But its not. Its pretty average.sonicthemegamanI don't share your optimistic evaluation of the game. It is terrible, and it confirms what everybody knows: Sonic should have died a long time ago.
Mario Galaxy vs Sonic Unleashed
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[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]wat .... watIronBassLoving your new sig.
Thanks. Thinking about changing the avatar too.
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Sega will find a way. They always do. :PWell, Sonic can't get worse. ...right?
gmc2u_64
Don't understimate Sega.Well, Sonic can't get worse. ...right?
gmc2u_64
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[QUOTE="curtdoggLP5"]
Yes. The only things it unleashed was dissapointment from gamers and a load of diarrhoea from a dying icon's rear end.
I can't believe you think the Werehog levels are good! Admittedly, the sonic portions of the game are half decent, but the Werehog sections are LAME. Monotonous, frustrating and uninspired. You're obviously a sonic fan, but don't deplete your dignity by trying to fool yourself that Unleashed is anywhere near as good as Galaxy, the 3rd highest rated game of all time!curtdoggLP5
SU and Galaxy are both good and differ too much to truly compare the two. I'm not afraid to say I prefer the Sonic gameplay cause it's harder and imo, has more replay value. Really though, I didn't know what I was getting with the Werehog but I followed my instincts and I really like the combat. Some of the platforming is hard but the game is very generous with extra lives. My only gripes are the occassional bad camera and framerate dives. I like leveling up the Werehog and learninh all his combos. I'm looking forward to speed running through the Werehog levels when I fully max him out. Even compared to Galaxy, SU is still a good game and I'm glad to see Sonic shape up after that Sonic 06 game. Really, what the hell was that?
No. Well, yes kinda. Obviously it's opinion, but how can you find running through repetitive alleyways, killing the same enemies over and over again fun? Sonic is supposed to be fast! I honestly don't know what Sonic 06 game you are reffering to, I'm not really a sonic fan, but no matter how bad or good it may have been, Unleashed is far from 'shaping up'. 'Screwing up' is the term you should be using. Sonic 06(sonic the disaster) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i8DxnR-zAg&feature=related
Sonic 06 was a very glitchy, rushed game by ST released on 360 in 2006 and ps3 early 2007. its quite easily the worst 3d sonic game because it was never finished. its not the worst game ever made but it was still bad. the graphics, story, pretty much every had flaws. im surprised people actaully finished it.
SU on the other hand fixes a lot of things. i think the day levels take getting used to but they are good once you get a hang of the speed and unlock some of sonic's moves. like i said before, the werehog is fast if you use him right. he has several cool combos that can be used to take out enemies faster with more effiencey. he also has the challenging platform sections as well. the camera kinda hinders these sections but you can get around it. i think its cool that the werehog has so many moves to use on his opponents. it gives the game some freedom on how you attack and trust, which moves you use does matter. the more you upgrade the werehog, the better he gets. if you think its boring than i can respect your opnion but, that really isnt a problem. so far the gamehas yet to get repetitive for me and the sonic spin on beat'em up gameplay is pretty good. its a step up from the 06 game.
[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] But its not. Its pretty average.IronBassI don't share your optimistic evaluation of the game. It is terrible, and it confirms what everybody knows: Sonic should have died a long time ago. The only people who think that hate sonic. -_-
[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] Oh great, the "I been gaming before you were born" crap again. Okay well by today's standards, OoT, SM64, MM2, and FF7 all suck. What's that? It's unfair to judge it like that? Yeah exactly. SA was good for its time because it was a good game, not an overrated entry in a cash cow franchise no one shuts up about cause they're jaded as hell. I grew up with Sonic so I played all his 2D games. I don't see what's so bad. Shadow's game was the first truly bad 3D Sonic. Even Heroes got a 7.5 here on the superior GC version. Really, what makes the Wii version so much better? They took out Empire City completely, no hubs, crappier daytime side missions, daytime levels have barely any enemies, the werehog is slower, and the werehog has less moves. Neither version is crap. It's not perfect but calling it crap is outragous. Play Sonic 06 then say SU sucks. SU isn't that bad.Renegade_Fury
Good for you, but not all Sonic fans are as narrow minded, and I only bring up my age to enforce that. The reviews and the vast majority of people in this thread disagree with you. If you enjoy critically acclaimed garbage, that's great, but don't pour your fanboy views on us when we don't share the same opinion. Sonic Adventure is not like Ocarina of Time, and does not live up to today's standards. I liked it when it came out, but like Golden Eye, the fun died a long time ago. There are just too many problems, and people are not as forgiving as they were 10 years ago. Also every other game that has come after has never reached the pinnacle of the excellence of the Genesis titles, and that is a fact. If anything, they get progressively worse. Again, if you enjoy these new games feel free to do so, but don't come in spouting nonsense like us other gamers have never played them before and so on. Oh and btw I have Sonic 06 as well, or should I take a picture of that too?
