MASS EFFECT 3- Was the ending bad enough to ruin THE ENTIRE GAME?

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="m25105"]The ending was awful and it really does affect the replay value of the game. fueled-system

No I still enjoy playing the games and In fact I plan on playing the entire trilogy this summer. It does however ruin all of your major choices within the game.

No I still enjoy playing the games and In fact I plan on playing the entire trilogy this summer. It does however ruin all of your major choices within the game.

Gibsonsg527

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] No, it doesn't... ...also the ENTIRE game is the ending of the trilogy as well. Not just the ending of ME3. Playing through the game with different choices and really the tone can be drastically different.texasgoldrush

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Again, people just don't get it. The choices you made did make a difference because depending on the ending you chose, LIFE STILL GOES ON even after the explosion/shockwave thing.

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Again, people just don't get it. The choices you made did make a difference because depending on the ending you chose, LIFE STILL GOES ON even after the explosion/shockwave thing.

Cruxis27

yes, I've not played it but once the extended ending was announced I went ahead and spoiled the ending for my self and what was shown and described makes every thing I did mean nothing.
I also have a friend that owns the game and we've both played it all except for me when it comes to three and he agrees it makes it seem like every thing you've done up till that point means nothing and not only that the plot holes in the endings are huge often being completely non sense.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="m25105"]The ending was awful and it really does affect the replay value of the game. fueled-system

No.

The Ending was fine.

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] No, it doesn't... ...also the ENTIRE game is the ending of the trilogy as well. Not just the ending of ME3. Playing through the game with different choices and really the tone can be drastically different.SciFiRPGfan

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] No, it doesn't... ...also the ENTIRE game is the ending of the trilogy as well. Not just the ending of ME3. Playing through the game with different choices and really the tone can be drastically different.SciFiRPGfan

But what some people just do not understand is that some people lose interest in a thing when they know what wiill happen

It's like watching a movie with knowing who dies in the end, watching wrestling with knowing the results of the match.

For some of you it is fine to know and still enjoy but do not act like everyone is just like you all(generalizing not specific)

Its vastly tonally different.texasgoldrush

man, me2's different outcomes based on which loyalty missions you do, which missions you assign, and which upgrades you choose, really made me think we would be getting the same on a bigger scale for me3, even the possibility of loosing the war. jesus i was wrong.FIipMode

Now, the same can be said about Mass Effect 3.

It's up to everyone to decide whether there were enough choices (variations) and whether the differences were signifficant to warantee another playthrough, but to claim that Mass Effect 2's ending payout can be different while Mass Effect 3's can't, that would be false or at least very inaccurate. And very subjective.

It was fine.

But what some people just do not understand is that some people lose interest in a thing when they know what wiill happen

It's like watching a movie with knowing who dies in the end, watching wrestling with knowing the results of the match.

For some of you it is fine to know and still enjoy but do not act like everyone is just like you all(generalizing not specific)fueled-system

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HBM11sWmVY&feature=relmfu

Yes. Ignoring the series themes in the last 10 minutes of the game pretty much ruined the series for me. Bioware tried to get cute with their ending but they weren't good enough writers to pull it off. They should of just stuck with cheese, it's what they're good at.

Yes. Ignoring the series themes in the last 10 minutes of the game pretty much ruined the series for me. Bioware tried to get cute with their ending but they weren't good enough writers to pull it off. They should of just stuck with cheese, it's what they're good at.

KG86

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Yes. Ignoring the series themes in the last 10 minutes of the game pretty much ruined the series for me. Bioware tried to get cute with their ending but they weren't good enough writers to pull it off. They should of just stuck with cheese, it's what they're good at.

texasgoldrush

"Victory through sacrifice" was a complimetory theme introduced in the 3rd game. I'm more talking about "Transhumanism is cool and would totally end all conflict" theme which was apparently the theme Bioware was trying to get across despite all the story elements with went against it.

No. The ending was just odd imo. It didn't make Mass Effect 3 a bad game. It was a great game then and still.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="KG86"]

Yes. Ignoring the series themes in the last 10 minutes of the game pretty much ruined the series for me. Bioware tried to get cute with their ending but they weren't good enough writers to pull it off. They should of just stuck with cheese, it's what they're good at.

KG86

"Victory through sacrifice" was a complimetory theme introduced in the 3rd game. I'm more talking about "Transhumanism is cool and would totally end all conflict" theme which was apparently the theme Bioware was trying to get across despite all the story elements with went against it.

