NRA condemns games in wake of Connecticut shooting

national reject association.lolnotriggers

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[QUOTE="lolnotriggers"]national reject association.ShadowMoses900

Go away HeeWeeeee.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="lolnotriggers"]national reject association.lolnotriggers

Go away HeeWeeeee.

I agree somewhat, I find the NRA to be necessary however. There are anti-gun peopel who want to ban them, the NRA is a powerful force that stops them from achieving it.

I find Gun Owners of America much more sensible.

[QUOTE="lolnotriggers"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Go away HeeWeeeee.

ShadowMoses900

I agree somewhat, I find the NRA to be necessary however. There are anti-gun peopel who want to ban them, the NRA is a powerful force that stops them from achieving it.

I find Gun Owners of America much more sensible.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I also agree with the NRA's stance that we need security in schools, that is just common sense.

ShadowMoses900

More security I agree with. Putting guns on those people though is not a good idea. Fighting guns with more guns is not the answer

Also weren't the doors locked on the school and the dude shot an entrance into the school?

Security without guns is pointless. I conceal carry, trust me you need a gun to fight back against an attacker with a gun. They target places where there are no guns, schools, hospitals, theaters etc....they know the others are defensless. If people there did have guns the criminals wouldn't do it.

So instead of fighting it at the source you want to deal with it when it happens. Instead of saving people altogether you just want to reduce casualties, that's basically what you're saying.

I'm from ireland and our cops don't carry guns and guns are not easily achieved, and look at our rates for gun violence. Americans have this fascination with keeping guns and having that feeling of power and control. Don't mean to stereotype but that's how the rest of the world sees you all.

So if it's video games why doesn't this happen anywhere near as often everywhere else in the world, oh ya thats right nut jobs don't have easy access to semi automatic weapons.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="lolnotriggers"] These people dont represent gun owners.lolnotriggers

I agree somewhat, I find the NRA to be necessary however. There are anti-gun peopel who want to ban them, the NRA is a powerful force that stops them from achieving it.

I find Gun Owners of America much more sensible.

Shut the fvck up you provoking, annoying cretin and leave

Yea all gamers are like this

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

More security I agree with. Putting guns on those people though is not a good idea. Fighting guns with more guns is not the answer

Also weren't the doors locked on the school and the dude shot an entrance into the school?

seanmcloughlin

Security without guns is pointless. I conceal carry, trust me you need a gun to fight back against an attacker with a gun. They target places where there are no guns, schools, hospitals, theaters etc....they know the others are defensless. If people there did have guns the criminals wouldn't do it.

So instead of fighting it at the source you want to deal with it when it happens. Instead of saving people altogether you just want to reduce casualties, that's basically what you're saying.

I'm from ireland and our cops don't carry guns and guns are not easily achieved, and look at our rates for gun violence. Americans have this fascination with keeping guns and having that feeling of power and control. Don't mean to stereotype but that's how the rest of the world sees you all.

Wanting to ban guns is the same thing as wanting to ban games, it's a scape goat. Why should I be punished? I own multiple fire arms, I have my licsense to carry a handgun with me concealed for protection if I need it, why bother me? "The rest of the world" is not an accurate term, look at Switzerland, most pro gun country on earth. And yet the have one of the lowest crime rates period. How do you explain that?

The US is a different ball game than Ireland. Each state is very different, for instance around the big cities like New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles they have very strict gun laws. But they also have the highest gun crimes. The issue is something bigger, it could be our culture, it could be our morals, perhaps people don't believe in God much anymore, I don't know but it's something.

We do need to do some new gun laws, I will PM you my letter to the president that out lies the gun measures I would like to see implemented. But more secuirty is necessary, especially for the time being. And they need guns, without guns you are powerless. People that do these crimes prey on those who cannot defend themselves.

Wanting to ban guns is the same thing as wanting to ban games, it's a scape goat. Why should I be punished? I own multiple fire arms, I have my licsense to carry a handgun with me concealed for protection if I need it, why bother me? "The rest of the world" is not an accurate term, look at Switzerland, most pro gun country on earth. And yet the have one of the lowest crime rates period. How do you explain that?