The only nonsense here are the comments saying all the 3D games sucked. I mean why? What objective, none jaded reasoning could possible label SA as bad?See, this is why I don't follow the masses. It's like people don't even know what makes the game good or bad. What you basically said was to take my opnion somewhere else which doesn't really matter to me. I played the game myself and know its ok. I'm not even arguing thst its better than Galaxy but these types of arguements really make me doubtful of how good that game could possibly be. from what ive played, its good but its not my type of game. some of the galaxies felt like dud galaxies but thats just my opnion. anyway, case and point, hivemind is the only thing stopping people from seeing the good in the sonic franchise. sonic has unique gameplay no one can copy even when sonic copies from others, the experience is still different. so go ahead and bash SU cause owning it and that crappy 06 game doesnt stop all the sonic hate from being complete nonsense.The only nonsense here are the comments saying all the 3D games sucked. I mean why? What objective, none jaded reasoning could possible label SA as bad?See, this is why I don't follow the masses. It's like people don't even know what makes the game good or bad. What you basically said was to take my opnion somewhere else which doesn't really matter to me. I played the game myself and know its ok. I'm not even arguing thst its better than Galaxy but these types of arguements really make me doubtful of how good that game could possibly be. from what ive played, its good but its not my type of game. some of the galaxies felt like dud galaxies but thats just my opnion. anyway, case and point, hivemind is the only thing stopping people from seeing the good in the sonic franchise. sonic has unique gameplay no one can copy even when sonic copies from others, the experience is still different. so go ahead and bash SU cause owning it and that crappy 06 game doesnt stop all the sonic hate from being complete nonsense.sonicthemegaman
My opinion is that they all suck, sad but true. I'm not following the masses, if I did, I wouldn't have games like Gundam 0080, Yoshi's Story, Batman Forever and so on. My opinion, is just that, my opinion. The fact that most people agree with mine only strengthens it. Like I said, if you enjoy these games go ahead, no one is stopping you nor cares.
[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] The only nonsense here are the comments saying all the 3D games sucked. I mean why? What objective, none jaded reasoning could possible label SA as bad?See, this is why I don't follow the masses. It's like people don't even know what makes the game good or bad. What you basically said was to take my opnion somewhere else which doesn't really matter to me. I played the game myself and know its ok. I'm not even arguing thst its better than Galaxy but these types of arguements really make me doubtful of how good that game could possibly be. from what ive played, its good but its not my type of game. some of the galaxies felt like dud galaxies but thats just my opnion. anyway, case and point, hivemind is the only thing stopping people from seeing the good in the sonic franchise. sonic has unique gameplay no one can copy even when sonic copies from others, the experience is still different. so go ahead and bash SU cause owning it and that crappy 06 game doesnt stop all the sonic hate from being complete nonsense.Renegade_Fury
My opinion is that they all suck, sad but true. I'm not following the masses, if I did, I wouldn't have games like Gundam 0080, Yoshi's Story, Batman Forever and so on. My opinion, is just that, my opinion. The fact that most people agree with mine only strengthens it. Like I said, if you enjoy these games go ahead, no one is stopping you nor cares.
Well ok, it just seems like people freak out whenever I mention this game with optimism. really, if its your opnion, then sonic never died. he just died in the eyes of the some people. all the facts get thrown out the window.The only people who think that hate sonic. -_-sonicthemegamanWhich, at this point, is practically everybody.
[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"]The only people who think that hate sonic. -_-IronBassWhich, at this point, is practically everybody. ok then, so people who dont even like him are telling me his games suck. thats like taking an opnion on an anime from someone who hates anime. if people hate sonic, the games will suck regardless of improvements.
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SU and Galaxy are both good and differ too much to truly compare the two. I'm not afraid to say I prefer the Sonic gameplay cause it's harder and imo, has more replay value. Really though, I didn't know what I was getting with the Werehog but I followed my instincts and I really like the combat. Some of the platforming is hard but the game is very generous with extra lives. My only gripes are the occassional bad camera and framerate dives. I like leveling up the Werehog and learninh all his combos. I'm looking forward to speed running through the Werehog levels when I fully max him out. Even compared to Galaxy, SU is still a good game and I'm glad to see Sonic shape up after that Sonic 06 game. Really, what the hell was that?
sonicthemegaman
No. Well, yes kinda. Obviously it's opinion, but how can you find running through repetitive alleyways, killing the same enemies over and over again fun? Sonic is supposed to be fast! I honestly don't know what Sonic 06 game you are reffering to, I'm not really a sonic fan, but no matter how bad or good it may have been, Unleashed is far from 'shaping up'. 'Screwing up' is the term you should be using. Sonic 06(sonic the disaster) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i8DxnR-zAg&feature=related
Sonic 06 was a very glitchy, rushed game by ST released on 360 in 2006 and ps3 early 2007. its quite easily the worst 3d sonic game because it was never finished. its not the worst game ever made but it was still bad. the graphics, story, pretty much every had flaws. im surprised people actaully finished it.
SU on the other hand fixes a lot of things. i think the day levels take getting used to but they are good once you get a hang of the speed and unlock some of sonic's moves. like i said before, the werehog is fast if you use him right. he has several cool combos that can be used to take out enemies faster with more effiencey. he also has the challenging platform sections as well. the camera kinda hinders these sections but you can get around it. i think its cool that the werehog has so many moves to use on his opponents. it gives the game some freedom on how you attack and trust, which moves you use does matter. the more you upgrade the werehog, the better he gets. if you think its boring than i can respect your opnion but, that really isnt a problem. so far the gamehas yet to get repetitive for me and the sonic spin on beat'em up gameplay is pretty good. its a step up from the 06 game.