Yes, the ending ruined the experience. I was hooked to the game because of the story and to have it end that way is just too depressing.exiledsnake

im guessing texas still has verbal diarrhea...

[QUOTE="exiledsnake"]Yes, the ending ruined the experience. I was hooked to the game because of the story and to have it end that way is just too depressing.khoofia_pika

[QUOTE="FIipMode"]man, me2's different outcomes based on which loyalty missions you do, which missions you assign, and which upgrades you choose, really made me think we would be getting the same on a bigger scale for me3, even the possibility of loosing the war. jesus i was wrong.SciFiRPGfan

Now, the same can be said about Mass Effect 3.

It's up to everyone to decide whether there were enough choices (variations) and whether the differences were signifficant to warantee another playthrough, but to claim that Mass Effect 2's ending payout can be different while Mass Effect 3's can't, that would be false or at least very inaccurate. And very subjective.

It was fine.

But what some people just do not understand is that some people lose interest in a thing when they know what wiill happen

It's like watching a movie with knowing who dies in the end, watching wrestling with knowing the results of the match.

For some of you it is fine to know and still enjoy but do not act like everyone is just like you all(generalizing not specific)fueled-system

Those nerds who sent Bioware cupcakes to change the ending are humiliating. It is the very epitome of first world problems. Go out and enjoy the rest of life. It just shows how emotionally attached they are to a VIRTUAL universe.Zariano

[QUOTE="Zariano"]Those nerds who sent Bioware cupcakes to change the ending are humiliating. It is the very epitome of first world problems. Go out and enjoy the rest of life. It just shows how emotionally attached they are to a VIRTUAL universe.Vaasman

Didn't those people all raise alot of money for Child's Play? Or was that a different group?

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[QUOTE="Zariano"]Those nerds who sent Bioware cupcakes to change the ending are humiliating. It is the very epitome of first world problems. Go out and enjoy the rest of life. It just shows how emotionally attached they are to a VIRTUAL universe.Kickinurass

Didn't those people all raise alot of money for Child's Play? Or was that a different group?

Hell nah. I think most people really disliked the ending because they did not uderstand it. Simple as that.

Cruxis27

people can die and even your main character can dies based on your choices, in me3 nothing makes a significant difference in the final battle.FIipMode

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] No, it doesn't... ...also the ENTIRE game is the ending of the trilogy as well. Not just the ending of ME3. Playing through the game with different choices and really the tone can be drastically different.texasgoldrush

WRONG, it does, if it didn't there would be so much people asking it to change it and they wouldn't be releasing an EC dlc, ignoramus

[QUOTE="001011000101101"]I don't what to answer. I still consider ME3 one of the best games I've played in years, and the ME trilogy as the best videogame trilogy of all time, but after the ending of ME3, I have ZERO desire to start over. I played both ME1 & 2 around 12-13 times, but I haven't even played ME3 twice. The game is amazing, and your choices really do have some awesome consequences, but I'm having a hard time caring when the ending is as depressing as it is. I like dark endings. I like depressing games. But ME3 went waaaay overboard. No matter what you do, the galaxy is screwed, and that is why I can't be bothered anymore.SciFiRPGfan

A few spoilers below..

As I already said, a lot of things goes bad in ME3, no matter what you do. No matter how big an army you gather, these things still happens. You have no idea what happened to the other homeworlds, other than they were totally screwed the last time you saw them. Curing the Genophage is cool and all, but before you reach the end of the game, the whole planet might as well have been destroyed.If I did a really bad playthrough, an ending like this one would be great. Depressing in all the right ways. Your Shepard failed, the galaxy is screwed. But as it is now, you can be the biggest paragon, assemble the biggest fleet, save everyone in you come across and yet, you STILL get the same sad crap. THAT is why the ending is so depressing. It's depressing in the wrong way.

I don't care if this is a decision on Bioware's part. It seems comepletely out of place, and ****s all over the entire trilogy.

Sad endings can be great, when they make sense in the context of the game.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

WRONG, it does, if it didn't there would be so much people asking it to change it and they wouldn't be releasing an EC dlc, ignoramus

The_Pacific

No the ending was not bad enough to ruin the entire game. It was so bad it ruined all 3 games and any novels or comics made to date. Before ME3 i never saw a game ending that was so bad it had to be redone with DLC.

