NRA condemns games in wake of Connecticut shooting

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#1 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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And so the onslaught just keeps coming towards video games. Another shooting and another case to blame our beloved hobby.I know a lot of threads similarly have been made but gamers need to be made aware of how much flak the industry is getting

"National Rifle Association vice president Wayne LaPierre says violent video games like Bulletstorm and Mortal Kombat partially to blame for last week's deadly shooting in Connecticut."

I'm getting pretty sick of this crap, they always try to blame everything else except the real cause. They downplay stuff like mental health and go on a vendetta against video games. Seems like they have underlying problems with violence in games and use these tragedies to target gaming.

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#2 freedomfreak
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A lot of blah blah blah. Scapegoating. Just scapegoating.
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#4 R4gn4r0k
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Stupid video games, always killing people.

When will they stop it ?

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the more and more video games are to blame for the Connecticut Shooting, the more I think the murderer never played Video Games.

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A lot of blah blah blah. Scapegoating. Just scapegoating.freedomfreak

Yup...

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A lot of blah blah blah. Scapegoating. Just scapegoating.freedomfreak

That's basically all it is

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#9 kozzy1234
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Makes me feel sick how some of the world can think that games or movies are responbile for these kinds of issues.

The problem for me is two things, way to easy to get guns and its not easy enough for people with mental issues to get help. I think if they can WORK on those two things we would have slightly less of this kind of big violence happening.

I don't recall any videogame or movies in 25+ years of gaming making me feel like I should go shoot random people or kids, not even close. In fact the exact opposite, games and movies are relaxing.

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#10 CanYouDiglt
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I do not think games are the only problem but I do think games are part of the problem. If all media has no moral balance what do you expect? Music, movies, TV, news, comic books, novels, and yes games are filled with violence, sex, cursing,ect. Children are only exposed to the worst in all of media. I will give a example when I was growing up Facts of Life had a episode that was about premarital sex. The episode was about Natalie and she was with her boyfriend for at least a year. It was a major episode where the two sat down to talk about it and it was not a easy choice. Can you name any show now that would have a show about premarital sex be a big deal? Hell MTV which aims towards a younger audience and it shows sex left and right. Violence is just as bad if not worse. GTA is not even extreme anymore and that says a lot. When GTA first came out just being able to carjack anyone or beat up anyone was just insane but now it is nothing.

If anytime a person read a book, watches a movie, plays a game, watches the news, ect and that is the norm for them what do you expect. We live in a culture that caters to the worst.

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You know whats to blame NRA leader? your country and the fact that the killer didnt even need to leave his own house to get guns. f*** US logic.
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#12 CanYouDiglt
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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]You know whats to blame NRA leader? your country and the fact that the killer didnt even need to leave his own house to get guns. f*** US logic.

Dumbass! No seriously you really are a idiot.
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#14 The_Game21x
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Gotta love that good old conservative scapegoating!

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#15 Saladin__7
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If a mentally ill person or even a person of 'easy persuasion' is surrounded by violent media all the time, yeah, it will be noted as an influence.
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[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"]You know whats to blame NRA leader? your country and the fact that the killer didnt even need to leave his own house to get guns. f*** US logic.

Dumbass! No seriously you really are a idiot.

"Yeehaw dont touch my guns" amarite? Calls me an idiot, doesn't understand that competitive violence, sex and anything in between is a natural part of our species and is hardly being "catered to the lowest" given our civilization's difference to much worse examples. Media means practically NOTHING in this situation. Its all about the mind of the killer, whatever predatory instinct is there to do it has nothing to do with watching TV, listening to Music or Playing games. I don't know what violent things you watch, listen to or play that suggests killing children is fun.... Im pretty sure I've never come across it. Too bad he shot his mom with her own gun then went out with them.
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Dumbass! No seriously you really are a idiot.CanYouDiglt

Says the guy that just connected premarital sex to a school shooting.

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[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]Dumbass! No seriously you really are a idiot.agpickle

Says the guy that just connected premarital sex to a school shooting.

