MS will be in a really bad position when they release their next console

For alot of reasons I'll bullet point them for coinvinence and readability

-Lack of quality exclusives: It's no secret that MSes 1st party is the weakest of the 3 and add to that the fact that they pretty much destroyed (rare), sold off (bioware) or failed to secure (epic/bungie) next gen they will be in the weakest position launch lineup wise, and even if they commision games to be made people will be skepticial if they will retain exclusivity will all the timed exclusive deals MS has done in the past

-Reliability concerns: although it's doubtful that MS will repeat the horrible mistakes of the 360s reliability it will still have many people concerend

-It will be stuck between the ps3, nintendos next console and ps4: Nintendos console will launch ealier and have the headstart and core games this time as well as third party support, ps3 will be selling to everyone who wants a reliable system and low price point and it will have the highest install base so devs will cater to it over the next xbox (360 will have died off or lost almost all suport it's already starting to dwindle) and ps4 will come out a little later and probably beat it in raw power, so 360 really won't have much of a market looking at it ps3 and nintendos system will both have higher install base, lower price point, more and better games, and ps4 will come out a little later with more power and probably a better launch line up (unless Sony tries to pull a double gen for ps3)

-Charging for online: alot of people were ignorant to it or thought they wouldn't care about online when they bought a 360 (just went with the one with lower prince point) or in some cases weren't aware that no1 else charged so yeah people won't be too eager to do that again, especially if Nintendo makes a respectable online service and Sony improves psn significantly before bringing it back up

so yeah I'm sure some people will buy the next xbox but I just don't see it appealing to that many people the biggest snag will be the games unless MS gets their act in gear I just don't see them selling much at all next gen, maybe even end up giving up the console buisness

The doc loan you his delorean or something?

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6310586.html?tag=latestheadlines%3Btitle%3B1

Xbox division sales up 60%, 2.4 million more Kinects sold. Xbox 360 sells 2.7 million more units during Jan.-March quarter as Entertainment and Devices division rakes in revenue of $1.94 billion.

Overall, Microsoft saw revenue of $16.43 billion, a year-on-year increase of 13 percent over the same quarter--the third of Microsoft's fiscal year--in 2010. Fiscal third-quarter profits were $5.23 billion, or $0.61 per share

Um looks like there doing pretty good to me

Xbox division sales up 60%, 2.4 million more Kinects sold. Xbox 360 sells 2.7 million more units during Jan.-March quarter as Entertainment and Devices division rakes in revenue of $1.94 billion. Um looks like there doing pretty good to mebigboss5ak

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6310586.html?tag=latestheadlines%3Btitle%3B1

Xbox division sales up 60%, 2.4 million more Kinects sold. Xbox 360 sells 2.7 million more units during Jan.-March quarter as Entertainment and Devices division rakes in revenue of $1.94 billion.

Um looks like there doing pretty good to me

bigboss5ak

this guy put an end to the thread

Charging for online: alot of people were ignorant to it or thought they wouldn't care about online when they bought a 360 (just went with the one with lower prince point) or in some cases weren't aware that no1 else charged so yeah people won't be too eager to do that again, especially if Nintendo makes a respectable online service and Sony improves psn significantly before bringing it back upmomentum_god

i read your stuff TC, most people read the headline and just type:roll:

MS is ok, the lack of exclusives and kinect will affect them in a big way

[QUOTE="momentum_god"]Charging for online: alot of people were ignorant to it or thought they wouldn't care about online when they bought a 360 (just went with the one with lower prince point) or in some cases weren't aware that no1 else charged so yeah people won't be too eager to do that again, especially if Nintendo makes a respectable online service and Sony improves psn significantly before bringing it back upMrSelf-Destruct

i read your stuff TC, most people read the headline and just type:roll:

MS is ok, the lack of exclusives and kinect will affect them in a big way

eboyishere

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="momentum_god"]Charging for online: alot of people were ignorant to it or thought they wouldn't care about online when they bought a 360 (just went with the one with lower prince point) or in some cases weren't aware that no1 else charged so yeah people won't be too eager to do that again, especially if Nintendo makes a respectable online service and Sony improves psn significantly before bringing it back upmomentum_god

MS will be in fantastic position.

They will have a monoploy on online gaming in the console market like they do right now and online will play an even bigger role next gen.

MS will be releasing a console with a huge userbase to support them.

They will have Kinect and hopefully 5-6 core franchises to attract both audiences.

MS money

MS probably wants the next gen to start ASAP, but considering how the 360 is now printing money they have no reason to hurry up.

op, your post is based on groundless assumptions... for example: there is no way ms would have a repeat after the RROD fiasco- it really hurt their profits... and i mean really. if anything, their console will be the most reliable next gen simply because their quality control is going to be ridiculous for fear of another RROD type issue.

op, your post is based on groundless assumptions...Scoob64

[QUOTE="Scoob64"]op, your post is based on groundless assumptions...MrSelf-Destruct

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="Scoob64"]op, your post is based on groundless assumptions...soulitane

hehe- apparently ^_^

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="Scoob64"]op, your post is based on groundless assumptions...soulitane

Jesus you really love Sony.

