MS changing their Architecture for Next Box?

[QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

They can't beat 8GB DDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

CaptainGamespot

they will prob match 8gb, but it won't be gddr5 to save money.

rumors were putting both 720 & ps4 at 4gb. i heard behind scenes, sony surprised devs and xbox.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] Can you put me on ignore, too? Nothing you've ever said isto motley intelligent.clone01

Is that some sort of meme or past reference, or did you misspell "remotely"?

Motley is a word I use as well, but as an adjective describing intelligent, that doesn't seem to work.

No, I was curious about that being a possible reference.

[QUOTE="CaptainGamespot"]

[QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

They can't beat 8GB DDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

Phazevariance

they will prob match 8gb, but it won't be gddr5 to save money.

rumors were putting both 720 & ps4 at 4gb. i heard behind scenes, sony surprised devs and xbox.

[QUOTE="nextgenjoke"]

16 gddr3 is all they need lol.

I_can_haz

alienware x51 owns ps4 because it has 16gb of ram lol

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"][QUOTE="nextgenjoke"]

16 gddr3 is all they need lol.

nextgenjoke

[QUOTE="nextgenjoke"][QUOTE="I_can_haz"]You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Faster RAM>>>More RAM. Not even Crysis 3 requires more than 2GB of DDR3 to run on windows. Upping the DDR3 will make no difference, you need faster RAM to compete with PS4 not more of slow DDR3.I_can_haz

alienware x51 with a new graphics card when ps4 launch will stomp its ass.

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"][QUOTE="nextgenjoke"] lol i've been pc gaming since the early 90s dude more ram>>>faster.nextgenjoke

http://www.ign.com/wikis/crysis-3/System_Requirements

[QUOTE="nextgenjoke"][QUOTE="I_can_haz"]and so have I. You still don't know what you're talking about. Faster RAM>>More RAM for gaming.I_can_haz

http://www.ign.com/wikis/crysis-3/System_Requirements

That would be impossible at this point. According to Eurogamer, that is.

A drastic change in physical architecture would only jeaprodize production, probably cause major delays. And MS would NOT want that to happen.

I don't understand all the hoopla over 8GB of Ram. The Next Box has them. But the difference is MS decided to use th "OLD" way architecture. Which really isn't that much of a big hinderence. The Next Box is efficient enough and easy to develop for, along with DEV Tools that MS excels at in providing for developers.

Cross platform game development from PC to Next Box should be a breeze, given the Next Box (and PS4) are practically mid-grade PCs.

2_Quiet_2_Riot

They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

ImBatman-

I have a feeling that the eSRAM will more than make up for the lack of bandwidth DDR3 provides.  Both console's will be pretty damned even in RAM, the amount is the key, 8GB is an abundance.  Technically, the 720 will have more RAM.  With the 32MB's of eSRAM used for fast graphics function's, that leave's more RAM for other things.  PS4 just has the one pool.

CPU and GPU though, that's another story, i'll have to wait and see.

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

What if the 720 is already on par with the PS4?

All we know about its architecture are rumors... I'd wait for an official reveal next month before jumping to conclusions or coming up with assumptions based on non-credible sources...

Shielder7

It's too late for that now. If they change anything major this close to launch they risk having RROD part 2. After the losses they took duee to RROD I don't think they'll be stupid enough to risk it happening again. The most lems can hope is pray that they up their RAM in DDR3. It's too late to go GDDR5 at this point. It's not a simple matter of just plugging in more RAM sticks, the entire board, power supply, cooling, etc. needs to be changed if you're changing the type of RAM.

I_can_haz

[QUOTE="nextgenjoke"][QUOTE="I_can_haz"]You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Faster RAM>>>More RAM. Not even Crysis 3 requires more than 2GB of DDR3 to run on windows. Upping the DDR3 will make no difference, you need faster RAM to compete with PS4 not more of slow DDR3.I_can_haz

[QUOTE="nextgenjoke"][QUOTE="I_can_haz"]and so have I. You still don't know what you're talking about. Faster RAM>>More RAM for gaming.I_can_haz

http://www.ign.com/wikis/crysis-3/System_Requirements

[QUOTE="nextgenjoke"][QUOTE="I_can_haz"]and so have I. You still don't know what you're talking about. Faster RAM>>More RAM for gaming.I_can_haz

http://www.ign.com/wikis/crysis-3/System_Requirements

I have a feeling that the eSRAM will more than make up for the lack of bandwidth DDR3 provides.  Both console's will be pretty damned even in RAM, the amount is the key, 8GB is an abundance.  Technically, the 720 will have more RAM.  With the 32MB's of eSRAM used for fast graphics function's, that leave's more RAM for other things.  PS4 just has the one pool.

