MS changing their Architecture for Next Box?

What's wrong with being slightly weaker? Yall are actin like the 720 will be wii u level or something. And cows need to hush about graphics because the ps1 and ps2 were far weaker than the competition and the PS3 only matched the 360.

This is getting stupid now, all we have is rumours, microsoft haven't gone quiet they just haven't announced there console :S it's coming out at the same time as the ps4. microsoft is going to show it off in april just wait, and E3 is where it is at, seriously you show all of it off now and what else have we got to keep hype going for any of them nothing if you lot had it your way and we'd be bored by the time it came to release date. lets have these conversations once microsoft announces what they have. 

Gosh, no doubt about it, 2005 all over again, teh Sony is gonna crush the competition, yes really, they are, no really. ,:P

They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

ImBatman-

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2nd post nonetheless.

You're not going to see any real benefit's over 720 with the PS4's RAM set up.  All Sony has done with that much GDDR5 is raised the cost vs. 720's RAM set up.  The eSRAM makes all the difference.  Sony is going for the brute force route with the PS4 and 720 will be more sophisticated and less expensive to make.  Think Gamecube vs. Xbox.  They'll be pretty close in power with a slight edge to PS4.  Don't get me wrong, PS4 will be more powerful, but it doesn't make much difference.

eDRAM and System RAM is the way to go, and Nintendo did it first.  Low latency memory for the whole system, and fast dedicated memory for graphics.

Chozofication

[QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

ronvalencia

MS could match PS4's GDDR5 since JEDEC has the new standard DDR4/GDDR5M SODIMM for the PC.

[QUOTE="Shielder7"][QUOTE="nextgenjoke"]

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100806053624AAhBxFY

Does more RAM make games load faster?

lol

nextgenjoke

I doubt we would see much of a change. What they could do does not equate to what they will do. They do have deep pockets, but they're very mindful of shareholders. So I wouldn't anything drastic that would wow us.

[QUOTE="nextgenjoke"]

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100806053624AAhBxFY

Does more RAM make games load faster?

lol

Shielder7

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

tormentos

MS could match PS4's GDDR5 since JEDEC has the new standard DDR4/GDDR5M SODIMM for the PC.

[QUOTE="Shielder7"][QUOTE="nextgenjoke"]

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100806053624AAhBxFY

Does more RAM make games load faster?

lol

ronvalencia

UEFI is same as bios but with mouse UI?:|

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]I don't give a fvck about the graphics,i have my PC for that..you know the superior system for graphics,resolution and framerates? 720 needs to have interesting games.StrongBlackVine

When XBox ever had interesting first party games?

:(

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]I don't give a fvck about the graphics,i have my PC for that..you know the superior system for graphics,resolution and framerates? 720 needs to have interesting games.casharmy

When XBox ever had interesting first party games?

:(

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

When XBox ever had interesting first party games?

sts106mat

:(

You still buy that kiddie power rangers game so I don't see why not.

[QUOTE="THE_Rob_Himself"]

[QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

blackace

If all the released specs for the 720 are true and its less powerful than the PS4, I just don't care. I'm sure its plenty more powerful than the 360 times likely 5 or 6, and its also likely to be cheaper than the PS4. 8 gigs off DDR3 ram is nothing to sneeze at either. Price as far as console cost. Games are first though. I recall the PS3 being touted as worlds mor epowerful than the 360, but none of the games ever proved it was a huge leap. We saw some impressive titles here and there, but Gears and Halo stood right next to them in graphic quality. Sales both for the system and the games themselves proved that.

So I'm fine with the systems specs if they are true provided the price is right and the games continue to be what I like.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

When XBox ever had interesting first party games?

sts106mat

:(

It was creative, innovative and most of all fun.  Let me put it like this...if M$ re-released Blinx for the 720 I would actually be tempted to buy one!

Blinx was MS's Mario/jak n daxter in quality.  Reviewrs for this game failed it hard but MS also gave up too quick becuase I had just as much fun in Blinx as some of the best mario and jak games.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] lol, look at that now though, i know it used a cool idea at the time. but look at that, its a ginger cat FFS. none of us would willing buy that sh1t today would we?sts106mat

It was creative, innovative and most of all fun.  Let me put it like this...if M$ re-released Blinx for the 720 I would actually be tempted to buy one!

:?