Like others have said; if YOU enjoy it, great! I think you are wasting your time defending a game universally condemned as dreadful.
Going from a 48%(Sonic 06) to a 61%(SU) does not make the 61% 'good'. It's still a bad, highly forgettable game that does absolutely nothing new and is a testament to the fact that sonic is no longer a hedgehog. He is now a cow, and boy is he being milked.
%s from Gamerankings.
Listen. There are some things that you just shouldn't have to 'get used to'. If a game feels bad to me, looks bad to me, sounds bad, frustrates me and the scores are in the 60s, I'm not going to even try anymore. Sonic Unleashed is a BAD GAME. As far as I'm concerned, this is established fact in the gaming community. Only a diehard sonic fanboy, who is trying to hold on to nothing would say other wise.
Well ok, it just seems like people freak out whenever I mention this game with optimism. really, if its your opnion, then sonic never died. he just died in the eyes of the some people. all the facts get thrown out the window.sonicthemegamanYou want to know what happens? You quote us and say we're wrong or haven't played the game before. That along with Sonic games getting poor ratings are facts. If you didn't present your arguments so tenaciously and didn't act like your opinion were facts, maybe then no one would "freak out" as you put it. It's fine if you like them, but don't hide under the word opinion when you use yours as truth.
ok then, so people who dont even like him are telling me his games suck. thats like taking an opnion on an anime from someone who hates anime. if people hate sonic, the games will suck regardless of improvements.sonicthemegamanThat his games have ben terrible for years does not help, either.
[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"]The only people who think that hate sonic. -_-sonicthemegamanWhich, at this point, is practically everybody. ok then, so people who dont even like him are telling me his games suck. thats like taking an opnion on an anime from someone who hates anime. if people hate sonic, the games will suck regardless of improvements. Sonic Unleashed is just a mediocre game. What do you want? I love the classic 1-3. Ever think that your opinion is just wrong hmm? (I've played both) Oh I also despise the Wii either way, so I don't like both games, but one is just way worse.
You want to know what happens? You quote us and say we're wrong or haven't played the game before. That along with Sonic games getting poor ratings are facts. If you didn't present your arguments so tenaciously and didn't act like your opinion were facts, maybe then no one would "freak out" as you put it. If it's fine if you like them, but don't hide under the word opinion when you use yours as truth. I only say that stuff because people say the games sucking is factual when in reality, its popular opnion. opnion and fact have different meanings. you basically said the game was thrash and now you say thats all your opnion. really, you're guilty of what you're accusing me off and thats presenting opnions as facts.[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] Well ok, it just seems like people freak out whenever I mention this game with optimism. really, if its your opnion, then sonic never died. he just died in the eyes of the some people. all the facts get thrown out the window.Renegade_Fury
It's fact that most people dn't have fun with Sonic Unleashed. That's the only thing he's said. He never made his opinion to be fact.
ok then, so people who dont even like him are telling me his games suck. thats like taking an opnion on an anime from someone who hates anime. if people hate sonic, the games will suck regardless of improvements. Sonic Unleashed is just a mediocre game. What do you want? I love the classic 1-3. Ever think that your opinion is just wrong hmm? (I've played both) Oh I also despise the Wii either way, so I don't like both games, but one is just way worse. a mediocre game is not an abomination. 3.5 implies the game is terrible. it should at least be a 6 cause the day levels have steep learning curves. really, what makes this game so bad? sure it isnt perfect but very few games are.[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"][QUOTE="IronBass"] Which, at this point, is practically everybody.JigglyWiggly_
he did say sonic died in 1999 which implies that all 3d sonic games suck. he also used the review scores to say the games were bad cause they werent recieved well. in a way, he kinda did present it as fact.It's fact that most people dn't have fun with Sonic Unleashed. That's the only thing he's said. He never made his opinion to be fact.
curtdoggLP5
[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]You want to know what happens? You quote us and say we're wrong or haven't played the game before. That along with Sonic games getting poor ratings are facts. If you didn't present your arguments so tenaciously and didn't act like your opinion were facts, maybe then no one would "freak out" as you put it. If it's fine if you like them, but don't hide under the word opinion when you use yours as truth. I only say that stuff because people say the games sucking is factual when in reality, its popular opnion. opnion and fact have different meanings. you basically said the game was thrash and now you say thats all your opnion. really, you're guilty of what you're accusing me off and thats presenting opnions as facts. Well with most everyone saying that the games are trash, it's as close to the truth as you can possibly get. The reviewers played it, I can say I played it, and we all think it sucked. I really don't know what more you want. If Sonic Team could make good Sonic games, then you would hear some actual praise, not just universal negativity.[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] Well ok, it just seems like people freak out whenever I mention this game with optimism. really, if its your opnion, then sonic never died. he just died in the eyes of the some people. all the facts get thrown out the window.sonicthemegaman
[QUOTE="curtdoggLP5"]he did say sonic died in 1999 which implies that all 3d sonic games suck. he also used the review scores to say the games were bad cause they werent recieved well. in a way, he kinda did present it as fact. All I have said is that I think they suck, and it just so happens that reviewers and most other gamers share the same opinions as myself. Adventure 1 was ok for it's time, but it's not fun anymore. Just go compare Adventure 2 to Adventure 2 Battle's rating, which is supposed to be better.It's fact that most people dn't have fun with Sonic Unleashed. That's the only thing he's said. He never made his opinion to be fact.
sonicthemegaman
[QUOTE="curtdoggLP5"]he did say sonic died in 1999 which implies that all 3d sonic games suck. he also used the review scores to say the games were bad cause they werent recieved well. in a way, he kinda did present it as fact.It's fact that most people dn't have fun with Sonic Unleashed. That's the only thing he's said. He never made his opinion to be fact.
sonicthemegaman
But they DO suck. The general consensus of 100s of professional game reviewers around the world is that sonic games have become progressively worse since the late 90s. I personally don't have an interest in anything Sonic after the 16bit era.