CPU and GPU though, that's another story, i'll have to wait and see.

Chozofication

I actually ran crysis 2 on windows 7 with 1gb of ram lol the operating system operates smooth but there's pauses in crysis 2 but it's still playable lol just gotta wait for it to load sections.

windows 7 doesnt feel like too much of a hog to me.

[QUOTE="Shielder7"][QUOTE="Rocker6"]

What if the 720 is already on par with the PS4?

All we know about its architecture are rumors... I'd wait for an official reveal next month before jumping to conclusions or coming up with assumptions based on non-credible sources...

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]

[QUOTE="nextgenjoke"] more ram=more space for contentnextgenjoke

http://www.ign.com/wikis/crysis-3/System_Requirements

[QUOTE="Chozofication"]

I have a feeling that the eSRAM will more than make up for the lack of bandwidth DDR3 provides.  Both console's will be pretty damned even in RAM, the amount is the key, 8GB is an abundance.  Technically, the 720 will have more RAM.  With the 32MB's of eSRAM used for fast graphics function's, that leave's more RAM for other things.  PS4 just has the one pool.

CPU and GPU though, that's another story, i'll have to wait and see.

tormentos

You're not going to see any real benefit's over 720 with the PS4's RAM set up.  All Sony has done with that much GDDR5 is raised the cost vs. 720's RAM set up.  The eSRAM makes all the difference.  Sony is going for the brute force route with the PS4 and 720 will be more sophisticated and less expensive to make.  Think Gamecube vs. Xbox.  They'll be pretty close in power with a slight edge to PS4.  Don't get me wrong, PS4 will be more powerful, but it doesn't make much difference.

eDRAM and System RAM is the way to go, and Nintendo did it first.  Low latency memory for the whole system, and fast dedicated memory for graphics.

[QUOTE="nextgenjoke"]

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]No in this case it doesn't. Crysis 3 uses under 2 GB of RAM and is currently the best looking game. More is really not needed unless the OS is a huge hog. Faster RAM is more beneficial. Here at the system requirements for Crysis 3 if you doubt me:

 

http://www.ign.com/wikis/crysis-3/System_Requirements

I_can_haz

http://www.vgleaks.com/durango-memory-system-overview/

crysis 2 loads slow as **** with 1gb lol and a hell of alot faster with 3gb.

That's just what they recommend 3gb.

Then if you put in 16gb crysis 2 load like a cartridge lol.

ps4 is using a damn 2ghz amd cpu lol intel still has faster cpu architecture.

http://blogs.amd.com/fusion/2013/02/21/amd/

about ps4

[QUOTE="CaptainGamespot"]

they probly wuld change their rumored 4gb  of ram to 8gb if anything, not sure if they would go 16, but they could do that too.

price planning for launch tho is crucial, they don't want the price to skyrocket.

so any changes will be minimal to prevent a launch delay or price increase.

Kingpin0114

Nextbox was always rumored to have 8 gigs of DDR3.

lol the jaguars the successor to the bobcat which is slower than a k8 lol athlon 64 at the same clock speeds.

i wouldnt expect much gains on operatings per mhz.

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"][QUOTE="nextgenjoke"] You;re pc will load games faster with 16gb of ram than 8gb of ram.nextgenjoke

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] logic presented. 512mb of super fast ram is better than 6 gigs of normal ram. Shielder7

lol the jaguars the successor to the bobcat which is slower than a k8 lol athlon 64 at the same clock speeds.

 

i wouldnt expect much gains on operatings per mhz.

nextgenjoke

What if the 720 is already on par with the PS4?

All we know about its architecture are rumors... I'd wait for an official reveal next month before jumping to conclusions or coming up with assumptions based on non-credible sources...

Rocker6

For power, I think it will be like GCvsXbox. GC being the nextbox and Xbox being the PS4. Multiplats will look the same. PS4 exclusives will probably look better than Nextbox exclusives.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100806053624AAhBxFY

Does more RAM make games load faster?

lol

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100806053624AAhBxFY

Does more RAM make games load faster?

lol

nextgenjoke

[QUOTE="nextgenjoke"]

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100806053624AAhBxFY

Does more RAM make games load faster?

lol

Shielder7

They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

ImBatman-

MS could match PS4's GDDR5 since JEDEC has the new standard DDR4/GDDR5M SODIMM for the PC.

no matter what ms changes, sony will crush them.campzor

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100806053624AAhBxFY

Does more RAM make games load faster?

lol

nextgenjoke