lemming logic is flawed...

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"] I never said that games like ME were exclusive, but you would know that if you read my post (I would have thought, at least). You are on a free PC? That does mean that you win at life, but yours is not the general experience. For most, including the "high percentage of cows" you mentioned, their PCs cost money, and if they are to play these games without a 360 in their house, they would need to have bought both a PC AND a PS3... an expensive proposition (well except for you and your free computer) to say the least simply to have what lemmings get for $250.dsmccracken

As I said, 99% of all cows would own a PC reagardless of what system the choose to play. Since they have access to these games simply by owning something they would have anyways you fail. but thank's for ignoring my post.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="enygma500"]

Im on a FREE PC right now that's more then capable of playing those "exclusives". Does that mean I win?

The fact remains that a high percentage of cows are probably able to play these game if they so choose. It's doesn't take an uber rig to play the games. AND THEY CAN PLAY THE GAMES WITHOUT HAVING A 360 IN THEIR HOUSE. therefore IT'S NOT AN EXCLUSIVE.

A PC with a moniter that would rn the games at higher specs then the 360 would be $800, no assembly required. just walk into future shop and buy one. Plus we all know that pretty much every home in america has AT LEAST 1 PC in it. You do the math.

Cows would most likely own a PC regardless of their gaming affiliation so you fail.

Um, most people already own an up to date pc. furomaster_99

I'd love to see you prove that statement. :)

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="furomaster_99"]Um, most people already own an up to date pc. What's your point again?

As I said, 99% of all cows would own a PC reagardless of what system the choose to play. Since they have access to these games simply by owning something they would have anyways you fail. but thank's for ignoring my post.

[QUOTE="Irick_cb"]

Oh?

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]If that were true (of the PS3), then we wouldn't be here. A stand alone PS3 makes every PC/360 game effectively (but not technically) exclusive, which frankly makes the PS3 library cry uncle.dsmccracken

Must just be my imagination then.

It was in response to my own post, good sir, which was a mirror of the point you responded to with quite the opposite convictions.

I have a question. You guys pull this term exclusive out of everywhere. why isn't it exclusive here. BEcause last time i checked this was system wars and every system counted.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pc5oLqpenpT78W87pMfgvBA&gid=0

This link shows in no way shape or form mass effect is close to a "console" exclusive an "MS" exclusive or anything else. I don't get it why do people still call it exclusive time to time

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26719140

Ohh my whats this something that shows SW doesnt count PC/360 exclusive in any way shape or form? Thats bizarre

I didn't ignore it, I answered, actually. Can YOU answer why you think that all those cows got their PCs for free?dsmccracken

I think he means "They would have them even if they bought a 360 as it is nearly essential for modern life to have a PC of some sort and the majority would have been manufactured within the past two years which would allow them to easily outshine the 360 in multiplat titles."

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"] That their up-to-date PC plus a PS3 is way more expensive than a $250 360... what else would my point be?dsmccracken

As I said, 99% of all cows would own a PC reagardless of what system the choose to play. Since they have access to these games simply by owning something they would have anyways you fail. but thank's for ignoring my post.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]I didn't ignore it, I answered, actually. Can YOU answer why you think that all those cows got their PCs for free?Irick_cb

I think he means "They would have them even if they bought a 360 as it is nearly essential for modern life to have a PC of some sort and the majority would have been manufactured within the past two years which would allow them to easily outshine the 360 in multiplat titles."

I have a question. You guys pull this term exclusive out of everywhere. why isn't it exclusive here. BEcause last time i checked this was system wars and every system counted.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pc5oLqpenpT78W87pMfgvBA&gid=0

This link shows in no way shape or form mass effect is close to a "console" exclusive an "MS" exclusive or anything else. I don't get it why do people still call it exclusive time to time

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26719140

Ohh my whats this something that shows SW doesnt count PC/360 exclusive in any way shape or form? Thats bizarre

Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="enygma500"]

As I said, 99% of all cows would own a PC reagardless of what system the choose to play. Since they have access to these games simply by owning something they would have anyways you fail. but thank's for ignoring my post.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

I have a question. You guys pull this term exclusive out of everywhere. why isn't it exclusive here. BEcause last time i checked this was system wars and every system counted.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pc5oLqpenpT78W87pMfgvBA&gid=0

This link shows in no way shape or form mass effect is close to a "console" exclusive an "MS" exclusive or anything else. I don't get it why do people still call it exclusive time to time