ShadowMoses900

A game cannot harm someone accidentally or fall into the hands of someone who would use it to harm others, so how are they the same again?.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Security without guns is pointless. I conceal carry, trust me you need a gun to fight back against an attacker with a gun. They target places where there are no guns, schools, hospitals, theaters etc....they know the others are defensless. If people there did have guns the criminals wouldn't do it.

ShadowMoses900

So instead of fighting it at the source you want to deal with it when it happens. Instead of saving people altogether you just want to reduce casualties, that's basically what you're saying.

I'm from ireland and our cops don't carry guns and guns are not easily achieved, and look at our rates for gun violence. Americans have this fascination with keeping guns and having that feeling of power and control. Don't mean to stereotype but that's how the rest of the world sees you all.

Wanting to ban guns is the same thing as wanting to ban games, it's a scape goat. Why should I be punished? I own multiple fire arms, I have my licsense to carry a handgun with me concealed for protection if I need it, why bother me? "The rest of the world" is not an accurate term, look at Switzerland, most pro gun country on earth. And yet the have one of the lowest crime rates period. How do you explain that?

The US is a different ball game than Ireland. Each state is very different, for instance around the big cities like New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles they have very strict gun laws. But they also have the highest gun crimes. The issue is something bigger, it could be our culture, it could be our morals, perhaps people don't believe in God much anymore, I don't know but it's something.

We do need to do some new gun laws, I will PM you my letter to the president that out lies the gun measures I would like to see implemented. But more secuirty is necessary, especially for the time being. And they need guns, without guns you are powerless. People that do these crimes prey on those who cannot defend themselves.

I'm not saying to ban them, I'm pointing out that fewer guns or restrictive laws on guns is a good thing. We don't have a no gun policy here, just make it harder for someone to get one.

And please don't bring religion into this.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Security without guns is pointless. I conceal carry, trust me you need a gun to fight back against an attacker with a gun. They target places where there are no guns, schools, hospitals, theaters etc....they know the others are defensless. If people there did have guns the criminals wouldn't do it.

ShadowMoses900

So instead of fighting it at the source you want to deal with it when it happens. Instead of saving people altogether you just want to reduce casualties, that's basically what you're saying.

I'm from ireland and our cops don't carry guns and guns are not easily achieved, and look at our rates for gun violence. Americans have this fascination with keeping guns and having that feeling of power and control. Don't mean to stereotype but that's how the rest of the world sees you all.

Wanting to ban guns is the same thing as wanting to ban games, it's a scape goat. Why should I be punished? I own multiple fire arms, I have my licsense to carry a handgun with me concealed for protection if I need it, why bother me? "The rest of the world" is not an accurate term, look at Switzerland, most pro gun country on earth. And yet the have one of the lowest crime rates period. How do you explain that?

The US is a different ball game than Ireland. Each state is very different, for instance around the big cities like New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles they have very strict gun laws. But they also have the highest gun crimes. The issue is something bigger, it could be our culture, it could be our morals, perhaps people don't believe in God much anymore, I don't know but it's something.

We do need to do some new gun laws, I will PM you my letter to the president that out lies the gun measures I would like to see implemented. But more secuirty is necessary, especially for the time being. And they need guns, without guns you are powerless. People that do these crimes prey on those who cannot defend themselves.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

So instead of fighting it at the source you want to deal with it when it happens. Instead of saving people altogether you just want to reduce casualties, that's basically what you're saying.

I'm from ireland and our cops don't carry guns and guns are not easily achieved, and look at our rates for gun violence. Americans have this fascination with keeping guns and having that feeling of power and control. Don't mean to stereotype but that's how the rest of the world sees you all.

MonsieurX

Wanting to ban guns is the same thing as wanting to ban games, it's a scape goat. Why should I be punished? I own multiple fire arms, I have my licsense to carry a handgun with me concealed for protection if I need it, why bother me? "The rest of the world" is not an accurate term, look at Switzerland, most pro gun country on earth. And yet the have one of the lowest crime rates period. How do you explain that?

