lemming logic is flawed...

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

hmm....I'd love to see a listing for all the components ofthis gaming PC for $400.

rybe1025

Here is what that $400 gets you:

So what did I get for 399?
AMD X2 5000+ (99$)
2GB DDR2 800 (39$)
ATI Radeon 3850 256 MB (140$)
Motherboard (50$)
Casing+PSU (50$)
DVD ROM (20$)
(used old HDD with XP, everyone has one right?)

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] Ohh so I have to add the cost of a screen I bought almost 5 years ago today? Please. Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

[QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]


But they sure are trying. Even in this very thread.


Lemmings like to mention at every possible chance how the PS3's multiplats are always so inferior to the 360 versions, but the second someone says the same thing about PC/360 multiplats it's "STOP HIDING BEHIND THE PC".

For the past 6 months it's just been "PC/360 games should count as exclusives" threads one after the other. Whether it's console exclusive or MS exclusive or whatever.

And you guys are sitting here telling me to stop making this up, that no one is doing that.


Lemmings are actually turning being a fanboy (ie owning only one console) into a virtue in SW, when owning mutliple systems used to considered a good thing.

Hurr durr stop hiding behind the PC I only have a 360 so that makes me better than you hurr durr

Well hey guess what, I just happen to own a gaming PC and a PS3. I'm not hiding behind anything, I'm actually just more of a gamer than you are. There I said it.

dsmccracken

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237787 Looks like 400 dollars is possible after all. And there have been threads claiming crysis can be played on a PC for that price here.

Animal-Mother

and how long after the game was released did he take to build it? 5 months it seems from that forum post.
He doesn't add the taxes he had to pay and he doesn't buy a mouse, keyboard, monitor, OS or even a HARD DRIVE for it and even mentions who doesn't have those laying around....? who? casuals thats who and most PC users don't have them laying around nearly every single build of a PC that could play Crysis at any relevent quality are built by Fanatical PC fans with loads of spare parts laying around and even then they don't add the taxes paid and the money paid for the games them selves into the price.

Now lets look at this 399 dollar PC that he built all most entirely out of spare parts he had laying around. with most of his money going into less items then the spare parts he used.

Resolution: 1360*768
Settings: High
FPS: 15 (big firefights) - 35

15 FPS? and 35?

We'll how hermits claim is that no game is worth playing at below 60 FPS. So a system barely capable of playing the game at 35 FPS at 399 dollars with none of the parts that most casual users would need to buy and no tax added to that number....and 5 months after the original crysis's release....yeah

The Lemmings need to stop with their illogical talk.

they say that because it's not on PS3 then it's exclusive by that logic if games came out for wii and PS3 then would that make it a PS3 exclusive ?

this is ridicolous just accept the fact that PC is another system.

be happy with your gamelist that are exclusive

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

hmm....I'd love to see a listing for all the components ofthis gaming PC for $400.

Animal-Mother

Also he used a old HDD and a old OS. Those need to be factored into the price.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]Exactly. The 360 is a generic machine because most of its games can be played on another system. The PS3 is unique in that most of its good games can only be played on it. Lems want to try and force the 360 to be unique.....Well, it's not.....Deal with it.

furomaster_99

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]Exactly. The 360 is a generic machine because most of its games can be played on another system. The PS3 is unique in that most of its good games can only be played on it. Lems want to try and force the 360 to be unique.....Well, it's not.....Deal with it.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] No but people compare the new Price to the PS3 200 vs 600. Why not 400 vs 600. Thats the price i bought my 360 at.Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]and it is TRUE that you attack microsoft for every thing they do and support sony for every thing they do its a simple fact you do it all the time,STRETCH-E

No it's not. Honestly, how would you even know?

as for that you keep saying herp derp and its actually been quite offensive the entire time because your off handedly calling people retarded with those words.WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]You can play the 360 games with the $199 system so why try and use the more expensive system because you decided on a more expensive 360?rybe1025

The Lemmings need to stop with their illogical talk.

they say that because it's not on PS3 then it's exclusive by that logic if games came out for wii and PS3 then would that make it a PS3 exclusive ?

this is ridicolous just accept the fact that PC is another system.

be happy with your gamelist that are exclusive

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]You can play the 360 games with the $199 system so why try and use the more expensive system because you decided on a more expensive 360?dsmccracken

I live in Canada, where are you getting $1000 from. It was more like $750 from what I calculated.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] you mean the 400 dollar system that i had to buy right?Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

No it's not. Honestly, how would you even know?

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]as for that you keep saying herp derp and its actually been quite offensive the entire time because your off handedly calling people retarded with those words.WilliamRLBaker

Right so I "always support Sony in everything they do" and "bash MS every chance I get" because I talk about cows and lemmings in the context of SW?

Do you even understand the conversation we're having right now?
What about the words? Are you ok with the words?
Do you need some definitions and/or explanations so you can make competent posts?

