MS says "We Are Just Getting Started" Sony Admits-update

I honestly don't care if MS takes over as market leader over Sony. Better for it to be them than fucking Nintendo, who has absolutely no idea how to be a market leader. That's why most 3rd parties don't take Nintendo seriously.

@MarkAndExecute: Is that why 3rd parties don't take Nintendo seriously? Can I ask what exactly that even means?

MS is in a better position than Sony to take more market share. But like Samsung is learning, market share alone is meaningless. It's the money that matters. And MS is the only one able to bleed a little to gain a little.

Sony is so small these days, it's a shadow of its former self. It's kind of pitiful by comparison.

From $500 to $329 within a few months. Thats a DISASTER. What other console has had to do that?

No Sony, didn't slip up, they're right on track as the fastest selling console of all time. Microsoft just blew their load. Will they drop again in 2015? Shit, do they have ANYTHING for 2015? lol long gen lems.

I don't call that extreme at all. In November 50$ off + a game, then for BF, another 20$ off. So that's still not even 20% discount

no. no i don't. and no. no it's not. Tlou and uncharted. that is all.

Yeah, that's probably why the PS4 is shattering records left and right and developers are favoring their system over the others. That explains it lol

Money matters? Is that why Nintendo accrued more than $10 billion in earnings from Wii/DS sales only to blow it off on a tablet that isn't much better than an iPad? Or how MS never made a profit with the first Xbox because they blew so much money trying to oust Sony? You can make all the money in the world but if you don't know how to use/invest it properly then that's meaningless. So many factors come into play, 3rd party developer relations, mindshare, marketshare, perception, etc. If you can't garner the respect of fans or 3rd parties then that equates to lost sales as well revenue flow.

lol...too funny.

So next holiday I will be able to buy an xbox one slim for $200 plus 6 games.

Keep dropping the price and giving free games. That's about the best chance you got.

Its a joke how serious you take yourself....delusional.

@FastRobby: Right......Paying $329 with at least 1 free game instead of $399 is a regular deal. Heck MS and Sony do it every single year!

Nice spin there buddy, shame you're the only one who buys it.

I'm not sure how to respond when you're post here didn't actually address my own. At all. And you make an argument that money doesn't matter because people make bad decisions?

Besides, MS is WAY more in the hole on Surface than they are with the Xbox.

Still doesn't hold a candle to Sony's depressing financial state.

@Desmonic:

I honestly think the last thing Sony wanted was a pricing war. They had a sigh of relief when Microsoft came out at $499 with their launch price at E3.

Stating if it was at $50 lower than the PS4 they couldn't match it.

Microsoft might force their hand into something they didn't want to happen. This is going to get interesting. To say the least.

Another price drop incoming......

You only have Gaf and reddit trolls to thank.

X1's for everyone. It's Christmas. It's a celebration bitches.

I'm seriously happy. I'm not trolling in when I say, I'm glad Sony pushed MS to make these sweeping changes for gen 8, mainly dropping of Kinect.

I'ma also glad that in gen 7 MS pushed SONY to change,

I hope both brands, Xbox and PS stay around for quite a while because it's good for us gamers not only in price of hardware by competition for games.

I'm talking about market share, and then you wanted to change the subject into something about money, because that's easier for you to argue about. I never said market share was the only thing that matters. Of course Nintendo makes bad decisions despite making money. That's why their fanbase continues to dwindle year after year and why the casuals abandoned them, because they don't know how to leverage.

Talk about Sony's financial state until you're blue in the face, whether you like it or not, they're in for the long haul.

@b4x:

They aren't. You keep forgetting that the XB1 is dead outside of the NA and perhaps UK. And it took a shitload of promotions and extreme measures to make sure November didn't go to hell either.

As long as PS4's WW sales keep steady, Sony won't do anything. At this point in time and as things are, we may only get a $50-$100 price drop for the PS4 in late 2015, when the production costs (likely) make up for that (at launch MS made with ~$27 per console -with Kinect- and PS4 made ~$18 per console). Of course things can change, but the likelihood of Sony being forced to do more than offer a couple of better bundles seems unlikely due very much to the WW scenario.