Review scores are credible evidence as far as I'm concerned. I'm pretty sure that a game that gets a combined score of 6/10 is bad. That's like saying Religion is true because 'Despite science pwning it daily in every possible respect, I disagree, so Religion is true.'
Bullcrap!
Sonic 06(sonic the disaster) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i8DxnR-zAg&feature=related[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"]
[QUOTE="curtdoggLP5"]
No. Well, yes kinda. Obviously it's opinion, but how can you find running through repetitive alleyways, killing the same enemies over and over again fun? Sonic is supposed to be fast! I honestly don't know what Sonic 06 game you are reffering to, I'm not really a sonic fan, but no matter how bad or good it may have been, Unleashed is far from 'shaping up'. 'Screwing up' is the term you should be using.curtdoggLP5
Sonic 06 was a very glitchy, rushed game by ST released on 360 in 2006 and ps3 early 2007. its quite easily the worst 3d sonic game because it was never finished. its not the worst game ever made but it was still bad. the graphics, story, pretty much every had flaws. im surprised people actaully finished it.
SU on the other hand fixes a lot of things. i think the day levels take getting used to but they are good once you get a hang of the speed and unlock some of sonic's moves. like i said before, the werehog is fast if you use him right. he has several cool combos that can be used to take out enemies faster with more effiencey. he also has the challenging platform sections as well. the camera kinda hinders these sections but you can get around it. i think its cool that the werehog has so many moves to use on his opponents. it gives the game some freedom on how you attack and trust, which moves you use does matter. the more you upgrade the werehog, the better he gets. if you think its boring than i can respect your opnion but, that really isnt a problem. so far the gamehas yet to get repetitive for me and the sonic spin on beat'em up gameplay is pretty good. its a step up from the 06 game.
Like others have said; if YOU enjoy it, great! I think you are wasting your time defending a game universally condemned as dreadful.
Going from a 48%(Sonic 06) to a 61%(SU) does not make the 61% 'good'. It's still a bad, highly forgettable game that does absolutely nothing new and is a testament to the fact that sonic is no longer a hedgehog. He is now a cow, and boy is he being milked.
%s from Gamerankings.
Listen. There are some things that you just shouldn't have to 'get used to'. If a game feels bad to me, looks bad to me, sounds bad, frustrates me and the scores are in the 60s, I'm not going to even try anymore. Sonic Unleashed is a BAD GAME. As far as I'm concerned, this is established fact in the gaming community. Only a diehard sonic fanboy, who is trying to hold on to nothing would say other wise.
you're basically saying its bad cause everyone else said it was bad. when everyone thought earth was flat, it was still round. sonic isnt anymore of a cash cow mario. SU being bad is highly opnionated as most of the reviews regarding the game complain about nothing or exaggerate the issues. have you seen the ign video review? its like Hilary didnt even play it himself. there are much worse games than SU.
he did say sonic died in 1999 which implies that all 3d sonic games suck. he also used the review scores to say the games were bad cause they werent recieved well. in a way, he kinda did present it as fact.[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"][QUOTE="curtdoggLP5"]
It's fact that most people dn't have fun with Sonic Unleashed. That's the only thing he's said. He never made his opinion to be fact.
curtdoggLP5
But they DO suck. The general consensus of 100s of professional game reviewers around the world is that sonic games have become progressively worse since the late 90s. I personally don't have an interest in anything Sonic after the 16bit era.
Review scores are credible evidence as far as I'm concerned. I'm pretty sure that a game that gets a combined score of 6/10 is bad. That's like saying Religion is true because 'Despite science pwning it daily in every possible respect, I disagree, so Religion is true.'
Bullcrap! 6/10 isnt bad, its fair. ya know like decent, ok, meh.
also - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjyWXiZrSlQ
wow, i really trust the "professionals". now lets hear what a fan thinks of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TmbZqxE5Wk
wow, he actually gave it chance, gave correct information, and took his review seriously, i dont see him getting a paycheck like Hilary Goldstein.
if you honestly trust these review sites, you're terribly misguided.
[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]Sonic Unleashed is just a mediocre game. What do you want? I love the classic 1-3. Ever think that your opinion is just wrong hmm? (I've played both) Oh I also despise the Wii either way, so I don't like both games, but one is just way worse. a mediocre game is not an abomination. 3.5 implies the game is terrible. it should at least be a 6 cause the day levels have steep learning curves. really, what makes this game so bad? sure it isnt perfect but very few games are. 6 isn't all that good either. It still goes under crappy, by many I'm sure. JigglyWiggly is the biggest Sonic fan(boy) I know. If he's saying the new games are crap, then it's probably true. Just go look at his website.[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] ok then, so people who dont even like him are telling me his games suck. thats like taking an opnion on an anime from someone who hates anime. if people hate sonic, the games will suck regardless of improvements.sonicthemegaman
[QUOTE="curtdoggLP5"]
[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] Sonic 06(sonic the disaster) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i8DxnR-zAg&feature=related
Sonic 06 was a very glitchy, rushed game by ST released on 360 in 2006 and ps3 early 2007. its quite easily the worst 3d sonic game because it was never finished. its not the worst game ever made but it was still bad. the graphics, story, pretty much every had flaws. im surprised people actaully finished it.
