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#151 h575309
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[QUOTE="AvalonSaber"]

[QUOTE="Richymisiak"][QUOTE="AvalonSaber"]

exactly, finally people with some sense here!!

this post should be in flashing,orange, bold, 10cm high font

Ya seriously, people that claim that mass effect, l4d etc are exclusive to the xbox360 are stupid BUT just because it is on the PC it doesnt suddenly detract from the overall xbox360 library.

btw fairly new to gamespot and loving system wars, full of lulz :D

Ive been saying this forever but all anyone cares about are "exclusives" here so whatever. The logic in this forum makes me want to bang my head on my desk. But I dont.
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#152 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Lemming logic is flawed, cow logic is flawed when they use Sony exclusives(PS3, PS2, PSP), works both ways.

ActicEdge

I'm more appalled by the fact that some people here are acting like any faction has ever gotten away using that argument. They haven't and never will.

Yeah, that is true, I wish lems stop using 360/PC games as exclusives and just call them games, and for cows to stop using Sony exclusives(PS3, PS2, PSP) though that doesn't happen a lot thankfully. This isn't company wars.
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#153 AvalonSaber
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[QUOTE="AvalonSaber"]

[QUOTE="Richymisiak"] this post should be in flashing,orange, bold, 10cm high fonth575309

Ya seriously, people that claim that mass effect, l4d etc are exclusive to the xbox360 are stupid BUT just because it is on the PC it doesnt suddenly detract from the overall xbox360 library.

btw fairly new to gamespot and loving system wars, full of lulz :D

Ive been saying this forever but all anyone cares about are "exclusives" here so whatever. The logic in this forum makes me want to bang my head on my desk. But I dont.

Seriously lol, now to watch this "war" unfold while i eat cereal. This is much better than monday morning tv :)

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#154 h575309
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360/PCgames mean 360/PChave advantage over PS3, PS3/PC games mean PS3/PC had advantage over 360, 360/PS3 games mean 360/PS3 have advantage over PC. so they can be used as ownage. not every cow has ps3 and a high end pc

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obviously I agree but that quote in ur sig is priceless. Wow. Thats just wow. Nelly?
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#155 mitu123
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[QUOTE="deadesa"][QUOTE="whatisazerg"]

LOL.... hold on a min.I thought they were multiplats....?? Now all of a sudden they are "pc games"? There's some cow logic for ya.

nyctota

Yeah why would someone need to have a gaming pc and a 360 to play a 360/pc multiplat??

why would someone even need a xbox360 in general..

Why make a post like that when the spreadsheets show that 360 has exclusives?
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#156 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="rybe1025"]So you do not think on system wars we should have any form of comparing systems. I disagree. rybe1025

I never said that. Like I said fanboys just use numbers and stuff for ownage against other fanboys. When your sitting in class or at dinner or whatever your doing. Do you really think about how much better the 360 is because it sells more? Or at the end of the night don't you just like to play games. Because when I see fanboys pull out numbers about how many more AAA's a system has or how it sold 8 million more then it's competetion i see it as grasping for straws to make your self feel better.

You are right when I am eating dinner I do not talk about this stuff. When I am on here though this is a place to talk about it. So do you think there should be any way of comparing systems while on System Wars not while I am eating dinner. As far as myself I do think scores and sales are ways of comparing systems

I never said there shouldnt be a way to compare but claiming 360 is better than ps3 because it sold more is ludicrous (more popular yes better thats upto the user). People play what they want to play better is subjective.Your right the 360 does have more games and what not and has sold more. But to call it better by those standards is like i said ludicrous only because people play what they want to play in the end. Thats why i say fanboys let these numbers determine what they wanna play. Gamers play regardless.

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#157 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I'm more appalled by the fact that some people here are acting like any faction has ever gotten away using that argument. They haven't and never will.

ActicEdge

because those same people have tried to make the argument or supported the argument by others that said games should be considered exclusive.

And they have all equally been shot down everytime. There has never been any exceptions so its not like any faction is getting unfair treatment, that's my point.

yes but it ties into their never ending crusade to get said stuff marked exclusive by attacking others and claiming their products were made exclusive. with the chief one from cows being that GRAW 2 or was it 1? was made exclusive but MLB 09 wasn't.
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Lemming logic is flawed, cow logic is flawed when they use Sony exclusives(PS3, PS2, PSP), works both ways.

ActicEdge

I'm more appalled by the fact that some people here are acting like any faction has ever gotten away using that argument. They haven't and never will.




But they sure are trying. Even in this very thread.


Lemmings like to mention at every possible chance how the PS3's multiplats are always so inferior to the 360 versions, but the second someone says the same thing about PC/360 multiplats it's "STOP HIDING BEHIND THE PC".

For the past 6 months it's just been "PC/360 games should count as exclusives" threads one after the other. Whether it's console exclusive or MS exclusive or whatever.

And you guys are sitting here telling me to stop making this up, that no one is doing that.


Lemmings are actually turning being a fanboy (ie owning only one console) into a virtue in SW, when owning mutliple systems used to considered a good thing.