Having guns in the house isnt the problem chaps! its breeding, the sin of all sins!
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#19 Trinitarian
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oh wow, i can kill people with my game? *turns on xbox* pops in GTAIV* reaches for a M16 to go on a murder spree from the screen* Hey what the hell guys? I cant pull any guns from my TV whats going on? ---NRA is a complete joke. People have been snapping and killing people long before video games were ever thought of. Hell, read the bible, when jesus was born that ruler killed all the new born babies trying to get jesus. And, in the story of Moses, the pharo killed all the young boys. Was video games to blame for that?
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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"]You know whats to blame NRA leader? your country and the fact that the killer didnt even need to leave his own house to get guns. f*** US logic.

Dumbass! No seriously you really are a idiot.

"Yeehaw dont touch my guns" amarite? Calls me an idiot, doesn't understand that competitive violence, sex and anything in between is a natural part of our species and is hardly being "catered to the lowest" given our civilization's difference to much worse examples. Media means practically NOTHING in this situation. Its all about the mind of the killer, whatever predatory instinct is there to do it has nothing to do with watching TV, listening to Music or Playing games. I don't know what violent things you watch, listen to or play that suggests killing children is fun.... Im pretty sure I've never come across it. Too bad he shot his mom with her own gun then went out with them.

I am guessing you are pretty young just reading what you have already wrote so it is not worth my time debating. I am at least giving the benefit of doubt that you are young because if not then you are just facepalm stupid.
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The guy is an idiot. Sadly the media isn't going to let the video game industry defend itself.

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[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]Dumbass! No seriously you really are a idiot.agpickle

Says the guy that just connected premarital sex to a school shooting.

Why delete 80% of my post? My original post said moral balance in general. You also deleted the part I even mentioned violence.
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#23 Jankarcop
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lol real classic, comming from the NRA ..the root of this problem.

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[QUOTE="agpickle"]

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]Dumbass! No seriously you really are a idiot.CanYouDiglt

Says the guy that just connected premarital sex to a school shooting.

Why delete 80% of my post? My original post said moral balance in general. You also deleted the part I even mentioned violence.

You offer me no rebutal, just saying stupid and something about my age. What is wrong with premarital sex? are you a christian, if so I will stop argueing now, because you are a lost cause on this planet,
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One of the killers favorite games was Mario, so unless he went in there throwing turtle shells I do not see the conncection.

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Don't you all understand, guns don't kill people, video games do! *sigh* Wasn't it Starcraft this nutjob was playing?
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Wait so ban video games, but not auto-rifles which are meant for war..

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#28 CanYouDiglt
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[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"][QUOTE="agpickle"]

Says the guy that just connected premarital sex to a school shooting.

MBirdy88

Why delete 80% of my post? My original post said moral balance in general. You also deleted the part I even mentioned violence.

You offer me no rebutal, just saying stupid and something about my age. What is wrong with premarital sex? are you a christian, if so I will stop argueing now, because you are a lost cause on this planet,

I already replied to your post and what I said was you seem to be very young just judging by your responses so I would rather not involve myself in some debate with you.

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Wait so ban video games, but not auto-rifles which are meant for war..

Jankarcop
Gotta defend our homes... from..... people with guns.... who can just as easily obtain those guns.... SPROINK!
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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]Why delete 80% of my post? My original post said moral balance in general. You also deleted the part I even mentioned violence. CanYouDiglt
You offer me no rebutal, just saying stupid and something about my age. What is wrong with premarital sex? are you a christian, if so I will stop argueing now, because you are a lost cause on this planet,

I already replied to your post and what I said was you seem to be very young just judging by your responses so I would rather not invilve myself in some debate with you.

I said exactly what the other guy said in more detail, you offer nothing, I am mid 20s. either explain why I am an idiot, or get the hell out.
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They need to rework the gun-control laws. The individual had access to legally obtained firearms. With harder access, he would have had a much harder time, which potentially could have saved the lives of those children. Firearms have advanced a great deal between 1791 and today (though they do have more up-to-date policies).

