MS changing their Architecture for Next Box?

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#1 Shielder7
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Do you think MS (assuming the rumors were true like the PS 4) could change their  Architecture to beef up their system to match or far pass the PS 4?  It's no secreat that MS has a bigger bank roll than Sony and Nintendo and could beat them in pricing, but the utter silence from MS after the PS 4 revile makes me wonder if they're tweaking the Next Box  a bit or do you think it would be too late?

 

And before anyone says anything I'm no Lem, I'm probably going PS 4 unless Sony does something really stupid like charge for online.

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#2 ImBatman-
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They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

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#3 CaptainGamespot
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they probly wuld change their rumored 4gb  of ram to 8gb if anything, not sure if they would go 16, but they could do that too.

price planning for launch tho is crucial, they don't want the price to skyrocket.

so any changes will be minimal to prevent a launch delay or price increase.

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#4 Shewgenja
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Eh, there is probably going to be a processor parallel to the gaming CPU to handle OS tasks.  Other than that, no wizard sauce.

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They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

ImBatman-
This. Let them try lol
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#6 crippledmachine
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I hope so, it would be good for PC gaming.

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they probly wuld change their rumored 4gb  of ram to 8gb if anything, not sure if they would go 16, but they could do that too.

price planning for launch tho is crucial, they don't want the price to skyrocket.

so any changes will be minimal to prevent a launch delay or price increase.

CaptainGamespot

 

Nextbox was always rumored to have 8 gigs of DDR3.

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They can't beat 8GB DDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

ImBatman-

they will prob match 8gb, but it won't be gddr5 to save money.

rumors were putting both 720 & ps4 at 4gb. i heard behind scenes, sony surprised devs and xbox.

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#9 Rocker6
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What if the 720 is already on par with the PS4?

All we know about its architecture are rumors... I'd wait for an official reveal next month before jumping to conclusions or coming up with assumptions based on non-credible sources...

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I think MS has a specific goal with nextbox that we will see this e3 and surrounding events. Im willing to bet that it will be feature rich especially given ms  is a software company. I think it will contain enough horsepower to compete with next gen gaming in terms of performance and I think ms will try to market to all demographics in gaming just like this gen. cant wait for an announcement

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#11 Shielder7
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They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

ImBatman-
Sure they could they could add 12GB GDDR5, and RAM isn't the only thing they could Beef up. Why is everyone so obsessed with RAM? RAM doesn't = Power you know this right?
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#12 Shielder7
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What if the 720 is already on par with the PS4?

All we know about its architecture are rumors... I'd wait for an official reveal next month before jumping to conclusions or coming up with assumptions based on non-credible sources...

Rocker6
Well the rumors about the PS 4 were almost spot on just figuring they could beef up their system before E3 because of the PS 4.
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[QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

Shielder7

Sure they could they could add 12GB GDDR5, and RAM isn't the only thing they could Beef up. Why is everyone so obsessed with RAM? RAM doesn't = Power you know this right?

They can't do that with incurring some massive costs. M$ may have deep pockets, but I doubt they want to lose a lot of money on each sale of the NextBox.

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They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

ImBatman-
You don't know what they can do. lol!! No one on here even knows what's inside the Next XBox. They could easily match what's in the PS4 and add extra features. So let's just wait and see.
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[QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

blackace
You don't know what they can do. lol!! No one on here even knows what's inside the Next XBox. They could easily match what's in the PS4 and add extra features. So let's just wait and see.

Some of us have some idea.
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[QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

blackace

You don't know what they can do. lol!! No one on here even knows what's inside the Next XBox. They could easily match what's in the PS4 and add extra features. So let's just wait and see.

extra feature. kinect 2 in every box. that cost alone something to consider bcause it takes away from other specs.

u r right, we will see.

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#17 Rocker6
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[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

What if the 720 is already on par with the PS4?

All we know about its architecture are rumors... I'd wait for an official reveal next month before jumping to conclusions or coming up with assumptions based on non-credible sources...

Shielder7

Well the rumors about the PS 4 were almost spot on just figuring they could beef up their system before E3 because of the PS 4.

If we assume the rumors are correct, it's still unlikely they could make any signifficant changes to the architecture, most of their plans are probably finalized by now, especially with the reveal coming next month...

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[QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

blackace

You don't know what they can do. lol!! No one on here even knows what's inside the Next XBox. They could easily match what's in the PS4 and add extra features. So let's just wait and see.

I do know what they can do.

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#19 Shewgenja
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[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

CaptainGamespot

You don't know what they can do. lol!! No one on here even knows what's inside the Next XBox. They could easily match what's in the PS4 and add extra features. So let's just wait and see.

extra feature. kinect 2 in every box. that cost alone something to consider bcause it takes away from other specs.

u r right, we will see.

Not to mention the Xenos/Xenon for B/C as well.

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Nope I think it will less powerful than PS4 and they will focus on more casual so power won't be that important to them.