Hurr durr stop hiding behind the PC I only have a 360 so that makes me better than you hurr durr


Well hey guess what, I just happen to own a gaming PC and a PS3. I'm not hiding behind anything, I'm actually just more of a gamer than you are. There I said it.

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] because those same people have tried to make the argument or supported the argument by others that said games should be considered exclusive.WilliamRLBaker

And they have all equally been shot down everytime. There has never been any exceptions so its not like any faction is getting unfair treatment, that's my point.

yes but it ties into their never ending crusade to get said stuff marked exclusive by attacking others and claiming their products were made exclusive. with the chief one from cows being that GRAW 2 or was it 1? was made exclusive but MLB 09 wasn't.

GRAW 1, and they're different, I have them. I don't see MLB 09 The Show being exclusive since MLB 08 The Show wasn't and there wasn't enough info to make it different, seems like a superior multiplat.
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[QUOTE="nyctota"]

...calling MLB the show multi platform and 360/pc games 360 exclusives and excluding pc as a gaming platform..

...calling pc super computers is just wrong, 99% of the games you dont even need a ''super computer'' 700$ pc can do the job easy

...calling games M$ windows exclusive why not call it nvidia exclusive or intel exclusive since no one ownes the pc platform.. pc= open platform

...trying to claim ownage on cows by saying you cant play it on ps3.... i have a ps3/pc, this but but you cant play it on ps3 wont work on me

i have all the rights to play your so called exclusives on my pc.... why not call those games pc exclusive ?

Show me where lemmings call 360/PC games exclusive to 360, THEN we can talk. Also, even if we allow that a $700 PC can qualify as a "gaming" pc, it still requires you to pay minimum $1100 to combat the $250 X360... is that really an argument you want to make with a straight face?
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#161 h575309
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Lemming logic is flawed, cow logic is flawed when they use Sony exclusives(PS3, PS2, PSP), works both ways.

STRETCH-E

I'm more appalled by the fact that some people here are acting like any faction has ever gotten away using that argument. They haven't and never will.




But they sure are trying. Even in this very thread.


Lemmings like to mention at every possible chance how the PS3's multiplats are always so inferior to the 360 versions, but the second someone says the same thing about PC/360 multiplats it's "STOP HIDING BEHIND THE PC".

For the past 6 months it's just been "PC/360 games should count as exclusives" threads one after the other. Whether it's console exclusive or MS exclusive or whatever.

And you guys are sitting here telling to stop making this up, that no one is doing that.


Lemmings are actually turning being a fanboy (ie owning only one console) into a virtue in SW, when owning mutliple systems used to considered a good thing.

Hurr durr stop hiding behind the PC I only have a 360 so that makes me better than you hurr durr


Well hey guess what, I just happen to own a gaming PC and a PS3. I'm not hiding behind anything, I'm actually just more of a gamer than you are. There I said it.

Maybe you should go play some Orange Box on ur ps3. or maybe fallout 3. or wait youll just play it on ur pc sorry. and I happen to own all systems. soooo am I "more of a gamer" than you? what kind of logic is that

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But they sure are trying. Even in this very thread.


Lemmings like to mention at every possible chance how the PS3's multiplats are always so inferior to the 360 versions, but the second someone says the same thing about PC/360 multiplats it's "STOP HIDING BEHIND THE PC".

For the past 6 months it's just been "PC/360 games should count as exclusives" threads one after the other. Whether it's console exclusive or MS exclusive or whatever.

And you guys are sitting here telling me to stop making this up, that no one is doing that.


Lemmings are actually turning being a fanboy (ie owning only one console) into a virtue in SW, when owning mutliple systems used to considered a good thing.

Hurr durr stop hiding behind the PC I only have a 360 so that makes me better than you hurr durr


Well hey guess what, I just happen to own a gaming PC and a PS3. I'm not hiding behind anything, I'm actually just more of a gamer than you are. There I said it.

STRETCH-E

lol except you ARE making it up there have been threads but you make it out that Lemmings are the source of evil on system wars they are the only ones doing wrong, you mentioned once about cows being just as bad as lemmings in this thread then you go back on your diatribe that makes you seem to be saying exactly one thing.

1.lemmings are the only evil on this forum all other fanboy groups are good and wholesome and rightous.

2.cows never make bad or illogical arguments.

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Lemming logic is flawed, cow logic is flawed when they use Sony exclusives(PS3, PS2, PSP), works both ways.

STRETCH-E

I'm more appalled by the fact that some people here are acting like any faction has ever gotten away using that argument. They haven't and never will.




But they sure are trying. Even in this very thread.


Lemmings like to mention at every possible chance how the PS3's multiplats are always so inferior to the 360 versions, but the second someone says the same thing about PC/360 multiplats it's "STOP HIDING BEHIND THE PC".

For the past 6 months it's just been "PC/360 games should count as exclusives" threads one after the other. Whether it's console exclusive or MS exclusive or whatever.