SU on the other hand fixes a lot of things. i think the day levels take getting used to but they are good once you get a hang of the speed and unlock some of sonic's moves. like i said before, the werehog is fast if you use him right. he has several cool combos that can be used to take out enemies faster with more effiencey. he also has the challenging platform sections as well. the camera kinda hinders these sections but you can get around it. i think its cool that the werehog has so many moves to use on his opponents. it gives the game some freedom on how you attack and trust, which moves you use does matter. the more you upgrade the werehog, the better he gets. if you think its boring than i can respect your opnion but, that really isnt a problem. so far the gamehas yet to get repetitive for me and the sonic spin on beat'em up gameplay is pretty good. its a step up from the 06 game.
sonicthemegaman
Like others have said; if YOU enjoy it, great! I think you are wasting your time defending a game universally condemned as dreadful.
Going from a 48%(Sonic 06) to a 61%(SU) does not make the 61% 'good'. It's still a bad, highly forgettable game that does absolutely nothing new and is a testament to the fact that sonic is no longer a hedgehog. He is now a cow, and boy is he being milked.
%s from Gamerankings.
Listen. There are some things that you just shouldn't have to 'get used to'. If a game feels bad to me, looks bad to me, sounds bad, frustrates me and the scores are in the 60s, I'm not going to even try anymore. Sonic Unleashed is a BAD GAME. As far as I'm concerned, this is established fact in the gaming community. Only a diehard sonic fanboy, who is trying to hold on to nothing would say other wise.
(1)you're basically saying its bad cause everyone else said it was bad. (2)when everyone thought earth was flat, it was still round. (3)sonic isnt anymore of a cash cow mario. SU being bad is highly (4)opnionated as most of the reviews regarding the game (5)complain about nothing or exaggerate the issues. have you seen the ign video review? its like Hilary didnt even play it himself. (6)there are much worse games than SU.
1. If people who EARN THEIR LIVING from reviewing games say that a game is bad, it's a good sign that it is. It's not 'everybody'. The only ppl who says it is good are fanboys with sonic as their avatar. Who do you think is more likely to be wrong?
2. That's a stupid comparison. People thought the earth was flat out of ignorance, people think Sonic is good because they are fanboys.
3. Being milked isn't because they make lots of games. It's milked because they make lots of games, none of which are good. Mario has actually retained quality.
4. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS ALSO AN OPINION!!!!!1!!!1!!one!1!one!!!1! FAIL x 26!
5. Have you read the reviews? Maybe their standards are higher than yours? Or maybe.... just MAYBE.... They aren't biased? You know.... just putting it out there.
6. Yes there are. That doesn't make SU any better than it is. Putting a bowl of vomit next to a plate of excrement doesn't make either better than they are.
[QUOTE="curtdoggLP5"]
[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] he did say sonic died in 1999 which implies that all 3d sonic games suck. he also used the review scores to say the games were bad cause they werent recieved well. in a way, he kinda did present it as fact.sonicthemegaman
But they DO suck. The general consensus of 100s of professional game reviewers around the world is that sonic games have become progressively worse since the late 90s. I personally don't have an interest in anything Sonic after the 16bit era.
Review scores are credible evidence as far as I'm concerned. I'm pretty sure that a game that gets a combined score of 6/10 is bad. That's like saying Religion is true because 'Despite science pwning it daily in every possible respect, I disagree, so Religion is true.'
Bullcrap! 6/10 isnt bad, its fair. ya know like decent, ok, meh.
also - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjyWXiZrSlQ
wow, i really trust the "professionals". now lets hear what a fan thinks of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TmbZqxE5Wk
wow, he actually gave it chance, gave correct information, and took his review seriously, i dont see him getting a paycheck like Hilary Goldstein.
if you honestly trust these review sites, you're terribly misguided.
If you trust the word of somebody who has an interest in Sonic being good over somebody who isn't effected either way then you have mental problems.
BTW, nice footage fishing there. Way to be biased :roll::roll:
[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"]
[QUOTE="curtdoggLP5"]
Like others have said; if YOU enjoy it, great! I think you are wasting your time defending a game universally condemned as dreadful.
Going from a 48%(Sonic 06) to a 61%(SU) does not make the 61% 'good'. It's still a bad, highly forgettable game that does absolutely nothing new and is a testament to the fact that sonic is no longer a hedgehog. He is now a cow, and boy is he being milked.
%s from Gamerankings.
Listen. There are some things that you just shouldn't have to 'get used to'. If a game feels bad to me, looks bad to me, sounds bad, frustrates me and the scores are in the 60s, I'm not going to even try anymore. Sonic Unleashed is a BAD GAME. As far as I'm concerned, this is established fact in the gaming community. Only a diehard sonic fanboy, who is trying to hold on to nothing would say other wise.curtdoggLP5
(1)you're basically saying its bad cause everyone else said it was bad. (2)when everyone thought earth was flat, it was still round. (3)sonic isnt anymore of a cash cow mario. SU being bad is highly (4)opnionated as most of the reviews regarding the game (5)complain about nothing or exaggerate the issues. have you seen the ign video review? its like Hilary didnt even play it himself. (6)there are much worse games than SU.