The US is a different ball game than Ireland. Each state is very different, for instance around the big cities like New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles they have very strict gun laws. But they also have the highest gun crimes. The issue is something bigger, it could be our culture, it could be our morals, perhaps people don't believe in God much anymore, I don't know but it's something.

We do need to do some new gun laws, I will PM you my letter to the president that out lies the gun measures I would like to see implemented. But more secuirty is necessary, especially for the time being. And they need guns, without guns you are powerless. People that do these crimes prey on those who cannot defend themselves.

He keeps bringing up his concealed weapon, which makes me think he enjoys that sense of power on his person all the time.

Using a gun just because someone else might is not a good thing. Carrying around one and be so willing to sue it as your means of defense is a bit dumb. It means you are willing to draw a live firemarm even if the case may not permit such hostile actions, just because you can. No one is "powerless" without a gun

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

So instead of fighting it at the source you want to deal with it when it happens. Instead of saving people altogether you just want to reduce casualties, that's basically what you're saying.

I'm from ireland and our cops don't carry guns and guns are not easily achieved, and look at our rates for gun violence. Americans have this fascination with keeping guns and having that feeling of power and control. Don't mean to stereotype but that's how the rest of the world sees you all.

seanmcloughlin

Wanting to ban guns is the same thing as wanting to ban games, it's a scape goat. Why should I be punished? I own multiple fire arms, I have my licsense to carry a handgun with me concealed for protection if I need it, why bother me? "The rest of the world" is not an accurate term, look at Switzerland, most pro gun country on earth. And yet the have one of the lowest crime rates period. How do you explain that?

The US is a different ball game than Ireland. Each state is very different, for instance around the big cities like New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles they have very strict gun laws. But they also have the highest gun crimes. The issue is something bigger, it could be our culture, it could be our morals, perhaps people don't believe in God much anymore, I don't know but it's something.

We do need to do some new gun laws, I will PM you my letter to the president that out lies the gun measures I would like to see implemented. But more secuirty is necessary, especially for the time being. And they need guns, without guns you are powerless. People that do these crimes prey on those who cannot defend themselves.

I'm not saying to ban them, I'm pointing out that fewer guns or restrictive laws on guns is a good thing. We don't have a no gun policy here, just make it harder for someone to get one.

And please don't bring religion into this.

Not really, criminals get guns through the black market. By restricting them from civilians you are just making them easier targets, criminals love strict gun laws because they know that their future victims won't be able to fight back.

After Dunblane, the UK worked towards banning all handguns within a year of the tragedy.

Suffice to say, nothing of that magnitude has happened since. Well, at least not in a school.

Not really, criminals get guns through the black market. By restricting them from civilians you are just making them easier targets, criminals love strict gun laws because they know that their future victims won't be able to fight back.

ShadowMoses900

So criminals being able to get hold of a gun (through connections in the criminal underworld i presume) is worse than a kid just out of school being able to legally purchase high powered guns and enough ammo to slaughter other kids?.

:roll:

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Wanting to ban guns is the same thing as wanting to ban games, it's a scape goat. Why should I be punished? I own multiple fire arms, I have my licsense to carry a handgun with me concealed for protection if I need it, why bother me? "The rest of the world" is not an accurate term, look at Switzerland, most pro gun country on earth. And yet the have one of the lowest crime rates period. How do you explain that?

The US is a different ball game than Ireland. Each state is very different, for instance around the big cities like New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles they have very strict gun laws. But they also have the highest gun crimes. The issue is something bigger, it could be our culture, it could be our morals, perhaps people don't believe in God much anymore, I don't know but it's something.

We do need to do some new gun laws, I will PM you my letter to the president that out lies the gun measures I would like to see implemented. But more secuirty is necessary, especially for the time being. And they need guns, without guns you are powerless. People that do these crimes prey on those who cannot defend themselves.

seanmcloughlin

He keeps bringing up his concealed weapon, which makes me think he enjoys that sense of power on his person all the time.