And you guys are sitting here telling me to stop making this up, that no one is doing that.


Lemmings are actually turning being a fanboy (ie owning only one console) into a virtue in SW, when owning mutliple systems used to considered a good thing.

Hurr durr stop hiding behind the PC I only have a 360 so that makes me better than you hurr durr


Well hey guess what, I just happen to own a gaming PC and a PS3. I'm not hiding behind anything, I'm actually just more of a gamer than you are. There I said it.

You miss a major distinction. In a PS3 vs. 360 debate, which quite frankly accounts for the large majority of SW traffic, a multiplat being superior on one rather than the other is directly relevant, while a multiplat being superior on the PC (vs. the 360) is not. If one were debating whether the Sox or Yanks were superior, is it really relevant to bring up the Dodgers?

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[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="nyctota"]

...calling MLB the show multi platform and 360/pc games 360 exclusives and excluding pc as a gaming platform..

...calling pc super computers is just wrong, 99% of the games you dont even need a ''super computer'' 700$ pc can do the job easy

...calling games M$ windows exclusive why not call it nvidia exclusive or intel exclusive since no one ownes the pc platform.. pc= open platform

...trying to claim ownage on cows by saying you cant play it on ps3.... i have a ps3/pc, this but but you cant play it on ps3 wont work on me

i have all the rights to play your so called exclusives on my pc.... why not call those games pc exclusive ?

Show me where lemmings call 360/PC games exclusive to 360, THEN we can talk. Also, even if we allow that a $700 PC can qualify as a "gaming" pc, it still requires you to pay minimum $1100 to combat the $250 X360... is that really an argument you want to make with a straight face?

a thousand dollar mininum? WHat happened to the 400 dollar PC's that can run crysis ohh and you forgot about this little number http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54613
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="nyctota"]

...calling MLB the show multi platform and 360/pc games 360 exclusives and excluding pc as a gaming platform..

...calling pc super computers is just wrong, 99% of the games you dont even need a ''super computer'' 700$ pc can do the job easy

...calling games M$ windows exclusive why not call it nvidia exclusive or intel exclusive since no one ownes the pc platform.. pc= open platform

...trying to claim ownage on cows by saying you cant play it on ps3.... i have a ps3/pc, this but but you cant play it on ps3 wont work on me

i have all the rights to play your so called exclusives on my pc.... why not call those games pc exclusive ?

Show me where lemmings call 360/PC games exclusive to 360, THEN we can talk. Also, even if we allow that a $700 PC can qualify as a "gaming" pc, it still requires you to pay minimum $1100 to combat the $250 X360... is that really an argument you want to make with a straight face?

a thousand dollar mininum? WHat happened to the 400 dollar PC's that can run crysis ohh and you forgot about this little number http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54613

how many years after crysis was released? did that PC exist upon crysis release? as for that your link isn't working it links to an article that mentions nothing that then links to an article that is 404.
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] I never said that. Like I said fanboys just use numbers and stuff for ownage against other fanboys. When your sitting in class or at dinner or whatever your doing. Do you really think about how much better the 360 is because it sells more? Or at the end of the night don't you just like to play games. Because when I see fanboys pull out numbers about how many more AAA's a system has or how it sold 8 million more then it's competetion i see it as grasping for straws to make your self feel better.

You are right when I am eating dinner I do not talk about this stuff. When I am on here though this is a place to talk about it. So do you think there should be any way of comparing systems while on System Wars not while I am eating dinner. As far as myself I do think scores and sales are ways of comparing systems

I never said there shouldnt be a way to compare but claiming 360 is better than ps3 because it sold more is ludicrous (more popular yes better thats upto the user). People play what they want to play better is subjective.Your right the 360 does have more games and what not and has sold more. But to call it better by those standards is like i said ludicrous only because people play what they want to play in the end. Thats why i say fanboys let these numbers determine what they wanna play. Gamers play regardless.

Selling more makes 2 things superior: online community and the ability to trade and borrow games w/ friends. For the last, if the 360 sells millions more than the PS3, then it stands to reason that the AVERAGE 360 owner knows more people who own that console than the PS3, and can save mucho $ by trading and borrowing, and play more games. Can you honestly say that that wouldn't directly lead to greater opportunities for enjoyment?
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The PS3 is so boring that even cows now don't know what to do except to bash a Video game on a forum -_- Nice Job!
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Lemming logic is flawed, cow logic is flawed when they use Sony exclusives(PS3, PS2, PSP), works both ways.

STRETCH-E

I'm more appalled by the fact that some people here are acting like any faction has ever gotten away using that argument. They haven't and never will.




But they sure are trying. Even in this very thread.


Lemmings like to mention at every possible chance how the PS3's multiplats are always so inferior to the 360 versions, but the second someone says the same thing about PC/360 multiplats it's "STOP HIDING BEHIND THE PC".

For the past 6 months it's just been "PC/360 games should count as exclusives" threads one after the other. Whether it's console exclusive or MS exclusive or whatever.

