Nvidia GTX 780 outperforms Titan * Next-gen Consoles are so DEAD

its always nice to spend ~600$ on a gpu and have some games dropping to low 20's fps :lol:silversix_

Why are people still using arkham city as a benchmark, that games Dx11 is an unoptimized piece of crap.

[QUOTE="KillzoneSnake"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

I checked the definition  for "generic linear shooter" in the dictionary and saw KZ SF picture instead :|

jhonMalcovich

lol if you play single player on KZ you doing it wrong. Its all about online. like this...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzhQdOfGLsM

Nah. I will be pretty ok with 64-player online of BF4. 

lol what that has to do with anything? more satisfiying to win a 1v1 than a 32v32. KZ2 is not an instant death noob game.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

Next gen consoles are just so far behind this time.

January 2004 - 22 months before xbox360 release there wasn't a GPU setup that could even come close to the xbox360 performance.
November 2005 - xbox360 released. (still thee is no pc gpu is better than xbox360 gpu)

January 2012 - released a single GPU (HD7970GHz) that performs 2 times better than ps4 GPU. (I don't even gone to compare the xboxOne GPU LOL)
November 2013 - ps4 released. (22 months late and half the performance).

next gen consoles are so irrelevant this time, I don't even know why they are exist.

hexashadow13

7800GTX and x1950pro have similar power rasterization hardware, hence similar performance at less shader bias games. As games shift towards shader compute heavy games, 7800GTX was shown to have inferior shader feature capabilities.

sum it up:

in games from 2005 to 2006
7800GTX = x1950pro = xboxGPU

after that when games start to shift towards heavy compute shader. the 7800GTX just couldn't keep up
x1950pro = xboxGPU

Keep your benchmarks. Consoles have exclusives games, so they will keep existing. I think the majority of gamers look for a great experience overrall rather than some realistic graphics. Look at Blood Dragon the game tries to look dated with all the stripes and ridiculous colors, but as a whole its a bloody great experience specially for someone who likes 80's sci fi movies. The graphics are a minor plus.dantesergei

Well. To have exclusive games, consoles need to sell enough units. I would say some 10M units at least. Otherwise they will have as many exclusives as WiiU:P

Oh you don't know the powah of the optimizationzzzz the consolol have.

lol what that has to do with anything? more satisfiying to win a 1v1 than a 32v32. KZ2 is not an instant death noob game.

KillzoneSnake

xbox will be optimized by the power of KINNEKT :P

I'm sorry but your source of full of crap. The 780GTX has lower specs then the TITAN how can it outperform it ?

its always nice to spend ~600$ on a gpu and have some games dropping to low 20's fps :lol:silversix_

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

I checked the definition  for "generic linear shooter" in the dictionary and saw KZ SF picture instead :|

KillzoneSnake

lol if you play single player on KZ you doing it wrong. Its all about online. like this...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzhQdOfGLsM

[QUOTE="stvee101"]

Number of games that will take full advantage of this  card: Nil.

Quad4Life

I'm sorry you limit your self with lower end graphics settings.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="KillzoneSnake"]

lol if you play single player on KZ you doing it wrong. Its all about online. like this...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzhQdOfGLsM

KillzoneSnake

Nah. I will be pretty ok with 64-player online of BF4. 

lol what that has to do with anything? more satisfiying to win a 1v1 than a 32v32. KZ2 is not an instant death noob game.

it's only instant death noob game, if you're a noob

I'd rather get a  GTX 660 which is $200-$260, spending over $350 let alone $649 for a GC is just too pricey.

Ballroompirate

[QUOTE="stvee101"]

Number of games that will take full advantage of this  card: Nil.

jhonMalcovich

Star Citizen says HI.

Pretty sure Star Citizen only needs a 660 to be on high. A 780, titan and 800 series (if they come out before the game) would be almost overkill for the game, going from what the devs have been saying a 660,670 and 680 should run Star Citizen pretty damn well.

I'm sorry but your source of full of crap. The 780GTX has lower specs then the TITAN how can it outperform it ?

Bebi_vegeta

You should check only low and average fps in the benchmarks because only those are real performance indicators.

And according to Gamespots´s benchmarks

GTX780 ourperformed Titan in

Metro Last Light

Batman Archam City 

Tomb Raider

Titan ourperformed GTX780 by a very low margin in

Bioshock Infinite

Battlefield 3

And almost had a draw in Crysis 3.