Using a gun just because someone else might is not a good thing. Carrying around one and be so willing to sue it as your means of defense is a bit dumb. It means you are willing to draw a live firemarm even if the case may not permit such hostile actions, just because you can. No one is "powerless" without a gun

LMAO no.

You clearly have no experiene with fire arms and you don't know me. I carry for protection, same reason you lock your house at night. I don't draw it out, only allowed to do so in case of an attack, you can't pull it out and wave it around. That get's you arrested.

There are 3 kinds of people, the bad people, the victim, and the survivor. The bad people hurt others, they don't care about how you feel, they just want you to die. Then there are the 2 good people, the victim who chooses not to defend himself or his family and get's killed and trampled over by the bad guy. And there is the survivor, who is willing to kill the bad guy to protect himself and his family. The only difference between the victim and the survivor is one defends himself and the other does not.

Without a gun you are already in the victim category. You have no power to defend yourself against an attacker.

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]You know whats to blame NRA leader? your country and the fact that the killer didnt even need to leave his own house to get guns. f*** US logic.CanYouDiglt

You're the dumbass. I saw you trolling around here with your Mitt Romney sig.

People like you want to blame violence on video games should try and use their brains a little more. Bulletstorm, Mortal Kombat, these games are just as popular in the UK and Japan. You know how many gun related deaths there were in the UK last year? 14. For the US? 9,369.

You have a problem with video games, but the fact that it's easier and cheaper to get an AR-15 than it is to get mental health is no big deal?

Just go take some time to work that derpness out of your mind before you continue spamming gamespot with that polution.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Not really, criminals get guns through the black market. By restricting them from civilians you are just making them easier targets, criminals love strict gun laws because they know that their future victims won't be able to fight back.

Snugenz

So criminals being able to get hold of a gun (through connections in the criminal underworld i presume) is worse than a kid just out of school being able to legally purchase high powered guns and enough ammo to slaughter other kids?.

:roll:

Oh I support some gun control measures, even have come up with some myself. Most gun owners do. Also an AR-15 (which is what he used) is not classified as "high power", it's a "barbie doll" gun and fires smaller caliber rounds.

We need some better gun control laws, no doubt. But banning them is wrong. Mental background checks and putting armed guards in schools is a good first step.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Wanting to ban guns is the same thing as wanting to ban games, it's a scape goat. Why should I be punished? I own multiple fire arms, I have my licsense to carry a handgun with me concealed for protection if I need it, why bother me? "The rest of the world" is not an accurate term, look at Switzerland, most pro gun country on earth. And yet the have one of the lowest crime rates period. How do you explain that?

The US is a different ball game than Ireland. Each state is very different, for instance around the big cities like New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles they have very strict gun laws. But they also have the highest gun crimes. The issue is something bigger, it could be our culture, it could be our morals, perhaps people don't believe in God much anymore, I don't know but it's something.

We do need to do some new gun laws, I will PM you my letter to the president that out lies the gun measures I would like to see implemented. But more secuirty is necessary, especially for the time being. And they need guns, without guns you are powerless. People that do these crimes prey on those who cannot defend themselves.

ShadowMoses900

I'm not saying to ban them, I'm pointing out that fewer guns or restrictive laws on guns is a good thing. We don't have a no gun policy here, just make it harder for someone to get one.

And please don't bring religion into this.

Not really, criminals get guns through the black market. By restricting them from civilians you are just making them easier targets, criminals love strict gun laws because they know that their future victims won't be able to fight back.

Without a gun you are already in the victim category. You have no power to defend yourself against an attacker.ShadowMoses900

And so the onslaught just keeps coming towards video games. Another shooting and another case to blame our beloved hobby.I know a lot of threads similarly have been made but gamers need to be made aware of how much flak the industry is getting

"National Rifle Association vice president Wayne LaPierre says violent video games like Bulletstorm and Mortal Kombat partially to blame for last week's deadly shooting in Connecticut."

I'm getting pretty sick of this crap, they always try to blame everything else except the real cause. They downplay stuff like mental health and go on a vendetta against video games. Seems like they have underlying problems with violence in games and use these tragedies to target gaming.