And you guys are sitting here telling me to stop making this up, that no one is doing that.


Lemmings are actually turning being a fanboy (ie owning only one console) into a virtue in SW, when owning mutliple systems used to considered a good thing.

Hurr durr stop hiding behind the PC I only have a 360 so that makes me better than you hurr durr


Well hey guess what, I just happen to own a gaming PC and a PS3. I'm not hiding behind anything, I'm actually just more of a gamer than you are. There I said it.

That is a ridiculous notion, I'm sorry but trying to tell me that lemmings are the only ones that do this is beyond logical thinking. Lemmings flaunt there superior multiplats against the PS3 in 360 vs PS3 threads. That's a win for them because they have the better version of a game, how can you expect themnot to brag to cows? When someone says they have the inferior 360/PC multiplat version, they cn't say anything because they all know its true. When a cow or sheep says that however they say stop hiding behind the PC because none of those factions can play the game they are talking about. They are hiding behind PC to make themselves feel better since they missed out on a quality title. That is absoltely a valid complaint because its the other side being picky.

Only fanboys say 360/PC multiplats should be exclusive. In this thread you have had several rational minded posters admit to you that fanboy lemmings do this and they are wrong. Are you going to dwell on this forever cause you don't seem to want to let go of fanboy drivel. No one is saying no one says this, they are saying fanboys say this and that you should ignore them because they are wrong.

Acting like lemmings are turning single console ownage into a virtue is just being btitter and picky honetly. That's what fanboys do, all fanboys not just lemmings. As for the last part, in the context of the argument we are discussing, owning a PC is irrelevant to a 360 vs PS3 thread so it is hiding. The PC is not mentioned as part of the comparison so bringing it up is being petty quite honestly. And for the gamer part, the amount of game systems you own do not define you as a gamer. Take the true gamer/better gamer crap out of here, you ain't fooling anyone and it most definitely has no bearing on this thread.

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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"] Show me where lemmings call 360/PC games exclusive to 360, THEN we can talk. Also, even if we allow that a $700 PC can qualify as a "gaming" pc, it still requires you to pay minimum $1100 to combat the $250 X360... is that really an argument you want to make with a straight face?WilliamRLBaker
a thousand dollar mininum? WHat happened to the 400 dollar PC's that can run crysis ohh and you forgot about this little number http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54613

how many years after crysis was released? did that PC exist upon crysis release? as for that your link isn't working it links to an article that mentions nothing that then links to an article that is 404.


It didnt even take a year. It took 9 months. It launched with warheads release.


http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54613

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Lemming logic is flawed, cow logic is flawed when they use Sony exclusives(PS3, PS2, PSP), works both ways.

STRETCH-E

I'm more appalled by the fact that some people here are acting like any faction has ever gotten away using that argument. They haven't and never will.




But they sure are trying. Even in this very thread.


Lemmings like to mention at every possible chance how the PS3's multiplats are always so inferior to the 360 versions, but the second someone says the same thing about PC/360 multiplats it's "STOP HIDING BEHIND THE PC".

For the past 6 months it's just been "PC/360 games should count as exclusives" threads one after the other. Whether it's console exclusive or MS exclusive or whatever.

And you guys are sitting here telling me to stop making this up, that no one is doing that.


Lemmings are actually turning being a fanboy (ie owning only one console) into a virtue in SW, when owning mutliple systems used to considered a good thing.

Hurr durr stop hiding behind the PC I only have a 360 so that makes me better than you hurr durr


Well hey guess what, I just happen to own a gaming PC and a PS3. I'm not hiding behind anything, I'm actually just more of a gamer than you are. There I said it.

Exactly. The 360 is a generic machine because most of its games can be played on another system. The PS3 is unique in that most of its good games can only be played on it. Lems want to try and force the 360 to be unique.....Well, it's not.....Deal with it.

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[QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I'm more appalled by the fact that some people here are acting like any faction has ever gotten away using that argument. They haven't and never will.

furomaster_99




But they sure are trying. Even in this very thread.


Lemmings like to mention at every possible chance how the PS3's multiplats are always so inferior to the 360 versions, but the second someone says the same thing about PC/360 multiplats it's "STOP HIDING BEHIND THE PC".

For the past 6 months it's just been "PC/360 games should count as exclusives" threads one after the other. Whether it's console exclusive or MS exclusive or whatever.

And you guys are sitting here telling me to stop making this up, that no one is doing that.


Lemmings are actually turning being a fanboy (ie owning only one console) into a virtue in SW, when owning mutliple systems used to considered a good thing.

Hurr durr stop hiding behind the PC I only have a 360 so that makes me better than you hurr durr


Well hey guess what, I just happen to own a gaming PC and a PS3. I'm not hiding behind anything, I'm actually just more of a gamer than you are. There I said it.

Exactly. The 360 is a generic machine because most of its games can be played on another system. The PS3 is unique in that most of its good games can only be played on it. Lems want to try and force the 360 to be unique.....Well, it's not.....Deal with it.