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Nope I think it will less powerful than PS4 and they will focus on more casual so power won't be that important to them.

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they will probably rely on good software/features to make up for lack of juice, especially if kinect 2 is packed in every box.

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#22 Shewgenja
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[QUOTE="HaloPimp978"]

Nope I think it will less powerful than PS4 and they will focus on more casual so power won't be that important to them.

CaptainGamespot

they will probably rely on good software/features to make up for lack of juice, especially if kinect 2 is packed in every box.

Services. Lots of them.
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#23 Tessellation
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I don't give a fvck about the graphics,i have my PC for that..you know the superior system for graphics,resolution and framerates? 720 needs to have interesting games.
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It's too late for that. Everything theyre doing now is social gaming/media , creating deals, prepping kinect etc. The insides are ready

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#25 CaptainGamespot
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[QUOTE="CaptainGamespot"]

[QUOTE="HaloPimp978"]

Nope I think it will less powerful than PS4 and they will focus on more casual so power won't be that important to them.

Shewgenja

they will probably rely on good software/features to make up for lack of juice, especially if kinect 2 is packed in every box.

Services. Lots of them.

xactly. people love those & sub allot of them. they r good at software, so even hardware a bit or a lot weaker, the software will probalby help them thru next gen.

the challenge of making actual good kinect 2 games seems their intent.(still not sure if possible)

plus, subs to xbox live gold is money in the bank. people feel invested and want to keep subbing.

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[QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

Shielder7

Sure they could they could add 12GB GDDR5, and RAM isn't the only thing they could Beef up. Why is everyone so obsessed with RAM? RAM doesn't = Power you know this right?

Kids.. You can't just start changing the architecture like that. He didnt say 8GB GDDR5 RAM can't be beat because RAM = power, he said it because you can't just change architecture on a console like that without taking loses and delaying it.

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#27 Shewgenja
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You parents might want one more than you do.

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#28 StrongBlackVine
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I don't give a fvck about the graphics,i have my PC for that..you know the superior system for graphics,resolution and framerates? 720 needs to have interesting games.Tessellation

When XBox ever had interesting first party games?

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#29 ImBatman-
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I don't give a fvck about the graphics,i have my PC for that..you know the superior system for graphics,resolution and framerates? 720 needs to have interesting games.Tessellation
It sure will have tons of 'interesting' games.

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Lemmings getting more desperate every day. Kinda sad to watch this meltdown unfold.

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[QUOTE="Shielder7"][QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

StrongBlackVine

Sure they could they could add 12GB GDDR5, and RAM isn't the only thing they could Beef up. Why is everyone so obsessed with RAM? RAM doesn't = Power you know this right?

They can't do that with incurring some massive costs. M$ may have deep pockets, but I doubt they want to lose a lot of money on each sale of the NextBox.

the price increase from 8 to 12 wouldn't be that much imo

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probably too late for any major changes. Also pretty sure MS is confident is what they already have.
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#33 CaptainGamespot
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[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="Shielder7"] Sure they could they could add 12GB GDDR5, and RAM isn't the only thing they could Beef up. Why is everyone so obsessed with RAM? RAM doesn't = Power you know this right?rilpas

They can't do that with incurring some massive costs. M$ may have deep pockets, but I doubt they want to lose a lot of money on each sale of the NextBox.

the price increase from 8 to 12 wouldn't be that much imo

there is also diff ram to consider, also it could be from 4 to 12, we don't know.

my main concern is i don't want to pay for kinect 2, i hope that's not a forced pack in.

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#34 HaloPimp978
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Nope I think it will less powerful than PS4 and they will focus on more casual so power won't be that important to them.

CaptainGamespot

they will probably rely on good software/features to make up for lack of juice, especially if kinect 2 is packed in every box.

Yep more services and ads right on your dashboard...

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Do you think MS (assuming the rumors were true like the PS 4) could change their  Architecture to beef up their system to match or far pass the PS 4?  It's no secreat that MS has a bigger bank roll than Sony and Nintendo and could beat them in pricing, but the utter silence from MS after the PS 4 revile makes me wonder if they're tweaking the Next Box  a bit or do you think it would be too late?

 

And before anyone says anything I'm no Lem, I'm probably going PS 4 unless Sony does something really stupid like charge for online.

Shielder7
Having a bigger bank roll means nothing,MS want profits period. They can change the specs and out do sony,the problem is that it will delay the xbox 720 a year or more,changing component is not the same as adding memory.
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Does it ever occur to anyone that MS might not necessarily see Sony as their competition anymore?  The Wii did almost as good a job getting into living rooms as the PS2 did this gen.  MS wants Live accounts in 100 million homes.  Perhaps they don't see gaming as even the main avenue of doing that?

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#37 blackace
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It's too late for that. Everything theyre doing now is social gaming/media , creating deals, prepping kinect etc. The insides are ready

Douevenlift_bro
LOL!! Another clueless person.
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#38 CaptainGamespot
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[QUOTE="CaptainGamespot"]

[QUOTE="HaloPimp978"]

Nope I think it will less powerful than PS4 and they will focus on more casual so power won't be that important to them.