Source

seanmcloughlin

This is how is goes...

Democrats blame guns, Republicans blame violent video games/movies...

both are wrong. While the NRA was right about the fact that we need guns in the hands of some "good guy" on campuses, their blaming of games is stupid. The liberal blaming of guns is stupid too though. Basically, it is important to understand that listening to either side is foolish, with Lanza type people we are dealing with the mentally ill. Just because they may become motivated to commit mass murder by games or just because they grab some guns to play out their violent fantasy, doesn't mean that we should ban either. There will be no easy solution to the "problem". It certainly won't be legislated away.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] Guns kill people,games don't.ShadowMoses900

He keeps bringing up his concealed weapon, which makes me think he enjoys that sense of power on his person all the time.

Using a gun just because someone else might is not a good thing. Carrying around one and be so willing to sue it as your means of defense is a bit dumb. It means you are willing to draw a live firemarm even if the case may not permit such hostile actions, just because you can. No one is "powerless" without a gun

LMAO no.

You clearly have no experiene with fire arms and you don't know me. I carry for protection, same reason you lock your house at night. I don't draw it out, only allowed to do so in case of an attack, you can't pull it out and wave it around. That get's you arrested.

There are 3 kinds of people, the bad people, the victim, and the survivor. The bad people hurt others, they don't care about how you feel, they just want you to die. Then there are the 2 good people, the victim who chooses not to defend himself or his family and get's killed and trampled over by the bad guy. And there is the survivor, who is willing to kill the bad guy to protect himself and his family. The only difference between the victim and the survivor is one defends himself and the other does not.

Without a gun you are already in the victim category. You have no power to defend yourself against an attacker.

I gotta ask you something - Would you pull a gun on me if I attack you with my fists?

and putting armed guards in schools is a good first step.ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Not really, criminals get guns through the black market. By restricting them from civilians you are just making them easier targets, criminals love strict gun laws because they know that their future victims won't be able to fight back.

ShadowMoses900

So criminals being able to get hold of a gun (through connections in the criminal underworld i presume) is worse than a kid just out of school being able to legally purchase high powered guns and enough ammo to slaughter other kids?.

:roll:

Oh I support some gun control measures, even have come up with some myself. Most gun owners do. Also an AR-15 (which is what he used) is not classified as "high power", it's a "barbie doll" gun and fires smaller caliber rounds.

We need some better gun control laws, no doubt. But banning them is wrong. Mental background checks and putting armed guards in schools is a good first step.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Without a gun you are already in the victim category. You have no power to defend yourself against an attacker.dommeus

Not really, it's not full of criminals or anything, it used to be more dangerous but more people started getting concealed carry and the violent crime stopped. You should actually visit the US first before you misjudge it.

I was wondering when someone would start blaming games again.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

I'm not saying to ban them, I'm pointing out that fewer guns or restrictive laws on guns is a good thing. We don't have a no gun policy here, just make it harder for someone to get one.

And please don't bring religion into this.

MonsieurX

Not really, criminals get guns through the black market. By restricting them from civilians you are just making them easier targets, criminals love strict gun laws because they know that their future victims won't be able to fight back.

We don't have a large underclass caugh up in gang/drug war though. We have Toronto but that is about it.

I bet that legalizing drugs would drastically cut the homicide rate in large cities. Restricting guns from Bob in Montana ain't going to accomplish ****

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

He keeps bringing up his concealed weapon, which makes me think he enjoys that sense of power on his person all the time.

Using a gun just because someone else might is not a good thing. Carrying around one and be so willing to sue it as your means of defense is a bit dumb. It means you are willing to draw a live firemarm even if the case may not permit such hostile actions, just because you can. No one is "powerless" without a gun

GamerwillzPS

LMAO no.

You clearly have no experiene with fire arms and you don't know me. I carry for protection, same reason you lock your house at night. I don't draw it out, only allowed to do so in case of an attack, you can't pull it out and wave it around. That get's you arrested.