Wow do you even realise that the 360 has way more exclusive than the PS3? AAAe and AAe wise? Not counting the 360/PC exclusive that can';t be played to.

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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="nyctota"]

...calling MLB the show multi platform and 360/pc games 360 exclusives and excluding pc as a gaming platform..

...calling pc super computers is just wrong, 99% of the games you dont even need a ''super computer'' 700$ pc can do the job easy

...calling games M$ windows exclusive why not call it nvidia exclusive or intel exclusive since no one ownes the pc platform.. pc= open platform

...trying to claim ownage on cows by saying you cant play it on ps3.... i have a ps3/pc, this but but you cant play it on ps3 wont work on me

i have all the rights to play your so called exclusives on my pc.... why not call those games pc exclusive ?

Show me where lemmings call 360/PC games exclusive to 360, THEN we can talk. Also, even if we allow that a $700 PC can qualify as a "gaming" pc, it still requires you to pay minimum $1100 to combat the $250 X360... is that really an argument you want to make with a straight face?

a thousand dollar mininum? WHat happened to the 400 dollar PC's that can run crysis ohh and you forgot about this little number http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54613

By show of hands, how many people here game on a $400 pc, monitor and all? Yeah, that's what I thought. Even allowing your rock-bottom pc scenario (which I don't), it still makes it $800 vs. $250. Nice try, though.
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[QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I'm more appalled by the fact that some people here are acting like any faction has ever gotten away using that argument. They haven't and never will.

furomaster_99




But they sure are trying. Even in this very thread.


Lemmings like to mention at every possible chance how the PS3's multiplats are always so inferior to the 360 versions, but the second someone says the same thing about PC/360 multiplats it's "STOP HIDING BEHIND THE PC".

For the past 6 months it's just been "PC/360 games should count as exclusives" threads one after the other. Whether it's console exclusive or MS exclusive or whatever.

And you guys are sitting here telling me to stop making this up, that no one is doing that.


Lemmings are actually turning being a fanboy (ie owning only one console) into a virtue in SW, when owning mutliple systems used to considered a good thing.

Hurr durr stop hiding behind the PC I only have a 360 so that makes me better than you hurr durr


Well hey guess what, I just happen to own a gaming PC and a PS3. I'm not hiding behind anything, I'm actually just more of a gamer than you are. There I said it.

Exactly. The 360 is a generic machine because most of its games can be played on another system. The PS3 is unique in that most of its good games can only be played on it. Lems want to try and force the 360 to be unique.....Well, it's not.....Deal with it.

By this logic, the wii is the best console :| What horrible logic.

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#174 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"] Show me where lemmings call 360/PC games exclusive to 360, THEN we can talk. Also, even if we allow that a $700 PC can qualify as a "gaming" pc, it still requires you to pay minimum $1100 to combat the $250 X360... is that really an argument you want to make with a straight face?dsmccracken
a thousand dollar mininum? WHat happened to the 400 dollar PC's that can run crysis ohh and you forgot about this little number http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54613

By show of hands, how many people here game on a $400 pc, monitor and all? Yeah, that's what I thought. Even allowing your rock-bottom pc scenario (which I don't), it still makes it $800 vs. $250. Nice try, though.

Wait so I cant use an old PC screen? Please flat panels have been circulating since 2001 there more common than LCD tvs now.
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#175 STRETCH-E
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When a cow or sheep says that however they say stop hiding behind the PC because none of those factions can play the game they are talking about.ActicEdge

But I can. And you would most certainly consider me a cow no?

That's the point.

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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] a thousand dollar mininum? WHat happened to the 400 dollar PC's that can run crysis ohh and you forgot about this little number http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54613Animal-Mother

how many years after crysis was released? did that PC exist upon crysis release? as for that your link isn't working it links to an article that mentions nothing that then links to an article that is 404.


It didnt even take a year. It took 9 months. It launched with warheads release.


http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54613

um crysis warhead being a different game then crysis...yeah that PC didn't exist when the original crysis was released and its 699 dollars not 400 dollars.

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#177 furomaster_99
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[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

[QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]


But they sure are trying. Even in this very thread.


Lemmings like to mention at every possible chance how the PS3's multiplats are always so inferior to the 360 versions, but the second someone says the same thing about PC/360 multiplats it's "STOP HIDING BEHIND THE PC".

For the past 6 months it's just been "PC/360 games should count as exclusives" threads one after the other. Whether it's console exclusive or MS exclusive or whatever.

And you guys are sitting here telling me to stop making this up, that no one is doing that.


Lemmings are actually turning being a fanboy (ie owning only one console) into a virtue in SW, when owning mutliple systems used to considered a good thing.

Hurr durr stop hiding behind the PC I only have a 360 so that makes me better than you hurr durr


Well hey guess what, I just happen to own a gaming PC and a PS3. I'm not hiding behind anything, I'm actually just more of a gamer than you are. There I said it.

ActicEdge

Exactly. The 360 is a generic machine because most of its games can be played on another system. The PS3 is unique in that most of its good games can only be played on it. Lems want to try and force the 360 to be unique.....Well, it's not.....Deal with it.