I bet if you met President of Sony you'd go down on him in a heartbeat.

What if they just do the same thing they did this gen? Third party exclusives.soulitane

op, your post is based on groundless assumptions... for example: there is no way ms would have a repeat after the RROD fiasco- it really hurt their profits... and i mean really. if anything, their console will be the most reliable next gen simply because their quality control is going to be ridiculous for fear of another RROD type issue.

Scoob64

[QUOTE="soulitane"]What if they just do the same thing they did this gen? Third party exclusives.momentum_god

OP is what someone would expect to have an influence. But I've learned from the previous generations that when new systems launch, people consider those new systems as completely seperate from previous systems.
So nothing that happens this generation has any sort of noticable effect on the next. It really depends solely on what everyone brings to the table next gen.

For alot of reasons I'll bullet point them for coinvinence and readability

-Lack of quality exclusives: It's no secret that MSes 1st party is the weakest of the 3 and add to that the fact that they pretty much destroyed (rare), sold off (bioware) or failed to secure (epic/bungie) next gen they will be in the weakest position launch lineup wise, and even if they commision games to be made people will be skepticial if they will retain exclusivity will all the timed exclusive deals MS has done in the past

-Reliability concerns: although it's doubtful that MS will repeat the horrible mistakes of the 360s reliability it will still have many people concerend

-It will be stuck between the ps3, nintendos next console and ps4: Nintendos console will launch ealier and have the headstart and core games this time as well as third party support, ps3 will be selling to everyone who wants a reliable system and low price point and it will have the highest install base so devs will cater to it over the next xbox (360 will have died off or lost almost all suport it's already starting to dwindle) and ps4 will come out a little later and probably beat it in raw power, so 360 really won't have much of a market looking at it ps3 and nintendos system will both have higher install base, lower price point, more and better games, and ps4 will come out a little later with more power and probably a better launch line up (unless Sony tries to pull a double gen for ps3)

-Charging for online: alot of people were ignorant to it or thought they wouldn't care about online when they bought a 360 (just went with the one with lower prince point) or in some cases weren't aware that no1 else charged so yeah people won't be too eager to do that again, especially if Nintendo makes a respectable online service and Sony improves psn significantly before bringing it back up

so yeah I'm sure some people will buy the next xbox but I just don't see it appealing to that many people the biggest snag will be the games unless MS gets their act in gear I just don't see them selling much at all next gen, maybe even end up giving up the console buisness

momentum_god

-Lack of exclusives doesn't have much sway, so you lose on 5 games, all the important ones are multiplatform anyways. Plus Sony won't have their next generation console out for a few more years after that, so they will all look outdated and not be GK anymore.

-Since the xbox slim is wokring flawlessly without RROD, quality concerns are done.

-They charge for online now.. and its a sucess. So how is this any different?

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="soulitane"]What if they just do the same thing they did this gen? Third party exclusives.soulitane

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="momentum_god"] Nintendos next console and ps3 will have too much of an install base for MS for them to have the third party support they need for it to be a draw to their console, they can pay a few but frankly it's not going to be much more then a handful of mediocre titles considering all the talent will be going multiplat because thats where the money is (ironically it's because of MS that 3rd party exclusives are dying off) and people will be skeptical it might get ported later, it would help but MS needs to do more momentum_god

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="soulitane"] So do you have any facts to back up why the other two will have a bigger install base? Pretty much all you said was just one big assumption, some facts would be nice.soulitane

OP is what someone would expect to have an influence. But I've learned from the previous generations that when new systems launch, people consider those new systems as completely seperate from previous systems.
So nothing that happens this generation has any sort of noticable effect on the next. It really depends solely on what everyone brings to the table next gen.

KungfuKitten

[QUOTE="momentum_god"]

For alot of reasons I'll bullet point them for coinvinence and readability

-Lack of quality exclusives: It's no secret that MSes 1st party is the weakest of the 3 and add to that the fact that they pretty much destroyed (rare), sold off (bioware) or failed to secure (epic/bungie) next gen they will be in the weakest position launch lineup wise, and even if they commision games to be made people will be skepticial if they will retain exclusivity will all the timed exclusive deals MS has done in the past

-Reliability concerns: although it's doubtful that MS will repeat the horrible mistakes of the 360s reliability it will still have many people concerend

-It will be stuck between the ps3, nintendos next console and ps4: Nintendos console will launch ealier and have the headstart and core games this time as well as third party support, ps3 will be selling to everyone who wants a reliable system and low price point and it will have the highest install base so devs will cater to it over the next xbox (360 will have died off or lost almost all suport it's already starting to dwindle) and ps4 will come out a little later and probably beat it in raw power, so 360 really won't have much of a market looking at it ps3 and nintendos system will both have higher install base, lower price point, more and better games, and ps4 will come out a little later with more power and probably a better launch line up (unless Sony tries to pull a double gen for ps3)