You have an play kinect>>>what you just said

Sorry if she didn't puch you in the face already then you should worry about her seeing you play a good game

 GDDR5 standard is not new, but the packaging is new.

ronvalencia

DDR4 is...

And GDDR5 or DDR4 in any way for the xbox 720 would require a complete mother board redesign and a whole new set of test,even an exterior redesign,is not something you do in 10 days.

If all the released specs for the 720 are true and its less powerful than the PS4, I just don't care. I'm sure its plenty more powerful than the 360 times likely 5 or 6, and its also likely to be cheaper than the PS4. 8 gigs off DDR3 ram is nothing to sneeze at either. Price as far as console cost. Games are first though. I recall the PS3 being touted as worlds mor epowerful than the 360, but none of the games ever proved it was a huge leap. We saw some impressive titles here and there, but Gears and Halo stood right next to them in graphic quality. Sales both for the system and the games themselves proved that.

 

So I'm fine with the systems specs if they are true provided the price is right and the games continue to be what I like.

shawn30

So you are basically saying that you are fine with xbox as long as its xbox. Thats a nice brand loyality, but I dont get it. I personally would switch sides in no time if next xbox turned out to be the better gaming machine...

[QUOTE="shawn30"]

If all the released specs for the 720 are true and its less powerful than the PS4, I just don't care. I'm sure its plenty more powerful than the 360 times likely 5 or 6, and its also likely to be cheaper than the PS4. 8 gigs off DDR3 ram is nothing to sneeze at either. Price as far as console cost. Games are first though. I recall the PS3 being touted as worlds mor epowerful than the 360, but none of the games ever proved it was a huge leap. We saw some impressive titles here and there, but Gears and Halo stood right next to them in graphic quality. Sales both for the system and the games themselves proved that.

 

So I'm fine with the systems specs if they are true provided the price is right and the games continue to be what I like.

BlbecekBobecek

So you are basically saying that you are fine with xbox as long as its xbox. Thats a nice brand loyality, but I dont get it. I personally would switch sides in no time if next xbox turned out to be the better gaming machine...

[QUOTE="Shielder7"][QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

StrongBlackVine

They can't do that with incurring some massive costs. M$ may have deep pockets, but I doubt they want to lose a lot of money on each sale of the NextBox.

Don't forget that, a month ago, if someone told us that PS4 would end up having 8GB GDDR5, we would call him crazy. It actually happened in many threads ;)

I don't believe it will happen, though.

If the roadmap is correct, the next XBox will use DDR4

[QUOTE="HaloPimp978"]

[QUOTE="CaptainGamespot"]

they will probably rely on good software/features to make up for lack of juice, especially if kinect 2 is packed in every box.

CaptainGamespot

Yep more services and ads right on your dashboard...

it's a good model they worked out somehow.

we pay to see ads.

pubs pay them to show us. premium spots costs more.

God forbid a console tells its users whats available on it :roll: "BAD BAD MICROSOFT FOR HAVING COMMERCIAL COMMON SENSE. MY PLAY BUTTON SIZE IS SO IMPORTANT TO ME :cry:" You people are pathetic.MBirdy88

I don't care for the ads,as long as they give me free online play,on TV you get ads but the programs is free..

And don't bring cable on cable or satelite you pay to get channels which you would not get any other way with an air antenna..

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"] God forbid a console tells its users whats available on it :roll: "BAD BAD MICROSOFT FOR HAVING COMMERCIAL COMMON SENSE. MY PLAY BUTTON SIZE IS SO IMPORTANT TO ME :cry:" You people are pathetic.tormentos

I don't care for the ads,as long as they give me free online play,on TV you get ads but the programs is free..

And don't bring cable on cable or satelite you pay to get channels which you would not get any other way with an air antenna..

They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

ImBatman-

I am still not convinced that GDDR5 RAM is as important as you guys are making out. It's become a silly catch-phrase for y'all the same way Cell was for a while. How did that work out? Not saying there's anything wrong with faster memory (Well, except what it's going to cost Sony) but at the end of the day 8 gigs of memory is 8 gigs of memory. The speed is only an issue if devs find Xbox's memory too slow to do what they want to do and so far I'm unaware of any dev saying that.