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] you mean the 400 dollar system that i had to buy right?ActicEdge

I live in Canada, where are you getting $1000 from. It was more like $750 from what I calculated.

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"] Let's be frank, when you say "most of it's good games", you're talking about the exclusives. But the truth of the matter is that this is the gen of the multiplat, and most games good/bad/otherwise are NOT exclusive. If a PS3 owner were forced to play it's exclusives and ONLY exclusives, that would be the quickest dying console in the history of gaming. The fact that the 360 has such a large multiplat crossover with the PS3, and that so many of those multiplats are superior on the 360, is a major problem for the PS3 whether you want to recognize it or not. And though the 360 shares even more games with the PC, dismissing it as therefore generic (your basic premise) is missing the point: that though it shares games with the PS3 and the PC, this is a benefit rather than a detriment since it means a 360 can have those experiences for $250, rather than shelling out $400 for a PS3 and at LEAST another $400 for a gaming PC. That versatilty IS unique. On top of this, the 360 has it's own exclusives, as it's an overblown SW myth that the PC gets every 360 exclusive, or even most.

dsmccracken

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]Yes or anyone else that bought that 360. The arcade is $199 so no reason to use the $399 price.dsmccracken

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]You can play the 360 games with the $199 system so why try and use the more expensive system because you decided on a more expensive 360?rybe1025

eh....I think it's fair to list the X360 as costing $300 and the PS3 at $400.

Personally, I paid $400 for the X360 (Dec 05)and $600 for the PS3 (Feb07)

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] you mean the 400 dollar system that i had to buy right?Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] you mean the 400 dollar system that i had to buy right?LosDaddie

eh....I think it's fair to list the X360 as costing $300 and the PS3 at $400.

Personally, I paid $400 for the X360 (Dec 05)and $600 for the PS3 (Feb07)

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"] Believe me, no PS3 owner wins in a "original launch sticker price" argument. Here in Canada, your launch PS3 set you back nearly $1000.dsmccracken

I live in Canada, where are you getting $1000 from. It was more like $750 from what I calculated.

I live in Ontario. The original price was $650 that I saw plus about a hundred in taxes. I don't have a PS3 either, this is just from what I calculated plus what my friends told me there's cost. 15% taxes.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]Yes or anyone else that bought that 360. The arcade is $199 so no reason to use the $399 price.rybe1025

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]Yes or anyone else that bought that 360. The arcade is $199 so no reason to use the $399 price.rybe1025

eh....I think it's fair to list the X360 as costing $300 and the PS3 at $400.

Personally, I paid $400 for the X360 (Dec 05)and $600 for the PS3 (Feb07)

I get your point, but I think you're being a bit disingenuous.

Sure, you can get an X360 for $200, but you're missing out on a lot of the features & services.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] theres a reason to use the original price because i bought it at that or wait maybe I should say 600 Dollars. Considering my 400 dollar one broke then I had to buy another one. So in essence to some people the 360 is the cost of a PS3

Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] theres a reason to use the original price because i bought it at that or wait maybe I should say 600 Dollars. Considering my 400 dollar one broke then I had to buy another one. So in essence to some people the 360 is the cost of a PS3

Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

eh....I think it's fair to list the X360 as costing $300 and the PS3 at $400.

Personally, I paid $400 for the X360 (Dec 05)and $600 for the PS3 (Feb07)

LosDaddie

I get your point, but I think you're being a bit disingenuous.

Sure, you can get an X360 for $200, but you're missing out on a lot of the features & services.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="rybe1025"] Ok I bud I am done. First you do not want to use any way of comparing the systems on System Wars since the 360 beats the PS3 in every way. Your link for the $400 PC is just some random guy on a forum and even then he has no links to where he bought the stuff. Also he did not include the HDD and OS price into it. Now you think we should not use the $199 360 price but only the $399 price tag.rybe1025

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]I only go by the cheapest form for systems. If that system is all that is needed to play retail games then that is all that is needed. The rest is just upgraded versions if the person would like them.rybe1025

I get your point, but I think you're being a bit disingenuous.

Sure, you can get an X360 for $200, but you're missing out on a lot of the features & services.

Sorry, but I have to agree with AM on this one. The $300 X360 is the SKU I'd use for a comparison.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="furomaster_99"]Lets be frank....MS started the gen of multiplats by buying out exclusives due to lack of their own original games. No, the 360 is not unique.

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=73905

VS

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=72386

Comparing those two is far more fair than anything as an avid 360 gamer you need a hard drive. U have a hard drive don't you? I mean

when people compare their right.

360 is the cost of a ps3 for some people.

I needed a Wireless adapter. And yes you may not realize some people do need it.
I like tyo play XBL and the 3 years i've had 360 thats a 150 extra dollars

you might as well throw in an extra 20 bux for a plug and play kit because 5 dollars for a thing of two double AA batteries I Wonder how much a year I used to spend on those.