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26719140

Ohh my whats this something that shows SW doesnt count PC/360 exclusive in any way shape or form? Thats bizarre

mitu123

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

I have a question. You guys pull this term exclusive out of everywhere. why isn't it exclusive here. BEcause last time i checked this was system wars and every system counted.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pc5oLqpenpT78W87pMfgvBA&gid=0

This link shows in no way shape or form mass effect is close to a "console" exclusive an "MS" exclusive or anything else. I don't get it why do people still call it exclusive time to time

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26719140

Ohh my whats this something that shows SW doesnt count PC/360 exclusive in any way shape or form? Thats bizarre

Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"] I didn't ignore it, I answered, actually. Can YOU answer why you think that all those cows got their PCs for free?dsmccracken

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Also, since Mass Effect got AA on 360 and AAA on PC, and it's the same game with the PC version having improvements, 360/PCs shouldn't count at all to begin with.

mitu123

[QUOTE="Irick_cb"]

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]I didn't ignore it, I answered, actually. Can YOU answer why you think that all those cows got their PCs for free?dsmccracken

I think he means "They would have them even if they bought a 360 as it is nearly essential for modern life to have a PC of some sort and the majority would have been manufactured within the past two years which would allow them to easily outshine the 360 in multiplat titles."

Because you'd most likely have one even if you chose 360.

It's like an HDTV.

:P

We already discussed that 360/PC games aren't 360 exclusives, I don't understand why this topic lasted so long.

And remember cows, Sony exclusives(upcoming PS3/PC, PS3/PS2, etc.) don't count either.

We already discussed that 360/PC games aren't 360 exclusives, I don't understand why this topic lasted so long.

And remember cows, Sony exclusives(upcoming PS3/PC, PS3/PS2, etc.) don't count either.

mitu123

I don't know either.

I just came back and i was like "lol, this is still alive?"

i find it funny that the only way cows can compete with the 360 is with a PC/PS3 combo the

PS3 is a huge flop. the games dont sell. it's too expensive. the online sucks. the controller is 15 years old and the worst this gen (especially for shooters). the exclusives are the worst this gen. the multiplats are all better on the 360, PC and (in rare cases) the wii. the downloadable games are nothing compared to XBLA or wiiware/vc.

so the question you have to ask yourselves is why would anyone who owns a gaming PC want a PS3?

We already discussed that 360/PC games aren't 360 exclusives, I don't understand why this topic lasted so long.

And remember cows, Sony exclusives(upcoming PS3/PC, PS3/PS2, etc.) don't count either.

mitu123

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Irick_cb"]

I think he means "They would have them even if they bought a 360 as it is nearly essential for modern life to have a PC of some sort and the majority would have been manufactured within the past two years which would allow them to easily outshine the 360 in multiplat titles."

Because you'd most likely have one even if you chose 360.

It's like an HDTV.

:P

great, i can't wait for every Mass Effect 2 thread to be trolled to pieces because it isnt exclusive. That'll do the game justice.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="enygma500"]

Im on a FREE PC right now that's more then capable of playing those "exclusives". Does that mean I win?

The fact remains that a high percentage of cows are probably able to play these game if they so choose. It's doesn't take an uber rig to play the games. AND THEY CAN PLAY THE GAMES WITHOUT HAVING A 360 IN THEIR HOUSE. therefore IT'S NOT AN EXCLUSIVE.

enygma500

A PC with a moniter that would rn the games at higher specs then the 360 would be $800, no assembly required. just walk into future shop and buy one. Plus we all know that pretty much every home in america has AT LEAST 1 PC in it. You do the math.

Cows would most likely own a PC regardless of their gaming affiliation so you fail.

My laptop exceeds the recommeded specs to run ME and cost $550 last fall, and I bet you can buy the same quite a bit cheaper now. I have FO3 on it now, and it runs good, not all maxxed out of course. I know you were mentioning a PC that would outperform a 360, but it's good to note that most any PCs on the market today have the muscle to run a lot of these multiplat releases, and dirt cheap.

Also... why would someone need 2 systems to play the 360's "console exclusives"? That's an ignorant argument if I ever heard one. You don't need a PC and PS3 to match the 360's library... really all you need is your PC.

great, i can't wait for every Mass Effect 2 thread to be trolled to pieces because it isnt exclusive. That'll do the game justice.

marklarmer

i find it funny that the only way cows can compete with the 360 is with a PC/PS3 combo the PS3 is a huge flop. the games dont sell. it's too expensive. the online sucks. the controller is 15 years old and the worst this gen (especially for shooters). the exclusives are the worst this gen. the multiplats are all better on the 360, PC and (in rare cases) the wii. the downloadable games are nothing compared to XBLA or wiiware/vc. so the question you have to ask yourselves is why would anyone who owns a gaming PC want a PS3?hy4k

For MGS:4

And the other true PS3/Console exclusives.

