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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
I know the law, but if someone is assaulting me I'm going to kill them. It is allowed in my state. Look up "Castle Doctrine" every state should adopt this policy IMO, Flordia and Utah have the best models for it.
lundy86_4
On what grounds? It's not as simple as "they attacked me", as there are varying degrees of severity. Use of deadly force is not authorized unless you are in serious danger or a potentially life-threatening situation. The Castle Doctrine is strictly limited to one's abode or potentially your vehicle/place of work, which has just been arbitrarily stated by yourself. Self defense in one's home, was not being discussed. Also, the Castle Doctrine strictly stipulates that use of deadly force is permittable only when you are in a potentially life-threatening situation.
If your state has a different definition for the Castle Doctrine, by all means, directly quote it.
It's the same for all conceal carry laws, only to be used in case of an attack that is either life threatening or in immediate danger. If one simply punches you it's not allowed to kill them, if it is a continuous assault than it is. Like the guy who got pushed down, he shot the two attackers but it was allowed. Most courts favor the person who conceal carries, though you are right that it has to be the appropraite situationn and an investigation is ultimately what determines it.
Flordia has a different Castle Doctrine where it applies to your body as well. It extends beyond the home. This is something that ALL states should follow.
It's the same for all conceal carry laws, only to be used in case of an attack that is either life threatening or in immediate danger. If one simply punches you it's not allowed to kill them, if it is a continuous assault than it is. Like the guy who got pushed down, he shot the two attackers but it was allowed. Most courts favor the person who conceal carries, though you are right that it has to be the appropraite situationn and an investigation is ultimately what determines it.
Flordia has a different Castle Doctrine where it applies to your body as well. It extends beyond the home. This is something that ALL states should follow.
ShadowMoses900
I'd need direct law quotes regarding what is defined as necessary for deadly-force. As ti stands, you seemed to have changed your initial stance:
I know the law, but if someone is assaulting me I'm going to kill them. It is allowed in my state. Look up "Castle Doctrine" every state should adopt this policy IMO, Flordia and Utah have the best models for it.
ShadowMoses900
Assualt, under the law, contains a great many degrees of severity. Heck, unwantwed touching, in any way, can be classified as assualt (though there is no guarantee of prosecution).
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It seems, through further debate, it's not as simple as "if they attempt to assualt me, I will kill them."
I played some Mario Kart yesterday.
Now I'm going to go to an elementary school and toss banana peels all over the floor and toss turtles at kids.
DAMN YOU VIDEO GAMES FOR TURNING ME INTO THIS MONSTER!
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
It's the same for all conceal carry laws, only to be used in case of an attack that is either life threatening or in immediate danger. If one simply punches you it's not allowed to kill them, if it is a continuous assault than it is. Like the guy who got pushed down, he shot the two attackers but it was allowed. Most courts favor the person who conceal carries, though you are right that it has to be the appropraite situationn and an investigation is ultimately what determines it.
Flordia has a different Castle Doctrine where it applies to your body as well. It extends beyond the home. This is something that ALL states should follow.
lundy86_4
I'd need direct law quotes regarding what is defined as necessary for deadly-force. As ti stands, you seemed to have changed your initial stance:
I know the law, but if someone is assaulting me I'm going to kill them. It is allowed in my state. Look up "Castle Doctrine" every state should adopt this policy IMO, Flordia and Utah have the best models for it.
ShadowMoses900
Assualt, under the law, contains a great many degrees of severity. Heck, unwantwed touching, in any way, can be classified as assualt (though there is no guarantee of prosecution).
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It seems, through further debate, it's not as simple as "if they attempt to assualt me, I will kill them."
I have my conceal carry book at my house, I will send it to you later in a message when I get home. I tried to find the exact writing for it on Google but it's written in lawyer language so it's hard to understand. But the basics of what constitutes an attack that would be allowed to draw your weapon is if it's a direct attack (as in they are purposely assaulting you), whether they have a weapon or not (it's done by a case by case basis, especailly without a weapon, but generally it's allowed), and if you had an ability to get away or not.
You can read this to understand it better, though this does not apply to every state (there are only 4 states that have no conceal carry, they are also the most dangerous). Everyone that conceal carries has to learn these laws.
Handgunlaw.us
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Without a gun you are already in the victim category. You have no power to defend yourself against an attacker.dommeusJesus Christ. It must be horrible where you live. If he's American, as I am, no. Americans just luv der gunz, though!
