[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"][QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] There's really no need to when you have 50 GB of space to run with. :P True enough :P But the point is then, there's no real benefit to Blu Ray and all the extra space it affords, is there? I mean, sure, it makes the developers' work slightly easier by allowing them to NOT compress all that data, but what we need to consider is, do we need those 50 gigs that the format affords us? Wouldn't, say, 20-25 gigs do the job just as well if it's all just about compression? Not trying to start a flame war here :P 7.1 uncompressed audio, but I don't know if it thats the case with KZ3(it was with MGS4) Does that really take 20 GB+?
Ugh, people wanting DD next gen need to GTFO, like I feel like downloading 40 gigs of content
gamer-adam1
largest DD are MMOS which are above 20gb, so shouldnt be a problem, a FPS shouldnt be 40gbs, I dont know why they just dont compress the audio if thats the reason, i doubt most gamers wont know the difference or will even be able to take advantage of it
that's one thing we need to know before we make conclusions is WHY it's 40GB.
Probably much more varied environments and assets than KZ2, good stuff.tomarlyn
Negative. That is not the primary reason.
They already announced that there is going to be something like 90 mins of cutscenes. All those scenes will include dialogue. All that dialogue is going to be uncompressed audio. All that uncompressed audio is going to take huge space.
[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] True enough :P But the point is then, there's no real benefit to Blu Ray and all the extra space it affords, is there? I mean, sure, it makes the developers' work slightly easier by allowing them to NOT compress all that data, but what we need to consider is, do we need those 50 gigs that the format affords us? Wouldn't, say, 20-25 gigs do the job just as well if it's all just about compression? Not trying to start a flame war here :Pcharizard1605
7.1 uncompressed audio, but I don't know if it thats the case with KZ3(it was with MGS4) Does that really take 20 GB+?
It takes even more than 20gb. Uncompressed video and audio is massive. It has to be compressed to fit even with Blu-ray discs.
And everything in it looks pretty much the same, its all recycled. Look how the environments vary so much more in Mass Effect 2 than the original, needed another disc for that.
[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="lbjkurono23"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] True enough :P But the point is then, there's no real benefit to Blu Ray and all the extra space it affords, is there? I mean, sure, it makes the developers' work slightly easier by allowing them to NOT compress all that data, but what we need to consider is, do we need those 50 gigs that the format affords us? Wouldn't, say, 20-25 gigs do the job just as well if it's all just about compression? Not trying to start a flame war here :P 7.1 uncompressed audio, but I don't know if it thats the case with KZ3(it was with MGS4) Does that really take 20 GB+? Uncompressed audio takes a LOT of space. It really hasn't been doable until Blu-Ray, tbh.
[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Probably much more varied environments and assets than KZ2, good stuff.SUD123456
Negative. That is not the primary reason.
They already announced that there is going to be something like 90 mins of cutscenes. All those scenes will include dialogue. All that dialogue is going to be uncompressed audio. All that uncompressed audio is going to take huge space.
Wow ok I wasn't aware of that, there's a feature length movie in there? Still the usual suspect is assets.
[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="lbjkurono23"] 7.1 uncompressed audio, but I don't know if it thats the case with KZ3(it was with MGS4)Kahuna_1
Does that really take 20 GB+?
It takes even more than 20gb. Uncompressed video and audio is massive. It has to be compressed to fit even with Blu-ray discs.
Really? I did not know that. Maybe we will actually need massive storage formats next generation, then. As for now, it stands as a good way to deter piracy (probably why it's so huge). I think we can expect every PS3 game to have these kinds of mammoth and unmanageable sizes from now on.
Ugh, people wanting DD next gen need to GTFO, like I feel like downloading 40 gigs of content
Keiji993
K, but when devs aren't using blu-ray they don't have to use as much space for their games. On the PS3 you've got a bunch of repeated content to make up for a slow disk drive.
The best looking games on the PC don't even come close to 40gb downloads.