1. If people who EARN THEIR LIVING from reviewing games say that a game is bad, it's a good sign that it is. It's not 'everybody'. The only ppl who says it is good are fanboys with sonic as their avatar. Who do you think is more likely to be wrong?
2. That's a stupid comparison. People thought the earth was flat out of ignorance, people think Sonic is good because they are fanboys.
3. Being milked isn't because they make lots of games. It's milked because they make lots of games, none of which are good. Mario has actually retained quality.
4. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS ALSO AN OPINION!!!!!1!!!1!!one!1!one!!!1! FAIL x 26!
5. Have you read the reviews? Maybe their standards are higher than yours? Or maybe.... just MAYBE.... They aren't biased? You know.... just putting it out there.
6. Yes there are. That doesn't make SU any better than it is. Putting a bowl of vomit next to a plate of excrement doesn't make either better than they are.
Wow....this so opnionated blind-sighted, I can't even come up with a real response. You've made it fairly obvious that you don't play 3D sonic games so you can stop pointing towards the reviews. They are actually quite poor and represent just how much of a joke game journalism is. I proved this in another post. People who have real experience and appreaciation for the 3D sonic games can tell you what really went wrong with the franchise and weither or not SU really sucks. The way I see it, Shadow was the firsy bad 3d sonic. If you wanna talk scores, SA got a 9 here along with a 8.5 for its sequel.
People who have real experience and appreaciation for the 3D sonic games can tell you what really went wrong with the franchise and weither or not SU really sucks. sonicthemegamanI know a lot of them. They all agree with me: terrible games.
[QUOTE="curtdoggLP5"]
[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"]
(1)you're basically saying its bad cause everyone else said it was bad. (2)when everyone thought earth was flat, it was still round. (3)sonic isnt anymore of a cash cow mario. SU being bad is highly (4)opnionated as most of the reviews regarding the game (5)complain about nothing or exaggerate the issues. have you seen the ign video review? its like Hilary didnt even play it himself. (6)there are much worse games than SU.
sonicthemegaman
1. If people who EARN THEIR LIVING from reviewing games say that a game is bad, it's a good sign that it is. It's not 'everybody'. The only ppl who says it is good are fanboys with sonic as their avatar. Who do you think is more likely to be wrong?
2. That's a stupid comparison. People thought the earth was flat out of ignorance, people think Sonic is good because they are fanboys.
3. Being milked isn't because they make lots of games. It's milked because they make lots of games, none of which are good. Mario has actually retained quality.
4. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS ALSO AN OPINION!!!!!1!!!1!!one!1!one!!!1! FAIL x 26!
5. Have you read the reviews? Maybe their standards are higher than yours? Or maybe.... just MAYBE.... They aren't biased? You know.... just putting it out there.
6. Yes there are. That doesn't make SU any better than it is. Putting a bowl of vomit next to a plate of excrement doesn't make either better than they are.
Wow....this so opnionated blind-sighted, I can't even come up with a real response. You've made it fairly obvious that you don't play 3D sonic games so you can stop pointing towards the reviews. They are actually quite poor and represent just how much of a joke game journalism is. I proved this in another post. People who have real experience and appreaciation for the 3D sonic games can tell you what really went wrong with the franchise and weither or not SU really sucks. The way I see it, Shadow was the firsy bad 3d sonic. If you wanna talk scores, SA got a 9 here along with a 8.5 for its sequel.
Ugh, good grief.
Shall I define "biased" for you?
6/10 isnt bad, its fair. ya know like decent, ok, meh.[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"]
[QUOTE="curtdoggLP5"]
But they DO suck. The general consensus of 100s of professional game reviewers around the world is that sonic games have become progressively worse since the late 90s. I personally don't have an interest in anything Sonic after the 16bit era.
Review scores are credible evidence as far as I'm concerned. I'm pretty sure that a game that gets a combined score of 6/10 is bad. That's like saying Religion is true because 'Despite science pwning it daily in every possible respect, I disagree, so Religion is true.'
Bullcrap!curtdoggLP5
also - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjyWXiZrSlQ
wow, i really trust the "professionals". now lets hear what a fan thinks of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TmbZqxE5Wk
wow, he actually gave it chance, gave correct information, and took his review seriously, i dont see him getting a paycheck like Hilary Goldstein.
if you honestly trust these review sites, you're terribly misguided.
If you trust the word of somebody who has an interest in Sonic being good over somebody who isn't effected either way then you have mental problems.
BTW, nice footage fishing there. Way to be biased :roll::roll:
BH has nothing to gain from the game nor his review of it. He didnt even say it was perfect. He said it was ok. Hilary on the other hand, flat out attacks the game and doesn't validate his criticisms. Let's not forget that reviewing is Hilary's job so he earns money this way. Many YT users would like sonic have taken the time to point out flaws in his review that you'd agree with if you weren't biased and misinformed. Sure, there are some obvious fanboys and the sonic fanbase is generally bad but there are some smart people out who can tell you that Hilary bashed the game. There is nothing biased about the vids I linked you to. If you want me to send you those Sonic Unleashed review rants, I could but, that I'd would think is more biased than what I just did here. Really, the game is average. Case and point. If you can't prove otherwise, it only justifies how many hyped games I dodge since reviews apparently effect your perspectitives.