If you have a game ready PC and don't mind gaming on it then the choice is rather obvious, unless you want Halo 3 now.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="furomaster_99"]So, 360 owners paid for home pc's too....What's your point again?

[QUOTE="marklarmer"]

great, i can't wait for every Mass Effect 2 thread to be trolled to pieces because it isnt exclusive. That'll do the game justice.

The_Game21x

[QUOTE="hy4k"]i find it funny that the only way cows can compete with the 360 is with a PC/PS3 combo the PS3 is a huge flop. the games dont sell. it's too expensive. the online sucks. the controller is 15 years old and the worst this gen (especially for shooters). the exclusives are the worst this gen. the multiplats are all better on the 360, PC and (in rare cases) the wii. the downloadable games are nothing compared to XBLA or wiiware/vc. so the question you have to ask yourselves is why would anyone who owns a gaming PC want a PS3?Irick_cb

For MGS:4

And the other true PS3/Console exclusives.

If you have a game ready PC and don't mind gaming on it then the choice is rather obvious, unless you want Halo 3 now.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="marklarmer"]

great, i can't wait for every Mass Effect 2 thread to be trolled to pieces because it isnt exclusive. That'll do the game justice.

Animal-Mother

It was best said by Ironbass

"use the right expression a multiplat that x console(s) doesn't get".

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

I never said that games like ME were exclusive, but you would know that if you read my post (I would have thought, at least). You are on a free PC? That does mean that you win at life, but yours is not the general experience. For most, including the "high percentage of cows" you mentioned, their PCs cost money, and if they are to play these games without a 360 in their house, they would need to have bought both a PC AND a PS3... an expensive proposition (well except for you and your free computer) to say the least simply to have what lemmings get for $250.dsmccracken

A PC with a moniter that would rn the games at higher specs then the 360 would be $800, no assembly required. just walk into future shop and buy one. Plus we all know that pretty much every home in america has AT LEAST 1 PC in it. You do the math.

Cows would most likely own a PC regardless of their gaming affiliation so you fail.

My laptop exceeds the recommeded specs to run ME and cost $550 last fall, and I bet you can buy the same quite a bit cheaper now. I have FO3 on it now, and it runs good, not all maxxed out of course. I know you were mentioning a PC that would outperform a 360, but it's good to note that most any PCs on the market today have the muscle to run a lot of these multiplat releases, and dirt cheap.

Also... why would someone need 2 systems to play the 360's "console exclusives"? That's an ignorant argument if I ever heard one. You don't need a PC and PS3 to match the 360's library... really all you need is your PC.

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"] I never said that games like ME were exclusive, but you would know that if you read my post (I would have thought, at least). You are on a free PC? That does mean that you win at life, but yours is not the general experience. For most, including the "high percentage of cows" you mentioned, their PCs cost money, and if they are to play these games without a 360 in their house, they would need to have bought both a PC AND a PS3... an expensive proposition (well except for you and your free computer) to say the least simply to have what lemmings get for $250.santoron

A PC with a moniter that would rn the games at higher specs then the 360 would be $800, no assembly required. just walk into future shop and buy one. Plus we all know that pretty much every home in america has AT LEAST 1 PC in it. You do the math.

Cows would most likely own a PC regardless of their gaming affiliation so you fail.

My laptop exceeds the recommeded specs to run ME and cost $550 last fall, and I bet you can buy the same quite a bit cheaper now. I have FO3 on it now, and it runs good, not all maxxed out of course. I know you were mentioning a PC that would outperform a 360, but it's good to note that most any PCs on the market today have the muscle to run a lot of these multiplat releases, and dirt cheap.

Also... why would someone need 2 systems to play the 360's "console exclusives"? That's an ignorant argument if I ever heard one. You don't need a PC and PS3 to match the 360's library... really all you need is your PC.

wow, I didn't even know they were that cheap now. good to know. I would still spend closer to $1000 on a PC for myself.But that's just because it gets used for things other then gaming, which DSMCC doesn't seem to understand.

Gaming is just a small part of what my PC is used for. Factoring in everything else, you could say I only spend $100 to play the games, $300 for how much I use the internet, $200 word word processors etc. Of course I'm not actually trying to argue this point, though somebody's gonna flame me terribly for saying this.