Lets see, another school shooting another game of "place the balme for the overall incompetence" right I get ya, sad that there have never been a study that ever showed that games makes people afressive or violent, well atleast not more then driving a car or sitting in a waiting room, but you know, easy scapegoats are good for removing the focus.
This is pretty clear, sofar there have been a lot of shootings in the later years, most can be contributed to the facts we know, malajusted people, broken down school systems that does not have time or resources to spend teaching every person about morals and ethics, aswell as the lack of the healthcare options to spot people with mental problems.
In truth Patents should watch over thier children, but the US is afraid to place that blame, it is the parents job to teach ethics, to judge if thier children are allright and thriving. When they fail, the blame gets tossed round.
Lets say that Oh Idunno, the lack of connection between people nowadays might be a cause, how people are MUCH more likely to be isolated, how communities don't really give a damn about eachother.
Instead of considering in the communities and states we live in are healthy to begin with and start SPENDING so much money that you would'nt belive on correcting alot of these errors, we won't see the end of this, but rather we have households, where parents and children does not know eachother, not really, do not have time for eachother. Bills have to be paied and peoples personal life is that much more important afterall, right?
The system needs to change before you see differences.
Blaming it on guns are stupid, but the gun control needs to be WAY stricter, people keep underestimating how hard it can be to get an illigal firearm, it is not just going out on a street corner. Personal defence weapons certainly don't encompass Assault Rifles. But banning guns? naah, there needs to be a way better psychiatric system in place in the US, even if people whine about the higher taxes it will cost, and alot of those mental issues should exclude you from having firearms, even most of the minor disturbances.
While a gun is a tool (as often brought up) While it is a tool with the sole function of killing (making it vastly different from near all other tools) it is in the end just a tool, it does nothing if the person holding it, has no intentions, in the end it is the person pulling the triger that are the danger, not the gun.
But since this will cost too much money people will gladly sacrifice a a handful of people instead it seems. (This is irony in case it were not clear enough).
Games is even dumber, no studies EVER (atleast not those not funded by lobbies and people who wants a clear result pointing to negative) concluded that violent games makes people more violent, they can make people uncomfortably accustomed to seeing violence, make people more passive. But so the majority of studies (there were 3 or 4 very interresting ones throughout EU where goverments of the different countries had independent studies running on the same time, and they all came to the same conclutions, since they were payied by the goverments, the bias should be less then some privately founded research would).
Sofar, if you play soccer or baseball, drive a car, watch a violent movie or go shopping, you would according to the results be more incliined for violent behavior, (which ofcourse is next to not likely) the results of those studies were that IF people got more violent by games, it would be of such a small amount that it were unmeasurable.
So this is the NRA getting nervous and tryies to shift the blame, that is all.
[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
I would never shoot you gamerwillz.
But if someone did physically attack me then I am allowed to draw and kill them. There was a case a while back where these two scum bags attacked this guy and one of them pushed him on the ground, the guy immeditaely drew his gun and fired some rounds into them. Unfortunately the two scumbags lived but they went to prison, the guy got treated and faced no charges for defending himself.
ShadowMoses900
Ok.
I'd only draw my gun if someone is threatening me with a gun. If someone is threatening me with fists, I'll fight with fists.
It would be unfair to shoot someone unarmed.
But I don't own a gun. I live in a country where gun laws are very tight.
Lol someone attacks me with their fists I'm going to shoot them regardless. Self defense, I don't show mercy towards my agressors. In that case it's kill or be killed.
I agree with you. I actually do not own a gun but if I did and I was being attacked by some random person on the street then it is best to defend yourself. As long as you are not the aggressor in the conflict you have every right to protect yourself.Not really, criminals get guns through the black market. By restricting them from civilians you are just making them easier targets, criminals love strict gun laws because they know that their future victims won't be able to fight back.
ShadowMoses900
You are a fvcking moron and there are no 2 ways about it. This is the mentality that keeps this BS going
[QUOTE="dommeus"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Without a gun you are already in the victim category. You have no power to defend yourself against an attacker.clone01Jesus Christ. It must be horrible where you live. If he's American, as I am, no. Americans just luv der gunz, though!
I think Americans get off on the power they feel having a gun. Like carrying an extra d!ck.
If he's American, as I am, no. Americans just luv der gunz, though![QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="dommeus"] Jesus Christ. It must be horrible where you live.seanmcloughlin
Like carrying an extra d!ck.