[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"]
[QUOTE="curtdoggLP5"]
1. If people who EARN THEIR LIVING from reviewing games say that a game is bad, it's a good sign that it is. It's not 'everybody'. The only ppl who says it is good are fanboys with sonic as their avatar. Who do you think is more likely to be wrong?
2. That's a stupid comparison. People thought the earth was flat out of ignorance, people think Sonic is good because they are fanboys.
3. Being milked isn't because they make lots of games. It's milked because they make lots of games, none of which are good. Mario has actually retained quality.
4. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS ALSO AN OPINION!!!!!1!!!1!!one!1!one!!!1! FAIL x 26!
5. Have you read the reviews? Maybe their standards are higher than yours? Or maybe.... just MAYBE.... They aren't biased? You know.... just putting it out there.
6. Yes there are. That doesn't make SU any better than it is. Putting a bowl of vomit next to a plate of excrement doesn't make either better than they are.curtdoggLP5
Wow....this so opnionated blind-sighted, I can't even come up with a real response. You've made it fairly obvious that you don't play 3D sonic games so you can stop pointing towards the reviews. They are actually quite poor and represent just how much of a joke game journalism is. I proved this in another post. People who have real experience and appreaciation for the 3D sonic games can tell you what really went wrong with the franchise and weither or not SU really sucks. The way I see it, Shadow was the firsy bad 3d sonic. If you wanna talk scores, SA got a 9 here along with a 8.5 for its sequel.
Ugh, good grief.
Shall I define "biased" for you?
What does bias have to do with it? I'm talking from experience with the games. If they truly sucked, I'd hate them. I don't go out of my way to defend 06, a game you didn't even know about. -_-
[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] People who have real experience and appreaciation for the 3D sonic games can tell you what really went wrong with the franchise and weither or not SU really sucks. IronBassI know a lot of them. They all agree with me: terrible games. I highly doubt it. Most people at least admit SA1 & 2 were good.
[QUOTE="curtdoggLP5"]
[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] 6/10 isnt bad, its fair. ya know like decent, ok, meh.
also - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjyWXiZrSlQ
wow, i really trust the "professionals". now lets hear what a fan thinks of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TmbZqxE5Wk
wow, he actually gave it chance, gave correct information, and took his review seriously, i dont see him getting a paycheck like Hilary Goldstein.
if you honestly trust these review sites, you're terribly misguided.
sonicthemegaman
If you trust the word of somebody who has an interest in Sonic being good over somebody who isn't effected either way then you have mental problems.
BTW, nice footage fishing there. Way to be biased :roll::roll:
BH has nothing to gain from the game nor his review of it. He didnt even say it was perfect. He said it was ok. Hilary on the other hand, flat out attacks the game and doesn't validate his criticisms. Let's not forget that reviewing is Hilary's job so he earns money this way. Many YT users would like sonic have taken the time to point out flaws in his review that you'd agree with if you weren't biased and misinformed. Sure, there are some obvious fanboys and the sonic fanbase is generally bad but there are some smart people out who can tell you that Hilary bashed the game. There is nothing biased about the vids I linked you to. If you want me to send you those Sonic Unleashed review rants, I could but, that I'd would think is more biased than what I just did here. Really, the game is average. Case and point. If you can't prove otherwise, it only justifies how many hyped games I dodge since reviews apparently effect your perspectitives.
OK, look I'm sick of arguing about this. Here are my points.
1. Sonic Unleashed is crap according to reviewers, and I agree having played it.
2. I generally base my gaming purchases from what reviewers say. Reviewers stop me from spening my money on bad games like Sonic Unleashed. If that makes me 'biased' or 'misinformed', then ignorance is bliss!
/vents steam
I highly doubt it. sonicthemegamanI couldn't care less about what you doubt or not.
Most people at least admit SA1 & 2 were good.sonicthemegamanSA 1 and 2 were good, a long time ago. They've aged horribly.
[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] People who have real experience and appreaciation for the 3D sonic games can tell you what really went wrong with the franchise and weither or not SU really sucks. sonicthemegamanI know a lot of them. They all agree with me: terrible games. I highly doubt it. Most people at least admit SA1 & 2 were good.What's wrong is camera, gameplay, too many side characters, too many sidequests, too much civilian interaction, and too many gimmicks. Sonic Team has barely addressed any of these problems at all, especially since most of them root from Adventure 1. Like I said, ok 10 years ago, but not forgivable anymore. Compare Adventure 1 to DX (PC or GCN) and Adventure 2 to Adventure 2 Battle which is essentially the same game with added multiplayer, and yet was received with far more criticism.
Sonic Unleashed is an amazing game and I have no idea how it recieved scores lower than Sonic 06. They gave the fans what they asked for: You can only play as Sonic and he's the fastest he's ever been. I have it for the PS3 and it's mypersonal Game of the Year for 2008.
[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"]
[QUOTE="curtdoggLP5"]
If you trust the word of somebody who has an interest in Sonic being good over somebody who isn't effected either way then you have mental problems.