There are 3 kinds of people, the bad people, the victim, and the survivor. The bad people hurt others, they don't care about how you feel, they just want you to die. Then there are the 2 good people, the victim who chooses not to defend himself or his family and get's killed and trampled over by the bad guy. And there is the survivor, who is willing to kill the bad guy to protect himself and his family. The only difference between the victim and the survivor is one defends himself and the other does not.

Without a gun you are already in the victim category. You have no power to defend yourself against an attacker.

I gotta ask you something - Would you pull a gun on me if I attack you with my fists?

I would never shoot you gamerwillz.

But if someone did physically attack me then I am allowed to draw and kill them. There was a case a while back where these two scum bags attacked this guy and one of them pushed him on the ground, the guy immeditaely drew his gun and fired some rounds into them. Unfortunately the two scumbags lived but they went to prison, the guy got treated and faced no charges for defending himself.

Stupid video games, always killing people.

When will they stop it ?

R4gn4r0k

You should actually visit the US first before you misjudge it.ShadowMoses900

...and putting armed guards in schools is a good first step.ShadowMoses900

But if someone did physically attack me then I am allowed to draw and kill them.

ShadowMoses900

It entirely depends on the situation. Only in instances where there is concern for serious injury, or potentially death. If it's a simple fist fight, you have no right to kill the individual. This is based off of US self defense laws, which typically change by State. However, that is the most lenient implementation.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]You should actually visit the US first before you misjudge it.dommeus

...and putting armed guards in schools is a good first step.ShadowMoses900

Indeed, the only time we see armed guards here (in Ireland) is when the Army are escorting the money trucks between banks and the treasury. To think of armed guards in schools (particularly elementary schools) is bizarre (and thats putting it lightly).

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

LMAO no.

You clearly have no experiene with fire arms and you don't know me. I carry for protection, same reason you lock your house at night. I don't draw it out, only allowed to do so in case of an attack, you can't pull it out and wave it around. That get's you arrested.

There are 3 kinds of people, the bad people, the victim, and the survivor. The bad people hurt others, they don't care about how you feel, they just want you to die. Then there are the 2 good people, the victim who chooses not to defend himself or his family and get's killed and trampled over by the bad guy. And there is the survivor, who is willing to kill the bad guy to protect himself and his family. The only difference between the victim and the survivor is one defends himself and the other does not.

Without a gun you are already in the victim category. You have no power to defend yourself against an attacker.

ShadowMoses900

I gotta ask you something - Would you pull a gun on me if I attack you with my fists?

I would never shoot you gamerwillz.

But if someone did physically attack me then I am allowed to draw and kill them. There was a case a while back where these two scum bags attacked this guy and one of them pushed him on the ground, the guy immeditaely drew his gun and fired some rounds into them. Unfortunately the two scumbags lived but they went to prison, the guy got treated and faced no charges for defending himself.

Ok.

I'd only draw my gun if someone is threatening me with a gun. If someone is threatening me with fists, I'll fight with fists.

It would be unfair to shoot someone unarmed.

But I don't own a gun. I live in a country where gun laws are very tight.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]You should actually visit the US first before you misjudge it.dommeus

...and putting armed guards in schools is a good first step.ShadowMoses900

It's perfectly fine with me. In Israel they do this, different place I know but they seem just fine. Having armed cops/guards in schools would be a better step, no one would shoot them up anymore. They target places where people can't defend themselves, you will never see a shooting at a gun show for a reason.

Also armed guards would help cut down on bullying, kid is being picked on but now the bullies are afraid because their is a guard on campus who can lay down the law (not with his gun of course).

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

I gotta ask you something - Would you pull a gun on me if I attack you with my fists?

GamerwillzPS

I would never shoot you gamerwillz.

But if someone did physically attack me then I am allowed to draw and kill them. There was a case a while back where these two scum bags attacked this guy and one of them pushed him on the ground, the guy immeditaely drew his gun and fired some rounds into them. Unfortunately the two scumbags lived but they went to prison, the guy got treated and faced no charges for defending himself.

Ok.

I'd only draw my gun if someone is threatening me with a gun. If someone is threatening me with fists, I'll fight with fists.

It would be unfair to shoot someone unarmed.