In fact I'd say MS are the ones that forced themselves into not being able to rise the $350 price (it was intended as a limited time promotion) since as we've seen at $399 they can't compete at all.

What did Sony change?

Went back to PC architecture that's easy to develop for instead of their own tech with the cell, which actually hurt mulit platform games and made it hard to develop games for.

Lowered price of launch console by $200

Those are 2 of the biggest things I can think of.

Not to mention not being cocky and thinking they own the industry on past performance and concentrate on the gamers that got you there.

Eh....the Saturn should have taught all console makers to make it dev friendly.

All consoles drop in price over time and once they've met the break even point (except the X1 which is desperate). They didn't drop the price over anything MS was doing. In fact...it took awhile for the price to drop. I know because I wait for price drops.

All businesses are cocky....or they don't stay in business.

Did they also say they were "just getting started" a year ago when they outsold the ps4 once?

Worldwide sales the writings on the wall. Anyone who debates that... has no debate.

The thing is. You can survive on American Sales. It you stay successful here with the 48% consumer buying factor you'll be fine.

World wide... Don't even try to drag me down into that debate. :p

Here's another thing though to think about. Was that price drop premeditated on Microsoft part? A lot of people out there seem to think Microsoft operates in Panic mode. If it was not planed it worked to a tee. 1.2 million feeding frenzy in November.

Here's why I say this. X1 dropped to $399 when they went kinectless. They announced an individual Kinect package for $149.

149+399= $548. Is Microsoft's math off... Or was this planned? I'm going to guess there was a little thought put into this.

Somehow they have tricked the public into thinking they are taking Major losses.. You do the math.

EDIT: You have to ask yourself with those numbers... Was $349 the plan all along?

I'm honestly not seeing these major losses with their pricing strategy so far.

Lol WiiU and Ps4 destoys Xboner, MS gotta work harder than this^^

It was planned in the sense that these prices/bundles would guarantee sales (not necessarily winning, but sales for sure). Now, were they thinking about this when they dropped Kinect? No idea. Maybe yes, maybe not, but either way that reeks of despair on their part. It's not normal for a console to go from $499 to $350 in a year.

Could they live off NA? With the PS4 being very competitive in this market (something that never really happened with the PS3 for example), MS can't rely entirely on NA. Problem being that Europe + Japan are "no sales" zones for them. I mean, I suppose they could "survive" but they would still lose a lot of marketshare on that territory versus the past gen.

I don't think they tricked the public into thinking they are taking major losses, mostly because they likely are :P

Granted we have no current costs of production for either console, but for every single of those 1.2 million sales they didn't take in $50 (this alone = $60.000.000 that MS didn't get) - whatever they had to pay for the 3rd party games in the bundles - $20 on top of that on whatever their sales were on Black Friday.

That's a loooooot of money that MS didn't get this past month. Did they take in losses this past month? Perhaps (they needed the sales and as a company could take it) or perhaps not (the XB1 division is on a tight leash after successive failures of previous consoles and other devices, thus making money was an obligation). We won't know until their earnings report, whenever that comes out.

Do you actually believe MS is comfortable with this move.?

They are losing a truck load of cash trying to stir the public perception that most people want a PS4.

Lets see they make a parade about its sales acting like the console has some kind of momentum when in reality is doesn't it just experiencing a spike because it was from $50 $70 cheaper than the competition,while also giving 2 free games.

Then talk about the xbox one selling more games,when on top of the 2 free games they were giving a $50 dollar gift card which could be invested in another game,basically MS bough its own games for the console it was selling and made a parade about it..

You actually believe MS want the console at that price,as soon as December is over is back to 399.

That the problem the xbox one doesn't have that,and still behind sales wise US alone is not enough to secure MS anything,specially when many games get world wide versions,Fifa selling like shit on xbox one in EU compare to the PS4 will be a testament to that,in sell in Uk decent numbers but outside UK it sink.