Proof of the repeated content? Or are you a PS3 developer?http://kotaku.com/229496/oblivions-double-data-blu+ray-kludge
Here it says that oblivion for the PS3 needed to duplicate data in order for it to work properly,
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="lbjkurono23"] 7.1 uncompressed audio, but I don't know if it thats the case with KZ3(it was with MGS4) Does that really take 20 GB+? Uncompressed audio takes a LOT of space. It really hasn't been doable until Blu-Ray, tbh. So are we looking at 500 GB discs next gen? :P
[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Probably much more varied environments and assets than KZ2, good stuff.SUD123456
Negative. That is not the primary reason.
They already announced that there is going to be something like 90 mins of cutscenes. All those scenes will include dialogue. All that dialogue is going to be uncompressed audio. All that uncompressed audio is going to take huge space.
[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Does that really take 20 GB+? Uncompressed audio takes a LOT of space. It really hasn't been doable until Blu-Ray, tbh. So are we looking at 500 GB discs next gen? :P That would be one giant disc :P
[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Does that really take 20 GB+? Uncompressed audio takes a LOT of space. It really hasn't been doable until Blu-Ray, tbh. So are we looking at 500 GB discs next gen? :P I guess we'll see. Really, though, if you're going to install the game, Blu-Ray isn't necessary. You can just uncompress the files during installation (though video and audio might still be compressed so you're hard drive doesn't asplode). So it's really only needed for consoles.
So... they were too lazy to compress? :Prpgs_shall_rule
Why compress and lose quality when you have 50GB of free space? Plus, this is a deterrent to the pirating of KZ3. Im sure its that large due to duplicate data to improve loading.
WOW :o imagine that on the Xbox... a lot of discsxxFallenAngel
Compression. KZ is like MGS4 where the cutscenes are in-engine, unlike FFXIII which is prerecorded CGI. Therefore, the difference is going to be mostly audio. Since the 360 does not output 7.1 there is no reason not to heavy compress the audio. Indeed, unless you have 7.1 in your sound system it won't make a difference. Bottomline is that almost certainly it would fit on 1 DVD, with 2 being the maximum needed for the 360.
Odd considering the likely hood that KZ3 has 41 gigs of actual unique content is virtually nil. Probably just didn't compress it to deter piracy and reused a lot of data to make it easier to load off the slow blu-ray drives. Heck Crysis is what 9 gigs and it destroys console graphics. Also probably a lot of uncompressed audio too.
More than likely at least half of that is data recycling to improve load times. I see no other real reason it would take this much space.
Vaasman
thats what i was thinking. repeating data and dummy data to improve loading times without an install. the bit about needing no install for it to run kinda gave that away.
Dont people realize that its not the power of the bluray? Its the lack of power behind the PS3.All that space usedis for pre rendered cutscenes and video used. Only about 10 Gb is most likley used for texture and graphics storage.
Cutscenes, most likely - same reason FFXIII had an inflated size, as uncompressed 1080p video eats up gigabytes like mad. There's probably some repeated data here and there for more commonly accessed assets, courtesy of the slow Blu-ray drive.
so it looks worse than crysis, shattered horizons, mirrors edge, and a bunch of other pc games, however takes up almost 3 to four times more space. talk about efficiency, especially for a game that is going to be a corridor shooter
so it looks worse than crysis, shattered horizons, mirrors edge, and a bunch of other pc games, however takes up almost 3 to four times more space. talk about efficiency, especially for a game that is going to be a corridor shooter
I have a hunch that a good chunk of it is garbage files, meant to pad the .iso and help reduce piracy. Sony is probably hoping that people will see a file that large online and forgo downloading it due to time/bandwidth/storage limitations. Some Dreamcast developers took similar measures back in the day, but pirates found ways around it.
Ehhhhh. 41gb game has still been heavily compressed. Try recording a game via fraps. a 5 minute video = several GBs. if MGS4 was 100% TRUE lossless/uncompressed 1080p/7.1 it would need 30 blu-rays or more to play >.
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