BTW, nice footage fishing there. Way to be biased :roll::roll:curtdoggLP5
BH has nothing to gain from the game nor his review of it. He didnt even say it was perfect. He said it was ok. Hilary on the other hand, flat out attacks the game and doesn't validate his criticisms. Let's not forget that reviewing is Hilary's job so he earns money this way. Many YT users would like sonic have taken the time to point out flaws in his review that you'd agree with if you weren't biased and misinformed. Sure, there are some obvious fanboys and the sonic fanbase is generally bad but there are some smart people out who can tell you that Hilary bashed the game. There is nothing biased about the vids I linked you to. If you want me to send you those Sonic Unleashed review rants, I could but, that I'd would think is more biased than what I just did here. Really, the game is average. Case and point. If you can't prove otherwise, it only justifies how many hyped games I dodge since reviews apparently effect your perspectitives.
OK, look I'm sick of arguing about this. Here are my points.
1. Sonic Unleashed is crap according to reviewers, and I agree having played it.
2. I generally base my gaming purchases from what reviewers say. Reviewers stop me from spening my money on bad games like Sonic Unleashed. If that makes me 'biased' or 'misinformed', then ignorance is bliss!
/vents steam
That explains a lot -_-
[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]Sonic Unleashed is just a mediocre game. What do you want? I love the classic 1-3. Ever think that your opinion is just wrong hmm? (I've played both) Oh I also despise the Wii either way, so I don't like both games, but one is just way worse. a mediocre game is not an abomination. 3.5 implies the game is terrible. it should at least be a 6 cause the day levels have steep learning curves. really, what makes this game so bad? sure it isnt perfect but very few games are. Why should they be given sympathy? They are not different from anyone else.[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] ok then, so people who dont even like him are telling me his games suck. thats like taking an opnion on an anime from someone who hates anime. if people hate sonic, the games will suck regardless of improvements.sonicthemegaman
Exactly. Even with its flaws, SU is in no way worse than 06.Sonic Unleashed is an amazing game and I have no idea how it recieved scores lower than Sonic 06. They gave the fans what they asked for: You can only play as Sonic and he's the fastest he's ever been. I have it for the PS3 and it's mypersonal Game of the Year for 2008.
GeoffZak
[QUOTE="GeoffZak"]Exactly. Even with its flaws, SU is in no way worse than 06. I'll go with that, I managed to strangle myself and play it at the sametime, just so I could get to the awesome bestiality ending; it was worth it.Sonic Unleashed is an amazing game and I have no idea how it recieved scores lower than Sonic 06. They gave the fans what they asked for: You can only play as Sonic and he's the fastest he's ever been. I have it for the PS3 and it's mypersonal Game of the Year for 2008.
sonicthemegaman
Let me lighten this thread uphttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKeTuZ-zoeA
[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] Sonic Unleashed is just a mediocre game. What do you want? I love the classic 1-3. Ever think that your opinion is just wrong hmm? (I've played both) Oh I also despise the Wii either way, so I don't like both games, but one is just way worse.a mediocre game is not an abomination. 3.5 implies the game is terrible. it should at least be a 6 cause the day levels have steep learning curves. really, what makes this game so bad? sure it isnt perfect but very few games are. Why should they be given sympathy?JigglyWiggly_
I don't know. Why should TP be given sympathy for being the same damn game it was last time with dud bosses that present little to no challenge and enemies sporting horrid AI that's even worse than Dark gaia's spawn?
I don't know. Why should TP be given sympathy for being the same damn game it was last time with dud bosses that present little to no challenge and enemies sporting horrid AI that's even worse than Dark gaia's spawn?sonicthemegamanBecause *surprise!* people liked that game! And it's actually pretty good. While Sonic, well, it was terrible.
[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"][QUOTE="IronBass"] I know a lot of them. They all agree with me: terrible games.Renegade_FuryI highly doubt it. Most people at least admit SA1 & 2 were good.What's wrong is camera, gameplay, too many side characters, too many sidequests, too much civilian interaction, and too many gimmicks. Sonic Team has barely addressed any of these problems at all, especially since most of them root from Adventure 1. Like I said, ok 10 years ago, but not forgivable anymore. Compare Adventure 1 to DX (PC or GCN) and Adventure 2 to Adventure 2 Battle which is essentially the same game with added multiplayer, and yet was received with far more criticism. So when OoT and MM were re-released on GC, they magically sucked? SA1 & 2 are essentially DC games no matter how you look at it. To top it off, SA2 had no hubs and Heroes focused on only one gameplay type involving the teams. Shadow, though being mediocre, even had focused gameplay but more trival missions. Like I said, the suck started with Shadow. People still say SA2B(the remake) was the last great 3d Sonic so.......they still haven't aged well?
[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"]I don't know. Why should TP be given sympathy for being the same damn game it was last time with dud bosses that present little to no challenge and enemies sporting horrid AI that's even worse than Dark gaia's spawn?IronBassBecause *surprise!* people liked that game! And it's actually pretty good. While Sonic, well, it was terrible. The reviews said otherwise upon their original releases. They're the same yet people magically call it bad cause they "didnt age well". Oh and I really liked how you dodge my points -_-
So when OoT and MM were re-released on GC, they magically sucked? sonicthemegamanNot really. Those two games have aged quite well.
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