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I was watching this guy on the news live as he was giving this speech, and after a while i could tell he was just building up to "what we really need are MORE guns in schools, in the hands of 'good guys'" well that sounds like a much better idea than actually trying to get rid of the few that make it there in the hands of lunatics :roll:

Yeah its all very good trying to make video games the scapegoat and cherry-picking a few titles you think will get the ignorant people on your side but unfortunately video games (violent ones included) are mighty popular in countries other than America. Yet funnily enough gun crime is waaaay higher in the US, hmm i wonder why that could be..........

_64891158_gun_deaths_dev_countries_464.g

Yeah you could ban all violent video games from retail, but there'd still be millions of guns in the US potentially in the hands of the mentally ill, who will then just move on to blaming something else like movies, until we get to a point where we're essentially just re-enacting the movie Equilibrium...with the US still full of guns.

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Guns don't kill people! People do! (and Video Games, Rock 'n Roll, Movies, Punk Music, Hip Hop, Sex, lack of Sex, Religion, Lack of Religion, Fox News, MSNBC, Communists, Nazis, Racists, Pornography, the Internet, Lack of Health Care, Prescription Drugs, Illegal Drugs, Alcohol, The Nanny State, School Food, Liberals, Conservatives, Lawyers, Politician, College Professors, Stalkers, Perverts, Thugs, Bullies....) but not guns! the hypocrisy is just stunning.
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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"] You offer me no rebutal, just saying stupid and something about my age. What is wrong with premarital sex? are you a christian, if so I will stop argueing now, because you are a lost cause on this planet,

I already replied to your post and what I said was you seem to be very young just judging by your responses so I would rather not invilve myself in some debate with you.

I said exactly what the other guy said in more detail, you offer nothing, I am mid 20s. either explain why I am an idiot, or get the hell out.

Well just in general the things you say. I will give a example with blaming a entire country though Attempted genocide happens all the time in Africa Riots all over Europe The horrors of Sharia Law all over Middle East Censorship enforced by the governments in China and Eastern Europe I could go on in more detail in each area with far more. You just sound like a immature child with the hate on a nation. Also another thing if you have the balls to bash America at least have the same amount to say where you are from.
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As a member of the NRA myself, I should staee that not everyone in the organization agrees with it. The NRA is really like "insurance" to myself and other gun owners, we are glad it exists as it stops the anti-gun loonies from trampiling over our 2nd amendment rights. But the NRA often does a lot more harm than it should, contrary to some myths, most gun owners do support some gun control measures.

The NRA is using a scape goat, lot's of people are. Some people are going to blame guns, some are going to blame games, in the end we need to look at the overall picture and stop pointing fingers. I will post the gun control measures I would like to see implemented in my blog later, but as of right now we should try to find the root of the issue.

The blame game get's us no where.

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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]I already replied to your post and what I said was you seem to be very young just judging by your responses so I would rather not invilve myself in some debate with you.CanYouDiglt
I said exactly what the other guy said in more detail, you offer nothing, I am mid 20s. either explain why I am an idiot, or get the hell out.

Well just in general the things you say. I will give a example with blaming a entire country though Attempted genocide happens all the time in Africa Riots all over Europe The horrors of Sharia Law all over Middle East Censorship enforced by the governments in China and Eastern Europe I could go on in more detail in each area with far more. You just sound like a immature child with the hate on a nation. Also another thing if you have the balls to bash America at least have the same amount to say where you are from.

Oh a patrionic loon that took something I said far too out of context. very nicely done, but mate, your country allows civilians to hold guns. Are you going to be one of those "mature apologists" who claims that "he would of got guns anyway" and pretend the very fact that guns were available, in reach, in touch in his very own home didn't have any influence over his decision to act there and then or *plan* to use them at easy conveniance (at least, if guns were illegally obtained he would have the risk of them being found beforehand and any other inherent risks). No, instead he knew where they were, when to get them, did his parents buy those guns to protect them from aliens, terrorists, robbers and red coats? well, ironic it ended the lives of many children. THAT is your countries decision and its consequences, I don't hate the U.S and nowhere in my post did I suggest such a thing. jesus christ.
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I do agree that mainstream games cause to a certain extent violence in people, but it's when united with other violent mainstream medias that this happens.