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"] The whys are irrelevant to the reality on the ground. Who started what is besides the point. I made a case for the 360 being unique in its crossover with multiple different systems for one low price. Saying simply "no it's not" does not make it stop being true, and it's baffling that you'd think that would suffice.dsmccracken

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

I get your point, but I think you're being a bit disingenuous.

Sure, you can get an X360 for $200, but you're missing out on a lot of the features & services.

LosDaddie

Sorry, but I have to agree with AM on this one. The $300 X360 is the SKU I'd use for a comparison.

Show me where lemmings call 360/PC games exclusive to 360, THEN we can talk. Also, even if we allow that a $700 PC can qualify as a "gaming" pc, it still requires you to pay minimum $1100 to combat the $250 X360... is that really an argument you want to make with a straight face?dsmccracken

I'll take two hits of whatever you are smoking.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]You miss out on some but not a lot. Arcade still is able to play online and any retail.Animal-Mother

Sorry, but I have to agree with AM on this one. The $300 X360 is the SKU I'd use for a comparison.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I live in Canada, where are you getting $1000 from. It was more like $750 from what I calculated.

I live in Ontario. The original price was $650 that I saw plus about a hundred in taxes. I don't have a PS3 either, this is just from what I calculated plus what my friends told me there's cost. 15% taxes.

The original price was not $650, it was $699.99 CDN. So after taxes we're talking over $800 CDN, then add the (unincluded) HDMI cord for more... that's nearly a grand in my book. If not... still much, MUCH more than the 360 for a nearly identical gaming experience.dsmccracken

Yeah, identical.

You know, except for the games.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] theres a reason to use the original price because i bought it at that or wait maybe I should say 600 Dollars. Considering my 400 dollar one broke then I had to buy another one. So in essence to some people the 360 is the cost of a PS3

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="rybe1025"] Ok I bud I am done. First you do not want to use any way of comparing the systems on System Wars since the 360 beats the PS3 in every way. Your link for the $400 PC is just some random guy on a forum and even then he has no links to where he bought the stuff. Also he did not include the HDD and OS price into it. Now you think we should not use the $199 360 price but only the $399 price tag.dsmccracken

.... should we include the price of an HDTV? because monitors are generally cheeper then TVs.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="rybe1025"] Ok I bud I am done. First you do not want to use any way of comparing the systems on System Wars since the 360 beats the PS3 in every way. Your link for the $400 PC is just some random guy on a forum and even then he has no links to where he bought the stuff. Also he did not include the HDD and OS price into it. Now you think we should not use the $199 360 price but only the $399 price tag.dsmccracken

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]The original price was not $650, it was $699.99 CDN. So after taxes we're talking over $800 CDN, then add the (unincluded) HDMI cord for more... that's nearly a grand in my book. If not... still much, MUCH more than the 360 for a nearly identical gaming experience.Irick_cb

Yeah, identical.

You know, except for the games.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"] What province are you from that the taxes only reached $50? Are you native and not subject to taxes when you flash your card?dsmccracken

I live in Ontario. The original price was $650 that I saw plus about a hundred in taxes. I don't have a PS3 either, this is just from what I calculated plus what my friends told me there's cost. 15% taxes.

I wasn't arguing price vs price. I wasjust curiouswhere you got $1000 from. So it was about $800, I was a little off but that's still not $1000. (no the price of cables does not count, I don't need them to play the system so its an extra, not a necesssity)

when people compare their right.

360 is the cost of a ps3 for some people.

I needed a Wireless adapter. And yes you may not realize some people do need it.
I like tyo play XBL and the 3 years i've had 360 thats a 150 extra dollars

you might as well throw in an extra 20 bux for a plug and play kit because 5 dollars for a thing of two double AA batteries I Wonder how much a year I used to spend on those.

Animal-Mother

You forgot to add a Blu-Ray player. :roll:

[QUOTE="Irick_cb"]

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]The original price was not $650, it was $699.99 CDN. So after taxes we're talking over $800 CDN, then add the (unincluded) HDMI cord for more... that's nearly a grand in my book. If not... still much, MUCH more than the 360 for a nearly identical gaming experience.dsmccracken

Yeah, identical.

You know, except for the games.

But they aren't identical.

Not in the least.

The only thing even similar about them is that they are not the wii.

Multiplats make up a very small percentage of my library, sense few of them are worth playing.

Exclusives are usually what define console experience.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] Ohh so I bought a system at 400 dollars and now I cant say I bought it at 400? You wanna hear something really really funny. I bought My ps3 at a cheaper price than my 360. Sorry. You guys compare the most expensive Ps3 to the cheapest 360. Why dont you make it even sided Elite 360 Vs Ps3

rybe1025