But I don't own a gun. I live in a country where gun laws are very tight.

Lol someone attacks me with their fists I'm going to shoot them regardless. Self defense, I don't show mercy towards my agressors. In that case it's kill or be killed.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

But if someone did physically attack me then I am allowed to draw and kill them.

lundy86_4

It entirely depends on the situation. Only in instances where there is concern for serious injury, or potentially death. If it's a simple fist fight, you have no right to kill the individual. This is based off of US self defense laws, which typically change by State. However, that is the most lenient implementation.

I know the law, but if someone is assaulting me I'm going to kill them. It is allowed in my state. Look up "Castle Doctrine" every state should adopt this policy IMO, Flordia and Utah have the best models for it.

I have visited your country on more than one occasion. I enjoyed my time there. But you have to try and see this from an outsider's perspective. Armed guards in places of learning. Surely that cannot sit right with you? dommeus

Where I grew up armed guards in schools wasn't just normal, it was expected. I don't know what it's like for the rest of the world but it was never a big deal for us or our parents.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I would never shoot you gamerwillz.

But if someone did physically attack me then I am allowed to draw and kill them. There was a case a while back where these two scum bags attacked this guy and one of them pushed him on the ground, the guy immeditaely drew his gun and fired some rounds into them. Unfortunately the two scumbags lived but they went to prison, the guy got treated and faced no charges for defending himself.

ShadowMoses900

Ok.

I'd only draw my gun if someone is threatening me with a gun. If someone is threatening me with fists, I'll fight with fists.

It would be unfair to shoot someone unarmed.

But I don't own a gun. I live in a country where gun laws are very tight.

Lol someone attacks me with their fists I'm going to shoot them regardless. Self defense, I don't show mercy towards my agressors. In that case it's kill or be killed.

Wow. I think you would be arrested in that case.

Do I agree that games do have the ability to push buttons people have?
Yes absolutely. I believe that they may feed already violent ormalevolent urges that the individual has.

That being said. There's so much behind the scenes things that go on in washington.

I mean lobbiest and other factors at hand.

It's sad to see them blame something on entertainment and art.

A very important question is, why are movies and books being blamed as well.

A book like battle royale can feed ultraviolent tendencies and that goes the same for the hunger games.

But why aren't they being brought up?

It's perfectly fine with me. In Israel they do this, different place I know but they seem just fine. Having armed cops/guards in schools would be a better step, no one would shoot them up anymore. They target places where people can't defend themselves, you will never see a shooting at a gun show for a reason.

Also armed guards would help cut down on bullying, kid is being picked on but now the bullies are afraid because their is a guard on campus who can lay down the law (not with his gun of course).

ShadowMoses900

I know the law, but if someone is assaulting me I'm going to kill them. It is allowed in my state. Look up "Castle Doctrine" every state should adopt this policy IMO, Flordia and Utah have the best models for it.

ShadowMoses900

On what grounds? It's not as simple as "they attacked me", as there are varying degrees of severity. Use of deadly force is not authorized unless you are in serious danger or a potentially life-threatening situation. The Castle Doctrine is strictly limited to one's abode or potentially your vehicle/place of work, which has just been arbitrarily stated by yourself. Self defense in one's home, was not being discussed. Also, the Castle Doctrine strictly stipulates that use of deadly force is permittable only when you are in a potentially life-threatening situation.

If your state has a different definition for the Castle Doctrine, by all means, directly quote it.

I know. Instead of blaming video games, the second ammendment, movies and so on.

Lets blame society, for not having dealt with the gunman's issues before the shooting. Clearly focusing on rehabilitation and mental health care could have done more to prevent this than trying to stop video games or something like that.

Fvck the NRA. They don't know a damn thing about the video game industry or games for that matter.They are the ones to blame. They never brought up gun control in the conference once. They didn't bring up mental health neither. All they do is wanna blame the games industry. Last time I checked the industry has a rating system which list violent games as rated M but they didn't bring that up in their conference once. That's why the ESA came out on their b*tch a**. It's the parents responsibility of what their kids play not the gaming industry.