The big difference between these consoles, imo, is the GPUs. PS4's is 50% more powerful than what is rumored to be in Durango. It doesn't seem that incredibly difficult to me for MS to simply add 6-8 compute units to theirs at the 11th hour to make their graphics processing as good or possibly even better than the PS4's. That's what I'm hoping they do anyway. Time will tell.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"] God forbid a console tells its users whats available on it :roll: "BAD BAD MICROSOFT FOR HAVING COMMERCIAL COMMON SENSE. MY PLAY BUTTON SIZE IS SO IMPORTANT TO ME :cry:" You people are pathetic.sts106mat

I don't care for the ads,as long as they give me free online play,on TV you get ads but the programs is free..

And don't bring cable on cable or satelite you pay to get channels which you would not get any other way with an air antenna..

[QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

Wickerman777

I am still not convinced that GDDR5 RAM is as important as you guys are making out. It's become a silly catch-phrase for y'all the same way Cell was for a while. How did that work out? Not saying there's anything wrong with faster memory (Well, except what it's going to cost Sony) but at the end of the day 8 gigs of memory is 8 gigs of memory. The speed is only an issue if devs find Xbox's memory too slow to do what they want to do and so far I'm unaware of any dev saying that.

The big difference between these consoles, imo, is the GPUs. PS4's is 50% more powerful than what is rumored to be in Durango. It doesn't seem that incredibly difficult to me for MS to simply add 6-8 compute units to theirs at the 11th hour to make their graphics processing as good or possibly even better than the PS4's. That's what I'm hoping they do anyway. Time will tell.

There was reports that production of the next xbox started back in the fall. So I doubt they will change anything, but really the xbox gpu vs the ps4 gpu is like comparing an AMD 7770 to a slightly overclocked 7850.  the difference between GDDR3 and GDDR5 really wont affect the system as a whole as long as the GDDR3 is suppose to be buffered at 102 GB/s with the ESRAM. As long as the games keep at the 30 fps standard and dont do 3D stereo there wont be massive differences with multiplats.

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

04dcarraher

I am still not convinced that GDDR5 RAM is as important as you guys are making out. It's become a silly catch-phrase for y'all the same way Cell was for a while. How did that work out? Not saying there's anything wrong with faster memory (Well, except what it's going to cost Sony) but at the end of the day 8 gigs of memory is 8 gigs of memory. The speed is only an issue if devs find Xbox's memory too slow to do what they want to do and so far I'm unaware of any dev saying that.

The big difference between these consoles, imo, is the GPUs. PS4's is 50% more powerful than what is rumored to be in Durango. It doesn't seem that incredibly difficult to me for MS to simply add 6-8 compute units to theirs at the 11th hour to make their graphics processing as good or possibly even better than the PS4's. That's what I'm hoping they do anyway. Time will tell.

There was reports that production of the next xbox started back in the fall. So I doubt they will change anything, but really the xbox gpu vs the ps4 gpu is like comparing an AMD 7770 to a slightly overclocked 7850.  the difference between GDDR3 and GDDR5 really wont affect the system as a whole as long as the GDDR3 is suppose to be buffered at 102 GB/s with the ESRAM. As long as the games keep at the 30 fps standard and dont do 3D stereo there wont be massive differences with multiplats.

Yeah, I used the 7770 vs 7850 example earlier in another thread. But you make it seem slight while imo there's a pretty big difference between a 7770 and 7850.

MS are going for the wii market, power isn't all that important, they will stick with the planned wii u equivalent.

They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

ImBatman-

True bu doesnt mean MS wont be able to produce amazing looking games on Xbox 720. Sure there exclusives, like Sony exclusives will look amazing.

Just glad we are now entering the 1080P Native gen DX 11, and we will see more games with 60 FPS, Amazing Particle effects, shadows, AI. Next gen wont be a huge leap but it will be a solid one.

[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="casharmy"]The original xbox...but those days are long gone

:(

casharmy

It was creative, innovative and most of all fun.  Let me put it like this...if M$ re-released Blinx for the 720 I would actually be tempted to buy one!

Blinx was MS's Mario/jak n daxter in quality.  Reviewrs for this game failed it hard but MS also gave up too quick becuase I had just as much fun in Blinx as some of the best mario and jak games.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

 

I am still not convinced that GDDR5 RAM is as important as you guys are making out. It's become a silly catch-phrase for y'all the same way Cell was for a while. How did that work out? Not saying there's anything wrong with faster memory (Well, except what it's going to cost Sony) but at the end of the day 8 gigs of memory is 8 gigs of memory. The speed is only an issue if devs find Xbox's memory too slow to do what they want to do and so far I'm unaware of any dev saying that.