I didn´t say it outperforms in all benchmarks :D

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="stvee101"]

Number of games that will take full advantage of this  card: Nil.

Ballroompirate

Star Citizen says HI.

Pretty sure Star Citizen only needs a 660 to be on high. A 780, titan and 800 series (if they come out before the game) would be almost overkill for the game, going from what the devs have been saying a 660,670 and 680 should run Star Citizen pretty damn well.

but a 780 will run it better, especially if you run at above 1080

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

I'm sorry but your source of full of crap. The 780GTX has lower specs then the TITAN how can it outperform it ?

jhonMalcovich

You should check only low and average fps in the benchmarks because only those are real performance indicators.

And according to Gamespots´s benchmarks

GTX780 ourperformed Titan in

Metro Last Light

Batman Archam City 

Tomb Raider

Titan ourperformed GTX780 by a very low margin in

Bioshock Infinite

Battlefield 3

And almost had a draw in Crysis 3.

I didn´t say it outperforms in all benchmarks :D

already pointed out that other hardware review sites contradict this, but the 780 is within 10% of the titan 

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

I'd rather get a  GTX 660 which is $200-$260, spending over $350 let alone $649 for a GC is just too pricey.

2ndWonder

The "high end" 660's are around $260, the normal 660's are $200, I'd look into other GC's brands  but I'm a Nvidia user :P

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="stvee101"]

Number of games that will take full advantage of this  card: Nil.

Ballroompirate

Star Citizen says HI.

Pretty sure Star Citizen only needs a 660 to be on high. A 780, titan and 800 series (if they come out before the game) would be almost overkill for the game, going from what the devs have been saying a 660,670 and 680 should run Star Citizen pretty damn well.

Probably. Last time I checked 670 was a recommended GPU. But anyway, I think you will need something more powerwul than 670 to max it. 

With 660 you will be good at 1080p and medium/high settings.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

I'm sorry but your source of full of crap. The 780GTX has lower specs then the TITAN how can it outperform it ?

jhonMalcovich

You should check only low and average fps in the benchmarks because only those are real performance indicators.

And according to Gamespots´s benchmarks

GTX780 ourperformed Titan in

Metro Last Light

Batman Archam City 

Tomb Raider

Titan ourperformed GTX780 by a very low margin in

Bioshock Infinite

Battlefield 3

And almost had a draw in Crysis 3.

I didn´t say it outperforms in all benchmarks :D

Again explain to me how this is possible, its the same card but titan has more of everthing... Go to a real review.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

I'm sorry but your source of full of crap. The 780GTX has lower specs then the TITAN how can it outperform it ?

Bebi_vegeta

You should check only low and average fps in the benchmarks because only those are real performance indicators.

And according to Gamespots´s benchmarks

GTX780 ourperformed Titan in

Metro Last Light

Batman Archam City 

Tomb Raider

Titan ourperformed GTX780 by a very low margin in

Bioshock Infinite

Battlefield 3

And almost had a draw in Crysis 3.

I didn´t say it outperforms in all benchmarks :D

Again explain to me how this is possible, its the same card but titan has more of everthing... Go to a real review.

 GTX TitanGTX 780GTX 680GTX 580Stream Processors268823041536512Texture Units22419212864ROPs48483248Core Clock837MHz863MHz1006MHz772MHzShader ClockN/AN/AN/A1544MHzBoost Clock876Mhz900Mhz1058MHzN/AMemory Clock6GHz GDDR56GHz GDDR56GHz GDDR54GHz GDDR5Memory Bus Width384-bit384-bit256-bit384-bitVRAM6GB3GB2GB1.5GBFP641/3 FP321/24 FP321/24 FP321/8 FP32TDP250W250W195W244WTransistor Count7.1B7.1B3.5B3BManufacturing ProcessTSMC 28nmTSMC 28nmTSMC 28nmTSMC 40nmLaunch Price$999$649$499$499

It´s called optimization. I checked several sources and there are certain games in which GTX780 outperforms Titan. Why are you so angry ? Have you bought Titan recently ?

[QUOTE="2ndWonder"][QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

I'd rather get a  GTX 660 which is $200-$260, spending over $350 let alone $649 for a GC is just too pricey.