The PS4 sold almost that last november with a huge shortage and even that the console started to sell on the 15,and this month 800k vs a console that was basically $120 cheaper with 2 games is a great number specially when the only bundle the PS4 did was for 1 day on black friday the rest of the days of the month it has 399 with no games.

No Dude they are taking a loss on each console sold because Kinect never cost $150 to begin with and no one is buying it,MS did that to inflate the price of kinect and actually get more from those who didn't want kinect if they in the future decide to change.

At $349 they are losing money at $330 in BF they lose even more and those free games which are 3rd parties cost to,specially unity which is a fresh new game.

Oh that without counting that they gave you back $50 of the $330 people were paying,is a sad desperation move which yeah is well coordinate to stir the public perception of people and the press.

Off the top of my head:

• Halo 5
• Fable: Legends
• Quantum Break
• Scalebound
• Crackdown.
• Phantom Dust

No games... LOL. Cows...

Pay attention, everybody - Tormentos is showing you the way on how to create a cow-jelly thread.

Release dates?

I don't think you get it.

@StormyJoe: Fairly sure Crackdown, Scalebound and Phantom Dust won't make it to 2015.

Hopefully QB makes it, but I wouldn't put it past Remedy delaying it once more. Despite making great games it's a studio that usually takes it's sweet time making it's games.

@tormentos:

$149.99 + $349.99 = $499.98

Cost of the Original Skew is what?

Here and here list them as 2015 games.

It is in the holiday season, and definitely on BF

@StormyJoe: How many times were GT5 and TLG (for example) listed as "200X" before they actually released? Yeah, until either MS or the respective studios say something don't take those listings as 100% correct, because as soon as 2015 goes by and they don't release they'll just be re-listed as upcoming 2016 games.

Kinect arrived when the console was $399 so $149+ $399 = $548.

What MS has is a limited offer to spike sales which they have done with the xbox 360 in the last couple of year,make a deal in black friday to spark sales.

Is not a set in stone price.

Just 1 Phantom Dust the rest all of the are either 2016 or TBA with no actual date.

Stormyjoe strikes again..hahaha

He even name crackdown which every one and their moms knows is not a damn 2015 game but the desperation is just so much to make seen like the xbox one has games that they list them any one,another one listed Gears of war but completely forgot Bloodborn and The order he claim the PS4 only had Uncharted and TLOU..hahaha

@FastRobby: Nope.

This is more than momentum. It is a killing blow to Sony.

I am doing Christmas shopping and Xbox Ones are few and far. The Playstaion side of the isle is jamb packed with consoles.

Sony done fucked up . The had the lead and thought false hopes and greatness would keep them there. Doing nothing is what they did.

I am excited for 2015 and what Xbox brings to the table.

It's SKU fyi, not skew. It stands for Stock Keeping Unit.

To answer:

$250 for 360 new thereabouts for HDD models. Cheaper for less gigs, more expensive for more gigs.

You just admitted they're REALLY not losing money here on hardware. Their prices right now at $149+$349 are right back where they started. Right?

So Microsoft giving away 2 free games is no different that Sony giving away two free games.

Going by logic. Where's this $50 dollar loss you guys are talking about?

The $399 Kinectless skew looks more like inflation to me?

Let's have this talk if it could beat the PS4 in Dec. which I seriously doubt.

The X1 marketing campain is brutal though, everything is being advertised as Xbone exclusive.

Thank you Captain Obvious.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2014-12/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar

You think Nov was bad?

This is Nov best sellers list. Compare them in rankings.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2014-11/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar

It wasn't obvious because you didn't know the cost or what a sku was, lol. You asked a question and I answered and provided a link.

That's what I get for taking the time to answer your question? Hmmm. You learn and get information and you resort to name calling? That's rude.

Is your end goal just to get people to ignore you?

@SolidTy: Is your end goal just to get people to ignore you?

No. Thank you for the valuable info. Merry Christmas. As far as Captain Obvious. That's not me calling you a name. I always have called you that.

I'll stop if it offends you.

This is September. How accurate do you think Amazon is when It comes to NPD.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2014-09/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar

Yep.

Lots of X1's where I'm at......stacked in the aisles.