Sounds like you are talking from personal experience and self projecting. Hey no one is judging in this day and age if you like to imagine yourself walking around holding another man's junk.[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"][QUOTE="agpickle"]Why delete 80% of my post? My original post said moral balance in general. You also deleted the part I even mentioned violence. You offer me no rebutal, just saying stupid and something about my age. What is wrong with premarital sex? are you a christian, if so I will stop argueing now, because you are a lost cause on this planet, poisoning the well fallacySays the guy that just connected premarital sex to a school shooting.
MBirdy88
[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]
[QUOTE="clone01"] If he's American, as I am, no. Americans just luv der gunz, though!CanYouDiglt
Like carrying an extra d!ck.
Sounds like you are talking from personal experience and self projecting. Hey no one is judging in this day and age if you like to imagine yourself walking around holding another man's junk.You seem to be awfully edgy and provoked easily judging from your posting habits. What I said isn't even close to self projecting, soemone doens't know what that actually is. Actually, you didn't even understand what I said "holding another man's junk" :roll:
If he's American, as I am, no. Americans just luv der gunz, though![QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="dommeus"] Jesus Christ. It must be horrible where you live.seanmcloughlin
I think Americans get off on the power they feel having a gun. Like carrying an extra d!ck.
Power fantasies are horrible and wrong. Stereotyping is A Okay.So lemme get this straight, the top guy at National Rifle Association (Pro Gun Fellas) is blaming video games LOL
Sounds like you are talking from personal experience and self projecting. Hey no one is judging in this day and age if you like to imagine yourself walking around holding another man's junk.[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]
[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]
Like carrying an extra d!ck.
seanmcloughlin
You seem to be awfully edgy and provoked easily judging from your posting habits. What I said isn't even close to self projecting, soemone doens't know what that actually is. Actually, you didn't even understand what I said "holding another man's junk" :roll:
Just saying most people think carrying a gun is about self protection and you think of it as like as you put it "Like carrying an extra d!ck". Like I said that is cool that you like to imagine yourself carrying that no one is judging.[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]
[QUOTE="clone01"] If he's American, as I am, no. Americans just luv der gunz, though!Vaasman
I think Americans get off on the power they feel having a gun. Like carrying an extra d!ck.
Power fantasies are horrible and wrong. Stereotyping is A Okay.Not my fault if the stereotype keeps ringing true. Here we have a horrendous awful killing of children and Americans still don't want to give up their guns. They do what they always do, blame everything but the actual problem. Mental health and gun accessibility
[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]Sounds like you are talking from personal experience and self projecting. Hey no one is judging in this day and age if you like to imagine yourself walking around holding another man's junk.
CanYouDiglt
You seem to be awfully edgy and provoked easily judging from your posting habits. What I said isn't even close to self projecting, soemone doens't know what that actually is. Actually, you didn't even understand what I said "holding another man's junk" :roll:
Just saying most people think carrying a gun is about self protection and you think of it as like as you put it "Like carrying an extra d!ck". Like I said that is cool is you like to imagine yourself carrying that.I said that about Americans and somehow that's a reflection on me? an Irish man?
And what kind of a society is it where you need to have a gun to protect yourself rather than several other non lethal means? Other countries seem to be able to do it just fine, America is the only one with such high gun crime
Did the killer throw games at the kids to kill them? Oh he used guns.... hmmmm....
Guess what a mentally unstable douche bag can want to shoot all the people in the world... but if he can't get the guns to do it, then no one dies.
Guns are banned in South Korea... guess what, you never hear about someone walking into a school and murdering 20 children.
[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]You know whats to blame NRA leader? your country and the fact that the killer didnt even need to leave his own house to get guns. f*** US logic.CanYouDigltDumbass! No seriously you really are a idiot.
CanYouDigIt got mad. LOL!!!
:lol:
Just saying most people think carrying a gun is about self protection and you think of it as like as you put it "Like carrying an extra d!ck". Like I said that is cool is you like to imagine yourself carrying that.[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]
You seem to be awfully edgy and provoked easily judging from your posting habits. What I said isn't even close to self projecting, soemone doens't know what that actually is. Actually, you didn't even understand what I said "holding another man's junk" :roll:
seanmcloughlin
I said that about Americans and somehow that's a reflection on me? an Irish man?
And what kind of a society is it where you need to have a gun to protect yourself rather than several other non lethal means? Other countries seem to be able to do it just fine, America is the only one with such high gun crime
So you think having a gun in your hand is like having a c0ck in your hand and think poorly about America lol[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]
[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]Just saying most people think carrying a gun is about self protection and you think of it as like as you put it "Like carrying an extra d!ck". Like I said that is cool is you like to imagine yourself carrying that.CanYouDiglt
I said that about Americans and somehow that's a reflection on me? an Irish man?