 

The big difference between these consoles, imo, is the GPUs. PS4's is 50% more powerful than what is rumored to be in Durango. It doesn't seem that incredibly difficult to me for MS to simply add 6-8 compute units to theirs at the 11th hour to make their graphics processing as good or possibly even better than the PS4's. That's what I'm hoping they do anyway. Time will tell.

Wickerman777

There was reports that production of the next xbox started back in the fall. So I doubt they will change anything, but really the xbox gpu vs the ps4 gpu is like comparing an AMD 7770 to a slightly overclocked 7850.  the difference between GDDR3 and GDDR5 really wont affect the system as a whole as long as the GDDR3 is suppose to be buffered at 102 GB/s with the ESRAM. As long as the games keep at the 30 fps standard and dont do 3D stereo there wont be massive differences with multiplats.

Yeah, I used the 7770 vs 7850 example earlier in another thread. But you make it seem slight while imo there's a pretty big difference between a 7770 and 7850.

Am I the only one who remembers how the ps2 was a good bit weaker than the Xbox/GC? Yall are actin like the 720 being slightly weaker than the PS4 will make it a failure.Kaszilla

That's expected when one console comes out a year before another. But considering that these consoles are allegedly targeting the same launch window the difference in graphics processing shouldn't be as wide as it is rumored to be.

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

They can't beat 8GB GDDR5 no matter what, so it doesn't matter.

04dcarraher

I am still not convinced that GDDR5 RAM is as important as you guys are making out. It's become a silly catch-phrase for y'all the same way Cell was for a while. How did that work out? Not saying there's anything wrong with faster memory (Well, except what it's going to cost Sony) but at the end of the day 8 gigs of memory is 8 gigs of memory. The speed is only an issue if devs find Xbox's memory too slow to do what they want to do and so far I'm unaware of any dev saying that.

The big difference between these consoles, imo, is the GPUs. PS4's is 50% more powerful than what is rumored to be in Durango. It doesn't seem that incredibly difficult to me for MS to simply add 6-8 compute units to theirs at the 11th hour to make their graphics processing as good or possibly even better than the PS4's. That's what I'm hoping they do anyway. Time will tell.

There was reports that production of the next xbox started back in the fall. So I doubt they will change anything,

Putting 8 gigs of RAM in PS4 instead of 4 was something they did at the last minute. It was so late in the game that it surprised developers. If Sony could make a late change like that than MS should be able to boost the power of their GPU as well if the will is there to do so.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

 

I am still not convinced that GDDR5 RAM is as important as you guys are making out. It's become a silly catch-phrase for y'all the same way Cell was for a while. How did that work out? Not saying there's anything wrong with faster memory (Well, except what it's going to cost Sony) but at the end of the day 8 gigs of memory is 8 gigs of memory. The speed is only an issue if devs find Xbox's memory too slow to do what they want to do and so far I'm unaware of any dev saying that.

 

The big difference between these consoles, imo, is the GPUs. PS4's is 50% more powerful than what is rumored to be in Durango. It doesn't seem that incredibly difficult to me for MS to simply add 6-8 compute units to theirs at the 11th hour to make their graphics processing as good or possibly even better than the PS4's. That's what I'm hoping they do anyway. Time will tell.

Wickerman777

There was reports that production of the next xbox started back in the fall. So I doubt they will change anything,

Putting 8 gigs of RAM in PS4 instead of 4 was something they did at the last minute. It was so late in the game that it surprised developers. If Sony could make a late change like that than MS should be able to boost the power of their GPU as well if the will is there to do so.

MS going the low cost low TDP route to maximize profit and raisng reliability and still make a generation leap from the 360.

[QUOTE="Shielder7"][QUOTE="nextgenjoke"]

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100806053624AAhBxFY

Does more RAM make games load faster?

lol

nextgenjoke

Nope I think it will less powerful than PS4 and they will focus on more casual so power won't be that important to them.

HaloPimp978

---the xboxs power was never used fully , lol ps4 just another wasted oppertunity if 720 is slightly more powerful then wii u 

[QUOTE="Kaszilla"]Am I the only one who remembers how the ps2 was a good bit weaker than the Xbox/GC? Yall are actin like the 720 being slightly weaker than the PS4 will make it a failure.Wickerman777

That's expected when one console comes out a year before another. But considering that these consoles are allegedly targeting the same launch window the difference in graphics processing shouldn't be as wide as it is rumored to be.