Ballroompirate

The "high end" 660's are around $260, the normal 660's are $200, I'd look into other GC's brands  but I'm a Nvidia user :P

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Star Citizen says HI.

lostrib

Pretty sure Star Citizen only needs a 660 to be on high. A 780, titan and 800 series (if they come out before the game) would be almost overkill for the game, going from what the devs have been saying a 660,670 and 680 should run Star Citizen pretty damn well.

but a 780 will run it better, especially if you run at above 1080

True, but most people with 660,670 or 680 could still run SC pretty well compared to people who actually need to upgrade a GC, as someone who is about to upgrade their GC (hopefully in the next year) I'd rather just spend the $360 ish dollars and get a 670 which is still a beastly GC, I could save $300 and put it towards something else like a new processor,bigger monitor or a newer/less lame tower (I have a lame tower).

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

You should check only low and average fps in the benchmarks because only those are real performance indicators.

And according to Gamespots´s benchmarks

GTX780 ourperformed Titan in

Metro Last Light

Batman Archam City 

Tomb Raider

 

Titan ourperformed GTX780 by a very low margin in

Bioshock Infinite

Battlefield 3

 

And almost had a draw in Crysis 3.

I didn´t say it outperforms in all benchmarks :D

jhonMalcovich

Again explain to me how this is possible, its the same card but titan has more of everthing... Go to a real review.

 GTX TitanGTX 780GTX 680GTX 580Stream Processors268823041536512Texture Units22419212864ROPs48483248Core Clock837MHz863MHz1006MHz772MHzShader ClockN/AN/AN/A1544MHzBoost Clock876Mhz900Mhz1058MHzN/AMemory Clock6GHz GDDR56GHz GDDR56GHz GDDR54GHz GDDR5Memory Bus Width384-bit384-bit256-bit384-bitVRAM6GB3GB2GB1.5GBFP641/3 FP321/24 FP321/24 FP321/8 FP32TDP250W250W195W244WTransistor Count7.1B7.1B3.5B3BManufacturing ProcessTSMC 28nmTSMC 28nmTSMC 28nmTSMC 40nmLaunch Price$999$649$499$499

It´s called optimization. I checked several sources and there are certain games in which GTX780 outperforms Titan. Why are you so angry. Have you bought Titan recently ?

What optimization, it's the same card... And not mad, but I won't stand to ignorance being spread like it was the truth...

Go read a bit...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6973/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-review

Obsolete in a couple of months.

Obsolete in a couple of months.

Mr_BillGates

Define obsolete ?

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

[QUOTE="2ndWonder"] my 7870 (which I just got) was only $2002ndWonder

The "high end" 660's are around $260, the normal 660's are $200, I'd look into other GC's brands  but I'm a Nvidia user :P

I have two friends who have a 660 and one with a 670 so I kinda have a hands on look at what they can do w/e I go to their house and watch Twitch on their TV while they play videogames, I don't know what makes me like a 660 so much, it might have to do with when I was watching a friend play BF3 and the game looked so damn good looking with the 660. If I got a 660 now or equivalent I would be set for a GC for a good 5-6 years cause it would provide what I want while I game on my PC.

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

I'd rather get a  GTX 660 which is $200-$260, spending over $350 let alone $649 for a GC is just too pricey.

2ndWonder

Obsolete in a couple of months.

Mr_BillGates

Well, at least it'll spend a few months in the spotlight... unlike the consoles which are obsolete before the actual release! ;)

I'm in the market for a new card, but if your graphics card cost more than your entire console you would hope it would be pretty damn powerful.

[QUOTE="2ndWonder"][QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

I'd rather get a  GTX 660 which is $200-$260, spending over $350 let alone $649 for a GC is just too pricey.

Jandurin

Lol casual!

still hanging on to my 570 for a while, it's still eating up all games

Obsolete in a couple of months.

Mr_BillGates

by your logic ps4 is prehistoric.

nice to see your lame attacks to backfire on you :cool:

still hanging on to my 570 for a while, it's still eating up all games

wis3boi

Wow, you must run out of games fast 

still hanging on to my 570 for a while, it's still eating up all games

wis3boi

my 550 beats up your 570........ok I lied....I hate my 550

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Again explain to me how this is possible, its the same card but titan has more of everthing... Go to a real review.