By this logic, the wii is the best console :| What horrible logic.

No, but the Wii is unique. There is no denying that.

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#178 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] how many years after crysis was released? did that PC exist upon crysis release? as for that your link isn't working it links to an article that mentions nothing that then links to an article that is 404.WilliamRLBaker


It didnt even take a year. It took 9 months. It launched with warheads release.


http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54613

um crysis warhead being a different game then crysis...yeah that PC didn't exist when the original crysis was released and its 699 dollars not 400 dollars.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237787 Looks like 400 dollars is possible after all. And there have been threads claiming crysis can be played on a PC for that price here.

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]When a cow or sheep says that however they say stop hiding behind the PC because none of those factions can play the game they are talking about.STRETCH-E

But I can. And you would most certainly consider me a cow no?

That's the point.

because you are, you support Sony in every thing they do and you attack Microsoft in every thing they do in the console arena, I'm a lemming but i own a ps3 and soon will own a Wii again and i don't claim to not be a lemming or to be unbiased like you seem to constantly.

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#180 furomaster_99
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[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

[QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]


But they sure are trying. Even in this very thread.


Lemmings like to mention at every possible chance how the PS3's multiplats are always so inferior to the 360 versions, but the second someone says the same thing about PC/360 multiplats it's "STOP HIDING BEHIND THE PC".

For the past 6 months it's just been "PC/360 games should count as exclusives" threads one after the other. Whether it's console exclusive or MS exclusive or whatever.

And you guys are sitting here telling me to stop making this up, that no one is doing that.


Lemmings are actually turning being a fanboy (ie owning only one console) into a virtue in SW, when owning mutliple systems used to considered a good thing.

Hurr durr stop hiding behind the PC I only have a 360 so that makes me better than you hurr durr


Well hey guess what, I just happen to own a gaming PC and a PS3. I'm not hiding behind anything, I'm actually just more of a gamer than you are. There I said it.

DonMarkito

Exactly. The 360 is a generic machine because most of its games can be played on another system. The PS3 is unique in that most of its good games can only be played on it. Lems want to try and force the 360 to be unique.....Well, it's not.....Deal with it.

Wow do you even realise that the 360 has way more exclusive than the PS3? AAAe and AAe wise? Not counting the 360/PC exclusive that can';t be played to.

Oh really? So why are there tons of threads about the pc/360 issue? If it had enough exclusives there wouldn't be a discussion. ;)

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#181 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]When a cow or sheep says that however they say stop hiding behind the PC because none of those factions can play the game they are talking about.STRETCH-E

But I can. And you would most certainly consider me a cow no?

That's the point.

There was a lot more to my post than that one line.

Anyway, SW doesn't revolve around I or you or me. It revolves around the average, and the fact is that the averagecow/sheep won't be able to play the game they are trying to dismiss as inferrior. On top of that, in a thread where you are trying to dismiss the 360 version of a multiplat in a 360/PC thread you can oly come from one perspective. Either you are a cow or a hermit. The second you blend them, you are hiding behind the PC regardless of whether you can play it or not, it isn't the point of the thread. The point is the 360 got another quality game and the PS3 didn't. Its a loss for cows and using PC to lessen the damage is hiding. Its not a hard consept to understand.

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#182 dsmccracken
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[QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I'm more appalled by the fact that some people here are acting like any faction has ever gotten away using that argument. They haven't and never will.

furomaster_99




But they sure are trying. Even in this very thread.


Lemmings like to mention at every possible chance how the PS3's multiplats are always so inferior to the 360 versions, but the second someone says the same thing about PC/360 multiplats it's "STOP HIDING BEHIND THE PC".

For the past 6 months it's just been "PC/360 games should count as exclusives" threads one after the other. Whether it's console exclusive or MS exclusive or whatever.

And you guys are sitting here telling me to stop making this up, that no one is doing that.


Lemmings are actually turning being a fanboy (ie owning only one console) into a virtue in SW, when owning mutliple systems used to considered a good thing.

Hurr durr stop hiding behind the PC I only have a 360 so that makes me better than you hurr durr


Well hey guess what, I just happen to own a gaming PC and a PS3. I'm not hiding behind anything, I'm actually just more of a gamer than you are. There I said it.

Exactly. The 360 is a generic machine because most of its games can be played on another system. The PS3 is unique in that most of its good games can only be played on it. Lems want to try and force the 360 to be unique.....Well, it's not.....Deal with it.

Let's be frank, when you say "most of it's good games", you're talking about the exclusives. But the truth of the matter is that this is the gen of the multiplat, and most games good/bad/otherwise are NOT exclusive. If a PS3 owner were forced to play it's exclusives and ONLY exclusives, that would be the quickest dying console in the history of gaming. The fact that the 360 has such a large multiplat crossover with the PS3, and that so many of those multiplats are superior on the 360, is a major problem for the PS3 whether you want to recognize it or not. And though the 360 shares even more games with the PC, dismissing it as therefore generic (your basic premise) is missing the point: that though it shares games with the PS3 and the PC, this is a benefit rather than a detriment since it means a 360 can have those experiences for $250, rather than shelling out $400 for a PS3 and at LEAST another $400 for a gaming PC. That versatilty IS unique. On top of this, the 360 has it's own exclusives, as it's an overblown SW myth that the PC gets every 360 exclusive, or even most.