A way to resolve this is to simply play indie games, since they don't glorify violence.

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As a member of the NRA I am ashamed of today's speech, but they also said that there needs to be more security at schools.

We have security at the airport, sporting events, but don't have any at the schools our children go to which are mandatory to attend by the way. I don't agree with the NRA's view of videogames but I do agree with the overall message which is guns are not the problem. Just like videogames are not the problem.

kuu2

I also agree with the NRA's stance that we need security in schools, that is just common sense.

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The real people who should be blamed are the news and media. Turning this guy into an anti-hero and making him the centre of the contraversy rather than focusing on the families. Now others will see it and go "He got his name and face spread all over the world for doing this" and they will go do it themselves for the same fame.

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[QUOTE="kuu2"]

As a member of the NRA I am ashamed of today's speech, but they also said that there needs to be more security at schools.

We have security at the airport, sporting events, but don't have any at the schools our children go to which are mandatory to attend by the way. I don't agree with the NRA's view of videogames but I do agree with the overall message which is guns are not the problem. Just like videogames are not the problem.

ShadowMoses900

I also agree with the NRA's stance that we need security in schools, that is just common sense.

More security I agree with. Putting guns on those people though is not a good idea. Fighting guns with more guns is not the answer

Also weren't the doors locked on the school and the dude shot an entrance into the school?

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#42 Snugenz
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They said that the gunman had some sort of mental issues. I would say the exactly same thing for those NRA f@ggots.

GamerwillzPS

I never thought i'd say this to you but... well said :D

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[QUOTE="kuu2"]

As a member of the NRA I am ashamed of today's speech, but they also said that there needs to be more security at schools.

We have security at the airport, sporting events, but don't have any at the schools our children go to which are mandatory to attend by the way. I don't agree with the NRA's view of videogames but I do agree with the overall message which is guns are not the problem. Just like videogames are not the problem.

ShadowMoses900

I also agree with the NRA's stance that we need security in schools, that is just common sense.

Armed security? the chance that a kid may obtain a firearm in school by security mistakes (aka leaving a gun unatended), so killers will go to the mall and shoot instead, or wherever else you can imagine that is currently "unarmed". Whats next? every single civilian building has armed protection? You see the vicious circle in all this right?
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#44 CanYouDiglt
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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"] I said exactly what the other guy said in more detail, you offer nothing, I am mid 20s. either explain why I am an idiot, or get the hell out.

Well just in general the things you say. I will give a example with blaming a entire country though Attempted genocide happens all the time in Africa Riots all over Europe The horrors of Sharia Law all over Middle East Censorship enforced by the governments in China and Eastern Europe I could go on in more detail in each area with far more. You just sound like a immature child with the hate on a nation. Also another thing if you have the balls to bash America at least have the same amount to say where you are from.

Oh a patrionic loon that took something I said far too out of context. very nicely done, but mate, your country allows civilians to hold guns. Are you going to be one of those "mature apologists" who claims that "he would of got guns anyway" and pretend the very fact that guns were available, in reach, in touch in his very own home didn't have any influence over his decision to act there and then or *plan* to use them at easy conveniance (at least, if guns were illegally obtained he would have the risk of them being found beforehand and any other inherent risks). No, instead he knew where they were, when to get them, did his parents buy those guns to protect them from aliens, terrorists, robbers and red coats? well, ironic it ended the lives of many children. THAT is your countries decision and its consequences, I don't hate the U.S and nowhere in my post did I suggest such a thing. jesus christ.

I can not take anyone serious that bashes a country (any country) and afraid to say where they live because they know faults can be pointed out where they live. Beyond that you still sound pretty young. You can reply if you want but really not worth my time talking to you.
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#45 nintendoman562
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Let's pretend that video games actually induce violence for the following scenarios.