 

 GTX TitanGTX 780GTX 680GTX 580Stream Processors268823041536512Texture Units22419212864ROPs48483248Core Clock837MHz863MHz1006MHz772MHzShader ClockN/AN/AN/A1544MHzBoost Clock876Mhz900Mhz1058MHzN/AMemory Clock6GHz GDDR56GHz GDDR56GHz GDDR54GHz GDDR5Memory Bus Width384-bit384-bit256-bit384-bitVRAM6GB3GB2GB1.5GBFP641/3 FP321/24 FP321/24 FP321/8 FP32TDP250W250W195W244WTransistor Count7.1B7.1B3.5B3BManufacturing ProcessTSMC 28nmTSMC 28nmTSMC 28nmTSMC 40nmLaunch Price$999$649$499$499Bebi_vegeta

It´s called optimization. I checked several sources and there are certain games in which GTX780 outperforms Titan. Why are you so angry. Have you bought Titan recently ?

What optimization, it's the same card... And not mad, but I won't stand to ignorance being spread like it was the truth...

Go read a bit...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6973/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-review

They made a few optimization to the GK110 chip Titan is based on and slightly  increased core clock to 900Mhz. I don´t like anandtech benchmark because it doesn´t show the lowest fps. 

But if you check Tomshardware review. for example,  it´s notciable that the red line dominates the black line.

Or this one

I'm in the market for a new card, but if your graphics card cost more than your entire console you would hope it would be pretty damn powerful.

R3FURBISHED

Well, it is pretty damn powerful... if you're playing on 1080p, it's an overkill.

If you're playing at resolutions above 1080p, you'll have a very pleasant gaming experience. Honestly, I'm tempted to get one for myself, plus a solid 1440p monitor... but that'd be costly. Think I'll settle for a bit of waiting before making that jump.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

It´s called optimization. I checked several sources and there are certain games in which GTX780 outperforms Titan. Why are you so angry. Have you bought Titan recently ?

jhonMalcovich

What optimization, it's the same card... And not mad, but I won't stand to ignorance being spread like it was the truth...

Go read a bit...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6973/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-review

They made a few optimization to the GK110 chip Titan is based on and slightly  increased core clock to 900Mhz. I don´t like anandtech benchmark because it doesn´t show the lowest fps. 

But if you check Tomshardware review. for example,  it´s notciable that the red line dominates the black line.

And then you can watch the black line beat the red line in crysis 3, bf3, bioshock infinite, tomb raider

Did it ever occur to consolites that people buy these parts because there enthusiasts? That maybe pc gamers enjoy working/building/upgrading pc's as a hobby? Half of the enjoyment of owning a gaming pc IS the pc itself. Something no consolite will ever understand. I built my gaming experience with my two hands. And that's a very comforting thought. Motokid6

Unfortunately our console only brethren cannot comprehend this aspect of PC gaming. It all comes down to what someone prefers or what they believe is needed. I prefer an Aberdeen Angus fillet steak but many more would rather settle for a rump steak from a random super market shelf because it's easy and conventient.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

 

What optimization, it's the same card... And not mad, but I won't stand to ignorance being spread like it was the truth...

 

Go read a bit...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6973/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-review

lostrib

They made a few optimization to the GK110 chip Titan is based on and slightly  increased core clock to 900Mhz. I don´t like anandtech benchmark because it doesn´t show the lowest fps. 

But if you check Tomshardware review. for example,  it´s notciable that the red line dominates the black line.

And then you can watch the black line beat the red line in crysis 3, bf3, bioshock infinite, tomb raider

Yes. But Frame Time Variance is always better on GTX780, which means higher values for the lowest fps. And the lowest fps is very important because it musn´t fall under 30 fps, otherwise the gamer will notice it.

God dam I'm going to be broke. A 780 AND a PS4. I better start working some more hours!clyde46

When in doubt, sell a kidney,child or gf.

its always nice to spend ~600$ on a gpu and have some games dropping to low 20's fps :lol:silversix_

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

They made a few optimization to the GK110 chip Titan is based on and slightly  increased core clock to 900Mhz. I don´t like anandtech benchmark because it doesn´t show the lowest fps. 

But if you check Tomshardware review. for example,  it´s notciable that the red line dominates the black line.

jhonMalcovich

And then you can watch the black line beat the red line in crysis 3, bf3, bioshock infinite, tomb raider

Yes. But Frame Time Variance is always better on GTX780, which means higher values for the lowest fps. And the lowest fps is very important because it musn´t fall under 30 fps, otherwise the gamer will notice it.

Well that's not even true. and stop changing the goal posts, first it was min and avg fps, now it's frame time variance

[QUOTE="silversix_"]its always nice to spend ~600$ on a gpu and have some games dropping to low 20's fps :lol:I_can_haz

but it doesn't suck