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[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] a thousand dollar mininum? WHat happened to the 400 dollar PC's that can run crysis ohh and you forgot about this little number http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54613Animal-Mother
By show of hands, how many people here game on a $400 pc, monitor and all? Yeah, that's what I thought. Even allowing your rock-bottom pc scenario (which I don't), it still makes it $800 vs. $250. Nice try, though.

Wait so I cant use an old PC screen? Please flat panels have been circulating since 2001 there more common than LCD tvs now.

You had to buy it at some point... when is irrelevant.
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#184 dsmccracken
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[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

[QUOTE="DonMarkito"]

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]Exactly. The 360 is a generic machine because most of its games can be played on another system. The PS3 is unique in that most of its good games can only be played on it. Lems want to try and force the 360 to be unique.....Well, it's not.....Deal with it.

Wow do you even realise that the 360 has way more exclusive than the PS3? AAAe and AAe wise? Not counting the 360/PC exclusive that can';t be played to.

Oh really? So why are there tons of threads about the pc/360 issue? If it had enough exclusives there wouldn't be a discussion. ;)

Why? Fanboys need to focus on something. Why else?
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#185 STRETCH-E
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[QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]When a cow or sheep says that however they say stop hiding behind the PC because none of those factions can play the game they are talking about.WilliamRLBaker

But I can. And you would most certainly consider me a cow no?

That's the point.

because you are



Oh great observation. I've always said I was a cow, yet your post is trying to make me look like I'm not. Maybe you should start concentrating on the point at hand instead of me.

you support Sony in every thing they do and you attack Microsoft in every thing they do in the console arenaWilliamRLBaker


That's not true.

I'm a lemming but i own a ps3 and soon will own a Wii againWilliamRLBaker


Right. So when someone in SW says to you "HERP DERP YOU CAN'T PLAY THAT PS3 EXCLUSIVE BECAUSE YOU ARE A LEMMING" do you agree with them or do you say, "hey I've got a PS3 so the hell with you"?

and i don't claim to not be a cow or to be unbiased like you seem to constantly.WilliamRLBaker


Again, that's just you trying to make it look like it. I've never denied that I was a cow. You're just one of the many SW posters who focus on the poster instead of the actual argument at hand.

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#186 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"] By show of hands, how many people here game on a $400 pc, monitor and all? Yeah, that's what I thought. Even allowing your rock-bottom pc scenario (which I don't), it still makes it $800 vs. $250. Nice try, though.dsmccracken
Wait so I cant use an old PC screen? Please flat panels have been circulating since 2001 there more common than LCD tvs now.

You had to buy it at some point... when is irrelevant.

Ohh so I have to add the cost of a screen I bought almost 5 years ago today? Please.
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#187 nyctota
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[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] Wait so I cant use an old PC screen? Please flat panels have been circulating since 2001 there more common than LCD tvs now. Animal-Mother
You had to buy it at some point... when is irrelevant.

Ohh so I have to add the cost of a screen I bought almost 5 years ago today? Please.

are people forgetting that a game on a xbox360 costs 60 bucks ?

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#188 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

But I can. And you would most certainly consider me a cow no?

That's the point.

Animal-Mother

because you are



Oh great observation. I've always said I was a cow, yet your post is trying to make me look like I'm not. Maybe you should start concentrating on the point at hand instead of me.

you support Sony in every thing they do and you attack Microsoft in every thing they do in the console arenaWilliamRLBaker


That's not true.

I'm a lemming but i own a ps3 and soon will own a Wii againWilliamRLBaker


Right. So when someone in SW says to you "HERP DERP YOU CAN'T PLAY THAT PS3 EXCLUSIVE BECAUSE YOU ARE A LEMMING" do you agree with them or do you say, "hey I've got a PS3 so the hell with you"?

and i don't claim to not be a cow or to be unbiased like you seem to constantly.WilliamRLBaker


Again, that's just you trying to make it look like it. I've never denied that I was a cow. You're just one of the many SW posters who focus on the poster instead of the actual argument at hand.

lol and your the one thats claiming throughout this thread that cows do no wrong and lemmings are the only bad fanboys.

and it is TRUE that you attack microsoft for every thing they do and support sony for every thing they do its a simple fact you do it all the time, as for that you keep saying herp derp and its actually been quite offensive the entire time because your off handedly calling people retarded with those words.

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hmm....I'd love to see a listing for all the components ofthis gaming PC for $400.

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#190 STRETCH-E
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[QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]When a cow or sheep says that however they say stop hiding behind the PC because none of those factions can play the game they are talking about.ActicEdge

But I can. And you would most certainly consider me a cow no?