HaloPimp978

they will probably rely on good software/features to make up for lack of juice, especially if kinect 2 is packed in every box.

Yep more services and ads right on your dashboard...

it's a good model they worked out somehow.

we pay to see ads.

pubs pay them to show us. premium spots costs more.

ads-640x359.jpg

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#39 Shewgenja
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[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

It's too late for that. Everything theyre doing now is social gaming/media , creating deals, prepping kinect etc. The insides are ready

blackace
LOL!! Another clueless person.

With all due respect, you're hoping and dreaming for something that isn't there.
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#40 blackace
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[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

Shewgenja
You don't know what they can do. lol!! No one on here even knows what's inside the Next XBox. They could easily match what's in the PS4 and add extra features. So let's just wait and see.

Some of us have some idea.

You have ideas and opinions. Nothing that is factual however. Basically, you don't know.
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[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

It's too late for that. Everything theyre doing now is social gaming/media , creating deals, prepping kinect etc. The insides are ready

blackace

LOL!! Another clueless person.

You are clueless. You are just hoping the Nextbox isn't crap.

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#42 rilpas
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[QUOTE="HaloPimp978"]

[QUOTE="CaptainGamespot"]

they will probably rely on good software/features to make up for lack of juice, especially if kinect 2 is packed in every box.

CaptainGamespot

Yep more services and ads right on your dashboard...

it's a good model they worked out somehow.

we pay to see ads.

pubs pay them to show us. premium spots costs more.

ads-640x359.jpg

xbl-ads-screen1.jpg

Jesus Christ good thing I live in a country where the 360 isn't popular enough to get non gaming ads

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[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

It's too late for that. Everything theyre doing now is social gaming/media , creating deals, prepping kinect etc. The insides are ready

blackace

LOL!! Another clueless person.

Enlighten me broski... I'll wait

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[QUOTE="HaloPimp978"]

[QUOTE="CaptainGamespot"]

they will probably rely on good software/features to make up for lack of juice, especially if kinect 2 is packed in every box.

CaptainGamespot

Yep more services and ads right on your dashboard...

it's a good model they worked out somehow.

we pay to see ads.

pubs pay them to show us. 

ads-640x359.jpg

That's true you do get what you pay for.

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#45 blackace
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[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

It's too late for that. Everything theyre doing now is social gaming/media , creating deals, prepping kinect etc. The insides are ready

Shewgenja
LOL!! Another clueless person.

With all due respect, you're hoping and dreaming for something that isn't there.

You hoping and dreaming what's there isn't as good as the PS4. lol!! That problem is, you don't know. You don't have a clue of what's there.
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[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

It's too late for that. Everything theyre doing now is social gaming/media , creating deals, prepping kinect etc. The insides are ready

Douevenlift_bro

LOL!! Another clueless person.

Enlighten me broski... I'll wait

Kinect is a joke.

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#47 CaptainGamespot
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[QUOTE="CaptainGamespot"]

[QUOTE="HaloPimp978"]

Yep more services and ads right on your dashboard...

rilpas

it's a good model they worked out somehow.

we pay to see ads.

pubs pay them to show us. premium spots costs more.

ads-640x359.jpg

xbl-ads-screen1.jpg

Jesus Christ good thing I live in a country where the 360 isn't popular enough to get non gaming ads

:lol:

the next machine has been designed around this concept. 360 went thru updates to achieve. 720 can do from day 1. this is the future.

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#48 Douevenlift_bro
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[QUOTE="Shewgenja"][QUOTE="blackace"] LOL!! Another clueless person. blackace
With all due respect, you're hoping and dreaming for something that isn't there.

You hoping and dreaming what's there isn't as good as the PS4. lol!! That problem is, you don't know. You don't have a clue of what's there.

We do have a clue... dev kits. Same clue that were almsot spot on for PS4

 

So umm yeah.

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#49 blackace
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[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

It's too late for that. Everything theyre doing now is social gaming/media , creating deals, prepping kinect etc. The insides are ready

Douevenlift_bro

LOL!! Another clueless person.

Enlighten me broski... I'll wait

You don't know what's in the box or what they will show. Your assuming. Is that enlightening enough for you? We already know the PS4 will be social gaming/media, social features, etc.. because they told us.
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#50 StrongBlackVine
Member since 2012 • 13262 Posts

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"][QUOTE="blackace"] LOL!! Another clueless person. blackace
With all due respect, you're hoping and dreaming for something that isn't there.

You hoping and dreaming what's there isn't as good as the PS4. lol!! That problem is, you don't know. You don't have a clue of what's there.

Oh we have a clue. The leaks on the PS4 were true so I believe the specs on the Xbox to be true as well. And yes even before the meeting there were rumors that Sony wanted to bump the memory up to 8GB. So info is out there you just choose to ignore it.