-Charging for online: alot of people were ignorant to it or thought they wouldn't care about online when they bought a 360 (just went with the one with lower prince point) or in some cases weren't aware that no1 else charged so yeah people won't be too eager to do that again, especially if Nintendo makes a respectable online service and Sony improves psn significantly before bringing it back up

so yeah I'm sure some people will buy the next xbox but I just don't see it appealing to that many people the biggest snag will be the games unless MS gets their act in gear I just don't see them selling much at all next gen, maybe even end up giving up the console buisness

Phazevariance

-Lack of exclusives doesn't have much sway, so you lose on 5 games, all the important ones are multiplatform anyways. Plus Sony won't have their next generation console out for a few more years after that, so they will all look outdated and not be GK anymore.

-Since the xbox slim is wokring flawlessly without RROD, quality concerns are done.

-They charge for online now.. and its a sucess. So how is this any different?

-No1 buys a system for multiplats unless it's cheaper and Nintendos console and ps3 will beat it in price

-for the 360 not for a new system

-last gen was single player heavy alot of people didn't think they'd need multiplayer or didn't realize they charged or thought the others charged and by the time those facts became known to the average joe all their friends already had a 360, without the install base already in the new console it will fail, and it will make people not want to get it especially if Nintendos console is cheaper and has comparable online

Honestly, you can't predict this industry. You could argue many scenarious & it could go the other way to any of the 3 companies.

I could claim similiar doom & gloom about Sony's future in relation to the online infrastructure collaps & the impact of lack of trust it brought & then only to find out it didn't matter much & they ended up #1 next gen.

If Nintendo taught us anything this gen, it would be this industry is really unpredictable when it comes who's going to be in what position next gen.

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

OP is what someone would expect to have an influence. But I've learned from the previous generations that when new systems launch, people consider those new systems as completely seperate from previous systems.
So nothing that happens this generation has any sort of noticable effect on the next. It really depends solely on what everyone brings to the table next gen.

momentum_god

Pretty sure sony is not going to be a factor next gen. Hopefully soon they won't be a factor at all.

MS will be fine, as they are, Nintendo will also be fine, and they do.

honestly, you can't predict this industry.Mystery_Writer

Pretty sure sony is not going to be a factor next gen. Hopefully soon they won't be a factor at all.

MS will be fine, as they are, Nintendo will also be fine, and they do.

Andrew_Xavier

honestly, you can't predict this industry.Mystery_Writer

this

tho i feel ninty will be in charge for a nice majority...not just because of the first 2 years out of the gate

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

Pretty sure sony is not going to be a factor next gen. Hopefully soon they won't be a factor at all.

MS will be fine, as they are, Nintendo will also be fine, and they do.

momentum_god

[QUOTE="momentum_god"]

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

Pretty sure sony is not going to be a factor next gen. Hopefully soon they won't be a factor at all.

MS will be fine, as they are, Nintendo will also be fine, and they do.

Andrew_Xavier

[QUOTE="Scoob64"]op, your post is based on groundless assumptions...MrSelf-Destruct

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"] They usually are which is why no one took him seriously to begin with. Ilikemyname420

Just like Sony, MS has quite a few ip's they could re-invent. The problem is they need more dedicated dev teams to make great games in general and certainly more fresh ideas for new ip's. This gen, they introduced Gears, ME, and Alan Wake. But all 3 are owned by 3rd party devs and besides already losing ME, they are at risk of losing more in time. They need to form their own dev teams or get some promising new dev teams to sign onto produce exclusively forMS systems with MS owning the rights to the series'. If they don't start acquiring stronger 1st party offerings, they could be in trouble but MS has more than enough time and money to change things if they've learned anything from this gen so far.

Just like Sony, MS has quite a few ip's they could re-invent. The problem is they need more dedicated dev teams to make great games in general and certainly more fresh ideas for new ip's. This gen, they introduced Gears, ME, and Alan Wake. But all 3 are owned by 3rd party devs and besides already losing ME, they are at risk of losing more in time. They need to form their own dev teams or get some promising new dev teams to sign onto produce exclusively forMS systems with MS owning the rights to the series'. If they don't start acquiring stronger 1st party offerings, they could be in trouble but MS has more than enough time and money to change things if they've learned anything from this gen so far.

Poncho_Hachacha

Bla bla bla...

If people bothered to rebuy xbox's over and over with the RROD then i guess they have quite a fanbase there.

Then you add to the fact that it already has a solid and established online userbase and i guess for patriotic reasons it's mandatory to have it if you're american and i'm pretty sure that xbox is here to stay.

Honestly i don't believe in it's demise any time soon.