm confused.

 

For me it is. I am well aware that his central point is to get people to admit that the 360 had good games before Gears of War, but even if they do not, it is not an admission that the PS3 does not have any good exclusives right now. I just agreed with both is all. As I think that the PS3 does have some decent exclusives right now, and I also think that the 360 had good games before Gears. Why do I have to pick sides and admit that the 360 had good games before Gears or admit that the PS3 has no good exclusives? Because he made that rule?:lol:

No.  By saying the 360 has no good exclusives before Gears of War, that means you don't count any of the AA games as good exclusives.  And that also means the PS3 has no good exclusives because its only AAA is multiplat.  By saying the 360 did have good exclusives you're saying its AA games were good and are also saying the PS3 has decent exclusives.

 

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#144 Sonick54
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How can a fanboy be a mod? This place trips me out sometime. I do agree though the 360 had some amazing launch games.rockydog1111

He's not a fanboy. He's poiting out the fact that cows keep on saying 360 had no "good games" at launch yet according to GS scores, it did. 

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[QUOTE="outcasthero"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="outcasthero"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]basically, it all comes down to a choice for system wars. either admit that the 360 had good exclusive games before gears of war or admit that the ps3 doesn't have any good exclusive games at all yet. you can't have it both ways.CaseyWegner

 

Why can't I have it both ways? I think the PS3 has good exclusive games NOW, and I also think that the 360 had some good games before Gears of War. Why can't I have it both ways....because YOU say so?:lol: If that is not pro 360/anti-PS3 talk, then I do not know what is. I rest my case.

well, i suppose you could ask for a 4th strike in baseball to be considered an out while at bat but do you really think you're going to get it? how about 5 downs instead of 4 in football? want to be able to use your hands in soccer even if you're not the goalie?

 

Well, I suppose that it is a good thing that this is not baseball, football or soccer then, is'nt it? Meaning, those rules are irrelevant here.

but system wars rules are. how is requesting alterations for it any different than asking for alterations for other things that have rules?

 

System Wars is not football, baseball or soccer. And since when was it a rule that you had to either admit the 360 had great games before Gears or admit that the PS3 has no good exclusives? As that is what you are implying here. And by taking such a notion at face value, it is clear that it is set up in a pro 360/anti PS3 fashion.

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="osirisomeomi"]Not that I agree, but isn't a lot of the rationale for some ps3 games getting given a lower score than some games on the 360 (which are generally considered equal or inferior) due to the fact that the 360 games were released earlier? It's pretty self evident that a game is graded in part due to the games around it. The ps3 was out at a time when the next-gen 'wow' factor was largely over, and the games were compared against the 360, not like the 360 where the games were compared against the ps2 and gamecube. Hence wouldn't they be judged more harshly? If gears was released in a world like, say at the end of this gen, it's likely it would have gotten a worse score, maybe. If PDZ was released after gears came out, maybe it wouldn't have ogtten a 9 because the bar was raised higher.CyanX73

well, if you want to speculate, maybe 360 games were rated more harshly because it was next gen and more was expected out of it. we don't really know either way so there's not a whole lot of reason in doing so.

 

He may be right. When 360 first came out a lot of people were saying it looks like Xbox 1.5. It wasn't until Gears that most people took notice.

Um no most people took notice when PS3 launched with Gundamn and Untold legends. Also Sony used the term which made it mainstream. FightNight Round 3 should of put the 1.5 to rest but Sonys PS3 hype kept it going.

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#147 CyanX73
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[QUOTE="rockydog1111"]How can a fanboy be a mod? This place trips me out sometime. I do agree though the 360 had some amazing launch games.Sonick54

He's not a fanboy. He's poiting out the fact that cows keep on saying 360 had no "good games" at launch yet according to GS scores, it did.

 

I'm as cow as the next guy. I'll be the first to tell you that this drought of games for PS3 has been unbearable. I didn't pay attention to the entire 10 months prior to Gears' release for 360, but from what I know from other owners there weren't the slew of games available that many of you act like 360 had, XBL was barren of anything, and some people spent more time waiting for replacement 360s than playing games.  

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#148 CaseyWegner
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How can a fanboy be a mod? This place trips me out sometime. I do agree though the 360 had some amazing launch games.rockydog1111

who? me? :|

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#149 Sonick54
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[QUOTE="Sonick54"]

[QUOTE="rockydog1111"]How can a fanboy be a mod? This place trips me out sometime. I do agree though the 360 had some amazing launch games.CyanX73

He's not a fanboy. He's poiting out the fact that cows keep on saying 360 had no "good games" at launch yet according to GS scores, it did.

 

I'm as cow as the next guy. I'll be the first to tell you that this drought of games for PS3 has been unbearable. I didn't pay attention to the entire 10 months prior to Gears' release for 360, but from what I know from other owners there weren't the slew of games available that many of you act like 360 had, XBL was barren of anything, and some people spent more time waiting for replacement 360s than playing games.

This is SW. Forget what people in the real world said. In GS, it got good scores. That's all that matters. 

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#150 CyanX73
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Um no most people took notice when PS3 launched with Gundamn and Untold legends. Also Sony used the term which made it mainstream.

demoralizer

 

Leave off a great launch game from that list cuz the PS3 launch was limited to Gundam and Untol legends. Next.Â