I just love how this thread seemed to have been resolved around the 5th or 6th page, but just kept going in a circle.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Irick_cb"]

Must just be my imagination then.

It was in response to my own post, good sir, which was a mirror of the point you responded to with quite the opposite convictions.

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"] But that PC doesn't factor into them playing mass effect, so has no more bearing on a price comparison of gaming, any more than their toaster or car. Not true for the cow who wants to factor their pc into an argument for gaming by saying they can play Mass Effect. The 360 owner MAY own a PC, but a PS3 owner HAS to have a PC to play that game, so they can't very well duck the necessity of the pricetag as well.dsmccracken

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]

But I can. And you would most certainly consider me a cow no?

That's the point.

enygma500

Since you admit to being the lemming we all know you are, that instantly flaws any of your arguements as they will all be of a biased nature. To make a truely great arguement you would need to be as objective as possable. Which you CAN'T do due to how blindly you follow M$.

And just FYI, saying M$ instead of MS or Microsoft, instantly flaws any of your arguments as they will be of biased nature.

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"] But that PC doesn't factor into them playing mass effect, so has no more bearing on a price comparison of gaming, any more than their toaster or car. Not true for the cow who wants to factor their pc into an argument for gaming by saying they can play Mass Effect. The 360 owner MAY own a PC, but a PS3 owner HAS to have a PC to play that game, so they can't very well duck the necessity of the pricetag as well.dsmccracken

BUT since the PC and 360 have completely different games libraryies the cost would have to be factored in, as there's game you can play on PC that you can't on 360 and vice-versa. Not to mention that the PC version of the games are far superior to their counterparts, often including extra missions, weapons, items, etc.

So your logic is even further flawed. The cost of the PC would have to be added on to the cost of the 360 simply due to their seperate libraries alone. How many times are you gonna be owned in 1 thread before you give up.

i find it funny that the only way cows can compete with the 360 is with a PC/PS3 combo the

PS3 is a huge flop. the games dont sell. it's too expensive. the online sucks. the controller is 15 years old and the worst this gen (especially for shooters). the exclusives are the worst this gen. the multiplats are all better on the 360, PC and (in rare cases) the wii. the downloadable games are nothing compared to XBLA or wiiware/vc.

so the question you have to ask yourselves is why would anyone who owns a gaming PC want a PS3?

hy4k

the games dont sell LOL most games are past 1 million almost 2 million with MGS4 at around 4 million, the controller is better than 360 that's for sure and Killzone 2, Resistance 1 and 2 > xbox shooters, the multiplats are not better on 360 some are some are not.

why would anyone who owns a gaming pc want a PS3 lol what kind of question is that games that are exclusive on PS3 are not on PC

MGS4, Little Big Planet, Resistance 1 and 2, God of War 3, Twisted Metal, inFAMOUS, warhawk, starhawk, Heavy Rain, Killzone 2, Final Fantasy XIII Versus, Quatntom Theory, Valkyrian Chronicles, White Knights Chronicles, MAG, Ratchet and Clank Future games, etc etc

i find it funny that the only way cows can compete with the 360 is with a PC/PS3 combo the

PS3 is a huge flop. the games dont sell. it's too expensive. the online sucks. the controller is 15 years old and the worst this gen (especially for shooters). the exclusives are the worst this gen. the multiplats are all better on the 360, PC and (in rare cases) the wii. the downloadable games are nothing compared to XBLA or wiiware/vc.

so the question you have to ask yourselves is why would anyone who owns a gaming PC want a PS3?

hy4k

the games dont sell LOL most games are past 1 million almost 2 million with MGS4 at around 4 million, the controller is better than 360 that's for sure and Killzone 2, Resistance 1 and 2 > xbox shooters, the multiplats are not better on 360 some are some are not.

why would anyone who owns a gaming pc want a PS3 lol what kind of question is that games that are exclusive on PS3 are not on PC unlike xbox 360 who gives away exclusives like it's christmas.