And what kind of a society is it where you need to have a gun to protect yourself rather than several other non lethal means? Other countries seem to be able to do it just fine, America is the only one with such high gun crime
So you think having a gun in your hand is like having a c0ck in your hand and think poorly about America lolNot even remotely close to what I meant by that statement. And I think you're the only one who didn't get it.
Power fantasies are horrible and wrong. Stereotyping is A Okay.[QUOTE="Vaasman"]
[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]
I think Americans get off on the power they feel having a gun. Like carrying an extra d!ck.
seanmcloughlin
Not my fault if the stereotype keeps ringing true. Here we have a horrendous awful killing of children and Americans still don't want to give up their guns. They do what they always do, blame everything but the actual problem. Mental health and gun accessibility
I'm American and do not own a gun and never have had any desire to.I know a lot of people the same way.
I know a lot of other people who do own a gun, who don't use it regularly and would only ever use it out of self-defense.
I actually don't know anyone who uses a gun regularly, and I know a fair number of people.
Therefore the stereotype does not "keep ringing true."
Maybe you should stop blaming gun culture in America and start blaming real issues that affect every country, like mental illness and parental negligence. Because at the end of the day it really doesn't matter what the weapon is, people driven to mass murderer will use bombs or swords or knives or cars if that was what it took.
I mean here's a man who, almost on the same day, in China, using a knife, attacked and seriously injured or killed at least 22 people. A man with a knife in 2010 killed or injured 50 people.
[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]
[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Power fantasies are horrible and wrong. Stereotyping is A Okay.
Vaasman
Not my fault if the stereotype keeps ringing true. Here we have a horrendous awful killing of children and Americans still don't want to give up their guns. They do what they always do, blame everything but the actual problem. Mental health and gun accessibility
I'm American and do not own a gun and never have had any desire to.I know a lot of people the same way.
I know a lot of other people who do own a gun, who don't use it regularly and would only ever use it out of self-defense.
I actually don't know anyone who uses a gun regularly, and I know a fair number of people.
Therefore the stereotype does not "keep ringing true."
Maybe you should stop blaming gun culture in America and start blaming real issues that affect every country, like mental illness and parental negligence. Because at the end of the day it really doesn't matter what the weapon is, people driven to mass murderer will use bombs or swords or knives or cars if that was what it took.
I have been blaming those things too.
Most of the gun nuts in the US are from the south. You gotta understand that in the south they are still bitter about the civil war and there's a culture there that the "south will rise again". They all think that "big government" is gonna come and take away their guns, just the way they took away their slaves back in the day.
Ok and how much of that based on something other than conjecture?Most of the gun nuts in the US are from the south. You gotta understand that in the south they are still bitter about the civil war and there's a culture there that the "south will rise again". They all think that "big government" is gonna come and take away their guns, just the way they took away their slaves back in the day.
Pray_to_me
[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]
[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Power fantasies are horrible and wrong. Stereotyping is A Okay.
Vaasman
Not my fault if the stereotype keeps ringing true. Here we have a horrendous awful killing of children and Americans still don't want to give up their guns. They do what they always do, blame everything but the actual problem. Mental health and gun accessibility
Maybe you should stop blaming gun culture in America and start blaming real issues that affect every country, like mental illness and parental negligence. Because at the end of the day it really doesn't matter what the weapon is, people driven to mass murderer will use bombs or swords or knives or cars if that was what it took.
I mean here's a man who, almost on the same day, in China, using a knife, attacked and seriously injured or killed at least 22 people. A man with a knife in 2010 killed or injured 50 people.
All reports indicate there were no deaths in that attack. Imagine how much worse it could have been if the attacker had a gun. How many people do you think the Connecticut shooter would have been able to kill with only a knife. Also remember most US mass murders are suicide murders, killing yourself with a knife is much harder than with a gun.NRA are nothing but douches. They always wanna blame video games and movies. As far I'm concerned they can go fvck themselves.
Two things and two things only are to blame for the shooting. Our piss poor mental health care system and bad parenting. Neither guns nor games have anything to do with it.AmazonTreeBoa
Seriously? :|
Guns don't have anything to do with it?
Two things and two things only are to blame for the shooting. Our piss poor mental health care system and bad parenting. Neither guns nor games have anything to do with it.AmazonTreeBoaProper gun laws would prevent the ownership of the ar15. Absolutely no reason why anyone should be owning a gun like that. How did the mental health care system fail the people in this situation?
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