[QUOTE="The_Pacific"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] No, its execution issues as well of the ending... However, to say the game does not have replay value is idiotic. The other 95% of the game proves this.001011000101101

I'm gonna agree, ME2 had a LOT of variety in the endings compared to the other two games, it had epic music, it had tension. Granted, I thought the space battle in ME3 was incredibly cool (needed music though, silence was less epic), and fighting in london was intense. But overall I think ME2 nailed the ending types a lot better

That's the thing. ME2 could end in a really triumphant way or a really sad way, depending on your choices. Mass Effect 3 ends bad no matter what you do. 001011000101101

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people can die and even your main character can dies based on your choices, in me3 nothing makes a significant difference in the final battle.SciFiRPGfan

What significant changes could happen based on the players choices in ME3s ending mission that I'm missing out on mentioning?

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

WRONG, it does, if it didn't there would be so much people asking it to change it and they wouldn't be releasing an EC dlc, ignoramus

The_Pacific

[QUOTE="001011000101101"][QUOTE="The_Pacific"] There is 0 replay value in ME3. The tone isn't deifferent and the choices you make all lead to the same ending (with different colors). ME2 you could have one playthorugh where all your team members die or you could save them all, it was all up to you. ME3 you can't do anything to change the 3 horrible endings.wis3boi

I'm gonna agree, ME2 had a LOT of variety in the endings compared to the other two games, it had epic music, it had tension. Granted, I thought the space battle in ME3 was incredibly cool (needed music though, silence was less epic), and fighting in london was intense. But overall I think ME2 nailed the ending types a lot better

No the ending was not bad enough to ruin the entire game. It was so bad it ruined all 3 games and any novels or comics made to date. Before ME3 i never saw a game ending that was so bad it had to be redone with DLC.

Vambran

I think it's a poor follow up to Mass Effect 2, which was great.siLVURcross

[QUOTE="001011000101101"]That's the thing. ME2 could end in a really triumphant way or a really sad way, depending on your choices. Mass Effect 3 ends bad no matter what you do. Miroku32

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[QUOTE="001011000101101"] That's the thing. ME2 could end in a really triumphant way or a really sad way, depending on your choices. Mass Effect 3 ends bad no matter what you do. texasgoldrush

I'm gonna agree, ME2 had a LOT of variety in the endings compared to the other two games, it had epic music, it had tension. Granted, I thought the space battle in ME3 was incredibly cool (needed music though, silence was less epic), and fighting in london was intense. But overall I think ME2 nailed the ending types a lot better

[QUOTE="Miroku32"][QUOTE="001011000101101"]That's the thing. ME2 could end in a really triumphant way or a really sad way, depending on your choices. Mass Effect 3 ends bad no matter what you do. texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

WRONG, it does, if it didn't there would be so much people asking it to change it and they wouldn't be releasing an EC dlc, ignoramus

The_Pacific

A few spoilers below..

As I already said, a lot of things goes bad in ME3, no matter what you do. No matter how big an army you gather, these things still happens. You have no idea what happened to the other homeworlds, other than they were totally screwed the last time you saw them. Curing the Genophage is cool and all, but before you reach the end of the game, the whole planet might as well have been destroyed. If I did a really bad playthrough, an ending like this one would be great. Depressing in all the right ways. Your Shepard failed, the galaxy is screwed. But as it is now, you can be the biggest paragon, assemble the biggest fleet, save everyone in you come across and yet, you STILL get the same sad crap. THAT is why the ending is so depressing. It's depressing in the wrong way.

I don't care if this is a decision on Bioware's part. It seems comepletely out of place, and ****s all over the entire trilogy.001011000101101

Well, you said that you supposedly like dark / depressing endings or games, but then you proceed to criticize the game for not allowing you to avoid them. I don't know... but something does not add up.

Large part of appeal of dark / depressing works (movies, games, books, comics, etc.) or events is in the fact, that they are bringing in some shape or form negative emotions / consequences, which are unavoidable. If they were avoidable, the work would not be described as depressing, but... I don't know... only partially depressing or optionally depressing or not depressing at all. Where would be the depression, if the event, that is supposed to cause it, could be avoided completely? Or could only be activated at the will of the person, who is supposed to be affected by it?

You may not like those events or the fact that they are unavoidable, but... then you probably should not try portray yourself as a person who actually likes stuff like that. That was my main point. Not to question your judgement about ME3's ending being too dark / depressing.

Also, you are making a lot of assumptions in your post about the things which actually could have gone either way (fate of Tuchanka, fate of fleets, fate of crew). The lack of clarity and closure is something that I consider to be the biggest flaw of the ending myself, but the lack of information does not mean that the things happened in the worst possible way. It's more of a sign of incomplete or deliberatly open ending than sign of deliberately dark / depressing one.

Sad endings can be great, when they make sense in the context of the game.