MGS4, Little Big Planet, Resistance 1 and 2, God of War 3, Twisted Metal, inFAMOUS, warhawk, starhawk, Heavy Rain, Killzone 2, Final Fantasy XIII Versus, Quatntom Theory, Valkyrian Chronicles, White Knights Chronicles, MAG, Ratchet and Clank Future games, etc etc

all EXCLUSIVE PS3 games that you won't find anywhere else

unlike the xbox 360which can't keep their exclusives they keep losing theirs to other systems.

i think cow and lemming logic is flawed to a certain degree,

based on 2 things

upcoming games that never been in the industry being hyped as if theyd kill gta etc etc etc

and the fact that nintendo does somthing microsoft has to copy , lemings said before wii was a fad and now they think other wise only because 360 is just gettin a rip off of an eyetoy ,

lets stick to the facts already , opinnions dont even matter, its the facts that do ,

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] because you are, you support Sony in every thing they do and you attack Microsoft in every thing they do in the console arena, I'm a lemming but i own a ps3 and soon will own a Wii again and i don't claim to not be a lemming or to be unbiased like you seem to constantly.

wizardwd

Since you admit to being the lemming we all know you are, that instantly flaws any of your arguements as they will all be of a biased nature. To make a truely great arguement you would need to be as objective as possable. Which you CAN'T do due to how blindly you follow M$.

And just FYI, saying M$ instead of MS or Microsoft, instantly flaws any of your arguments as they will be of biased nature.

...everyone says M$. And I've admitted time and time again that I'm more of a PS3 guy, but That doesn't stop me from bashing the PS3 either. Whereas william there would argue to the death that GeOW 2 has FAR better graphics then anything on PS3.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="furomaster_99"]So if you own a pc and buy a 360, you have two rigs to play the same game on. Okay, I understand now. Good point.

furomaster_99

[QUOTE="santoron"]

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

A PC with a moniter that would rn the games at higher specs then the 360 would be $800, no assembly required. just walk into future shop and buy one. Plus we all know that pretty much every home in america has AT LEAST 1 PC in it. You do the math.

Cows would most likely own a PC regardless of their gaming affiliation so you fail.

My laptop exceeds the recommeded specs to run ME and cost $550 last fall, and I bet you can buy the same quite a bit cheaper now. I have FO3 on it now, and it runs good, not all maxxed out of course. I know you were mentioning a PC that would outperform a 360, but it's good to note that most any PCs on the market today have the muscle to run a lot of these multiplat releases, and dirt cheap.

Also... why would someone need 2 systems to play the 360's "console exclusives"? That's an ignorant argument if I ever heard one. You don't need a PC and PS3 to match the 360's library... really all you need is your PC.

wow, I didn't even know they were that cheap now. good to know. I would still spend closer to $1000 on a PC for myself.But that's just because it gets used for things other then gaming, which DSMCC doesn't seem to understand.

Gaming is just a small part of what my PC is used for. Factoring in everything else, you could say I only spend $100 to play the games, $300 for how much I use the internet, $200 word word processors etc. Of course I'm not actually trying to argue this point, though somebody's gonna flame me terribly for saying this.

Since you're such a core PC gamer, why did you recommend a pre-built Gateway in the other thread?

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"] Nice spin... but logic fails. A 360 owner may in fact have a PC, and that PC may in fact be able to handle ME, but they wouldn't NEED it to, it wouldn't be a NECESSITY to own the PC version (let alone both), so it would therefore be UNNECCESARY to factor that PC into a cost analysis. Not so for the PS3 gamer that says they can play ME on their gaming PC. Do you honestly not see the difference? A 360 owner doesn't need a PC to play it, so whether they ACTUALLY own a PC is really besides the point. But for a PS3 owner claiming ME playability, it is NOT besides the point, it IS the point.The_Game21x

[QUOTE="hy4k"]

i find it funny that the only way cows can compete with the 360 is with a PC/PS3 combo the

PS3 is a huge flop. the games dont sell. it's too expensive. the online sucks. the controller is 15 years old and the worst this gen (especially for shooters). the exclusives are the worst this gen. the multiplats are all better on the 360, PC and (in rare cases) the wii. the downloadable games are nothing compared to XBLA or wiiware/vc.

so the question you have to ask yourselves is why would anyone who owns a gaming PC want a PS3?

simslifer

the games dont sell LOL most games are past 1 million almost 2 million with MGS4 at around 4 million, the controller is better than 360 that's for sure and Killzone 2, Resistance 1 and 2 > xbox shooters, the multiplats are not better on 360 some are some are not.

why would anyone who owns a gaming pc want a PS3 lol what kind of question is that games that are exclusive on PS3 are not on PC

MGS4, Little Big Planet, Resistance 1 and 2, God of War 3, Twisted Metal, inFAMOUS, warhawk, starhawk, Heavy Rain, Killzone 2, Final Fantasy XIII Versus, Quatntom Theory, Valkyrian Chronicles, White Knights Chronicles, MAG, Ratchet and Clank Future games, etc etc

unlike the xbox 360 sony can keep their exclusives while xbox 360 keeps losing theirs to other systems.