Ban Video games: shootings can still occur due to other factors.

Ban guns: no more shootings.

Which would be the better thing to ban?

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NRA lol.
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#47 DerekLoffin
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As a member of the NRA I am ashamed of today's speech, but they also said that there needs to be more security at schools.

We have security at the airport, sporting events, but don't have any at the schools our children go to which are mandatory to attend by the way. I don't agree with the NRA's view of videogames but I do agree with the overall message which is guns are not the problem. Just like videogames are not the problem.

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That suggestion isn't terrible, but it suffers from serious practical problems. Schools are already often underfunded, or just getting by, and you know the security position at best is going to be filled by some minimum wage guy with a training program that is likely a joke. Plus, once the next funding crunch hits, guess who's on the short list for downsizing. And that doesn't even deal with the issue that these shootings are not confined to schools. There is malls, temples, theatres... you just can't protect them all. If one target becomes hard, you'll probably see the nutjobs just choose a different target. I don't really know the solution myself. The US has a number of problems leading to this situation, the proliferation of guns being just one of those, but also has a terrible track record for dealing with these things remotely properly so even if some kind of weapons ban is put in place, I'm practically certain it will be done half heartedly and thus stupidly. The thing I probably would like to see most myself is simply more accountability. Your weapon goes missing, you lose the right to have any more. You leave your weapon in the open and a kid kills himself with it, you are in serious trouble. And so on. The responsible guys aren't the problem, it's the irresponsible people that annoy me. That and some of the more obvious loop holes in the system (like the straw buyer loop hole, and the gun show loop hole) should be dealt with and that just might be something reasonable without going the ban route which probably isn't going to work in the long run.
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#48 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="kuu2"]

As a member of the NRA I am ashamed of today's speech, but they also said that there needs to be more security at schools.

We have security at the airport, sporting events, but don't have any at the schools our children go to which are mandatory to attend by the way. I don't agree with the NRA's view of videogames but I do agree with the overall message which is guns are not the problem. Just like videogames are not the problem.

seanmcloughlin

I also agree with the NRA's stance that we need security in schools, that is just common sense.

More security I agree with. Putting guns on those people though is not a good idea. Fighting guns with more guns is not the answer

Also weren't the doors locked on the school and the dude shot an entrance into the school?

Security without guns is pointless. I conceal carry, trust me you need a gun to fight back against an attacker with a gun. They target places where there are no guns, schools, hospitals, theaters etc....they know the others are defensless. If people there did have guns the criminals wouldn't do it.

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#49 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"] Well just in general the things you say. I will give a example with blaming a entire country though Attempted genocide happens all the time in Africa Riots all over Europe The horrors of Sharia Law all over Middle East Censorship enforced by the governments in China and Eastern Europe I could go on in more detail in each area with far more. You just sound like a immature child with the hate on a nation. Also another thing if you have the balls to bash America at least have the same amount to say where you are from.CanYouDiglt
Oh a patrionic loon that took something I said far too out of context. very nicely done, but mate, your country allows civilians to hold guns. Are you going to be one of those "mature apologists" who claims that "he would of got guns anyway" and pretend the very fact that guns were available, in reach, in touch in his very own home didn't have any influence over his decision to act there and then or *plan* to use them at easy conveniance (at least, if guns were illegally obtained he would have the risk of them being found beforehand and any other inherent risks). No, instead he knew where they were, when to get them, did his parents buy those guns to protect them from aliens, terrorists, robbers and red coats? well, ironic it ended the lives of many children. THAT is your countries decision and its consequences, I don't hate the U.S and nowhere in my post did I suggest such a thing. jesus christ.

I can not take anyone serious that bashes a country (any country) and afraid to say where they live because they know faults can be pointed out where they live. Beyond that you still sound pretty young. You can reply if you want but really not worth my time talking to you.

Don't waste your time bro, he's not worth it.

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#50 Wanderer5
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Scapegoating FTL.