That's the point.

There was a lot more to my post than that one line.

Anyway, SW doesn't revolve around I or you or me. It revolves around the average, and the fact is that the averagecow/sheep won't be able to play the game they are trying to dismiss as inferrior. On top of that, in a thread where you are trying to dismiss the 360 version of a multiplat in a 360/PC thread you can oly come from one perspective. Either you are a cow or a hermit. The second you blend them, you are hiding behind the PC regardless of whether you can play it or not, it isn't the point of the thread. The point is the 360 got another quality game and the PS3 didn't. Its a loss for cows and using PC to lessen the damage is hiding. Its not a hard consept to understand.

So basically what you're saying is that everyone has a role attached to a single system in SW and you can't go outside that role otherwise you're hiding behind something?

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[QUOTE="DonMarkito"]

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]Exactly. The 360 is a generic machine because most of its games can be played on another system. The PS3 is unique in that most of its good games can only be played on it. Lems want to try and force the 360 to be unique.....Well, it's not.....Deal with it.

furomaster_99

Wow do you even realise that the 360 has way more exclusive than the PS3? AAAe and AAe wise? Not counting the 360/PC exclusive that can';t be played to.

Oh really? So why are there tons of threads about the pc/360 issue? If it had enough exclusives there wouldn't be a discussion. ;)

You should know by yourself, most of PC/360 are better than ps3's exlcusives and PS3 Fanboys claim that these games aren't exclusive at all because ALL of them have a PC capable to support them:roll:

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[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] Wait so I cant use an old PC screen? Please flat panels have been circulating since 2001 there more common than LCD tvs now. Animal-Mother
You had to buy it at some point... when is irrelevant.

Ohh so I have to add the cost of a screen I bought almost 5 years ago today? Please.

If I bought my 360 in 2005, does that mean when comparing the 360 cost with the PS3, it's $400 vs. ZERO? Or is five years long enough to not count, but 4 not so much? If you bought it, and you're comparing using it, it counts.
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#193 STRETCH-E
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lol and your the one thats claiming throughout this thread that cows do no wrong and lemmings are the only bad fanboys.WilliamRLBaker


Again what does that have anything to do with everything I just wrote?
Do you even read posts before quoting them?

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#194 Animal-Mother
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hmm....I'd love to see a listing for all the components ofthis gaming PC for $400.

LosDaddie
I linked it
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#195 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"] You had to buy it at some point... when is irrelevant.dsmccracken
Ohh so I have to add the cost of a screen I bought almost 5 years ago today? Please.

If I bought my 360 in 2005, does that mean when comparing the 360 cost with the PS3, it's $400 vs. ZERO? Or is five years long enough to not count, but 4 not so much? If you bought it, and you're comparing using it, it counts.

No but people compare the new Price to the PS3 200 vs 600. Why not 400 vs 600. Thats the price i bought my 360 at.
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#196 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]

But I can. And you would most certainly consider me a cow no?

That's the point.

STRETCH-E

There was a lot more to my post than that one line.

Anyway, SW doesn't revolve around I or you or me. It revolves around the average, and the fact is that the averagecow/sheep won't be able to play the game they are trying to dismiss as inferrior. On top of that, in a thread where you are trying to dismiss the 360 version of a multiplat in a 360/PC thread you can oly come from one perspective. Either you are a cow or a hermit. The second you blend them, you are hiding behind the PC regardless of whether you can play it or not, it isn't the point of the thread. The point is the 360 got another quality game and the PS3 didn't. Its a loss for cows and using PC to lessen the damage is hiding. Its not a hard consept to understand.

So basically what you're saying is that everyone has a role attached to a single system in SW and you can't go outside that role otherwise you're hiding behind something?

When you call yourself a cow, lemming, hermit or sheep then yeah, you do. When you cll yourself a cow, hiding behind PC is a sign of weakness. If you are not ascociated with any group, you wouldn't be talking about inferior multiplats now would you. Its also funny how you didn't say that my post was wrong, are you finally getting my point?

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#197 rybe1025
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hmm....I'd love to see a listing for all the components ofthis gaming PC for $400.

LosDaddie
I also would like to see if they are adding in the price of the OS, fans, the cover and so on.
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#198 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

hmm....I'd love to see a listing for all the components ofthis gaming PC for $400.

rybe1025

I also would like to see if they are adding in the price of the OS, fans, the cover and so on.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237787 Thar she blows

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#199 rybe1025
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[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] Ohh so I have to add the cost of a screen I bought almost 5 years ago today? Please. Animal-Mother
If I bought my 360 in 2005, does that mean when comparing the 360 cost with the PS3, it's $400 vs. ZERO? Or is five years long enough to not count, but 4 not so much? If you bought it, and you're comparing using it, it counts.

No but people compare the new Price to the PS3 200 vs 600. Why not 400 vs 600. Thats the price i bought my 360 at.

You can play the 360 games with the $199 system so why try and use the more expensive system because you decided on a more expensive 360?